[00:00] <James147> S74rk7: /boot/grub/grub.cfg is auto generated as well wheny ou update-grud ^^ which is run when a new kernel is installed/removed .... /etc/default/grub would be a better file to back up
[00:00] <gomiboy> xptical: why not just stick with a Long Time Support release than?
[00:01] <xptical> I may.  But I do like to have the latest hardware support.  My Laptop doesn't work out of the box with 10.10.  With 11.04, it all just works.
[00:13] <S74rk7> I am thinking to give BURG a try... I just wanted to back grub up in case I killed something...
[00:16] <James147> S74rk7: unless you have actually modified a file then reintalling grub should be enough
[00:22] <S74rk7> so pretty much if I kill something somehow... I should boot up off a livecd and reinstall burg or run the commands to auto generate it again? :)
[00:23] <James147> S74rk7: yup
[00:23] <James147> !grub2
[00:23] <James147> ^^ for refence if you need it :)
[00:24] <S74rk7> nice :) thanks guys...
[02:09] <Walzmyn> will i be able to upgrade straight from 10.04 to 11.04 or will I have to go though 10.11?
[02:14] <DarthFrog> Walzmyn: You'll probably have to go through 10.10.
[02:14] <Fanfare> Walzmyn: afaik 10.04 -> 11.04 should be ok, possibly via 10.10...
[02:35] <Fritz1793> lol i just found out how to view the different channels on this server (/list) :p that was giving me trouble for a bit on quassel
[02:43] <valorie> Fritz1793: using /msg alis list *searchterm* will give you better results
[02:43] <valorie> the /list command is server-intensive
[02:44] <Fritz1793> valorie: lol thanks i noticed that all the thousands of channels all appeared in random order with that command
[02:45] <Fritz1793> so do most people on this IRC server use kubuntu?
[02:45] <valorie> nope
[02:45] <Fritz1793> ok
[02:45] <valorie> freenode is for free projects of all kinds
[02:45] <DarthFrog> Fritz1793: Not on the server but, yes, on this channel.
[02:45] <valorie> kub. has three channels
[02:46] <valorie> lots of *buntu chans of all kinds and sorts as well
[02:46] <Fritz1793> but it says i'm on kubuntu irc and on the kubuntu channel which are 2 different things, right?
[02:46] <valorie> ah
[02:46] <valorie> that is a redirect, I believe
[02:46] <valorie> we don't run our own server
[02:47] <valorie> you are in the #kubuntu channel on freenode IRC
[02:47] <valorie> "kubuntu irc" for short
[02:47] <Fritz1793> ok
[02:48] <Fritz1793> but on other channels it still says that i'm on kubuntu irc?
[02:49] <Fritz1793> or is that due to the redirect thing you mentioned
[02:49] <valorie> probably so
[02:49] <valorie> or it might be how your client does it
[02:50] <Fritz1793> ok
[02:50] <Fritz1793> i'm using quassel which was preloaded so that might be it...
[02:50] <valorie> there are loads of different apps/ways to access IRC
[02:50] <valorie> including web pages
[02:50] <Fritz1793> like facebook?
[02:51] <Fritz1793> with the "chat" feature?
[02:51] <valorie> facebook uses XMPP, which is jabber
[02:51] <valorie> like GoogleChat
[02:51] <Fritz1793> ?
[02:51] <Fritz1793> sorry i can't quite understand jargon of that magnitude yet
[02:51] <valorie> that is another medium, like AOL IM and MSN
[02:52] <valorie> there are a few apps that allow you to use all of them, including IRC
[02:52] <valorie> ummm.... pidgin I think does
[02:52] <Fritz1793> ok
[02:52] <valorie> and telepathy will, I believe
[02:52] <valorie> I pretty much just use IRC
[02:53] <valorie> and occasionally FB or Gchat
[02:53] <Fritz1793> ok, i guess i'm still an initiate to this concept of the "internet" so i've just floated a bit
[02:53] <Fritz1793> ;D
[02:57] <Fritz1793> so what does "+o FloodBotK2" do?
[03:01] <valorie> stops trolls from flooding the channel
[03:01] <valorie> and annoys everyone else
[03:01] <valorie> it's a bot, as the name indicated
[03:02] <Fritz1793> ok
[03:02] <valorie> the +o part means it is a channel op, which means it has the power to do things like kick people out of channel
[03:02] <valorie> there are other bots like ubottu
[03:02] <valorie> who will answer questions
[03:02] <valorie> like...
