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| wgrant | timrc: With a bit of luck it will be deployed in a day or two. | 00:16 |
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| timrc | wgrant: excellent, thanks again for the quick turnaround | 00:39 |
| mtaylor | is there a way to have a member of a team not receive PPA build emails? | 01:32 |
| wgrant | mtaylor: No :/ | 01:33 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: there is a bug about the amount of mail | 01:33 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: you could fix that | 01:33 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: :) | 01:33 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: so I take it the answer for now is "figure out how to filter ppa message MUA-side" | 01:34 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: well, its a clear problem | 01:34 |
| lifeless | we should perhaps just add an option | 01:34 |
| lifeless | measure its use | 01:34 |
| lifeless | and if it gets past 60 or 70% just stop sending mail | 01:35 |
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| PabloM | hi, I'm learning to use launchpad but I can't find the docs for what I want to do | 02:43 |
| PabloM | I requested a merge, the reviewer asked me to fix some things, I fixed them, commited the changes and pushed to my branch, how do I update the merge request with the new stuff? | 02:44 |
| wgrant | PabloM: It should automatically update within a couple of minutes. | 02:45 |
| PabloM | ohhh you are right, thx (note to self: press F5!) | 02:46 |
| wgrant | Heh. | 02:46 |
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| poolie | spiv: hydrazine should be ok with maverick lplib now | 05:02 |
| spiv | poolie: thanks! | 05:26 |
| fta2 | hi | 07:02 |
| fta2 | using getPublishedBinaries(), is it possible to filter by date and/or by binary pkg name? (to limit the number of iterations) | 07:03 |
| wgrant | fta2: archive.getPublishedBinaries(binary_name='foo') | 07:05 |
| fta2 | and by date? | 07:06 |
| fta2 | it's for my ppa stats tool. i'd like to make the polling incremental | 07:07 |
| fta2 | as 4h is way too long to use more than a few times a month | 07:07 |
| wgrant | fta2: It should order by date. | 07:08 |
| fta2 | no, it's by pkg 1st | 07:08 |
| wgrant | Argh, true. | 07:08 |
| wgrant | (name, id) | 07:08 |
| fta2 | which is too bad | 07:09 |
| wgrant | So. | 07:09 |
| wgrant | If you're already filtering by name, you get newest-first. | 07:09 |
| wgrant | So could you just filter by name then read until you see one that you've already seen? | 07:09 |
| fta2 | i'm not filtering at all atm | 07:09 |
| fta2 | how can i get all the published binary_names beforehand then? | 07:14 |
| fta2 | (if i want to emulate incremental polling for all pkgs in a ppa) | 07:15 |
| wgrant | fta2: I was hoping you'd have a list :( | 07:15 |
| fta2 | sadly, i don't. | 07:17 |
| fta2 | wgrant, btw, did you have a chance to investigate the stats issue yet? | 07:20 |
| wgrant | fta2: We were LOSAless for most of today, unfortunately. | 07:21 |
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| desrt | hello. is there a launchpad admin that i can speak privately to? | 08:22 |
| wgrant | desrt: Hi. I'm the help contact for today, you can PM me if you want. | 08:23 |
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| cdbs | 54 minutes to go... | 09:36 |
| philip_stoev | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/5.3 URLs do not work for "bzr checkout" . I assume it is connected to the current maintenance. | 10:20 |
| philip_stoev | bzr reports "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:" , because the launchpad homepage is served instead | 10:20 |
| wgrant | philip_stoev: Right, we're not completely back up yet. | 10:20 |
| philip_stoev | ok thanks np | 10:20 |
| wgrant | philip_stoev: Nearly there, though. | 10:20 |
| wgrant | The webapp comes up early, codehosting takes a few minutes longer. | 10:21 |
| wgrant | philip_stoev: It's back now. | 10:23 |
| philip_stoev | wgrant: thanks | 10:23 |
| zyga | hi, is there a way to construct an URL to source viewer for particular launchpad project, branch name and _TAG_ (not revision) | 10:29 |
| cdbs | Yay! | 10:29 |
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| spiv | zyga: I don't think so unfortunately | 11:13 |
| zyga | spiv, thanks | 11:13 |
| spiv | zyga: it probably wouldn't be hard to add | 11:13 |
| spiv | zyga: file a bug | 11:13 |
