[03:27] <Dr416h7h> Hey everyone
[03:39] <ImagusXXII> Hey
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[03:59] <Dr416h7h> Sorry, how are you Imagus22?
[04:00] <Unit193> Dr416h7h: Imagus22 disconnected
[04:00] <Dr416h7h> no problem... how are you Unit?
[04:01] <Unit193> Fine! just added a 1G stick and a DVD drive into this oldish Xubuntu comp!
[04:01] <Dr416h7h> cool, I hope they work well for ya
[04:02] <Dr416h7h> How long have you been running Xubuntu?
[04:02] <Unit193> On this box? not long...
[04:03] <Unit193> (IIRC this is a support channel and they don't like it when we talk non-support  :/)
[04:03] <Dr416h7h> understood... well good thing is that I do have a support question.
[04:08] <Unit193> I'll do my best to answer! (there is also #xubuntu-offtopic)
[04:08] <Myron> hello
[04:08] <Myron> I have a question
[04:09] <Unit193> !ask
[04:09] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:10] <Dr416h7h> Sorry I was working on the post but accidently pasted a butch of other into... so starting over.....
[04:10] <Dr416h7h> oh... what is your question?
[04:11] <Myron> is there a way I can move my /home folders to a spare hard drive
[04:11] <Myron> right now, I have everything on 1 80gb hard drive,
[04:11] <Dr416h7h> with me... my desktop icons/background/right click the desktop do not work. I did have missing titlebars and window decorations but got those back by running 'xfwm4'.
[04:12] <Myron> however, is there a way to move just the /home files to the spare 500gb harddrive that I have ?
[04:12] <Dr416h7h> @Myron, you can save off you info and reinstall and make another partition on another drive.
[04:12] <Dr416h7h> if you do not want to reinstall you can...
[04:12] <Myron> yeah without reinstalling would be preferrable
[04:12] <Dr416h7h> login as root, move the /home folder to the spare drive, and then make a symbolic link to that folder
[04:12] <Myron> I know I can do this at the point of reinstallation,
[04:13] <Unit193> !home | Myron
[04:13] <ubottu> Myron: Your home directory is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For moving your home directory to a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[04:13] <Myron> how do I make a symbolic link ?
[04:14] <Dr416h7h> That link is very detailed... and can provide other info to some unforseen issues/questions you might have
[04:15] <Dr416h7h> for me... I simply copied my folder to another partition and then made a link and logged back in.
[04:15] <Dr416h7h> I also keep my same profile during reinstalls and as long as I have my apps installed... everything works out great
[04:19] <Dr416h7h> You can also follow this tut on symbolic links: http://www.nixtutor.com/freebsd/understanding-symbolic-links/
[04:19] <Unit193> Myron: To answer your question of symlink: ln
[04:21] <lighta> hey guys, what's wrong with this cli ? rsync -r --exclude .svn ../lof_v2 ./
[04:21] <lighta>  I don't feel any recursive here :(
[04:21]  * Unit193 doesn't use rsync, so could only say !rsync and manpage...
[04:22] <Myron> I am thinking of just reinstalling,
[04:22] <lighta> yeah I found it ok I should do ../lof_v2/ otherwise not work :( damnn ! xd
[04:22] <Myron> because the graphx drivers aren'
[04:22] <Myron> t working that well with ubuntu 9.10
[04:23] <Unit193> Myron: you going with 10.10 then release upgrade?
[04:24] <Myron> Unit193, I am thinking of just installing this Xubuntu 10.10 disc that I have, once the harddrive is backed up.
[04:24] <Myron> not sure if it will make or break my video card drivers though
[04:25] <Myron> the jockey tool that detects drivers is working
[04:25] <Myron> and says I am running the Nvidia drivers,
[04:25] <Myron> however, I think that the graphics card is not good enough to drive this monstrous 27" screen
[04:26] <Myron> 24"
[04:26] <Myron> because when I move windows around, they lag, even though the drivers are installed
[04:28] <Myron> Unit193, this is the card I have:    nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)] (rev a1)
[04:28] <Myron> crappy ?
[04:29] <Dr416h7h> Along with my question here I've gone ahead and posted on ubuntuforums.org where I've posted my ~/.xsesson-errors: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10639295#post10639295A:
[04:34] <Dr416h7h> Anyone have any ideas why the icons/background/right clicking would be missing/unable to be used? The "Allow XFCE to manage desktop" cannot be found in the XFCE Settings Manager.
