[00:13] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you using any btrfs partitions at the moment?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:13] <BUGabundo> and boot is slow as never
[00:13] <BUGabundo> damn
[00:13] <bjsnider> really. how slow?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> like over a minute boot time
[00:13] <bjsnider> just with natty?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> let me upload the logs
[00:14] <BUGabundo> don't have anything else
[00:14] <bjsnider> yeah but you had a btrfs partition with maverick right?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: they will be at http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ soon
[00:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not sure :S
[00:16] <BUGabundo> tooooo long agoi
[00:16] <mrdeb> 1104 is #1 woohoo
[00:17] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i wonder if this is bug 716736
[00:17] <BUGabundo> maybe
[00:17] <mrdeb> who uses anything but ext4
[00:17] <bjsnider> i'm not using it as root and it's clearly slowing boot times here
[00:17] <searayman> just installed natty, do i installed natty how do i set up dual moitors to not be mirrors?
[00:19] <mrdeb> is ubuntu 10.04 64 bit worth it
[00:21] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: started on BluBUG-natty-20110402-1.png
[00:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: and copy files in BTRFS/SSD seem *extremely* slow
[00:28] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i can't see the expanded version, so there's not enough detail
[00:28] <BUGabundo> sure there is
[00:28] <BUGabundo> click on the right side
[00:28] <BUGabundo> but I've uploaded them to the bug
[00:29] <BUGabundo> 100MBs to upload
[00:29] <BUGabundo> gonna take a while
[00:30] <searayman> anyone here usign natty with dual moitors?
[00:30] <mrdeb> no
[00:30] <searayman> Cause i got it to stop mirrorign but the bar on top appears on both screens
[00:30] <mrdeb> does anyone kno how to purge banshee to heck
[00:31] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, there are a bunch of 85+ sec. btrfs processes in your bootchart
[00:31] <BUGabundo> haumpf
[00:31] <bjsnider> can't be designed that way, right?
[00:31] <searayman> does compiz work with natty?
[00:31] <bjsnider> i mean it's not supposed to do that
[00:31] <ali1234> searayman: yes, unity uses it
[00:32] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: if you look at the older ones, it doesn't
[00:32] <ali1234> searayman: so does classic
[00:32] <searayman> ali1234: how do i know if its on or not?
[00:32] <mrdeb> compiz is borken in 1104 searayman
[00:32] <mrdeb> you should use classic no effect desktop, then all is good
[00:32] <ali1234> since when?
[00:32] <ali1234> it's working here
[00:32] <mrdeb> always
[00:32] <ali1234> um... no
[00:32] <mrdeb> you must e lucky
[00:32] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that bug was reported on feb 10 and no one has noticed it
[00:32] <searayman> well i am not on classic and things seem to be workign fine
[00:33] <ali1234> mrdeb: did you upgrade from maverick?
[00:33] <mrdeb> no
[00:33] <mrdeb> i did a daily build
[00:33] <ali1234> what graphics card?
[00:33] <mrdeb> windows are blank and programs crash out to log in screen
[00:33] <mrdeb> nvidia
[00:33] <searayman> i have no idea
[00:33] <ali1234> ah
[00:33] <ali1234> not tested nvidia yet
[00:33] <mrdeb> doesnt matter
[00:33] <ali1234> sure it does
[00:33] <mrdeb> i use class gnome no effects
[00:33] <ali1234> compiz works fine on intel
[00:33] <mrdeb> classic
[00:34] <ali1234> with both unity and classic
[00:34] <mrdeb> how much ram are you using
[00:34] <ali1234> i dunnno about 500mb?
[00:34] <mrdeb> i get 700mb on start up
[00:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: strange
[00:34] <BUGabundo> I had nothing that old
[00:34] <mrdeb> with nvidia drive installed, not even using compiz
[00:34] <ali1234> that machine is 32 bit
[00:34] <mrdeb> without nvidia it was 250
[00:34] <mrdeb> so what is going on here
[00:34] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, maybe you know who to ping
[00:35] <ali1234> on the 64 bit machine i see about 900mb in use
[00:35] <ali1234> but 200 of that is from gvfsd
[00:35] <mrdeb> yeah
[00:35] <mrdeb> 32bit is 700
[00:35] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no idea who :\
[00:35] <BUGabundo> its like it btrfs.fsck on *every* boot
[00:36] <BUGabundo> let me try to downgrade btrfs tools
[00:37] <bjsnider> it's definitely doing a fsck, but so is fsck.ext4
[00:37] <mrdeb> i coudlnt run 1104 on a computer with 512mb ram
[00:37] <mrdeb> had to go back to 1004
[00:37] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  658K 2011-04-01 20:05 btrfs-tools_0.19+20100601-3ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[00:37] <BUGabundo> don't have an older one :(
[00:38] <mrdeb> so is natty a sperm whale
[00:38] <mrdeb> is that why those logos are in the background
[00:39] <searayman> how do i acces my firefox settings, i seee no files options etc at the top of the screen for firefox...
[00:39] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, if it's ureadahead it could be pitti. his name is on a couple of the uploads
[00:39] <Pici> "Narwhal"
[00:41] <mrdeb> searayman: tools options
[00:41] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i wonder what would happen to boot times if you removed btrfs-tools?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I wonder if it would even boot
[00:41] <searayman> mrdeb: where are tools options? I dont see it anywhere
[00:41] <BUGabundo> btrfs has no native kernel support
[00:42] <mrdeb> searayman: edit, preferences from the mneu
[00:42] <bjsnider> the fs driver has to be in the kernel
[00:42] <BUGabundo> let me try
[00:42] <BUGabundo> if I don't come back
[00:43] <BUGabundo> its all your fault :P
[00:43] <bjsnider> i think btrfs-tools is to create and fsck the filesystem
[00:44] <searayman> mrdeb: thats the things i dont see anymenue for firefox at the top liek i do for other pplications
[00:45] <BUGabundo> rebooting
[00:45] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[00:45] <mrdeb> searayman: you hav eto move to where the gnome panel normally is, and it will show you those
[00:45] <ddbt-nl> is the snapping of the terminal to one half of the screen already reported as a bug? it does not snap completely and it still leaves some space around the corners. this looks sloppy.
[00:46] <arand> ddbt-nl: I think all snapping is done like this, and by design.
[00:47] <searayman> mrdeb: yea see they appear fofr other applications just not firefox
[00:47] <ddbt-nl> arand: please try it and see it is not the same as with other apps
[00:48] <mrdeb> searayman: that is weird. try maximizing maybe or not. or go ito classic desktop to chagne the settings
[00:48] <mrdeb> i have to go now adios
[00:48] <ddbt-nl> arand: take a look at the space on the right size and at the bottom
[00:48] <arand> I'll check, I though it was for all apps
[00:48] <ddbt-nl> arand: *side
[00:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: back
[00:49] <ddbt-nl> arand: nope, the terminal behaves differently to for instance firefox or nautilu
[00:49] <BUGabundo> safe and soun
[00:49] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that was fast
[00:49] <arand> BUGabundo: btrfs issues I heard?
[00:49] <BUGabundo> (with no btrfs tools LOL)
[00:50] <arand> What does btrfsck actually do on boot when iit doesn't as in my case, just fail completely?
[00:50] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, of course without that package you wouldn't be able to fsck the partition should there be a problem
[00:51] <arand> Well btrfsck can't repair things anyways ;)
[00:51] <BUGabundo> arand: oh yes it can
[00:51] <bjsnider> arand, it seems to be slowing down boot times if there's a btrfs partition involved
[00:51] <bjsnider> either that or ureadahead
[00:51] <arand> Afaik, current version is read-only
[00:52] <arand> I know the current btrfsck tool isn't particularly fast no
[00:52] <bjsnider> arand, it's being executed every boot
[00:52] <arand> It was completely disabled from even checking on boot until the last update
[00:52] <bjsnider> not just every 30 boots
[00:52] <BUGabundo> stupid pidgin X stack
[00:52] <BUGabundo> leaving labels on my screen :(
[00:53] <arand> I guess it fails to fsck and mark it as clean then?
[00:53] <bjsnider> arand, you seem to know more about it than we do
[00:53] <bjsnider> arand, there's a bug related to this, 716736
[00:53] <arand> bug #716736
[00:54] <ddbt-nl> and what about the terminal snapping bug?
[00:55] <arand> bjsnider: Well, I got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/btrfs-tools/+bug/748340 In the recent update, due to messy snapshot tree strcture I can only assume...
[00:55] <bjsnider> arand, i think we're running into something different here
[00:55] <bjsnider> arand, that's more like it
[00:55] <arand> Hmm, probably
[00:56] <arand> What, that's what you are seeing as well?
[00:56] <BUGabundo> very slow boot times
[00:56] <BUGabundo> slow copying files
[00:56] <bjsnider> it's doing an fsck and failing. and it's taking forever
[00:56] <BUGabundo> *very* slow apt
[00:56] <BUGabundo> though that was fixed
[00:57] <arand> Hmm, that sounds possbly like a separate issue, I just get downright fail, not slowdons or such...
[00:58] <bjsnider> arand, you have to intervene to boot the system?
[00:58] <arand> ddbt-nl: Ah, remebered I was using classic on the VM, can't check it I'm afraid, you should bugreport it though, on either, unity or gnome-terminal...
[00:58] <arand> bjsnider: Yea.
[00:59] <ddbt-nl> is that on launchpad? (it is my first time to write a bug report)
[01:00] <arand> bjsnider: Current btrfsck version on ubuntu just fails when run against my btrfs, If I grab the debian version, it works externally, but I can't manage to get it working nicely with mpountall it seems
[01:00] <arand> ddbt-nl: Yes, but run "ubuntu-bug unity" in the terminal and it will automate a bit for you
[01:00] <ddbt-nl> thank you
[01:01] <ddbt-nl> i will try and see what i can do
[01:01] <BUGabundo> what the.... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=149803
[01:02] <arand> ddbt-nl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/710271
[01:02] <arand> ddbt-nl: Quoted: "This bug can still be seen in gnome-terminal but I'm not seeing the effect as strongly in nautilus."
[01:03] <ddbt-nl> i know.. so it isn't completeyly fixed?
[01:05] <arand> ddbt-nl: It was apparently fixed for most applications, but gnome-terminal's way of using fixed-size resising seems to still be incompatible, you might want to ask on that bug report if a new bug should be filed against gnome-terminal or if the bug should be re-opened..
[01:05] <ddbt-nl> hmm, gotta create a launchpad account first then
[01:06] <arand> BUGabundo: If you run btrfsck from a liveCD, how long does that take?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> arand: usually seconds
[01:07] <ddbt-nl> and what about the "ugly" wide wireless network icon.. we used to have such a wonderful small icon for it..
[01:10] <arand> BUGabundo: Seems like btrfsck is all kinds of wonky =) Might've been better to follow debian's example and just leave it disabled ;)
[01:10] <BUGabundo> hehee
[01:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i guess we should leave the package uninstalled
[01:11] <BUGabundo> :(
[01:11] <bjsnider> arand, maybe there's a stable upstream version?