[03:02] <valorie> !kubuntu
[03:03] <valorie> try it
[03:09] <Fritz1793> !kubuntu
[03:09] <Fritz1793> neato
[03:09] <Fritz1793> could i create my own bots?
[03:13] <valorie> you can, but not for *buntu channels
[03:13] <valorie> they are rather heavily regulated
[03:13] <Fritz1793> ok
[03:13] <valorie> but yes, people create all kinds of bots, and there is code for 'generic' ones, into which you put your own plugins, games, powers, etc.
[03:20] <Fritz1793> ok thanks for the excellent help!
[03:20] <Fritz1793> bye!
[03:23] <S74rk7> nobody awake?
[03:24] <valorie> I'm awake, but don't know the answer to your question
[03:24] <S74rk7> hi valorie!
[03:24] <valorie> hello
[03:24] <valorie> actually, I don't see your question in scrollback
[03:25] <valorie> so you may as well ask again
[03:25] <S74rk7> no I've decided I'm gonna install burg instead... was worried but what the heck... if I break something least I'll learn to fix it....
[03:25] <valorie> burg?
[03:26] <S74rk7> from my understanding and in short...
[03:27] <S74rk7> it changes the look of the grub2 menu... plain txt which looks intimidating to some - and gives it a bit of a gui
[03:27] <S74rk7> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[03:28] <S74rk7> I was wondering earlier how to backup grub before I tried this out... but I found out that you can pretty much repair grub if something goes wrong
[03:28] <S74rk7> so I'm gonna take a chance here and test it out...
[03:28] <S74rk7> lol
[03:29] <valorie> cool
[03:29] <valorie> come back and tell us about it
[03:29] <S74rk7> but my question now is... I've found a bit of a guide online that looks good but its telling me to install something called BUC too...
[03:30] <valorie> if it's on help.ubunbu.com, it's good
[03:30] <valorie> follow it
[03:31] <valorie> it looks waaaay too involved for me
[03:33] <Daughain> Hopefully no worse than the time I had to setup to do installs over lan
[03:35] <James147> ^^ dosnt look to involved
[03:36] <James147> ^^ add the ppa -> install -> configure :)
[04:11] <jordan> when i active my desktop effects it jacks my sceen up when im scrolling
[04:11] <jordan> kubuntu 10.10
[05:24] <s0phie_> o.o
[05:25] <s0phie_> hey guize, i'm trying to get to a directory where i have a file containing stuff to run in command line, but i can't cd to it?
[05:28] <Magnusson> can someone help me with modding my desktop? i'm using kubuntu and kde, but would like to use GDM as my login manager, and some gtk themes
[06:48] <valorie> !freenode
[06:52] <jrgp> my / is btrfs, package acl is installed, but when I edit a file's "advanced permissions" and add an acl entry, click "ok, and later reopen the file's perms window, my entry has automagically tragically disappeared. How can I make ACL changes stick?
[06:52] <jrgp> 64bit kubuntu maverick btw
[08:26] <Miika--> Hello, I have installed Kubuntu on Lenovo laptop. When I log out, it just gives me black screen...  What could be the problem?
[08:48] <well_laid_lawn>  Miika-- try checking ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for anything relevant
[10:22] <doilgheas> hi
[10:23] <doilgheas> how i start jbossas with a kubuntu 10.10?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:13] <MajinSaiyan> Good morning everyone
[13:24] <BluesKaj> good morning , MajinSaiyan
[13:24] <MajinSaiyan> how are you, Blueskaj?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> just fine thanks , and you , MajinSaiyan ?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> MajinSaiyan, so what's your question ?
[13:31] <MajinSaiyan> Well i don't have a question right now....i'm trying to get used to the system.....
[13:32] <MajinSaiyan> Thank you for asking though. I apreciate it.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> MajinSaiyan, ok , if you want to do some offtopic discussion , #kubuntu-offtopic is where we hang out to chat
[13:34] <MajinSaiyan> Ok Thank you for letting me know
[14:07] <MajinSaiyan> Can anyone help me? I have Kubuntu 10.10 and just installed a tool for converting .dmg files to image files. I can locate the tool in /root/usr/bin but i can't open the exe file. When i click it nothing happens. What am i doing wrong?
[14:09] <juan_> what is the name of this tools?