[04:37] <Unit193> Dr416h7h: I was waiting for someone that knows how to answer your question to show up
[04:38] <Unit193> Myron: I think you could boot a LiveCD and use the tool to get drivers for that (to check how well they work)
[04:40] <Myron> what is direct rendering, I am looking at a tool right now to display my computer's hardware and information
[04:41] <Myron> and it says direct rendering, none
[04:41] <Myron> sorry, Direct Rendering: NO
[04:41] <Myron> could that be why the windows are laggy when I move them around ect.. ?
[04:42] <Unit193> What program?
[04:42] <Myron> hardinfo
[04:43] <Myron> system profilers and benchmark tool
[04:43] <Myron> sudo apt-get install hardinfo
[04:43] <Myron> its in the OpenGL section..
[04:46] <Unit193> Same for me
[04:47] <Unit193> Myron: System > Additional Drivers
[04:47] <Myron> Unit193, yeah, system->additional drivers works
[04:48] <Myron> I installed the drivers through that program
[04:48] <Myron> its called gtkjockey, infact.
[04:48] <Myron> however,
[04:48] <Myron> I think its the graphics card itself,
[04:48] <Myron> because I am trying to drive a 1920 x 1200 24" display,
[04:48] <Unit193> On 9.*?
[04:48] <Myron> yes
[04:48] <Myron> 9.10
[04:49] <Myron> it works like 80% I would say,
[04:49] <Myron> I see a slight flicker once in a while
[04:49] <Myron> and when I move windows around they seem to lag
[04:49] <Myron> and, another example is this xchat program I am using
[04:50] <Myron> I have the background for this program set to transparent, so the wallpaper on the desktop is showing through
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[04:50] <Myron> when I move the xchat window around, the transparent area lags
[04:50] <Myron> maybe I should install compiz fusion ?
[04:52] <Myron> I really don';t think that will fix anything though
[04:53] <Myron> its probablly just this crappy gfx card
[04:53] <Myron> Unit193, this is the card I have:    nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)] (rev a1)
[04:54] <Myron> Unit193, so what do you think ?
[04:54] <Myron> new card, or install ubuntu 10.10 ?
[04:55] <Unit193> LiveCD 10.10
[04:56] <Myron> try it out..
[04:56]  * Unit193 uses a built-in Optiplex GX 260 card
[04:56] <Myron> yeah I will do
[05:18] <Unit193> Myron: Tell me how it goes?
[05:23] <Unit193> popman: Are you in Ohio?
[05:23] <popman> yes I am
[05:23] <popman> why do you ask?
[05:24] <Unit193> Did you know Ubuntu has an Ohio LoCo?
[05:24] <popman> nope
[05:24] <popman> what is that?
[05:24] <Unit193> !loco
[05:24] <ubottu> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[05:25] <popman> o wow
[05:25] <popman> lol
[05:42] <Myron> Unit193, hey
[05:42] <Myron> just waiting for 15000 files to copy off the 500gb HD
[05:42] <Myron> so I can install Xubuntu 10.10 to it
[05:42] <Myron> but transfering from IDE to Sata is a SLOOOOOW process
[06:18] <Netrix> What is the best way to remove Linux images that I have but do not show up in the Synaptic Package Manager?
[06:19] <Unit193> Does "sudo apt-get autoremove" help? (doesn't always work for me :/ )
[06:20] <Netrix> Nope
[06:24] <Netrix> For instance, it says I have 2.6.35-25-generic, but when I try to boot it, there are all sorts of things that cannot be found and it forces me to use the low-res graphics driver.
[06:25] <Netrix> It can't find /fb0 and several other things. It seems like a messed up image so I just want to remove it.
[06:25] <Unit193> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/proper-way-to-remove-old-linux-kernels/ <--- helps
[06:26] <Netrix> An idea that I have is to install it through the package manager and see if it makes it work, if not, uninstall it and hope it removes the junk.
[06:26] <Unit193> sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic
[06:27] <Unit193> ^^ Be VERY careful when you mess with kernel images!
[06:27] <Netrix> Well, it is actually a newer version, but I guess it should still apply.
[06:28] <Netrix> It says it is not installed.
[06:29] <Netrix> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-25-generic and /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-25-generic are present though... Should I just delete them?
[06:31] <Unit193> Check the link up ^^
[06:34] <gardenia> hello good day. I have been wondering why I couldn't copy files my xubuntu to another partition D: since I have double booting. Is there a way around this? I have used catfish but it wouldn't fetch files from there. Previously it did but now it just won't open to it.
[06:36] <Netrix> I checked the link. It does not show the version I am trying to remove and when I try to remove it anyway, it says it is not installed.
[06:36] <Netrix> What filesystem is the other partition?