[01:12] <arand> The problem is, upstream is working on the new spanking btrfsck, that can actually fix problems it discovers, so I'm not sure there will be much chance of good updates for this "old", read-only btrfsck
[01:12] <bjsnider> arand, you're not giving me much confidence in btrfs-tools
[01:12] <arand> Well the easies way to diable btrfsck atm is just to unlink /sbin/fsck.btrfs so it doesn't point to btrfsck
[01:13] <arand> That way mountall will just go "can't find it, fsck it" and move on, like it was before it was enabled in the latest version
[01:15] <arand> bjsnider: Well it's just the fsck tool that's lacking I guess.
[01:52] <searayman> when I have multiple firefox windows open and minimize one or two I can not get them back unless i minimize all of them. ANyone else have this bug?
[02:13] <AnubArack> when i try to run time and date settings nothing happens
[02:30] <ninwa> Hey all, does anybody know if it's possible to cause the launcher to take up the whole screen?
[02:30] <ninwa> Or whatever the name is for the ubuntu button in the top left :) (Natty)
[02:30] <ninwa> and of course I mean by default. I do know there's an expand button
[02:32] <Kevin1a> It does on my netbook so yes
[02:32] <Kevin1a> You mean the launcher you get when you hit the super button right?
[02:33] <ninwa> yeah, it does on my laptop too
[02:33] <ninwa> but on my desktop it doesn't
[02:33] <ninwa> (larger screen :p)
[02:33] <ninwa> (and well, resolution, which is whats important :)
[02:34] <AnubArack> It's annoying that you cant drag and drop from the lens to the launcher -_-
[02:34] <Kevin1a> Yep, I know it's supposed to decide automatically, based on your screen size.  Having said that, I'm almost certain there will be a config file somewhere you can edit to tell it to always open fullscreen.  Unfortunetly, there is no config utility yet. :(
[02:35] <ninwa> Kevin1a, minor annoyance at worse so I'll poke around for a config file, but you're right if it doesn't already exist im sure there will be some way to change it
[02:35] <ninwa> in a gui
[02:36] <AnubArack> Ubuntu Tweak, dooh
[02:36] <Kevin1a> I'm searching / right now to see if I can find something.
[02:36] <ali1234> there's a button in the bottom right corner, if you click it, it fills the screen
[02:36] <ali1234> however, it doesn't actually show you any more useful stuff
[02:36] <ninwa> it does, but it doesn't stay that way if you click it again
[02:36] <ninwa> if you close and open the window again I mean
[02:37] <ali1234> yeah
[02:38] <AnubArack> an you guys access the Date and Time ?
[02:38] <ninwa> ok, well maybe I can move on to a second problem :p, before upgrading to natty my speakers worked, now they dont. my usb headset has continue d working however. I've tried everything I can in sound preferences
[02:38] <ninwa> maybe I should reinstall alsa / pulse?
[02:39] <ninwa> AnubArack, the config app? works form e
[02:39] <ninwa> for me*
[02:39] <AnubArack> it does not for me :( not in the sys tray and not in the settings menu
[02:39] <AnubArack> just won't start anything
[02:40] <ninwa> AnubArack, try reinstalling it using the software center
[02:40] <ali1234> can i turn off the "apps available for download" thing?
[02:41] <Kevin1a> @Ninwa: I couldn't find a config file.  Perhaps someone who gets on later will know, or maybe ask on the forums.  In regards to Pulseaudio, it's the closest thing to a linux virus.  I am a huge Fedora fan, but their use of Pulseaudio, is like a 10/10 hot chick that secretly has a penis.  Are you using a pretty typical soundcard, or do you have some kind of speacial hardware?
[02:42] <ninwa> Kevin1a, I actually just discovered something kind of funny, the speakers actually work, it's just the "test speakers" button that doesn't
[02:42] <ali1234> if "a pretty typical soundcard" = intel HDA, then...
[02:42] <ninwa> I was making sure they worked in the preferences before switching back to my speakers without actually having played any audio through anything else
[02:42] <ninwa> so disregard :]
[02:42] <ninwa> Kevin1a, that said, thank you for investigating the config file, if I find anything I'll let you know
[02:42] <Kevin1a> Hmmmm, I wonder if it reverted to alsa or something, and that's why the test doesn't work.  Either way, as long as they work!
[02:43] <ali1234> if you remove pulseaudio you lose ability to adjust volume, at least you do on maverick
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> there is no pretty typical intel hda they all need different quirks to get the jacks right
[02:43] <ali1234> so it's pretty easy to tell if that happened :)
[02:43] <AnubArack> what's the keyboard shortcut to toggle workspaces ?
[02:44] <ali1234> h3sp4wn: not just the jacks... the random drop outs ae pretty annoying too
[02:44] <ali1234> but strangely it only happens with pulse :)
[02:44] <AnubArack> nevermind. it's Super-S
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> so use oss4
[02:44] <ali1234> bwahahahaha
[02:44] <ali1234> yeah right
[02:44] <Kevin1a> If you remove pulseaudio, you can install alsa-mixer and some other package that will put a different volume control in your panel.
[02:44] <ali1234> then instead of losing sound in 1 app, i can get a nice kernel crash
[02:44] <ali1234> good stuff
[02:44] <ali1234> anyway i'll stop trolling now :)
[02:45] <ninwa> Kevin1a, it just occurred to me, such a setting would be someting configured in compiz
[02:45] <ali1234> i'm happy with just alsa, and using the volume control on my speakers :)
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> anyway what i need to know is r600 working properly on the beta
[02:46] <ali1234> one day i might buy a proper sound card to replace this onboard junk
[02:46] <ninwa> and settings for unity compiz plugin exist, nothing to make it full-screened though
[02:47] <Kevin1a> Ubuntu has always been the best distro for recognising my hardware.  So far the only thing that is giving me problems is the bluetooth.  I always have to run /etc/init.d/bluetooth/ restart or something like that to make it work.  I'm probably just going to make it a script and set it as a startup program.    That's fruestrating, hopefully we'll get some kind of config tool before the final release.
[02:48] <Kevin1a> The second part of my comment was in regards to compiz, no confusion. :D
[03:22] <mrdeb> how often are 1104 packages updated daily
[03:22] <ceed^> Anyone tried to install Google Earth on natty (all updates)? I did and it runs but fonts are unreadable.
[03:22] <mrdeb> no. google is evil
[03:22] <rww> mrdeb: ... when changes are made?
[03:22] <ceed^> mrdeb: I know. Someone feeling the need to say they're not, are.
[03:22] <mrdeb> hmm?
[03:23] <ceed^> Google Earth is a pretty amazing app tho...
[03:24] <mrdeb> who is running 1104
[03:25] <rww> mrdeb: Presumably most of the channel.
[03:25] <mrdeb> not based on them not answering my qs
[03:26] <rww> mrdeb: Perhaps that's because they're not here, or don't feel a desire to answer questions that don't make sense.
[03:26] <mrdeb> really
[03:27] <mrdeb> well that rules my case out
[03:27] <rww> If all 243 people were around and talking at once, that'd be... interesting.
[03:27] <mrdeb> do you know if today's 38 kernel has the speed patch?
[03:28] <Chr|s> !natty
[03:28] <Chr|s> !schedule
[03:31] <mrdeb> the sound driver is improved
[03:31] <ali1234> mrdeb: check the gitweb
[03:32] <mrdeb> i dont know what tmeans
[03:32] <micahg> mrdeb: are you referring to the scheduler?
[03:33] <rww> The speed patch that came out months ago? Yes, it does.
[03:37] <somethinginteres> getting a prompt to enter a "keyring password" for my "login keyring" after login on 11.04. It says it is b/c it didn't get unlocked when I logged in. I have not set up any keyring or separate password to my a/c login
[03:38] <eoin_> somethinginteres: use account password
[03:38] <eoin_> somethinginteres: it happens when yoou have autologin enbled
[03:39] <somethinginteres> eoin_: thanks,  I entered that, it didn't seem to work.
[03:42] <arand> somethinginteres: Using an empty password?
[03:43] <tonyyarusso> Anyone else unable to start the installer on Beta 1, i386?  Bunch of terminal errors, even when just trying to do the integrity check.
[03:44] <somethinginteres> arand: perhaps. None was explicitly set. I am just going to disable autologin
[03:55] <ninwa> How do I stop new windows from spawning with their title bars hidden by the top panel? It seems to happen pretty regularly and prevents me from being able to move them.
[04:01] <digitalfiz> ninwa, hold alt and click the window and drag it down
[04:01] <digitalfiz> thats the only fix right now i know of
[04:01] <digitalfiz> you can click anywhere in the window while holding alt and it will grab the window so you can move it
[04:03] <ninwa> digitalfiz, useful tip, thank you :)
[04:03] <ninwa> digitalfiz, have you experienced the problem im referring to though?
[04:03] <digitalfiz> np it was getting me too the folders would do that to me almost everytime and its very aggrevating
[04:03] <ninwa> ah
[04:03] <ninwa> :]
[04:04] <digitalfiz> gedit does too
[04:16] <kubu2> why is rekonq telling me to install flash when it's already installed?
[04:17] <ninwa>  /join #imgur
[04:41] <searayman> is there anyway to re-order the launchers on the unity bar?
[04:49] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[05:05] <Chr|s> anyone having issues activating video card?
[05:06] <somethinginteres> Chris: not for my Nvidia card. If you get errors you should join #ubuntu-bugs and ask for help in submiting a report
[05:08] <Chr|s> alright thanks
[05:24] <j2cool> where is enable desktop effects located in 11.04?
[05:24] <j2cool> it is no longer in appearance
[05:47] <ceed^> Can't get to omgubuntu at all now. I know they were being attacked. Wonder what it is this time.
[05:48] <c00lryguy> Anyone know how i could install libasound on natty?
[05:52] <woonix> apt-get install libasound2
[05:52] <c00lryguy> I have a ruby library that depends on libasound and isnt working with libasound2
[05:53] <c00lryguy> if i change the dependencies in the file to libasound2.. would it work the same?
[05:54] <woonix> sounds iffy
[05:55] <c00lryguy> looks like im gonna actually need to program
[05:55] <woonix> hopefully that is less iffy
[05:56] <woonix> ;)
[05:56] <c00lryguy> why is it so dead in here anyways?
[05:56] <rypervenche> Becuase we're all afraid of Unity O_o
[05:56] <c00lryguy> lol
[05:57] <rypervenche> It could attack at any given moment. Guard yourself well friend!
[05:57] <UndiFineD> c00lryguy, it is near 7am here
[05:57] <c00lryguy> alright well imma ghost and try to figure that out =p
[05:57] <rww> because #ubuntu+1 doesn't get really really busy until right before release
[05:57] <c00lryguy> makes sense
[05:58] <rww> http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccountall/_ubuntu+1.html is fun to look at :)
[05:59] <rypervenche> lol
[06:23] <zaery> anyone know if the ati proprietary drivers work on natty yet? specifically the 6970m
[06:25] <LetoThe2nd> howdy! just noticed, since tomorrows morning my natty refuses to boot: it gets stuck forever when trying to get the disks to work.
[06:25] <LetoThe2nd> gnah, since todays morning.
[06:25] <LetoThe2nd> when i sysrq reisub, i see that it's stuck somewhere in udev.
[06:27] <arand> You using btrfs?
[06:27] <LetoThe2nd> arand: yep.