[14:09] <MajinSaiyan> dmg2img
[14:09] <MajinSaiyan> i used KPackageKit to get it
[14:10] <juan_> try press alt+F2 and type this name
[14:10] <juan_> then hit Enter
[14:11] <juan_> or look int Applications menu
[14:11] <juan_> in*
[14:12] <MajinSaiyan> i tried both and it still doesn't work :/
[14:12]  * James147 wonders why any application would install to /root/...
[14:12] <James147> ^^ suggests its not installed where it should and thus not on the path ^^
[14:13] <James147> MajinSaiyan: what tool did you download
[14:13] <MajinSaiyan> that's strange since i used the software center to install the file
[14:13] <MajinSaiyan> it's called dmg2img
[14:13] <James147> MajinSaiyan: yeah, i have never seen the packagemanager install to weird locations like that
[14:14]  * James147 goes to try installing it
[14:14] <MajinSaiyan> Thanks for your help guys.....i've installed a few programs and have located them in the /bin folder, but i can't run them
[14:15] <James147> MajinSaiyan: most if not all tools in /bin are command line tools ^^
[14:15] <MajinSaiyan> oh i see.....i guess i have to learn how to use the terminal
[14:16] <James147> MajinSaiyan: I just inslled dmg2img from kpackagekit and it installed to /usr/bin/... as it should
[14:16] <James147> MajinSaiyan: suggests to me that something is wrong with your system if it didnt :S
[14:16] <MajinSaiyan> are you able to open the tool just fine?
[14:17] <James147> MajinSaiyan: Yes, it appears to run (or at least display the help message)
[14:18] <MajinSaiyan> i still can't get mine to work....let me try the steps once more
[14:25] <MajinSaiyan> i couldn't get it to work. I will try again later....gotta get ready for work. Thanks for your help, Juan and James147.
[14:40] <legodude> hi, anyone know of 'location aware' tools for  kubuntu?
[14:41] <legodude> ie, when connected to my home network, I don't want to have my computer ask for my password on resume from suspend
[14:45] <James147> legodude: there is the bluetooth lock ^^ which will lock/unlock your computer baised on if a certian bluetooth devices is detected or not
[14:54] <Fearless13> hi, anyone know what is the file to edit to enable double click instead simple click on KDE?
[14:55] <tsimpson> Fearless13: System Setting -> Keyboard & Mouse or System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse
[14:56] <Fearless13> Yep tsimpson but I was looking for the file to edit you see? Doing it with the shell
[14:58] <tsimpson> Fearless13: ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[14:58] <Fearless13> hm
[14:58] <tsimpson> look for "[KDE]" and the line "SingleClick=true", change it to "SingleClick=false"
[14:59] <Fearless13> I don't have this line in my kdeglobals :s
[15:00] <Fearless13> I'm gonna add it maybe
[15:00] <tsimpson> as long as it's under the "[KDE]" section
[15:00] <Fearless13> I don't have [KDE] section neither..
[15:01] <tsimpson> then you should probably add that too
[15:01] <Fearless13> I have to reload it afterthat?
[15:01] <Kolia> :D
[15:02] <tsimpson> probably login/out
[15:02] <tsimpson> or just run "kbuildsycoca4"
[15:04] <Fearless13> ok let's try
[15:07] <Fearless13> Not bad tsimpson not bad... How did you find out?
[15:07] <tsimpson> grep
[15:07] <tsimpson> grep -r Click ~/.kde/config/
[15:08] <tsimpson> I did "click" first, didn't see anything useful, so capitalized
[15:08] <Fearless13> Ok thx
[15:08] <tsimpson> then I tested by changing to use single-click and see what changed
[15:09] <Fearless13> Unfortunately it wouldn't have worked for me because of the absence of this parameter in my files !
[15:09] <tsimpson> I've upgraded through many versions of KDE, so I have lots of settings stored
[15:10] <Fearless13> Put your .kde/config online I'm gonna grep if I need.. LOL !
[15:10] <tsimpson> I'd rather not ;)
[15:11] <Fearless13> I was jokin ;)
[15:11] <Fearless13> Anyway thanks for your help and the tip
[15:11] <tsimpson> no problem
[15:12] <cynthiagg> ooi
[15:21] <kalib> when will 11.04 come up?
[15:23] <Fearless13> still beta
[15:23] <Fearless13> chan ubuntu+1
[16:09] <sudipta> is it safe to install kde 4.6 in ubuntu 10.10?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> sudipta, I'm running kde 4.6 on 10.10 without any mishaps
ok...i was thinking to give it a try......been a long time gnome user
[16:11] <BluesKaj> sudipta, you can choose which desktop you want to use at login , but youll need to choose a default window manager, either one will do gdm or kdm.
