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Dr416h7hHey everyone03:27
ImagusXXIIHey03:39
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Dr416h7hSorry, how are you Imagus22?03:59
Unit193Dr416h7h: Imagus22 disconnected04:00
Dr416h7hno problem... how are you Unit?04:00
Unit193Fine! just added a 1G stick and a DVD drive into this oldish Xubuntu comp!04:01
Dr416h7hcool, I hope they work well for ya04:01
Dr416h7hHow long have you been running Xubuntu?04:02
Unit193On this box? not long...04:02
Unit193(IIRC this is a support channel and they don't like it when we talk non-support  :/)04:03
Dr416h7hunderstood... well good thing is that I do have a support question.04:03
Unit193I'll do my best to answer! (there is also #xubuntu-offtopic)04:08
Myronhello04:08
MyronI have a question04:08
Unit193!ask04:09
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)04:09
Dr416h7hSorry I was working on the post but accidently pasted a butch of other into... so starting over.....04:10
Dr416h7hoh... what is your question?04:10
Myronis there a way I can move my /home folders to a spare hard drive04:11
Myronright now, I have everything on 1 80gb hard drive,04:11
Dr416h7hwith me... my desktop icons/background/right click the desktop do not work. I did have missing titlebars and window decorations but got those back by running 'xfwm4'.04:11
Myronhowever, is there a way to move just the /home files to the spare 500gb harddrive that I have ?04:12
Dr416h7h@Myron, you can save off you info and reinstall and make another partition on another drive.04:12
Dr416h7hif you do not want to reinstall you can...04:12
Myronyeah without reinstalling would be preferrable04:12
Dr416h7hlogin as root, move the /home folder to the spare drive, and then make a symbolic link to that folder04:12
MyronI know I can do this at the point of reinstallation,04:12
Unit193!home | Myron04:13
ubottuMyron: Your home directory is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For moving your home directory to a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome04:13
Myronhow do I make a symbolic link ?04:13
Dr416h7hThat link is very detailed... and can provide other info to some unforseen issues/questions you might have04:14
Dr416h7hfor me... I simply copied my folder to another partition and then made a link and logged back in.04:15
Dr416h7hI also keep my same profile during reinstalls and as long as I have my apps installed... everything works out great04:15
Dr416h7hYou can also follow this tut on symbolic links: http://www.nixtutor.com/freebsd/understanding-symbolic-links/04:19
Unit193Myron: To answer your question of symlink: ln04:19
lightahey guys, what's wrong with this cli ? rsync -r --exclude .svn ../lof_v2 ./04:21
lighta I don't feel any recursive here :(04:21
* Unit193 doesn't use rsync, so could only say !rsync and manpage...04:21
MyronI am thinking of just reinstalling,04:22
lightayeah I found it ok I should do ../lof_v2/ otherwise not work :( damnn ! xd04:22
Myronbecause the graphx drivers aren'04:22
Myront working that well with ubuntu 9.1004:22
Unit193Myron: you going with 10.10 then release upgrade?04:23
MyronUnit193, I am thinking of just installing this Xubuntu 10.10 disc that I have, once the harddrive is backed up.04:24
Myronnot sure if it will make or break my video card drivers though04:24
Myronthe jockey tool that detects drivers is working04:25
Myronand says I am running the Nvidia drivers,04:25
Myronhowever, I think that the graphics card is not good enough to drive this monstrous 27" screen04:25
Myron24"04:26
Myronbecause when I move windows around, they lag, even though the drivers are installed04:26
MyronUnit193, this is the card I have:    nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)] (rev a1)04:28
Myroncrappy ?04:28
Dr416h7hAlong with my question here I've gone ahead and posted on ubuntuforums.org where I've posted my ~/.xsesson-errors: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10639295#post10639295A:04:29
Dr416h7hAnyone have any ideas why the icons/background/right clicking would be missing/unable to be used? The "Allow XFCE to manage desktop" cannot be found in the XFCE Settings Manager.04:34
Unit193Dr416h7h: I was waiting for someone that knows how to answer your question to show up04:37
Unit193Myron: I think you could boot a LiveCD and use the tool to get drivers for that (to check how well they work)04:38