[06:28] <arand> Might be the fsck hanging up, had a similar report of that.
[06:28] <arand> Temporary fix is to unlink /sbin/fsck.btrfs
[06:29] <LetoThe2nd> hm, how to do that without getting into the system?
[06:29] <arand> https://launchpad.net/bugs/716736
[06:29] <arand> A liveCD?
[06:30] <Chr|s> zaery: I am having issues with my ATI drivers as well
[06:30] <LetoThe2nd> arand: hehe, i'm on a train and using a netbook :-/
[06:31] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Hmm, I wonder if the "fastboot" kernel parameter would do the equivalent...
[06:33] <LetoThe2nd> arand: is "wonder" like "you got a 99% chance" or more like "just guessing"? one try will cost me ~10minutes.
[06:34] <LetoThe2nd> if you say its more guesswork, i'll stick with $otheros for now and look into it once i'm back at office tonight.
[06:34] <arand> Yea, it's just guesswork
[06:36] <LetoThe2nd> arand: ok, thanks. we'll see what the evening brings then.
[06:36] <arand> Also seems like in plymouth you'd ned to use C or S keys whilst it's running instead, but yea, it sounds like the time for poking at this is later
[06:37] <LetoThe2nd> arand: yeah, i get offered these jeys, but only when using the previous version. the current version just gets stuck saying nothing.
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> How do I move window buttons to the right for when the window is maximized?
[07:03] <rww> tonyyarusso: I assume !controls doesn't work?
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> !controls
[07:03] <htorque> tonyyarusso, not possible
[07:04] <rww> joy
[07:04] <tonyyarusso> rww: No, that only changes when it's not maximized.
[07:04] <tonyyarusso> htorque: WTF?  Really?
[07:04] <htorque> well, not afaik
[07:04] <rww> I think I'm going to ignore #ubuntu for the otter release cycle. It's going to be headacheful.
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> yarly
[07:05] <arand> More headacheful because of?
[07:05] <rww> no! i will not bring up yet another discussion of that in here :3
[07:05] <bazhang> default unity
[07:05] <htorque> the problem with moving them to the right likely is the variable size of the indicators on the right - you'd never have a constant place for the controls
[07:06] <arand> Oh, well, maybe..
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> I've yet to see one of the indicators - what is this groundbreaking feature that justifies breaking everything else?
[07:07] <arand> Going to be a bit tricky to give UI support since you can't run unity in kvm :/
[07:08] <htorque> tonyyarusso, the indicators aren't the problem. the problem is that you maximize the window to the top panel - that would also have been a problem with gnome-panel + applets
[07:32] <Kevin1a> I think I found a bug, can someone try and replicate it before I report it?  When I am at the login screen after a restart I put in the wrong password and the "incorrect password" message showed under the "login" and "cancel" buttons instead of on its own line.  Can someone test this really quick.  I'm running the Natty Beta, just updated the packages right before the restart so everything should be up to date.
[07:34] <Kevin1a> Hmmm, after logout, it doesn't do it again.  I hate dissapearing bugs more than normal bugs because they're harder to fix
[07:35] <arand> Yea, I just get Authfail at the normal position
[07:46] <gordonjcp> how can I get rid of that annoying "System problem detected" error dialogue?
[07:46] <gordonjcp> ideally replacing it with something actually useful
[07:51] <arand> Well it's apport catching an application crash I assume, it can be turned off, though Ideally you should be reporting them bugs..
[07:53] <arand> gordonjcp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed Instructions for apport presumably works in reverse...
[08:06] <jussi> has anyone else got issues with installing flashplugin in natty?
[08:07] <micahg> jussi: well, there were some issues with kpackagekit + flashplugin-installer, but I thought that was fixed
[08:08] <jussi> micahg: wait a sec, pastebin.
[08:08] <jussi> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590090/
[08:09] <micahg> jussi: do you have a coredump from the nspluginwrapper crash?
[08:10] <jussi> micahg: no idea - where would I find it? I can reproduce it everytime...
[08:10] <micahg> jussi: /var/crash?
[08:12] <jussi> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590093/
[08:13] <jussi> micahg: and: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590092/
[08:13] <micahg> jussi: that wasn't a good idea
[08:13] <jussi> uhoh?
[08:15] <bp0> ubuntu beta 1 cause vbox to crash
[08:23] <jussi> ok, removed the google talk plugin, and now no probs. weird.
[08:24] <jussi> perhaps because it was an upgraded system, and a remnant from maverick
[08:24] <micahg> third party libs seem to break stuff in weird ways
[08:24] <jussi> yeah :(
[08:24] <jussi> thanks for helping me sort it out micahg
[08:25] <micahg> jussi: no problem
[08:25]  * jussi goes back to watching rubbish on youtube insteqad of working :P
[08:26] <micahg> jussi: you can try the new gnash :)
[08:26] <jussi> is it worth a look now?
[08:26] <micahg> I uploaded 0.8.9 earlier today I think
[08:26] <micahg> seems to be pretty good w/youtube
[08:27] <jussi> ok, so I remove flashplugin-installer and install gnash? or?
[08:27] <micahg> doesn't seem to work with streamtheworld
[08:27] <micahg> jussi: you can just install gnash, it should be  used in place of adobe flash
[08:27] <micahg> it currently uses an alternative (yuck)
[08:28] <micahg> jussi: err, browser-plugin-gnash that is :)
[08:28] <jussi> hrm, still uses flash
[08:30] <jussi> ok, trifle slower to load than flsh, but works after removing flashplugin-installer
[08:31] <Chr|s> this is the issue I have after activating my ati graphics driver. http://imgur.com/fGonM
[08:31] <Chr|s> it activates fine, but unable to do anything unfortunally
[08:36] <Chr|s> anyone having issues creating a PGP key?
[08:36] <Chr|s> I create one and try to export it to launchpad and get error
[08:36] <Chr|s> it is in my keyring
[08:40] <MasterUbuntu> I am currently testing counters on unity launchers
[08:40] <MasterUbuntu> It it doesn't look like it works well
[08:40] <MasterUbuntu> has anyone played with them before?
[08:42] <MasterUbuntu> hmm well will have to log the bugs with knowledge i have
[08:43] <Kevin1a> It must be logging this information already since super+a brings up a most frequently used dialogue
[08:43] <Kevin1a> just not displaying it
[09:44] <rapha> Hi all!
[09:44] <rapha> Is there a _sensible_ way of running Hamster-Applet inside Unity?
[09:50] <akavlie> rapha, I have the same problem
[09:50] <akavlie> rapha, not sure there is. Sounds like the app isn't really prepared for either Unity or Gnome 3.0.
[09:53] <rapha> hmmm
[09:53] <rapha> too bad he went away
[09:54] <rapha> i KNOW there is - just did a reinstall and cant remember anymore
[09:54] <rapha> oh
[09:54] <rapha> wait
[09:54] <rapha> wrong channel :P
[09:54] <rapha> yeah, lots of apps arent
[09:54] <rapha> unity is immature, is what it is
[09:54] <rapha> and should be delayed one release
[09:55] <rapha> cant understand shuttleworth's head-against-wall attitude with crazy changes such as this one
[09:55] <popey> I can
[09:55] <popey> but I wouldn't characterise it as "crazy"
[09:56] <rapha> ask the "normal user" type and you'll get a couple thousand ppl who will
[09:56] <rapha> which is unfortunatey since those are the ones jumping ship if they get too confused
[09:57] <popey> i dont believe thats true
[09:57] <rapha> me, i'll set up the classical desktop for every 11.04 install until unity becomes mature
[09:57] <akavlie> Just finished the 11.04 install myself; after trying Unity on a netbook I went straight to classic desktop here.
[09:57] <popey> I know "normal users" who would like unity
[09:57] <rapha> well i've upgraded ubuntu for ppl who then complained about the sound menu looking "so different, why do they have to change it"
[09:57] <rapha> (9.04 to 9.10 i think that specific change was)
[09:58] <popey> would they prefer to use CDE on solaris from 10 years ago?
[09:58] <popey> stuff changes
[09:58] <popey> the best thing advocates and support people can do is help people through change
[09:58] <rapha> yeah and with things like the sound menu i can explain and they'll be reasonable and adapt
[09:58] <rapha> but with something like unity it's just totally different. so at least it should work without glitches.
[09:59] <popey> its not "totally different"
[09:59] <popey> there are windows, menus, icons, alt-tab..
[09:59] <popey> same apps
[09:59] <rapha> it is if you put away your pink developer glasses for a minute
[09:59] <popey> the launcher/shell is different, granted
[09:59] <popey> but not so wild that it's unusable
[09:59] <gordonjcp> popey: completely different, and less usable
[10:00] <popey> there's a big fat firefox icon
[10:00] <popey> I wonder what that does!
[10:00] <rapha> it is *so much* different that everyday software like Hamster won't work anymore
[10:00] <gordonjcp> is that the orange square?
[10:00] <popey> its a firefox icon
[10:00] <popey> a firefox
[10:00] <gordonjcp> popey: I don't know what that is
[10:00] <popey> the same icon they have had for ~years
[10:00] <gordonjcp> it's all just squares
[10:00] <popey> we have had this conversation before gordonjcp
[10:00] <rapha> the "easiest tasks" stuff isn't the problem popey. the problem is the not-in-the-default-install everyday-software ppl use
[10:00] <akavlie> I actually really like seeing new UI approaches and concepts. But Unity seems to strip back functionality in a lot of ways.
[10:01] <popey> rapha: such as?
[10:01] <rapha> popey: Hamster.
[10:01] <popey> !info hamster
[10:01] <gordonjcp> popey: and we'll no doubt continue to have it until the Ubuntu "designers" get it through their thick skulls that removing perfectly good text labels in place of anonymous squiggles is going to have an impact on an admittedly probably small segment of the user community
[10:01] <rapha> !info hamster-applet
[10:01] <popey> whats hamster?
[10:01] <popey> ahh, the time tracker doofer
[10:01] <rapha> what's a "doofer"?
[10:02] <popey> a "thing"
[10:02] <rapha> ah okay
[10:02] <rapha> cool a new word, thanks :)
[10:02] <gordonjcp> popey: the ALT-F2 functionality is a step backwards too
[10:02] <popey> heh
[10:02] <popey> gordonjcp: the menu is still available
[10:02] <popey> gordonjcp: you can still press ALT+F2 and type "firefo..." and get firefox
[10:02] <gordonjcp> popey: no, you can't
[10:03] <rapha> anything that "still works, but differently" can be argued about and is a matter of opinion
[10:03] <rapha> problem is if something doesnt work at all anymore
[10:03] <popey> gordonjcp: why not? F2 key broken?
[10:03] <gordonjcp> you can type "firefox" in full then wait a couple of seconds while it searches through all its possible autocompletes
[10:03] <akavlie> rapha, another problem I ran into with Unity: how do you access the Places menu? I use that all the time.
[10:03] <gordonjcp> if you type "firefox" and hit return straight away, it will do nothing
[10:04] <popey> rapha: its not opinion that the features are still there, thats fact, its opinion as to whether those features are better or not
[10:04] <rapha> akavlie: click "Home" and then you have a Nautilus window with all you need. More difficult but works.