[16:11] <asraniel> sudipta: there are some kde pim related bugs, nothing serious though
[16:11] <BluesKaj> sudipta, one question , laptop or desktop?
desktop....
[16:12] <BluesKaj> ok, sudipta , enjoy kde :)
can i use gdm in gnome and kdm in kde?
[16:14] <tsimpson> you only need to use one or the other
[16:14] <tsimpson> it's only used to start the desktop, nothing more
i want just to use the Desk. envrnmnt....
[16:15] <tsimpson> sudipta: both kdm and gdm can log you into both gnome and KDE (and others)
ok
[16:16] <BluesKaj> sudipta, tsimpson just answered your question , it's immaterial which window manager you use
[16:16] <tsimpson> *display manager
[16:16] <BluesKaj> right tsimpson sry :)
[16:16] <tsimpson> :)
i am going to uninstall all the softwares that r gonna be installed duting kubuntu-desktop installation.....]
[16:17] <tsimpson> why?
[16:23]  * BluesKaj wonders if kde and wayland will be a good fit
[16:27]  * Peace- will doing a dvd with kubuntu +lxde
[17:39] <afief> How unstable is Kubuntu 11.04 right now?
[17:39] <Tm_T> afief: #ubuntu+1 would be better place to ask
[17:40] <afief> Tm_T: I was afraid they'd focus on problems with Unity instead of the distro itself
[19:53] <katsrc> waht's a good KDE based recording application?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> katsrc, that depends on the media , target and the source
[20:00] <katsrc> BluesKaj: lets say something like Audacity?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> katsrc, audcity is unecessarily complex for recording audio ,checkout  cdrdao , or sound recorder if you don't mind gtk apps
[20:08] <katsrc> BluesKaj: thanks
[20:21] <Peace-> katsrc: kwave :)
[20:22] <katsrc> Peace-: compiling that as we speak, the version in the repo is it using Qt4 with KDE4 support?
[20:22] <Peace-> katsrc: compilinh ?
[20:22] <Peace-> why
[20:22] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install kwave
[20:22] <Peace-> :S
[20:23] <katsrc> .86 has KDE4 support
[20:23] <katsrc> 0.8.6*
[20:23] <katsrc> 0.8.5 is in the repos
[20:33] <BluesKaj> Peace-, katsrc , another is the old standby cdrecord
[20:36] <katsrc> BluesKaj: is it cli?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:37] <BluesKaj> it's installed by default
[20:41] <rikva> hi, I just activated the ppa backports to get the new KDE packages. Now every time I open a video file over SMB:// using VLC, KDE first copies the whole file to /tmp. This is not neccesary because VLC can stream over SMB. Is there a way to change this behaviour?
[21:14] <ooki2day> impedes flash of player. prompt as to correct
[21:22] <Guest99523> musica italiana
[21:25] <gribouille> hi
[21:25] <gribouille> is kde 4.6.2 availble ?
[21:27] <tsimpson> gribouille: not yet, but soon
[21:27] <gribouille> tsimpson, when ?
[21:27] <tsimpson> once the packages are made
[21:27] <gribouille> tsimpson, do you mean compiled ?
[21:28] <tsimpson> created and compiled and published
[21:28] <ooki2day> somebody can help me?)
[21:29] <gribouille> tsimpson, it's just a bugfix release, so it must be possible to reuse the previous packages
[21:29] <gomiboy> gribouille: short answer: no
[21:29] <gribouille> gomiboy, why ?
[21:29] <tsimpson> gribouille: mostly, but not completely in all cases
[21:29] <genii-around> ooki2day: Your flash player is not working?
[21:30] <ooki2day> hi is working, but lags
[21:31] <genii-around> ooki2day: Are you using gnash or the adobe one?
[21:31] <ooki2day> adobe
[21:32] <ooki2day> what is gnash?
[21:32] <genii-around> ooki2day: It is the open source flash player. It is the one which is usually having problems, and not the adobe one.
[21:32] <gribouille> ooki2day, a free flash player
[21:33] <ooki2day> thx, i try to use it)
[21:34] <petete> does sif muna protect against wucad mu miscasts?
[21:34] <ooki2day> gnash will work with adobe?
[21:35] <petete> oops, sorry. wrong channel
[21:35] <ooki2day> or need delete adobe previosly?