| zyga | spiv, I found two issues with current URLS - they require the (volatile) knowledge of branch owner | 11:14 |
| spiv | (I'm imagining something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/changes/tag:bzr-2.4b1) | 11:14 |
| zyga | spiv, and there is no way to link directly to a tag instead of a revision | 11:14 |
| spiv | zyga: for official branches they don't | 11:14 |
| wgrant | You can use /+branch/project/changes | 11:14 |
| spiv | e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/bzr | 11:14 |
| zyga | hmm | 11:15 |
| zyga | right | 11:15 |
| spiv | (Basically every lp:… branch can be viewed at the corresponding http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/…) | 11:15 |
| zyga | in my use case I keep track of gcc-linaro/4.5 so it's not going to help that much, right? | 11:15 |
| wgrant | /+branch/gcc-linaro/4.5 | 11:16 |
| zyga | oh, right it works | 11:16 |
| zyga | I though only trunk will work like that | 11:16 |
| zyga | cool | 11:16 |
| spiv | zyga: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/gcc-linaro/4.5 ? | 11:16 |
| wgrant | /+branch/WHATEVER works where WHATEVER is any branch name or alias that LP recognises. | 11:16 |
| spiv | Oh, I'm too slow :) | 11:17 |
| wgrant | (except for private branches, which only work on HTTPS) | 11:17 |
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| Chr|s | hey guys | 13:11 |
| Chr|s | what happens if I am unable to access my account? I don't have access to the email tied to that account unfortunally | 13:12 |
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| Chr|s | I have filed a support ticket regarding this | 13:24 |
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| xnox | I've emailed merge@code.launchpad.net with a merge bundle generated by $bzr send but nothing seemed to happen =( Did I miss something? Does the email needs to be GPG signed? | 16:21 |
| maxb | xnox: Yes, it does | 16:24 |
| xnox | aha =) let me try again. | 16:24 |
| xnox | OOPS-1922CMP2 what happened? | 17:11 |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1922CMP2 | 17:11 |
| xnox | did launchpad not figure out that i wanted to propose merge not for the development focus but a leave branch? | 17:11 |
| xnox | s/leave/leaf | 17:11 |
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| fta | OOPS-1922F1441 | 17:17 |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1922F1441 | 17:17 |
| maxb | jcsackett: Hello, would you be able to provide me with xnox's OOPS info? I have stared at CMP ones before and can probably figure it out | 17:19 |
| maxb | quite quickly | 17:19 |
| * jcsackett looks | 17:20 | |
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| jcsackett | maxb: probably, but first i have to go find it; it's not showing up in our Oops-tools. | 17:21 |
| maxb | jcsackett: crowberry | 17:21 |
| jcsackett | maxb: i know, i just have to dig it up. :-) | 17:21 |
| maxb | Ah. Last time this happened, we had people playing hunt-the-machine :-) | 17:22 |
| jcsackett | i think i know the time; i watched the hunt. :-) | 17:22 |
| jcsackett | hunt-the-machine. worst game ever. | 17:22 |
| maxb | xnox: The problem is bug 718723 - in short, mailed bundles for 2a format branches are broken | 17:35 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 718723 in Launchpad itself "fetch from merge directive to stacked branch unable to fill in chk pages" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718723 | 17:35 |
| xnox | maxb: just great. I need to do a merge proposal for a non-dev-focus branch which is 500GB in size. | 17:36 |
| xnox | sorry =) | 17:36 |
| xnox | typo | 17:36 |
| xnox | 50MB | 17:36 |
| xnox | and when I push it, it takes ages from my connection | 17:36 |
| xnox | when I do $ bzr push lp:~/project/new --stacked-on=lp:~/project/old-target | 17:36 |
| xnox | it does it quickly, but the resultant branch is broken on launchad. | 17:37 |
| xnox | what is the correct naming scheme for me to reconfigure the branch on launchpad after the push? | 17:37 |
| xnox | but that's the old bugs with stacking on launchpad. I might right a plugin to do those things if at all it is possible. | 17:38 |
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| sin8h_ | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-devel/annotate/head:/database/schema/trusted.sql isn't working | 19:43 |
| jcsackett | sin8h_: it's opening for me, have you tried reloading? loggerhead ocassionally errors the first time you try to access something. | 19:47 |