[10:04] <popey> gordonjcp: works for me
[10:04] <gordonjcp> I just want ALT-F2 to attempt to run the command I type in, exactly the way I type it
[10:04] <rapha> popey: Hamster not working anymore is not an opinion. THAT is a fact.
[10:05] <popey> rapha: ok, i misunderstood
[10:05] <popey> rapha: is there a bug filed?
[10:05] <gordonjcp> popey: although, Unity is much more usable now I've got rid of the horrible drop shadows on the window
[10:05] <rapha> popey: btw, one which would be easily solvable by programming some sort of gnome-panel-swallower thing for unity
[10:05] <gordonjcp> right
[10:05] <rapha> popey: from what i could see, a dozen
[10:05]  * gordonjcp -> do some work
[10:05] <rapha> popey: wont be done for the release tho.
[10:05] <rapha> popey: Unity brings Ubuntu into a KDE4 position.
[10:05] <akavlie> rapha, yeah, I don't like that as it means you always have to start with the home folder if you want to connect to a machine via SSH for example.
[10:05] <popey> yeah, its certainly got issues with some apps
[10:06] <popey> good thing we have 10.10 and 10.04 :)
[10:06] <rapha> akavlie: same for me, but with that i can live for a while. these things will probably be ironed out by 11.11
[10:06] <popey> you don't _have_ to upgrade
[10:06] <grawcho_> hey dose someone know an alternative for kweb active dsktop for gnome ?
[10:06] <rapha> popey: it's just sad. but you'll see what i mean when the reviews start coming in hard.
[10:06] <akavlie> rapha, 11.10?
[10:07] <rapha> er yeah
[10:07] <rapha> 11.10
[10:07] <akavlie> funny thing is, half the reason I was eager to jump to 11.04 is that 10.10 was always crashing on me. Very unstable on my laptop.
[10:08] <popey> rapha: some reviews already have come in :)
[10:09] <akavlie> anyway, off to bed for me
[10:09] <rapha> popey: and e.g. The Register's isn't exactly favorable... bad press for Ubuntu
[10:10] <grawcho_> sorry to interupt ... but anyone ?
[10:10] <gordonjcp> !anyone | grawcho_
[10:11] <grawcho_> already did :dose someone know an alternative for kweb active dsktop for gnome ?
[10:14] <popey> grawcho_: i have no idea what kweb even is
[10:14] <popey> !info kweb
[10:15] <rapha> well anyway
[10:15] <rapha> with a bit of luck some of the quirks get ironed out
[10:15] <popey> rapha: yup, but then again right now some of the reviews are "its broken, its beta"
[10:15] <rapha> i've got to get on with work
[10:15] <rapha> popey: yeah right now that's the saving grace
[10:15] <rapha> anyway
[10:15] <rapha> see y'all and thanks for the discussion!
[10:19] <grawcho_> active desktop alternative foe KDE for showing url's or scripted images on the desktop
[10:44] <MikeChelen> how do you show the full path in nautilus?
[10:49] <zniavre> ctrl+l ?
[11:02] <bullgard4>  /etc/group shows the entry »video:x:44:detlef« on my Natty computer but why does it show »video:x:44:« on my Maverick computer?.
[11:03] <susundberg> Do you know what that lines means?
[11:03] <susundberg> I mean group file in general?
[11:04] <susundberg> please see 'man group' if unsure
[11:07] <mateo__> hello
[11:08] <mateo__> I think Unity is quite nice, but I see a big problem, how can I make the launcher icons "flash" until I have attended them
[11:08] <mateo__> not just once, otherwise I miss the events
[11:08] <bullgard4> susundberg: Do you know the answer to the question which I have put here?
[11:09] <susundberg> No i do not see whats the problem
[11:09] <susundberg> Another line has one user defined in the group one does not
[11:10] <bullgard4> In one case the list of users  of the group is empty in the other case it is not empty.
[11:10] <susundberg> yes, and the problem with that is?
[11:11] <susundberg> (mine natty video group is empty also btw)
[11:11] <bullgard4> Yes, that's the question which I havew put here.
[11:11] <susundberg> The problem is that its not empty?
[11:11] <yofel> bullgard4: well, *something* or *somebody* added detlef to the video group
[11:13] <bullgard4> yofel: Yes, and my question is why someone ore something added it to the video UNIX group but not in Maverick.
[11:14] <yofel> I'm totally clueless, maybe an package script of a package you installed? I'm not in the video group here
[11:14] <robot__> why the video shows in negative color when plays
[11:16] <robot__> why the video plays in negative color in any movie player
[11:19] <bullgard4> yofel: Thank you very much for commenting. (I have been experimenting with several video chat programs, and so far I did not pay attention to this Unix group entry yet. But I will watch it in the future.
[11:20] <yofel> robot__: sounds like your HUE setting is wrong
[11:20] <yofel> I've seen that go wrong with the nvidia driver in the past, it's fine here though currently
[11:21] <robot__> yofel: how to correct it? I did no change in settings.
[11:21] <yofel> no idea, depends on where the setting is wrong
[11:22] <yofel> someone else might have an idea, be patient
[11:24] <szonek> hi
[11:24] <szonek> i have a problem with Unity after update from 10.10
[11:24] <szonek> it starts but doesn't display any window
[11:25] <szonek> when i click where window should be displayed it gets displayed
[11:25] <szonek> so it sort of works but doesn't display a thing besides cursor and background
[11:28] <szonek> i tried to run unity with logging
[11:28] <szonek> and got:
 Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[11:29] <szonek> unity-window-decorator: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[11:29] <szonek> at the end of log
[11:41] <AnubArack> is kde usable on natty?
[11:42] <yofel> works fine here
[11:42] <AnubArack> haven't used kde in years. I see it's much more refined now
[12:03] <arand> Recent upgrdes messed with my boot bigtime...
[12:25] <arand> Oh there we go, grub removed my btrfs boot-parameters, how pleasant :3
[12:28] <popey> not sure I'd use btrfs yet
[12:29] <szonek> i have a problem with Unity after update from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 - it starts but doesn't display any window. when i click where window should be displayed it gets displayed. so it sort of works but doesn't display a thing besides cursor and background. i tried to run unity with logging and i got: <unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. unity-window-decorator: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavaila
[12:48] <coz_>  good day to all
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[12:59] <susundberg> Hi
[13:00] <BluesKaj> any breakage with new kernel? I haven't rebooted
[13:02] <arand> BluesKaj: Are you running btrfs?
[13:02] <coz_> BluesKaj,  key guy
[13:02] <coz_> susundberg,  hey
[13:04] <Chr|s> how do I access my launchpad page if I don't have access to my old email? I don't see any options
[13:04] <szonek> i have a problem with Unity after update from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 - it starts but doesn't display any window. when i click where window should be displayed it gets displayed. so it sort of works but doesn't display a thing besides cursor and background. i tried to run unity with logging and i got: <unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. unity-window-decorator: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavaila
[13:05] <Chr|s> oops wrong palce
[13:05] <Chr|s> szonek: patience bud :)
[13:06] <szonek> yeah i'm here for 2 hours know and your are the first one to respond ;-)
[13:06] <szonek> know=now
[13:06] <szonek> you are*
[13:06] <szonek> omg :D
[13:07] <Chr|s> szonek: yeah, IRC isn't instant help. Sorry. Sometimes have to wait for the right people. I idle in here and many other channels :)
[13:08] <szonek> Chr|s: know, but people are coming and going away so i try to repeat it
[13:09] <szonek> once every 30 minutes or so
[13:09] <szonek> Chr|s: sorry for typos, i'm not in the best condition today ;)
[13:13] <yofel> szonek: do you have a compiz crash in /var/crash/ ? That's what I get every time I try to login to unity
[13:15] <szonek> yofel: nope, only: _usr_bin_gnome-terminal.1000.crash  _usr_bin_unity.0.crash  _usr_bin_update-manager.0.crash
[13:17] <szonek>    File "/usr/bin/unity", line 72, in reset_unity_compiz_profile
[13:17] <szonek>      current_profile_schema = client.get_schema("/apps/compizconfig-1/current_profile")
[13:17] <szonek>  GError: Failed to contact configuration server; the most common cause is a missing or misconfigured D-Bus session bus daemon. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Failed to get connection to session: Command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=90248a76e5c2b081ce48657d4b8d96e2 --binary-syntax --close-stderr' exited with non-zero exit status 1: No protocol specified\nAutolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.\n)
[13:17] <szonek> UserGroups:
[13:17] <szonek> at the end of unity crash file
[13:17] <yofel> hm, X error indeed then, no idea why you would get that though
[13:19] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Ping, does update-grub on the latest -8 kernel correctly produce the rootflags=subvol=@ entry for you?
[13:25] <LetoThe2nd> arand: pong - just had a small peek into IRC. will let you know today evening (CEST), for I'm at a trade fair today. (gone again now)
[13:27] <arand> Hmm, anyone else with btrfs ouut ther atm care to test ^
[13:38] <BluesKaj> hi arand, coz_ .no I'm sticking with ext4
[13:38] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I like ext4 :)
[13:39]  * yofel had too bad experiences with ext4 in jaunty to jump immediately on the newest and shiniest file system out there
[13:40] <arand> Yea, I wouldn't really consider using btrfs on anything of importance, but it's a fun toy .)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> I don't mind a bit of bleeding edge , one can heal small wounds , but btrfs is totally new to me and it could cause a wound that won't heal :)
[13:41] <raniere_gomes> I have troubles in ubuntu 11.04....can someone help me?
[13:41] <jiohdi> what are btrfs?
[13:42] <arand> jiohdi: newage filesystem
[13:42] <jiohdi> arand, you have to rub it or think to it?
[13:42] <raniere_gomes> I used btrfs on SSD disks
[13:43] <yofel> raniere_gomes: what's the problem? (we won't know if we can help until we know the problem)
[13:43] <arand> jiohdi: bitbucket sacrifices ;)
[13:43] <yofel> ^^
[13:43] <raniere_gomes> yofel: I have problems when I trying to reproduce videos on any player
[13:44] <jiohdi> btw, incase anyone is interested.... docky now works with icewm and other formerly incompatibles like lxde
[13:45] <jiohdi> the icons do not pop, but its still better than 10.10's useless bottom
[13:45] <BluesKaj> raniere_gomes, , reproduce ? , do you mean copy or just play?
[13:45] <raniere_gomes> yofel: the problem is when I play the files, gdm crashes
[13:45] <jiohdi> docky with icewm really makes a netbook fly :)
[13:45] <raniere_gomes> yofel: and go back to login screen
[13:46] <raniere_gomes> yofel: very strange
[13:46] <raniere_gomes> I have looked on syslog for any information to solve this, without success...
[13:47] <raniere_gomes> yofel: have you seen this kind of problem?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> raniere_gomes, do you have mplayer installed ? if not install it and run your video from the cli , "mplayer /path/to/nameofvideo"
[13:50] <BluesKaj> then look at the error message when gdm crashes
[13:51] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, yes, I have installed mplayer, smplayer, vlc
[13:51] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, gstream codecs packs...