[21:36] <gomiboy> ooki2day: if you have problems with adobe, you will have more problems with gnash
[21:36] <ooki2day> why?
[21:37] <gomiboy> ooki2day: it's slower and doesn't work at all with some flash out there
[21:38] <gribouille> I if want to back up my system, whic system directories should I back up ?
[21:39] <ooki2day> thx. now I will look
[21:41] <gomiboy> gribouille: the word "system" says it all... every :P (excep /sys /proc)
[21:42] <genii-around> gribouille: Pretty much everything except /dev /proc /sys /tmp /var/cache and anything mounted under /mnt or /media
[21:46] <gribouille> ok, thanks
[22:00] <ooki2day_> tsimpson: 4.6.2 is now available
[22:25] <s0phie_> where can i change desktop effects?
[22:30] <doctoras> feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[22:30] <doctoras> аууууууууууууу
[22:31] <genii-around> !ua
[22:31] <genii-around> Hm
[22:33] <doctoras> народ когда Либру стваиш опен надо полюбому сносить?
[22:33] <genii-around> !ru
[22:37] <doctoras> tell me what is best OpenOffice or Libra Office
[22:37] <ooki2day_> doctoras: повтори вопрос понятнее)
 на каком языке?
[22:39] <ooki2day_> dactoras:  понял уже. ты хочешь поставить либре офис?
[22:39] <doctoras> да
[22:39] <ooki2day_> не обязательно сносить опен офис
[22:39] <doctoras> у меня просто опень офис 3,2 и до 3,3 синоптик невидет обновления
[22:40] <genii-around> !english
[22:40] <ooki2day_> doctoras: can you undersефтв english?
[22:40] <genii-around> doctoras and ooki2day_ Please visit #ubuntu-ru for Russian
[22:41] <ooki2day_> doctoras: *understand
[22:42] <BajK> is there a KDE kdm theme that supports a user name seleciton list? the default kubuntu is just plain windows95-style with user name and password prompt
[22:44] <TLF> hello
[22:44] <ooki2day_> hi
[22:44] <TLF> can anone please tell me what's the default kubunt theme? thanks
[22:45] <ooki2day_> you want know theme name?
[22:45] <TLF> yes, please
[22:46] <ooki2day_> kde or gnome?
[22:47] <TLF> both
[22:47] <ooki2day_> you use kde or gnome?
[22:48] <doctoras> kde
[22:48] <TLF> I use both :)
[22:48] <TLF> seriously
[22:49] <ooki2day_> kde default style is oxygen'
[22:49] <ooki2day_> colors oxygen too
need to create a Russian channel Kubuntu
[22:51] <ooki2day_> doctoras: yes)i will answer in private
I have created for our private channel
[22:53] <TLF> need to go
[22:53] <TLF> thank you very much for your help, ooki2day_
[22:53] <TLF> goodbye
[22:54] <ooki2day_> TLF: bye)
[23:10] <thumper> should I ask natty upgrade issues with quassel-core here?
[23:11] <thumper> I'm missing quassel, and have dropped back to konversation
[23:12] <genii-around> thumper: I experienced problems with it constantly crashing, yes. Am now using one from git and put it in /usr/local/bin  instead of the system /usr/bin where the packaged one resides
[23:32] <ironfroggy> When I disconnect an external display from my laptop, even if i disable the second display i can still drag windows to it or existing windows still get stuck on it, where i can't even see.
[23:32] <ironfroggy> Is there something I can do about this?
[23:34] <thumper> Riddell: ping
[23:35] <Riddell> hi thumper
[23:35] <thumper> Riddell: who knows about quassel packaging?
[23:35] <thumper> Riddell: I upgraded to natty last night an chasing quassel issues
[23:35] <thumper> looking in the log file it seems that as the new packages were being installed, quassel was filaing to store messages
[23:36] <thumper> and quassel-core failed to install fully
[23:36] <Riddell> I think scottK usually packages it
[23:36] <thumper> what tz is scottK in?
[23:36] <Riddell> US
[23:37] <thumper> thanks
[23:37] <thumper> do you happen to know if quassel has its own channel?
[23:38] <Riddell> an IRC client without its own channel would seem a curious thing :)
[23:38] <Riddell> I expect it's #quassel
[23:38] <thumper> yup
[23:38] <thumper> I just went there :)
[23:57] <ooki2day_> when I can douwnload upgrades for ubuntu natty from launchpad.net?