Myronwhat is direct rendering, I am looking at a tool right now to display my computer's hardware and information04:40
Myronand it says direct rendering, none04:41
Myronsorry, Direct Rendering: NO04:41
Myroncould that be why the windows are laggy when I move them around ect.. ?04:41
Unit193What program?04:42
Myronhardinfo04:42
Myronsystem profilers and benchmark tool04:43
Myronsudo apt-get install hardinfo04:43
Myronits in the OpenGL section..04:43
Unit193Same for me04:46
Unit193Myron: System > Additional Drivers04:47
MyronUnit193, yeah, system->additional drivers works04:47
MyronI installed the drivers through that program04:48
Myronits called gtkjockey, infact.04:48
Myronhowever,04:48
MyronI think its the graphics card itself,04:48
Myronbecause I am trying to drive a 1920 x 1200 24" display,04:48
Unit193On 9.*?04:48
Myronyes04:48
Myron9.1004:48
Myronit works like 80% I would say,04:49
MyronI see a slight flicker once in a while04:49
Myronand when I move windows around they seem to lag04:49
Myronand, another example is this xchat program I am using04:49
MyronI have the background for this program set to transparent, so the wallpaper on the desktop is showing through04:50
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Myronwhen I move the xchat window around, the transparent area lags04:50
Myronmaybe I should install compiz fusion ?04:50
MyronI really don';t think that will fix anything though04:52
Myronits probablly just this crappy gfx card04:53
MyronUnit193, this is the card I have:    nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)] (rev a1)04:53
MyronUnit193, so what do you think ?04:54
Myronnew card, or install ubuntu 10.10 ?04:54
Unit193LiveCD 10.1004:55
Myrontry it out..04:56
* Unit193 uses a built-in Optiplex GX 260 card04:56
Myronyeah I will do04:56
Unit193Myron: Tell me how it goes?05:18
Unit193popman: Are you in Ohio?05:23
popmanyes I am05:23
popmanwhy do you ask?05:23
Unit193Did you know Ubuntu has an Ohio LoCo?05:24
popmannope05:24
popmanwhat is that?05:24
Unit193!loco05:24
ubottuInformation on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams05:24
popmano wow05:25
popmanlol05:25
MyronUnit193, hey05:42
Myronjust waiting for 15000 files to copy off the 500gb HD05:42
Myronso I can install Xubuntu 10.10 to it05:42
Myronbut transfering from IDE to Sata is a SLOOOOOW process05:42
NetrixWhat is the best way to remove Linux images that I have but do not show up in the Synaptic Package Manager?06:18
Unit193Does "sudo apt-get autoremove" help? (doesn't always work for me :/ )06:19
NetrixNope06:20
NetrixFor instance, it says I have 2.6.35-25-generic, but when I try to boot it, there are all sorts of things that cannot be found and it forces me to use the low-res graphics driver.06:24
NetrixIt can't find /fb0 and several other things. It seems like a messed up image so I just want to remove it.06:25
Unit193http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/proper-way-to-remove-old-linux-kernels/ <--- helps06:25
NetrixAn idea that I have is to install it through the package manager and see if it makes it work, if not, uninstall it and hope it removes the junk.06:26
Unit193sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic06:26
Unit193^^ Be VERY careful when you mess with kernel images!06:27
NetrixWell, it is actually a newer version, but I guess it should still apply.06:27
NetrixIt says it is not installed.06:28
Netrix/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-25-generic and /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-25-generic are present though... Should I just delete them?06:29
Unit193Check the link up ^^06:31
gardeniahello good day. I have been wondering why I couldn't copy files my xubuntu to another partition D: since I have double booting. Is there a way around this? I have used catfish but it wouldn't fetch files from there. Previously it did but now it just won't open to it.06:34
NetrixI checked the link. It does not show the version I am trying to remove and when I try to remove it anyway, it says it is not installed.06:36
NetrixWhat filesystem is the other partition?06:36
Unit193Netrix: dpkg --list 'linux-image*'06:36
NetrixI did that.06:37
NetrixI could show you the output if you want.06:37
Unit193!pastebin06:37
ubottuFor posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.06:37
Netrixhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/589550/06:39