[13:52] <BluesKaj> raniere_gomes, in order to get an error message run mplayer in the terminal
[13:53] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, when I played the file on terminal, gdm crashes and go back to logon screen
[13:53] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, and show a msg on syslog
[13:54] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, gnome-session[1587]: WARNING: Detected that screensaver has left the bus
[13:55] <BluesKaj> run dmesg , raniere_gomes , and pastebin the output
[13:59] <raniere_gomes> BlueKaj, I will send to you by private msg
[14:03] <raniere_gomes> BlueKaj, irc crops the msg....
[14:04] <Pici> use a pastebin
[14:04] <Pici> !paste
[14:05] <raniere_gomes> Pici, like: !paste msgmsgmsgmsg, that's it?
[14:05] <Pici> raniere_gomes: No. Read what ubottu just said.
[14:06] <raniere_gomes> Pici, ok, I see now
[14:08] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/590228/
[14:13] <raniere_gomes> I hope that my problem can be solved, I need to see videos on ubuntu 11... but, always when run videos on any player, gnome (maybe gdm) crashes and return to logon screen
[14:16] <coz_>     guys I have to break here  ,, I will try to be back in a while
[14:20] <raniere_gomes> Someone can help with this?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> raniere_gomes, I have to ask the obvious , have you tried other video formats or is it just one particular video or ?
[14:21] <szonek> i have a problem with Unity after update from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 - it starts but doesn't display any window. when i click where window/icon should be displayed i see it works but still doesn't display a thing besides cursor and background. i tried to run unity with logging and i got: <unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. unity-window-decorator: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X ser
[14:21] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, I've tried with mkv and avi
[14:23] <raniere_gomes>  BluesKaj, Can I send you my syslog?
[14:25] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/590235/
[14:32] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, any ideas?
[14:33] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, I'm thinking to try another grafic interface....maybe it is a solution
[14:35] <BluesKaj> raniere_gomes, well, I think you're missing some gtk libs from the look of the log
[14:36] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, really? which ones?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> dunno for sure , but maybe a ubuntu-desktop reinstall will fix it , raniere_gomes
[14:40] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, do I need to reinstall the distro or just ubuntu-desktop package?
[14:42] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, I will mark on synaptic to reinstall ubuntu-desktop pck, ok?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> raniere_gomes, , just ubuntu-desktop
[14:42] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, ok
[14:46] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, I will try to play the files again, I will back ASAP
[14:47] <raniere_gomes> BluesKaj, Thanks for your time man
[15:11] <drmorphis_droid> hi guys
[15:25] <bullgard4> What is the UNIX group »rtkit:x:124:« entry for in my /etc/group in my T42 Natty
[15:25] <bullgard4> ?
[15:26] <rocky> wow compiz crashes on me a few times a day now :(
[15:27] <bullgard4> rocky: You better fetch an error message and report it-
[15:29] <nemo> bullgard4: realtime kit
[15:29] <nemo> ?
[15:30] <nemo> what about it
[15:30] <nemo> bullgard4: you're using pulseaudio no?
[15:30] <nemo> pulse isn't that bad anymore
[15:30] <nemo> also. that isn't just natty...
[15:30] <nemo> should be maverick and probably lucid too
[15:30] <bullgard4> nemo: I asked "What is it for" I am using pulseaudio, yes.
[15:31] <nemo> bullgard4: if you look up realtime kit in synaptic it says. "realtime scheduling for the pulseaudio dæmon"
[15:31] <nemo> sooo. I imagine it has to do w/ high performance sound :)
[15:32] <nemo> RealtimeKit is a D-Bus system service that changes the
[15:32] <nemo> scheduling policy of user processes/threads to SCHED_RR
[15:32] <nemo> (i.e. realtime scheduling mode) on request. It is intended to
[15:32] <nemo> be used as a secure mechanism to allow real-time scheduling to
[15:32] <nemo> be used by normal user processes.
[15:32] <nemo> and that one is from my maverick machine
[15:32] <nemo> I'm starting an ubuntu collection here :D
[15:38] <bullgard4> nemo: I found the description of the DEB program package »rtkit«. It is installed on my computer but the UNIX group »rtkit:x:124:« entry in my /etc/group in my Natty does not have any user. How come?
[15:39] <nemo> bullgard4: could have been an incomplete uninstall I guess
[15:39] <nemo> lemme look on my natty laptop
[15:39]  * nemo fires it up
[15:39] <nemo> oh. wait.
[15:39] <nemo> lol
[15:39] <BluesKaj> a v8?
[15:39]  * nemo forgot
[15:40] <nemo> bullgard4: your user group doesn't have your user either :-p
[15:40] <nemo> bullgard4: that's true of most services
[15:40] <szonek> i have a problem with Unity after update from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 - it starts but doesn't display any window. when i click where window/icon should be displayed i see it works but still doesn't display a thing besides cursor and background. i tried to run unity with logging and i got: <unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. unity-window-decorator: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X ser
[15:41] <nemo> szonek: dunno anything about the error, but could try  unity 2d or gnome classic
[15:41]  * nemo just learned about unity 2d yestereday
[15:41] <steveire> How can I enable the universe repo on a natty live cd? There is no /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:41] <nemo> personally I'm on gnome classic
[15:41] <szonek> nemo: how can i try unity 2d? :)
[15:41] <yofel> szonek: apt-get install unity-2d ;)
[15:41] <yofel> there will be an option at the login screen then
[15:41] <szonek> okay
[15:41] <szonek> thanks
[15:42] <szonek> i will try that
[15:42] <nemo> bullgard4: if you run grep rtkit /etc/group /etc/passwd
[15:42] <nemo> bullgard4: you'll see (no surprise) it is the default group for that user :)
[15:43] <Pici> steveire: Is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[15:50] <cryptk> so, I am reading on the Natty features page under the known bugs section that Unity is kinda crashy, but it seems that all of the bugs reported are in Fix Released status, is anyone still having Unity crash issues?
[15:51] <cryptk> I am reading through all of the info and determining if it is at a state that I can "semi-safely" beta test it
[15:52] <thiebaude> 11.04 is stable for me
[15:52] <thiebaude> :)
[15:52] <thiebaude> except for bug 725434
[15:53] <bullgard4> nemo: I can confirm your predictions. --  Thank you for commenting.
[15:58] <steveire> Pici: Hmm, not the sources.list file is there.
[15:59] <mns`> unity is fine here too
[15:59] <mns`> no crash yet
[16:00] <invisiblek> crashed on my reboot here after installing virtualbox guest additions :(
[16:02] <mns`> and i'm using it with a intel Integrated Graphics 945GM
[16:08] <cryptk> and bug 684083 is another one that concerns me as well
[16:08] <cryptk> but it seems that setting GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text and doing an update-grub fixes that one in the short term
[16:09] <jt13> is anyone using 11.04 yet?
[16:09] <Pici> Most of the people here.
[16:09] <jt13> sorry dumb question.
[16:10] <cryptk> ok, I am satisfied enough, updating to the beta
[16:10] <jt13> i just upgraded from 10.10 and now have no keyboard or mouse functionality of any kind. any one able to possibly help?
[16:10] <cryptk> luckily /home is on a separate partition so worst comes to worst I can recover pretty easy
[16:11]  * cryptk isn't sure if he will like unity or not, but is going in with an open mind
[16:11] <jt13> guess not
[16:11] <cryptk> jt13, did you check the logs for any hints?
[16:11] <cryptk> does the keyboard work in a recovery terminal?
[16:12] <jt13> i can't get into the logs. and yes it works in the recovery terminal. i just ran recovery to fix broken ppackages
[16:12] <cryptk> how can you not get into the logs?
[16:12] <cryptk> boot into recovery mode and check the output of dmesg
[16:12] <cryptk> and go into /var/log and run `grep -i error ./*
[16:12] <jt13> wait, is there a different way to check logs then system> prefs> boot logs?
[16:12] <cryptk> yeah
[16:13] <jt13> ok i'll try now
[16:13] <cryptk> run dmesg in recovery mode... and all of the logs are located in /var/logs/*
[16:13] <jt13> ok thanks. i'll check now
[16:13] <jt13> oh cool
[16:13] <cryptk> grep -i error /var/log/*
[16:13] <jt13> the repairing broken packages just finished and now it is running
[16:13] <cryptk> that will find any lines in /var/log that has error in it
[16:14] <jt13> meaning i have mouse and keyboard back
[16:14] <cryptk> NICE
[16:14] <jt13> so should i still do the logs?
[16:14] <cryptk> so all it was is some broken packages that were... uhm... breaking... things
[16:14] <jt13> basically.
[16:14] <cryptk> go figure broken things break things
[16:14] <jt13> i started the package repair as i was entering chat not expecting any results
[16:15]  * cryptk can't wait until his company gets the Natty mirror going...
[16:15] <jt13> natty mirror?
[16:15]  * yofel doesn't get any hangs with nvidia and plymouth, only with nouveau plymouth is corrupted
[16:15] <cryptk> OOOH!!!! IT'S UP!
[16:16] <cryptk> http://mirror.rackspace.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/
[16:16] <jt13> ok, I REALLY don't like unity.
[16:17] <cryptk> or if you prefer the ISO's http://mirror.rackspace.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/
[16:17] <cryptk> enjoy all
[16:17] <jt13> oh so it's just a download location
[16:17] <jt13> gotcha
[16:17] <cryptk> we mirror both the install images as well as the package repos...
[16:17] <yofel> hm, the reboot right now gave me the text splash though o.O
[16:17] <cryptk> and our mirror tends to be MUCH faster than the standard ubuntu repos are
[16:18]  * cryptk always gets the text splash for some reason... ever since I installed the NVIDIA drivers
[16:18] <jt13> cool
[16:19] <jt13> is there a way to go back to GNOME with 11.04? I use my computer on a 50" and had it set up with docks to make it more visually appealing and I'm not really liking the unity
[16:19] <yofel> hm, *that* was supposed to be fixed with the VT changes in grub
[16:19]  * yofel reboots again to check
[16:20]  * BluesKaj rcommends kde to all unity and gnome users :)
[16:20] <cryptk> yofel, I am speaking about 10.10 on that one... I am installing 11.04 now
[16:22] <cryptk> jt13, at the GDM (login) screen, choose the Ubuntu Classic session
[16:22] <cryptk> damn... just a minute too late
[16:23] <yofel> hm, I'm indeed getting text splash on shutdown if I don't set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX so it doesn't seem fixed here :S
[16:23] <yofel> and for some reason I'm getting text splash on boot even when setting that :(
[16:24] <yofel> together with an '[    5.021202] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: failed to get i915 symbols, graphics turbo disabled' error in plymouth
[16:32] <yofel> odd, with 2.6.38-6 plymouth is fine, but I don't get to X, with -7 and -8 I get X, but plymouth starts only in text mode
[16:37] <cha0s2358> can anyone help me with reverting back to gnome desktop manager?
[16:37] <yofel> what are you using instead of gdm?
[16:38] <cha0s2358> the standard unity that came with 11.04
[16:38] <cha0s2358> nut i hate it
[16:38] <cha0s2358> but^
[16:38] <Pici> GDM is standard.
[16:39] <yofel> erm, gnome desktop manager and gnome session are 2 different things. GDM is the login screen
[16:39] <yofel> you can select ubuntu classic in gdm if you want to use gnome in natty
[16:39] <cha0s2358> ok thank you
[16:40] <mns`> after you enter your login name you can choose ubuntu classic
[16:40] <cha0s2358> i dont do a log in. i am only user.