| sin8h_ | jcsackett: yeah its working for me now. thanks :) | 19:48 |
| jcsackett | you're welcome. :-) | 19:48 |
| maco | i have a question for an LP Admin, but it's a bit sensitive, so i'd like to ask it in a PM... | 20:15 |
| maco | i just dont know who the LP Admins are | 20:15 |
| jcsackett | maco: i'm on help contact duty for lp right now, feel free to PM me. | 20:16 |
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| Chr|s | how do I center the top table with my picture and info? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisMcCormick | 20:42 |
| benji | Chr|s: I /think/ this will help: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnTables | 21:04 |
| Chr|s | benji: thanks, can't seem to figure out how to center the table | 21:11 |
| benji | Chr|s: try margin:auto | 21:16 |
| Chr|s | how do I center the top table with my picture and info? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisMcCormickok | 21:17 |
| Chr|s | err | 21:17 |
| Chr|s | up arrow fml | 21:17 |
| Chr|s | ok will try | 21:17 |
| benji | heh | 21:18 |
| Chr|s | ahh that worked perfectly | 21:18 |
| benji | this appears to work in my sandbox: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/590438/ | 21:18 |
| Chr|s | thanks benji | 21:18 |
| benji | cool | 21:19 |
| nessita | hi there, any ideas why a launchpad build is failing with: dpkg-deb: error: control directory has bad permissions 700 (must be >=0755 and <=0775)? | 22:03 |
| nessita | (from https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68485456/buildlog.txt.gz) | 22:03 |
| sinzui | nessita: I do not know, but wgrant will be available soon and he may have insight into the matter | 22:05 |
| nessita | sinzui: thanks! | 22:06 |
| sinzui | nessita: I am aware that a change was made recently were builds were wrongly reported to be sucessful...they were in fact failing. | 22:06 |
| sinzui | nessita: have you built and installed this package from the ppa before? | 22:06 |
| nessita | sinzui: hum, I see. But I don't think that's our case, since we not only got 'build success' but also we got a new package available | 22:07 |
| nessita | sinzui: yes, everyday after every commit :-) (we have a bot) | 22:07 |
| bigjools | it doesn't like the permissions on your debian/control dir | 22:07 |
| nessita | bigjools: control is a file not a dir, so the error puzzles me | 22:08 |
| bigjools | sorry thinko, I meant file | 22:08 |
| nessita | bigjools: and we're using the exact same branch to build maverick and lucid, and that builds properly | 22:08 |
| nessita | bigjools: also, the control file has perms 644, not 700 like the error is reporting | 22:09 |
| bigjools | does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6471986 | 22:10 |
| * nessita looks | 22:10 | |
| nessita | bigjools: not really. I requested the build of this recipe: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/+recipe/client-dailies, and it built fine for maverick and lucid, and failed for natty | 22:11 |
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| bigjools | it mght be a dpkg bug | 22:11 |
| nessita | no NTFS file system around here | 22:11 |
| bigjools | I would google the error and see what you can find | 22:11 |
| bigjools | I see quite a few hits | 22:12 |
| nessita | bigjools: but... would that make fail only one build? :-/ | 22:15 |
| bigjools | no idea :/ | 22:15 |
| nessita | yesterday that same recipe built fine on the 3 versions | 22:15 |
| bigjools | something changed somewhere then | 22:15 |
| lifeless | there's an amd64 buildd issue at the moment | 22:16 |
| lifeless | lamont was talking about it in u-d | 22:16 |
| nessita | lifeless: thanks! that makes more sense | 22:17 |
| bigjools | that was an i386 build though? | 22:19 |
| nessita | checking | 22:19 |
| bigjools | well it's getting i386 Packages files :) | 22:19 |
| nessita | bigjools: you're right :-/ | 22:19 |
| lamont | bigjools: speaking of which, land https://code.launchpad.net/~lamont/launchpad/lp-buildd-77/+merge/56652 pls | 22:20 |
| lamont | nessita: what builder? | 22:20 |
| bigjools | lamont: it's 22:20 here, but I am sure wgrant will do it for you when he starts | 22:20 |
| lamont | bigjools: i386 machines installed during march are likely to be affected | 22:20 |
| lamont | cool | 22:20 |
| nessita | lifeless: any idea why i'm getting this build failure https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68485456/buildlog.txt.gz for the ubuntuone-client dailies? | 22:20 |