[06:36] <Unit193> Netrix: dpkg --list 'linux-image*'
[06:37] <Netrix> I did that.
[06:37] <Netrix> I could show you the output if you want.
[06:37] <Unit193> !pastebin
[06:37] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[06:39] <Netrix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589550/
[06:40] <Unit193> You don't want to uninstall that, it's your only one!
[06:41] <Unit193> Can you "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[06:42] <Netrix> The one listed, yes. That is not 2.6.35-25-generic, which has files in /boot.
[06:42] <Netrix> I just did it. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[06:43] <gardenia> Good day. I have a file in xubuntu's My Documents which I would like to cut and paste into windows drive D: In ubuntu it's easy. All I have to do is cut and paste but in xubuntu, can't this be done?
[06:43] <Unit193> Netrix: Dang... I would *guess*(!) you could just remove them if it's not installed...
[06:44] <Netrix> Normally I probably would have just done that, except I was trying to do it the 'right' way.
[06:46] <Netrix> I don't know what causes Linux to explode and such, but it should be safe since they aren't used by the kernel that I am using right now.
[06:46] <Unit193> Netrix: I seem to be the only idiot on right now... but I would agree
[06:46] <Unit193> gardenia: Does gigolo (system > gigolo) find it? (I don't remember if gigolo does local HDDs
[06:48] <Netrix> gardenia, I just tried it with Thudar and it worked fine.
[06:48] <Unit193> Netrix: Thanks for reminding me to look that up! (just freed 300+ MB on my low spec system)
[06:49] <Netrix> Thanks for the help.
[06:49] <Unit193> Sorry I couldn't help anymore!
[06:50] <Netrix> One last question: Are the two files in /boot the only files for Linux images?
[06:51] <Netrix> Well, I mean the real data of the kernels.
[06:51] <Unit193> initrd and vmlinuz?
[06:52] <Netrix> Yeah. They seem to be the biggest.
[06:52] <Netrix> I am just curious because I am a programmer, but fairly new to how Linux does stuff.
[06:52] <Unit193> I think it's just what's in /boot
[06:54] <Netrix> Oh. I see now that the size reported for the current image is 128 MB, so that answers my question.
[07:23] <gardenia> Thanks netrix
[07:24] <Unit193> How did you get it?
[07:27] <gardenia> is it really thudar?
[07:28] <Unit193> thunar
[07:31] <gardenia> I can not see my drive d using thunar. Any other app that might do that?
[07:32] <Unit193> It won't say "drive D:"
[07:33] <Unit193> Can you give me a pastebin of "mount"?
[07:34] <Unit193> In terminal type "mount -l"
[07:37] <gardenia> can i paste it here?
[07:37] <Unit193> pastebin please
[07:37] <gardenia> /dev/sdb1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[07:37] <gardenia> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[07:38] <gardenia> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:38] <gardenia> none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[07:38] <gardenia> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:44] <Unit193> gardenia: Type "sudo fdisk -l" then put that into pastebin at paste.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <gardenia> ok.
[07:49] <gardenia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589559/            sorry i dont know how to use pastebin a while ago. thanks for the info
[07:51] <Unit193> This should do it: sudo mkdir /media/win && sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/win
[07:52] <gardenia> thanks unit193.
[07:52] <Unit193> You may want to come back later when smarter people are here and can tell you the best way to do it!
[07:53] <Unit193> No problem!@
[07:53] <gardenia> you're a life saver unit193. It works!
[07:55] <Unit193> Sorry it took so long :)
[08:09] <Sjors> Hi
[08:09] <Sjors> There's this server here, which is supposed to play music and display a graphical screen with what music is playing at the moment
[08:09] <Sjors> for some reason, someone put Xubuntu on that machine, even though it doesn't normally contain any other GUI other than X and the GUI
[08:10] <Sjors> so I tried configuring it to start the GUI automatically (as the 'marietjed' user, not root)
[08:10] <Sjors> however, even if I disable gdm to start at boot, an X window server comes up with the login screen, in gdm
[08:11] <gardenia> thanks
[08:11] <Sjors> first question: does any of you know why that is, and how I can disable that login window?
[08:12] <Sjors> currently I have fixed it with a workaround, which involves killing gdm 10 seconds after boot
[08:14] <Sjors> but then the splash screen stays around, for some weird reason
[08:14] <Unit193> I don't know if you can just remove gdm or not...
[08:15] <Sjors> I think if I remove gdm, most of gnome will be removed, and I need gnome stuff for the 'normal' graphical display, even if it's only mouse cursors
[08:16] <Unit193> You could use an auto login
[08:20] <Unit193> I would wait for tomorrow when this channel has more buzz too...