[16:40] <cha0s2358> i want to get rid of the side dock and the way the window controls arein the upper bar.
[16:43] <yofel> ah well, bbl
[16:43] <mns`> you choose to autologin ?
[16:43] <yofel> mns`: he's already gone
[16:44] <mns`> yofel, opz, thanks
[16:46] <lcb> where is Natty /daily-live/current for i386 now, besides (powers)?
[16:51] <obscurant1st> i am trying out ubuntu 11 beta. In ubuntu 10 i used to set the graphics details like extra custom, normal etc etc/ But in this ubuntu 11.04 can anyone tell me where it is?? i think it is compiz setting in 10.10, i suppose
[16:52] <lcb> found it, cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and not cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current as i where
[16:52] <lcb> ware
[16:52] <obscurant1st> *were?
[16:53] <lcb> that too, tks
[16:53] <obscurant1st> :)
[16:54] <lcb> obscurant1st, try under Applications | Themes & Tweaks
[16:56] <obscurant1st> lcb its not there, i tried that already! :(, there is a appearcne thingie in that. But when i open that, only 2 items are there, i mean, like themes, background and fonts!
[16:56] <obscurant1st> 3* items
[16:56] <obscurant1st> :/
[16:57] <lcb> i'm not sure if CSM is installed by default, but i believe it make nothing bad if you install it - compizconfig-settings-manager + python-compizconfig
[16:57] <lcb> only those two
[17:00] <obscurant1st> ok i will try that thanks
[17:00] <obscurant1st> :)
[17:00] <lcb> obscurant1st, about the "3* items", if i understand what you are saying, you need to expand that section of apps to see them all
[17:02] <obscurant1st> lcb, yeah i just figured it out!! i feel soo stupid!! :P
[17:03] <obscurant1st> hehe
[17:03] <lcb> don't do it, we all are in certain way
[17:03] <lcb> :)
[17:04] <obscurant1st> :) thanks btw!
[17:05] <lcb> u/welcome
[17:05] <lcb> you're welcomed too (oops, before you correct me) :p
[17:06] <obscurant1st> hehe, lol
[17:07] <obscurant1st> one more thing, actually this new type or transparent menu is loading very slowly or sometimes doesnot load at all, i mean sometimes, i have to hover the mouse over there for the icons to be visible,  it ehre anyway i coule use the old type of menu?
[17:10] <lcb> obscurant1st, i'm not sure if what i'm going to say is right but... there are not too many ways of configuring it, yet (and as i saw somewhere) not planned. besides the shortcuts for using natty
[17:11] <lcb> i'm sure in near future the devs will accommodate some changes due to users requests
[17:12] <obscurant1st> oh ok! thanks. I gotta go now!, bye
[17:13] <lcb> askutuntu.com/questions/2806/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[17:13] <Photocopy> Could not calculate the upgrade
[17:14] <Photocopy> error
[17:17] <lcb> that shortcuts url must be -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087
[17:21] <Photocopy> okay
[17:21] <Photocopy> well update-manager offered me a partial upgrade before i ran update-manager -d
[17:21] <Photocopy> so i installed that first
[17:21] <Photocopy> we'll see if that makes the full upgrade work
[17:22] <genii-around> When kernel updates, why are the new kernel headers not also, if you have them for the previous kernel?
[17:37] <Photocopy> why does "Setting new software channels" take literally like 20 minutes, and then give me an error screen? and >Terminal is unclickable
[17:37] <Photocopy> during distribution upgrade
[17:40] <Photocopy> okay fine
[17:40] <Photocopy> why does this happen:
[17:40] <Photocopy> http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/180/omgaw.png
[17:41] <rocky> hm, my window decorations just disappeared... is that a metacity thing? and do i need to restart it?
[17:41] <Photocopy> try restarting it rocky
[17:42] <rocky> Photocopy: restarting what? metacity?
[17:42] <Photocopy> rocky, yeah
[17:42] <Photocopy> i'm not sure if you can run metacity --replace on itself but if you can that might work
[17:43] <Photocopy> sorry, i'm not really an expert of anything, but nobody else in this room seems active so that's the best I got
[17:43] <rocky> Photocopy: that worked, but now unity died
[17:44] <Photocopy> rocky: I've never used unity, or even 11.04 (Trying to get help with the upgrade) so I can't really help you there. Try restarting the whole machine?
[17:46] <Photocopy> okay
[17:46] <Photocopy> asking yet again
[17:46] <Photocopy> Why is this happening: http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/180/omgaw.png
[17:47] <cryptk> Photocopy, have you altered your sources.list?
[17:47] <Photocopy> cryptk; by that you mean what exactly?
[17:48] <Photocopy> cryptk: if you mean doing stuff like adding ppas and such, then yes, extensively.
[17:48] <cryptk> and have you tried running update-daemon -d from a terminal and seeing if there is any useful output there?
[17:48] <cryptk> most of that would be in the sources.list.d directory
[17:48] <Photocopy> er
[17:48] <Photocopy> not update-manager?
[17:48] <cryptk> what I mean is, is your /etc/apt/sources.list file stock?
[17:48] <Photocopy> i have no idea what you mean when you ask that question
[17:48] <cryptk> oops, yeah, update-manager
[17:49] <cryptk> have you modified that file, or no
[17:49] <Photocopy> manually no
[17:49] <cryptk> other than manually?
[17:49] <Photocopy> but i cant say for sure whether or not i've done anything that could have changed it
[17:49] <cryptk> ahh
[17:49] <Photocopy> cause i wouldn't know what would or wouldn't change it
[17:49] <cryptk> have you just added more sources through synaptic?
[17:49] <Photocopy> well
[17:49] <Photocopy> i've added stuff from
[17:50] <Photocopy> add-apt-repository ppa: blah
[17:50] <cryptk> that should be fine
[17:50] <Photocopy> okay
[17:50] <cryptk> how about you check the log files
[17:50] <cryptk> look for clues there
[17:50] <Photocopy> what about software installed by way of bzr branch ______ and then running their installation scripts?
[17:51] <Photocopy> where are the log files?
[17:51] <Photocopy> oh for the record each time before the error
[17:51] <Photocopy> at some point it says Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool or your package manager.
[17:51] <cryptk> the location of the log files is right in that error message
[17:51] <cryptk> that message is about the sources.list.d directory
[17:51] <cryptk> /var/log/dist-upgrade
[17:52] <cryptk> check the log files in there
[17:52] <Photocopy> which one of those files
[17:52] <cryptk> no clue, check them and see if any have any errors that may help
[17:53] <Photocopy> theres like an lspci.txt, a main.log, an apt.log, three folders named after today's date, a term.log and two tar.gz'sa
[17:53] <iljij> How do I enable TTYs? When I do ctrl+alt+f* nothing comes out.
[17:53] <cryptk> Photocopy, you would just have to check files and see if you can find the error
[17:53] <cryptk> I myself am just now installing 11.04
[17:53] <Photocopy> yeah
[17:54] <Photocopy> cryptk: i found a line; 2011-04-06 12:51:38,728 DEBUG failed to SystemUnLock() (E:Not locked)
[17:54] <cryptk> btw, I just want to mention that debugging and troubleshooting are required skills to properly beta-test
[17:54] <cryptk> that's a debug message, not an error
[17:54] <Photocopy> cryptk: of course, but how do I learn how to do that without beginning beta testing at some point?
[17:54] <Photocopy> ;D
[17:54] <cryptk> ideally you wouldn't hone troubleshooting skills with beta testing
[17:55] <cryptk> it should go the other way around, get those skills first, then beta-test
[17:55] <cryptk> not knocking you at all, just making a general statement
[17:55] <Photocopy> I don't really run into issues where I have a lot of troubleshooting otherwise
[17:56] <Photocopy> well im having difficulty finding anything in particular
[17:56] <Photocopy> the entirety of main.log is debug messages
[17:56] <Photocopy> except for like
[17:56] <Photocopy> 2011-04-06 12:23:09,356 ERROR doUpdate() failed completely
[17:57] <Photocopy> actually there's a significantly larger one than that above it
[17:58] <Photocopy> cryptk: http://pastebin.com/NPQ9UFGG
[17:58] <Photocopy> could any of that be relevant? im pretty sure that stuff shows up almost every time i use apt-get
[17:59] <Photocopy> somethin gto do with opera, what appears to be gnome-do, and cardapio, all three of which I tried but don't use. Should I ppa-purge that stuff?
[18:42] <Ian_Corne> anyone know when the failed builds in this https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages
[18:42] <Ian_Corne> will get rebuild?
[18:53] <Park7> Is there really only one installable package in Partners for Natty? (gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner) its the only one i see in my software center
[18:54] <Park7> wondering if other have the same thing
[18:54] <Park7> others
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Usually, they don't have much until the final release
[18:55] <Park7> aah...okay. no java until then i guess
[18:56] <Park7> i found a flash player in the regular repos
[18:56] <Park7> was hoping for a jre
[19:01] <genii-around> Which reminds me, the last update reverted my java to IcedTea for some reason. Had to run update-alternatives and switch it back to Sun
[19:06] <Park7> will icedtea work in firefox?
[19:06] <genii-around> Yup
[19:06] <Park7> may as well use that for the time being
[19:18] <FoolishOwl> Hello. Does anyone know where the configuration file is for the applications in the Unity launcher?
[19:18] <FoolishOwl> I'd like to change around what apps are in the launcher, but I'd like to back up the current settings first.
[19:21] <nperry> FoolishOwl: Have you looked at gconf?
[19:22] <FoolishOwl> nperry, not yet. I find those folders a bit of a maze.
[19:23] <nperry> Hmmm just had a look
[19:24] <nperry> Doesn't look like it is
[19:24] <zniavre_> it is no with dconf-editor ?
[19:24] <zniavre_> not*
[19:25] <zniavre_> i do not remember if unity --reset resets also the launcher icons
[19:25] <Daekdroom> Nope
[19:25] <Daekdroom> unity-reset-icons does
[19:25] <Daekdroom> *unity --reset-icons
[19:25] <zniavre_> i did not knew this one   (noted )
[19:26] <zniavre_> thnak you   :o)
[19:27] <FoolishOwl> Hmm. There's a man page for unity. It mentions --reset, but doesn't mention --reset-icons. Good to know.
[19:27] <FoolishOwl> Also good to know that "unity" is the thing to look for the man page for.
[19:28] <nperry> FoolishOwl: its in dconf-editor
[19:28] <FoolishOwl> Okay. Looks like I need to install that.
[19:29] <Daekdroom> FoolishOwl, it's in unity --help I think
[19:29] <FoolishOwl> So far, I've run into no significant bugs in the beta -- just figuring out how to tweak the UI.
[19:31] <FoolishOwl> Two OS X users in my household looked over at Ubuntu with Unity and said they'd like to try it.
[19:33] <psusi> FoolishOwl: try Docky
[19:34] <FoolishOwl> psusi, I'd tried Docky mode in GNOME Do before. I like the Unity launcher better.
[19:36] <ninjai> guys i have a problem with unity.  I need to hit F10 in my putty session, but it brings up the top menu for my application.  What do I do?