| bigjools | lamont: aaaaa umask .... | 22:21 |
| lamont | nessita: what builder? | 22:21 |
| lamont | as in what's the build url | 22:21 |
| lamont | buildlogs are useless | 22:21 |
| bigjools | nessita: it's *always* best to post the build URL, not the log URL | 22:21 |
| lamont | bigjools: speaking of which... could we get the builder URL into the build log? | 22:21 |
| bigjools | lamont: file a bug on launchpad-buildd and send wgrant cookies :) | 22:21 |
| lamont | heh | 22:22 |
| lamont | nessita: and in the meanwhile, retrying the build will fix it. | 22:22 |
| bigjools | actually we could put a dirty hack in the b-m to send it in the build start message | 22:22 |
| lamont | the ones that retrying won't fix are the builds that "succeeded" because they silently failed | 22:22 |
| lamont | bigjools: couldn't sbuild-package do it? | 22:23 |
| nessita | lamont: natty for ubuntuone-client dailies recipe | 22:23 |
| lamont | URL??\ | 22:23 |
| nessita | lamont: build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68485456/buildlog.txt.gz | 22:23 |
| nessita | lamont: I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're asking. is this the build url you want? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/+recipe/client-dailies | 22:23 |
| nessita | lamont: I retried twice, let's see if the third time is a charm | 22:23 |
| bigjools | lamont: probably not | 22:23 |
| nessita | lamont: what URL are you asking me? :-) | 22:23 |
| lamont | of the build record | 22:23 |
| lamont | the place where you clicked on the link that gave you the 'buildlog' | 22:24 |
| lamont | and that retry, was it less than 50 minutes ago? | 22:24 |
| lamont | nessita: basically, from the buildlog, we can get no where. from the build URL, we can get everywhere | 22:26 |
| lamont | and I have to run, willread scrollback later | 22:26 |
| nessita | lamont: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/+recipe/client-dailies | 22:28 |
| nessita | (I linked that before, but seems like that is what you want?) | 22:28 |
| lamont | bigjools: sigh. I'm going to bet that the recipe builder doesn't deal with umask either. | 22:30 |
| bigjools | lamont: why is it suddenly a problem? | 22:30 |
| bigjools | did the natty toolchain change? | 22:30 |
| lamont | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies/+buildjob/2431983 <-- that's the actual URL I was after, yours got me there well enough though) | 22:31 |
| lamont | bigjools: underlying sudo on the builder guest got upgraded to 1.7.2 | 22:31 |
| bigjools | ah I have recollections of some sudo thing | 22:31 |
| lamont | bigjools: I'll finish stabbing the sudoers version of the fix into things tonight | 22:31 |
| cody-somerville | When I search for a user in the 'Subscribe someone else' modal dialogue, how do I open the lp page for one of the results to verify the result is who I think it is? | 22:31 |
| lamont | but must flee now. afk for a while | 22:32 |
| bigjools | sinzui: did you get all that? :) | 22:32 |
| cody-somerville | Also, how do I search for a user by e-mail address? | 22:33 |
| sinzui | no, I am still trying to stuff the info into my head | 22:33 |
| nessita | lamont: third build request failed with the same error | 22:36 |
| sinzui | cody-somerville: search user in pickers and /people always searches email address | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | sinzui, search from homepage doesn't | 22:39 |
| cody-somerville | and no link to /people from homepage either | 22:39 |
| sinzui | cody-somerville: I did not say that did. that is google | 22:39 |
| sinzui | cody-somerville: browser people and teams got removed I see | 22:40 |
| fta | wgrant, \o/ multi-PPA stats: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/stats/stats.html | 22:47 |
| fta | still polling... | 22:48 |
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| micahg | sinzui: karma has been expired for several hours, is this a known issue? | 23:27 |
| sinzui | micahg: I cannot say. | 23:28 |
| micahg | sinzui: should I file a support request? | 23:29 |
| sinzui | I am down about 10,000 karma points over the last 2 months. I believe that is because worked with blueprints last year about this time | 23:29 |
| sinzui | micahg: Can you verify you have maintained the same activity you had last year, doing the same comparable things? | 23:29 |
| sinzui | There are not reports of karma not running | 23:29 |