Unit193You don't want to uninstall that, it's your only one!06:40
Unit193Can you "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?06:41
NetrixThe one listed, yes. That is not 2.6.35-25-generic, which has files in /boot.06:42
NetrixI just did it. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."06:42
gardeniaGood day. I have a file in xubuntu's My Documents which I would like to cut and paste into windows drive D: In ubuntu it's easy. All I have to do is cut and paste but in xubuntu, can't this be done?06:43
Unit193Netrix: Dang... I would *guess*(!) you could just remove them if it's not installed...06:43
NetrixNormally I probably would have just done that, except I was trying to do it the 'right' way.06:44
NetrixI don't know what causes Linux to explode and such, but it should be safe since they aren't used by the kernel that I am using right now.06:46
Unit193Netrix: I seem to be the only idiot on right now... but I would agree06:46
Unit193gardenia: Does gigolo (system > gigolo) find it? (I don't remember if gigolo does local HDDs06:46
Netrixgardenia, I just tried it with Thudar and it worked fine.06:48
Unit193Netrix: Thanks for reminding me to look that up! (just freed 300+ MB on my low spec system)06:48
NetrixThanks for the help.06:49
Unit193Sorry I couldn't help anymore!06:49
NetrixOne last question: Are the two files in /boot the only files for Linux images?06:50
NetrixWell, I mean the real data of the kernels.06:51
Unit193initrd and vmlinuz?06:51
NetrixYeah. They seem to be the biggest.06:52
NetrixI am just curious because I am a programmer, but fairly new to how Linux does stuff.06:52
Unit193I think it's just what's in /boot06:52
NetrixOh. I see now that the size reported for the current image is 128 MB, so that answers my question.06:54
gardeniaThanks netrix07:23
Unit193How did you get it?07:24
gardeniais it really thudar?07:27
Unit193thunar07:28
gardeniaI can not see my drive d using thunar. Any other app that might do that?07:31
Unit193It won't say "drive D:"07:32
Unit193Can you give me a pastebin of "mount"?07:33
Unit193In terminal type "mount -l"07:34
gardeniacan i paste it here?07:37
Unit193pastebin please07:37
gardenia/dev/sdb1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)07:37
gardeniaproc on /proc type proc (rw)07:37
gardenianone on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)07:37
gardenianone on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)07:37
gardenianone on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)07:37
gardenianone on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)07:37
gardeniaudev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)07:37
gardenianone on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)07:37
gardenianone on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)07:37
gardenianone on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)07:37
gardenianone on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)07:38
gardenianone on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)07:38
gardeniabinfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)07:38
Unit193gardenia: Type "sudo fdisk -l" then put that into pastebin at paste.ubuntu.com07:44
gardeniaok.07:47
gardeniahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/589559/            sorry i dont know how to use pastebin a while ago. thanks for the info07:49
Unit193This should do it: sudo mkdir /media/win && sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/win07:51
gardeniathanks unit193.07:52
Unit193You may want to come back later when smarter people are here and can tell you the best way to do it!07:52
Unit193No problem!@07:53
gardeniayou're a life saver unit193. It works!07:53
Unit193Sorry it took so long :)07:55
SjorsHi08:09
SjorsThere's this server here, which is supposed to play music and display a graphical screen with what music is playing at the moment08:09
Sjorsfor some reason, someone put Xubuntu on that machine, even though it doesn't normally contain any other GUI other than X and the GUI08:09
Sjorsso I tried configuring it to start the GUI automatically (as the 'marietjed' user, not root)08:10
Sjorshowever, even if I disable gdm to start at boot, an X window server comes up with the login screen, in gdm08:10
gardeniathanks08:11
Sjorsfirst question: does any of you know why that is, and how I can disable that login window?08:11