[19:43] <trism> ninjai: this appears to be configurable in ccsm, selecting the unity plugin, and changing "Key to open the first panel menu" to something other then F10
[19:46] <Nijabo> Anyone else have problems with wifi and Ubuntu 11.04
[19:49] <AureiAnimus> i was wondering, how long does it take approximately before canonical releases the list of compatiple hardware with a new version?
[19:49] <maco> AureiAnimus: they've only ever released a hardware compatibility list once
[19:49] <maco> that was a month or two ago, i think
[19:50] <maco> and its not a very long list
[19:50] <AureiAnimus> okay, thanks
[19:53] <psusi> maintaining such a list is inherently a futile effort
[19:55] <trism> ninjai: unfortunately, this only seems to allow you to add another key, F10 still brings up the menu even if I change it (the new key combination will open it too though)
[20:03] <Ian_Corne> Park7: you can just use maveric partner repo
[20:03] <Ian_Corne> It's what I do
[20:05] <trism> ninjai: actually, it should work for putty, it seems gtk captures f10 as well, so even if you override it in ccsm, gtk will still popup the menu, but the ccsm option does seem to disable it for non-gtk apps
[20:06] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i upgrade over the network to natty
[20:08] <eagles0513875> i have the update manager core installed yet its not working
[20:08] <genii-around> Can you ping something outside of the network, like google.com ?
[20:09] <eagles0513875> hold on i just switched back to kde i forgot i installed ubuntu studio
[20:09] <eagles0513875> and it took me to gnome instead lol
[20:09] <eagles0513875> genii-around: i can ping
[20:10] <eagles0513875> i think there is a switch of some sort i need to pass to do-release-upgrade
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Is there anything in the release notes about it?
[20:10] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Yes , -d
[20:10] <eagles0513875> got it
[20:10] <eagles0513875> thats what i was missing
[20:10] <eagles0513875> :) thanks genii-around
[20:10] <eagles0513875> charlie-tca: ?
[20:11] <eagles0513875> for upgrading -d isnt noted anywhere
[20:11] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[20:11] <eagles0513875> ahh
[20:12] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta#Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu%2010.10
[20:12] <eagles0513875> always forget the switch
[20:12] <charlie-tca> That's why they put that in the release notes
[20:12] <eagles0513875> tbh thats a strange place to look
[20:12] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[20:13] <eagles0513875> ^ you would think there would be a mention in the 2nd link
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Not for development releases
[20:13] <charlie-tca> That is for stable release upgrades
[20:13] <charlie-tca> They also put any iss
[20:13] <charlie-tca> issues you might have in those same release notes
[20:14] <eagles0513875> ahh
[20:35] <eagles0513875> yay the upgrade is broken :(
[20:44] <zniavre> scrollbar overlay landing ?
[20:46] <eichi> hello, have installed 11.04 beta1 in virtualbox. unity was disable at first, how to enable it now?
[20:47] <eagles0513875> genii-around: the update is broken
[20:47] <eagles0513875> dependency hell :(
[20:48] <eagles0513875> probably do a clean install with natty
[20:48] <Omega> Is it just me or does nautilus crash on exit?
[20:48] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Remove any ppa references from dir /etc/apt/sources.list.d  and if you have non-standard-issue repos directly in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, remove them.
[20:49] <eagles0513875> i only have one ofr playdeb.net
[20:49] <Daekdroom> eichi, install the guest additions first.
[20:49] <Daekdroom> and make sure your main system has proper drivers too.
[20:49] <eichi> i did
[20:49] <eagles0513875> the problem is complaining about update-manager and python dependencies
[20:51] <eagles0513875> all my non standard repos are disabled
[20:51] <Omega> Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/752858 happen to anyone else?
[20:51] <eagles0513875> :(
[20:51] <eagles0513875> genii-around: ^
[20:53] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Are you on kde?
[20:54] <eagles0513875> yep kde
[20:54] <eagles0513875> not the unity bug above that lol i disabled any ppas and 3rd party repos like ogre3d
[20:54] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Maybe: sudo apt-get install update-manager-kde
[20:54] <genii-around> My box here shows update-manager not installed but update-manager-kde is
[20:55] <eagles0513875> damn it
[20:55] <eagles0513875> i broke it
[20:55] <eagles0513875> dependency issues now
[20:55] <eagles0513875> blargage oh well
[20:57] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Before you ran do-release-upgrade -d    did you do first the recommended: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade      ..to make sure everything was up to date ?
[20:58] <eagles0513875> yep
[21:11] <genii-around> Is this channel +r ?
[21:11] <IdleOne> no
[21:11] <IdleOne> Channel #ubuntu+1 modes: +Ccntf #ubuntu
[21:13] <guntbert> IdleOne: what command did give you ^ ?
[21:13] <IdleOne> guntbert: /mode #ubuntu+1
[21:13] <guntbert> IdleOne: thx
[21:14] <IdleOne> welcome
[21:14] <Andre_Gondim> where are the daily live desktop iso for i386? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:22] <bobbert> i was told to ask here about 64 bit versus 32 for my upgrade to natty?
[21:23] <ninjai> is there a way to make it so natty wont spawn new windows right where unity is, as it hides the unity bar every single time?
[21:23] <IdleOne> bobbert: how much ram?
[21:23] <yofel> the upgrade will work for both 64 and 32 bits
[21:23] <bobbert> not upgrade, fresh install, i heard upgrade was buggy and dont want to wreck my machine.
[21:23] <bobbert> idleone: 4gb
[21:24] <IdleOne> yofel: I believe bobbert is running 32bit now
[21:24] <yofel> Andre_Gondim: yesterdays build has some http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110405/
[21:24] <bobbert> yes, i am
[21:24] <IdleOne> !pae
[21:24] <yofel> ah ok, misunderstood ^^
[21:24] <IdleOne> yofel: nah you were missing some context from #ubuntu is all :)
[21:24] <yofel> heh
[21:25] <ninjai> anyone?
[21:25] <IdleOne> bobbert: so yeah you can either use the PAE kernel on 32bit as described in the above link or install 64bit
[21:25] <bobbert> is it worth the potential headache of 64 bit for the little extra RAM?
[21:25] <Daekdroom> Or use only 3.2GB RAM
[21:25] <bobbert> it's a pretty good machine as is
[21:25] <IdleOne> bobbert: what headaches?
[21:26] <IdleOne> bobbert: well if things are running good for you on 32bit. Don't fix what ain't broke.
[21:26] <bobbert> like some programs not working, being 32 -bit
[21:26] <IdleOne> very few if any
[21:26] <BluesKaj> bobbert, the probs /headaches with 64 bit are in the past , mostly
[21:27] <bobbert> so should i try it, or put up with only 2.9 gb of RAM?
[21:27] <yofel> bobbert: use the PAE kernel as IdleOne said
[21:27] <bobbert> how much will that enable?
[21:28] <IdleOne> bobbert: you could try it since you will be doing a fresh install and if you aren't happy do a fresh install of 32bit but yeah PAE if the ram thing is that important
[21:28] <yofel> bobbert: you should get the full 4G with pae
[21:28]  * BluesKaj runs 64 bit on old amd cpu/compaq pc , and still runs fine , even with all that old HW
[21:29] <BluesKaj> used the alternate install tho :)
[21:29] <yofel> 64bit uses a bit more memory than 32bit, but yeah, 64 runs fine here. If 32bit works fine though I wouldn't really bother reinstalling
[21:29] <yofel> BluesKaj: why that?
[21:30] <bobbert> OK, thank you all, i'll bookmark that page and install it when i get natty!
[21:31] <IdleOne> welcome bobbert
[21:31] <BluesKaj> yofel, the live-cd doesn't recognize my HW , so it doesn't get past plymouth's blinking dots
[21:32] <yofel> urgh
[21:33] <BluesKaj> no, the alternate is ok, I prefer it for it's more flexible partitioning options
[21:34] <BluesKaj> this media-server pc however is till 32 bit altho it has dual core 64bit cpu
[21:34] <BluesKaj> still
[21:36] <BluesKaj> 3G ram is ok for it's role in the media setup we have here
[21:37] <yofel> heh, the only 32bit system I have is an EeePC, since the N270 is 32bit
[21:37] <yofel> only has 2G anyway
[21:38] <searayman> Can somone help me figure out why  my proxy connection to the internet isnt working
[21:45] <BluesKaj> 1proxy
[21:46] <BluesKaj> !proxy
[21:46] <ninjai> is there a way to make it so natty wont spawn new windows right where unity is, as it hides the unity bar every single time?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> guess that didn't help much eh, searayman
[21:47] <Daekdroom> !Tor
[21:47] <searayman> nope it has nothign to do with irc
[21:59] <frankwe> ninjai: this will be fixed in the next unity release
[22:04] <perscitus> I put 11.04 on flash drive (live cd) and Compiz kept crashing every 3-5 minutes.
[22:06] <perscitus> i really enjoy ubuntu crashing.
[22:10] <wolter> what do I have to install to get gnome 3? I already have the ppa installed
[22:13] <perscitus> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[22:15] <perscitus> I think Ubuntu 10.10 will be the last good ubuntu release.
[22:16] <ninjai> frankwe, thx
[22:16] <ninjai> perscitus, 11.04 is still beta :P
[22:16] <cha0s2358> does anyone know how to or if it is even possible to change the arrearance and or location of the standard left side dock of 11.04?
[22:16] <perscitus> ninjai,  and its worest beta ever in Ubuntu history
[22:17] <wolter> perscitus, ninjai : yeah, up to now natty is the buggiest software i've ever used...
[22:17] <perscitus> Theregister website has said this already
[22:17] <cha0s2358> does anyone know how to or if it is even possible to change the appearance and or location of the standard left side dock of 11.04?
[22:17] <ninjai> perscitus, heh.. I know.  Every time I change a compiz setting it's like it reloads compiz.  And the annoying bug with unity hiding every time I open a window cause its too close to the screen edge.
[22:17] <perscitus> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/
[22:17] <ninjai> cha0s2358, I tried, couldn't find any answer
[22:18] <cha0s2358> oh, ok thanks anyway.
[22:18] <ninjai> np
[22:18] <cha0s2358> I love unity but i also have cairo dock and the new dock is just too.....plain for my tastes
[22:18] <wolter> has anybody here used gnome 3?
[22:18] <perscitus> ninjai,  i hate unity launcher. its too intrusive, even when it hides itself.
[22:19] <ninjai> cha0s2358, you can turn off unity somehow.  I almost like it off more, but I'll give it an honest shot
[22:19] <wolter> perscitus, have you? it says reverting to vanilla 11.04 is not simple
[22:19] <ninjai> perscitus, before I had my nvidia drivers installed, I liked how 11.04 felt.  Because unity wasn't able to launch ^_^
[22:19] <cha0s2358> you turn it off by going into login screen, changing the load to user prefference, logining out, and selecing ubuntu classic
[22:19] <akavlie> ninjai, cha0s2358 -- you can choose "Ubuntu Classic" to get traditional Gnome UI on login.
[22:20] <cha0s2358> akavlie, see above
[22:20] <perscitus> ninjai,  im not install beta on hdd cuz  compiz crashed on me every 3-5mins.