| sinzui | what activities do you do? | 23:30 |
| micahg | sinzui: huh? I'm just noting that it shows as expired on everyone's page, not quibbling about the value | 23:30 |
| sinzui | everyones? | 23:30 |
| sinzui | intersting | 23:30 |
| sinzui | ha | 23:30 |
| sinzui | that is stupid | 23:30 |
| micahg | sinzui: yours, mine, pitti's | 23:30 |
| sinzui | it is not a support issue | 23:31 |
| sinzui | it is a defect in the templates | 23:31 |
| sinzui | micahg: This is bug 415346. The rules for PersonKarmaView.has_expired_karma look wrong | 23:34 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 415346 in Launchpad itself "Wording: "karma has expired." when none has yet been earned." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415346 | 23:34 |
| micahg | sinzui: well, something broke it in the last couple days | 23:36 |
| sinzui | I do not think so. We stopped working on karma a couple years ago because we think we should remove it | 23:37 |
| sinzui | I am annotating the code now | 23:37 |
| micahg | sinzui: it has been working and only showing that notice once a day on average when recalculating | 23:38 |
| sinzui | micahg: yes. understood. that time though is actually several hours | 23:39 |
| sinzui | So nothing has changed, though a script may be taking longer to run | 23:39 |
| sinzui | there are no karma script wanings in my inbox at the moment | 23:40 |
| maxb | Any reason not to simply remove that conditional message entirely, for a net better display of info? | 23:44 |
| sinzui | maxb. I was just thinking that. The message doesn't seem to work in any case | 23:47 |
| sinzui | I think the change was made about the time we decided karma was dead horse | 23:47 |
| wgrant | micahg, sinzui: The karma script would have been killed half-way through last night for the rollout. | 23:51 |
| wgrant | It's a bit of a silly script, so it will leave things in a terribly inconsistent state until it runs again in 8 hours. | 23:51 |
| micahg | ah, so it probably started and never finished | 23:52 |
| * maxb wonders when the losa assigned questions will next get processed :-/ | 23:53 | |
| wgrant | maxb: We have a new LOSA this week, so things may start happening soonish maybe :) | 23:53 |
| maxb | that would be nice | 23:53 |
| maxb | It's a bit suboptimal that trivial jobs for one who has access get left pending for days at a time :-/ | 23:54 |
| Chex | maxb: that would be me this week, sorry, been pretty busy, will tackle those tomorrow | 23:54 |
| maxb | thanks :-) | 23:54 |
| Chex | maxb: do you have one specifically you need done now? | 23:54 |
| mbarnett | this iis very true. | 23:54 |
| maxb | Tomorrow will be fine | 23:55 |
| Chex | maxb: ok, thanks | 23:55 |
| lifeless | maxb: we've new losas coming on board soon | 23:55 |
| maxb | there are only two queued anyway :-) | 23:55 |
| mbarnett | maxb: we might have to look at how we manage that task to avoid letting easy tasks slip for days. | 23:55 |
| * mbarnett already has a couple ideas. | 23:55 | |
| lifeless | mbarnett: drive to zero, keep there ;) | 23:56 |
| maxb | That sounds like a great idea :-) | 23:56 |
| mbarnett | lifeless: too easy! i want something far more complicated with algorithms and processes! | 23:56 |
| mbarnett | everything filed in triplicate | 23:56 |
| mbarnett | using actual carbon paper | 23:57 |
| maxb | Is there enough capacity that someone could have a rotation each day for doing stuff that is trivial, and leaving a "This is complex, we'll get to it later" comment on things that are not? | 23:57 |
| lifeless | monofilament carbon weave? | 23:57 |
| lifeless | maxb: in a month or so, maybe | 23:57 |
| mbarnett | maxb: that is how it is supposed to work right now, but once we have a few more heads actually trained up, we should be able to come up with a more failproof system to ensure that at least the easy stuff doesn't hang around. | 23:58 |
| spm | surely not atm. trivial is kinda a misnomer as well. anything trivial or not, is a mental switch from whatever you're doing. given that for most of my day I'm typically doing 2-3 things in parallel, all day long. "trivial" isn't. | 23:58 |
| * mbarnett says confidently speaking for everyone, which he has no authority to do. | 23:59 | |
| spm | :-) | 23:59 |
| mbarnett | spm: 2 or 3 NOTHINGS! | 23:59 |
| spm | sush. lets not spoil the illusion I have cunningly woven here | 23:59 |
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