Sjorscurrently I have fixed it with a workaround, which involves killing gdm 10 seconds after boot08:12
Sjorsbut then the splash screen stays around, for some weird reason08:14
Unit193I don't know if you can just remove gdm or not...08:14
SjorsI think if I remove gdm, most of gnome will be removed, and I need gnome stuff for the 'normal' graphical display, even if it's only mouse cursors08:15
Unit193You could use an auto login08:16
Unit193I would wait for tomorrow when this channel has more buzz too...08:20
ochosiSjors: if you remove gdm you will only lose a metapackage (xubuntu-desktop) and the xubuntu-gdm-theme package and the xfswitch-plugin08:48
ochosiSjors: you can always start your session with "startx" from tty08:48
Sjorsochosi: I should try that, thanks :)08:49
ochosinp08:50
knomesigue, please do something about your connection, or i'll have to banforward you again11:29
fixxxermetHey everyone.  I have a dual-monitor setup (not cloned).  I want to rotate the left monitor only 90 degrees.  Tips?12:26
Sysiarandr if you don't have propietary driver12:34
fixxxermetSysi: That works, but it turns both monitors 9012:36
Sysihum, you maybe need to use xrandr directly then12:37
ThinkT510is xubuntu 10.04 LTS or does LTS only apply to ubuntu (gnome) release?13:10
Sysiit is LTS13:10
ThinkT510awesome, thanks13:10
Sysisame repositories for packages13:10
AquinaWhen *exactly* comes the day on which hardy gets abandonned?13:37
Sysi!8.0413:38
ubottuUbuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.13:38
Sysihrm13:38
AquinaYeah thanks, but Canonical's official site states "April 2011". Do you know on which day, Sysi?13:43
knomeAquina, i suppose it's near the end13:48
knomeAquina, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule13:48
knomeoh right13:49
knomethat13:49
knomei suppose that's also near the end13:49
knomeAquina, looking from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, they all are EOL mid- or end-month13:50
AquinaSo I can assume the package upgrades distribution for 8.04 HH will come to a halt on Apr., 28 2011?14:10
knomeAquina, don't count on it, but yes, during this month.14:11
Aquina(Which is also the day when 11.04 NN will be released)14:11
Aquinaok, thx14:11
knomei suppose it depends if there is *very* important fixes in the end-month14:11
knomeif there is, i'm sure canonical wants to push them in14:11
knomeif not, then the last updates might be earlier14:12
AquinaWe run some of these systems. We have everythin in place for upgrades already. :-)14:12
knomemm-hmm14:13
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likemindeadHalp? This morning's updates borked my Natty install. It loads to the login screen & freezes up. D:15:43
ochosigood to know, then i'll wait with installing updates in my natty :)15:44
ochosino seriously, kernel freeze or what?15:45
knomelol15:45
likemindeadNot sure. It even froze up when I tried to boot into recovery mode. :-\15:45
likemindeadThat's especially bad, isn't it?15:45
ochosiwas it recovery mode with xserver or without?15:46
likemindeadI held shift during boot, chose the recovery mode option in the GRUB menu, & it froze up a few seconds later.15:46
likemindeadDidn't see any errors or anything.15:46
ochosithat's a drag15:47
ochosiso when you boot normally you can't switch to any other tty anymore after gdm freezes?15:47
likemindeadRight. Tried to do that too. To no avail. :(15:47
ochosihm, yeah, that sounds pretty borked then15:48
ochosinot sure there's much you can do, apart from booting a live-system (or another os, if you have one installed) and chroot from there and install updates/upgrades with the hope that they fix the issue15:48
likemindeadHow do I go about that?15:49
ochosiactually i think live-system would be a bit safer for chroot-ing15:49
likemindeadDo tell?15:49
ochosiwell, i could describe it here, but i assume it's better you get a good tutorial15:49
ochosiit's been some time that i had to do that15:50
likemindeadOkay. I'll look it up.15:50
ochosiit's just a few basic commands though15:50
ochosinothing yuo won't manage15:50
likemindeadhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/589730/16:13
likemindeadHmm...16:13
ochosilikemindead: mount works differently16:14
ochosilikemindead: sudo mount /dev/sda2 $mountpoint16:15
ochosilikemindead: where $mountpoint is e.g. /mnt/sda2 (be sure to "sudo mkdir /mnt/sda2" beforehands)16:15
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