[08:48] <ochosi> Sjors: if you remove gdm you will only lose a metapackage (xubuntu-desktop) and the xubuntu-gdm-theme package and the xfswitch-plugin
[08:48] <ochosi> Sjors: you can always start your session with "startx" from tty
[08:49] <Sjors> ochosi: I should try that, thanks :)
[08:50] <ochosi> np
[11:29] <knome> sigue, please do something about your connection, or i'll have to banforward you again
[12:26] <fixxxermet> Hey everyone.  I have a dual-monitor setup (not cloned).  I want to rotate the left monitor only 90 degrees.  Tips?
[12:34] <Sysi> arandr if you don't have propietary driver
[12:36] <fixxxermet> Sysi: That works, but it turns both monitors 90
[12:37] <Sysi> hum, you maybe need to use xrandr directly then
[13:10] <ThinkT510> is xubuntu 10.04 LTS or does LTS only apply to ubuntu (gnome) release?
[13:10] <Sysi> it is LTS
[13:10] <ThinkT510> awesome, thanks
[13:10] <Sysi> same repositories for packages
[13:37] <Aquina> When *exactly* comes the day on which hardy gets abandonned?
[13:38] <Sysi> !8.04
[13:38] <ubottu> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.
[13:38] <Sysi> hrm
[13:43] <Aquina> Yeah thanks, but Canonical's official site states "April 2011". Do you know on which day, Sysi?
[13:48] <knome> Aquina, i suppose it's near the end
[13:48] <knome> Aquina, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[13:49] <knome> oh right
[13:49] <knome> that
[13:49] <knome> i suppose that's also near the end
[13:50] <knome> Aquina, looking from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, they all are EOL mid- or end-month
[14:10] <Aquina> So I can assume the package upgrades distribution for 8.04 HH will come to a halt on Apr., 28 2011?
[14:11] <knome> Aquina, don't count on it, but yes, during this month.
[14:11] <Aquina> (Which is also the day when 11.04 NN will be released)
[14:11] <Aquina> ok, thx
[14:11] <knome> i suppose it depends if there is *very* important fixes in the end-month
[14:11] <knome> if there is, i'm sure canonical wants to push them in
[14:12] <knome> if not, then the last updates might be earlier
[14:12] <Aquina> We run some of these systems. We have everythin in place for upgrades already. :-)
[14:13] <knome> mm-hmm
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[15:43] <likemindead> Halp? This morning's updates borked my Natty install. It loads to the login screen & freezes up. D:
[15:44] <ochosi> good to know, then i'll wait with installing updates in my natty :)
[15:45] <ochosi> no seriously, kernel freeze or what?
[15:45] <knome> lol
[15:45] <likemindead> Not sure. It even froze up when I tried to boot into recovery mode. :-\
[15:45] <likemindead> That's especially bad, isn't it?
[15:46] <ochosi> was it recovery mode with xserver or without?
[15:46] <likemindead> I held shift during boot, chose the recovery mode option in the GRUB menu, & it froze up a few seconds later.
[15:46] <likemindead> Didn't see any errors or anything.
[15:47] <ochosi> that's a drag
[15:47] <ochosi> so when you boot normally you can't switch to any other tty anymore after gdm freezes?
[15:47] <likemindead> Right. Tried to do that too. To no avail. :(
[15:48] <ochosi> hm, yeah, that sounds pretty borked then
[15:48] <ochosi> not sure there's much you can do, apart from booting a live-system (or another os, if you have one installed) and chroot from there and install updates/upgrades with the hope that they fix the issue
[15:49] <likemindead> How do I go about that?
[15:49] <ochosi> actually i think live-system would be a bit safer for chroot-ing
[15:49] <likemindead> Do tell?
[15:49] <ochosi> well, i could describe it here, but i assume it's better you get a good tutorial
[15:50] <ochosi> it's been some time that i had to do that
[15:50] <likemindead> Okay. I'll look it up.
[15:50] <ochosi> it's just a few basic commands though
[15:50] <ochosi> nothing yuo won't manage
[16:13] <likemindead> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589730/
[16:13] <likemindead> Hmm...
[16:14] <ochosi> likemindead: mount works differently
[16:15] <ochosi> likemindead: sudo mount /dev/sda2 $mountpoint
[16:15] <ochosi> likemindead: where $mountpoint is e.g. /mnt/sda2 (be sure to "sudo mkdir /mnt/sda2" beforehands)
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[23:59] <aaronth> howdy