[22:20] <akavlie> yup
[22:20] <perscitus> Ubuntu 'Classic' is gone in 11.10
[22:20] <cha0s2358> i've yet to have any bugs and i've been using all day.
[22:20] <cha0s2358> compiz included
[22:20] <wolter> gnome 3 is looking pretty sexy next to a unity like this one we have up to now
[22:21] <cha0s2358> gnome 3? were can i find screen shots and docu??
[22:21] <perscitus> Why is everyone moving towards app searching like gnome-d0?
[22:22] <wolter> cha0s2358, everywhere!
[22:22] <perscitus> Applicatiom nenu is so much faster  to use
[22:22] <wolter> wow wow good news everybody!! compiz updates available!
[22:23] <ninjai> right now?
[22:23] <perscitus> oh yeah, i dont use keyboard shortcuts
[22:24] <wolter> yeah, there are a lot of compiz updates
[22:24] <wolter> in the update manager i say
[22:24] <perscitus> it takes longer to use keyboard shortcuts
[22:24] <wolter> i hope they have fixed the crashes by now!
[22:24] <wolter> perscitus, heh what do you mean?
[22:24] <ninjai> wolter, after I'm done installing eclipse I'm gonna check that out
[22:25] <perscitus> wolter,  i have a keyboard tray. i have to pull it out everthing i use keyboard.  i just want to use my mouse
[22:25] <wolter> oh i see, i guess you'd be better off with mouse gestures.. i have never used that though
[22:25] <perscitus> mouse gestures suck
[22:25] <perscitus> Opera tried that and failed
[22:25] <ninjai> hahah
[22:25] <wolter> ninjai, nice, i've been waiting so long for it... though if you allow me to ask, why eclipse and not geany?
[22:26] <ninjai> wolter, wtf is geany? I guess that's my answer :S
[22:26] <wolter> ninjai, haha, the nicest IDE for gnome
[22:26] <digitalfiz> Some updates for natty this evening happened and when I reboot now it wont boot all the way up it stops at Checking battery state... this is a desktop so no battery how can i fix this
[22:26] <ninjai> wolter, I am so checking that out.  Any idea if there's an android plugin for it?
[22:26] <perscitus> i think gnome will fail
[22:26] <ninjai> wolter, google says no but it'son the wishlist :(
[22:27] <wolter> ninjai, oh i don't think so. its very simple,, as in it doesn't try to manage your projects. You don't get that whole bunch of dialogs asking what your class' name is, where do you want to place it, etc.
[22:27] <ninjai> wolter, sounds fine ;)
[22:28] <wolter> ninjai, what do you need in an android plugin?
[22:28] <ninjai> wolter, for developing android applications of course!
[22:28] <wolter> i once decided to install eclipse and as soon as I saw the bytesize I aborted
[22:28] <wolter> ninjai, of course, but dont you need just libs? I mean what do you need in an IDE to be able to develop android apps?
[22:29] <wolter> Its so nice to hear that android is growing and taking space from iOS
[22:30] <wolter> perscitus, i'd say non-gnome will fail
[22:30] <ninjai> wolter, because it has access to all of androids built in classes, can launch the android virtual machine, can push to my phone, etc
[22:30] <wolter> ninjai, and there is no alternate software that could do that instead of your IDE? well then I guess you should use eclipse :s
[22:30] <wolter> yuck
[22:30] <wolter> haha
[22:31] <ninjai> wolter, yep.  Apparently there is one for netbeans too
[22:31] <wolter> i just hate java
[22:32] <ninjai> wolter, why?
[22:33] <wolter> number one reason? you have to name your files according to the class defined in them, seems so stupid to me
[22:34] <wolter> the built-in stuff is good, but i don't know, hate for it just grew in me
[22:34] <wolter> i prefer to know good c++ than to know good java
[22:35] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:36] <magevideo> hello all.  i need help getting ubuntu to detect my sound card as surround sound instead of stereo.  motherboard: asus m2v
[22:36] <ninjai> yay for compiz update
[22:36] <ninjai> i wonder whats changed
[22:37] <wolter> ninjai, is java the only language to develop android apps?
[22:37] <magevideo> wolter, no you can use c# now that mono for android is available
[22:37] <Chr|s> ninjai: working better? updating now :D
[22:38] <wolter> and is python going to be supported?
[22:38] <gordonjcp> how do I get the IM client to work?
[22:38] <gordonjcp> I've added my Yahoo! messenger account, and nothing happens
[22:38] <digitalfiz> helllllp :P ubuntu freezes after checking battery state after todays updates
[22:38] <gordonjcp> there's no contact list or anything
[22:38] <magevideo> wolter, i'm not sure
[22:39] <gordonjcp> I don't even know what Natty's default chat client is called so I can google for help
[22:39] <magevideo> gordonjcp, it's called empathy
[22:40] <gordonjcp> magevideo: that's totally un-googleable
[22:41] <magevideo> gordonjcp, search "empathy im"
[22:41] <gordonjcp> magevideo: okay, nothing that looks even vaguely like the lashup in Natty
[22:43] <gordonjcp> okay, I've got as far as having a green speech bubble with a kind of yellow dot and my name beside it, that appears to be the entry for my Yahoo! account
[22:43] <gordonjcp> when I select it in the list I get a yellow box with a thing that looks like spectacles and a grey box with off beside it
[22:44] <magevideo> gordonjcp, uunfortunately i don't have empathy installed at the moment cause i managed to break it so i wouldn't be able to follow the screens with you
[22:44] <gordonjcp> magevideo: I'm just going to delete it and install pidgin instead
[22:44] <digitalfiz> i bet theres an #empathy channel
[22:44] <TLF> hell
[22:45] <TLF> can anyone please tell me what will be the default ubuntu theme in natty?
[22:45] <TLF> thanks
[22:45] <gordonjcp> digitalfiz: there are a lot of empathy websites but none of them show anything liek the one in Ubuntu
[22:45] <gordonjcp> *like
[22:45] <gordonjcp> I guess it's still early days yet
[22:46] <magevideo> gordonjcp,  i usually use empathy on ubuntu i just managed to break it and i haven't got around to fixing it
[22:46] <digitalfiz> to get your buddy list click the little mail icon at the top next to the time and it should show empathy in the list and when you click it it should show your buddy list
[22:46] <wolter> omg.. this is why i won't even install gnome 3 now http://ubunturocking.wordpress.com/
[22:46] <gordonjcp> digitalfiz: hm, I don't really know what that is
[22:47] <gordonjcp> s/what/where/
[22:47] <wolter> 14 year old hindu breastfeed gnome 3 in that post
[22:47] <gordonjcp> I've got a clock and a kind of power button thing
[22:47] <wolter> put that in past tense haha
[22:49] <gordonjcp> is there a reason why tab completion doesn't work after sudo?
[22:51] <ninjai> gord, I've never experienced that... (testing)
[22:51] <ninjai> gordonjcp, it works
[22:52] <gordonjcp> ninjai: type "sudo mount /dev/sd<tab>"
[22:52] <gordonjcp> or,  better, /dev/sd<tab><tab>"
[22:52] <ninjai> $ sudo mount /dev/sda
[22:52] <ninjai> /dev/sda1  /dev/sda5
[22:53] <ninjai> works for me
[22:53] <gordonjcp> ninjai: strange, 11.04?
[22:53] <ninjai> yep
[22:53] <lcb> 'Ubuntu Software Center' not installing packages unless running '~$ gksudo /usr/bin/software-center %u' ' after a fresh install from daily (just in case... doesn't bother me)
[22:56] <Pici> Did anyone else lose the theming on their gnome panels (ubuntu classic) recently? Or do I need to go bug hunting?
[22:56] <ninjai> bizarre,  I can't click on my nexus one in the left pane of nautilus.  It just doesn't do anything.
[22:58] <digitalfiz> ninjai: when ever i click on mounted drive it opens 2 windows
[22:58] <ninjai> oh it's not mounted, wtf
[22:58] <ninjai> digitalfiz, that's odd lol.  Mine just wno't mount, I'm assuming I'll have to do it manually :P
[22:58] <digitalfiz> i mount my phone from the phone i didnt know you could do it in ubuntu
[22:58] <lcb> digitalfiz, known issue.
[22:59] <ninjai> digitalfiz, wtf? usually your OS auto-mounts it... the OS MUST mount something before it can be used.
[23:00] <digitalfiz> ninjai: well my phone pops up with a mount thing and it wont show in ubuntu until i do im on android 1.6 though i think in newer android it auto mounts on the phone end then the os usually automounts on its end
[23:01] <ninjai> digitalfiz, nope the phone still needs to be set to mount :(.  Nexus one, gingerbread/CM7
[23:01] <ninjai> ok wtf
[23:02] <Pici> Er... gtk theming seems to be broken on all my windows except for the appearance properties one.
[23:03] <Pici> That is so weird.
[23:04] <ninjai> why is it that i can never mount my phone as writable in ubuntu on THIS computer, but it works on my comptuer at home with ubuntu?
[23:04] <thumper> anyone here familiar with quassel-core?
[23:04] <thumper> My natty upgrade had issues
[23:04] <thumper> and now all my old settings have gone :(
[23:24] <delac> tried to update my system. there was some sort of error while configuring linux-image...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/590473/
[23:24] <delac> anyone able to decode that :)
[23:37] <blocky> so natty/compiz/unity is supposed to be working with nvidia's proprietary drivers?
[23:46] <bjsnider> yes
[23:47] <nerdshell> I donwloaded the first Natty beta, and put the ISO on a flashdrive, but when booting, grub doesn't show up even if I press esc, any idea?
[23:50] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: How did you put the iso on the flash drive?
[23:50] <nerdshell> click-drag
[23:51] <nerdshell> after downloading from the ubuntu main server
[23:52] <nerdshell> Jordan_U: Click-drag
[23:53] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: You need to insall a bootloader of some sort before it will be bootable.
[23:55] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: You need to insall a bootloader of some sort before it will be bootable. The easiset thing to do is use unetbootin.
[23:55] <roothorick> I'm installing 11.04 beta 1 on a Dell Inspiron 640m, it has 1GB RAM right now but I'm gonna bump it to 4GB once I have my car situation settled. Other than the usual beta disclaimers, anything I should know going in?
[23:55] <nerdshell> in the software center?
[23:57] <jiohdi> roothorick, docky works with light manangers down to iceWM -- makes a good light combo
[23:57] <jiohdi> you can move the iceWM to the top and docky at the bottom
[23:57] <roothorick> this isn't a "light" laptop, heh
[23:57] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: Follow the directions at http://ubuntu.com/download (they apply for 11.04 as well).
[23:57] <jiohdi> 1
[23:57] <roothorick> 15" screen, decent dualcore... it's what the industry calls "mainstream"
[23:57] <jiohdi> 1G is pretty light
[23:57] <roothorick> yeah, but that's temporary :)
[23:57] <nerdshell> Jordan_U: okay, thanks =)
[23:58] <jiohdi> you can always change the shell later
[23:58] <roothorick> it'll probably get the bump late next week
[23:58] <delac> well, nice. After the above gibbersih from update manager, I was sure my system would be borged. However now, after reboot, there doesnt seem to be anything wrong (more than previously). Nice fallback mechanisms.