=== evilnhandler_ is now known as evilnhandler === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === greg_g is now known as greg-g [04:00] akgraner: I've used it twice tonight already [04:00] :-) [04:01] I wish you could change the launcher shortcuts [04:01] I set super+T to open a terminal a long time ago, now it's second nature [04:01] I must have hopened the trash 3 times in less than an hour [04:02] ugh I am re-installing kubuntu in a vm for one install screen shot...grrrrr [04:04] might be easier to just ask a kubuntu user to send you one [04:15] I got it now thought it would have been easier...but I learned a lot :-) [04:18] mhall119: You can't set specific key-combos? [04:18] doctormo: well, not that I've found, not for icons in the launcher [04:19] i can change the size of the launcher icons, which was a pleasant surprise [04:20] I think I might grow to like Unity [04:20] gonna give Xubuntu 11.04 a try first though [04:22] mhall119: If I ever get a chance to use Unity, I'll let you know if I like it ;-) [04:24] If you ever get a chance? [04:24] mhall119: Doesn't work on nvidia at the moment, never has on my machine. It's all very broken. [04:24] even with proprietary drivers? [04:25] * mhall119 loves his intel graphics [04:25] Well, the nouvou driver shipped gets me to classic mode with no-theme (gnome gray). nouvou experimental 3D gets me to classic mode with the correct theme. [04:25] The propritary driver turns the computer into a lemon. The bios goes away and the screen stays black, the end. [04:26] ew [04:26] System76 machines are awesome! ;-) [04:26] have you let it sit for a few minutes? It could be at the plymouth stage, which I think nvidia doesn't support yet [04:27] my kid's desktop does that [04:27] Yes, it rested for an hour. [04:27] ah [04:27] well that's too bad, hopefully the driver situation improved before launch [04:27] improves [04:28] I hope so, otherwise it doesn't matter how awesome Unity is, it'll make a bunch of angry . [04:28] I gotta say, once I got my Scale+Filter compiz plugins working according to my old key and screenbindings, I'm much happier with the lack of bottom panel [05:51] morning [07:33] good morning all [07:39] heya [08:17] hello ara [08:17] morning nigelb [08:44] good morning [08:44] hola dholbach [08:45] w00t 4 more thursdays to the big day [08:45] hi nigelb [09:30] Morning everyone === daker_ is now known as daker === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [11:33] kim0, http://twitter.com/ivanka/status/55567693960593408 :D [11:37] daker: also https://twitter.com/#!/omgubuntu/status/55573711717285888 Yaay :) === daker_ is now known as daker [12:24] morning all [12:38] nigelb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ParentalControls [13:58] Technoviking: hah, I can't believe the archives are so controversial [14:16] jcastro: I have come to the conculsion, in a large enough population, everything is drama:) [14:16] also [14:16] why is there a poll? [14:16] I have no idea [14:21] Technoviking: heh "the ubuntu community won't let me keep my freebsd howtos on their forum!" [14:24] jcastro: you have fbsd howtos :) ? [14:24] Technoviking: see, and you guys opened up that other OS forum too [14:25] that just encourages people to think it's ok to post junk [14:25] kim0: I have an allergic reaction to BSD [14:25] and any UNIX. [14:25] ah I see [14:25] solaris actually makes me physically sick [14:26] I mostly can't really stand other unices too, but respect them [14:26] hehee [14:26] jcastro, heh [14:26] it's hard to respect an OS that doesn't have a working backspace key [14:26] hhee [14:27] the weirdest unix I had to work with .. was SCO something .. remember "skunkware" whatever that means [14:27] I spent 6 hours to understand enough to dd its disk :) [14:28] modern solaris is not that bad though [14:30] I'm sure backspace works fine when it is configured correctly? ☺ [14:30] DEL was the backspace of the days right [14:31] An OS's legacy drags it to death [14:32] UNIX people were (and some still are) used to keyboards with some keys in different locations [14:32] that's why you can still swap Caps Lock & Ctrl too ;) [14:32] right [14:33] typical sun garbage. Lock down the hardware, but then don't set it up to be usable. [14:33] it's like they half-assed being server side apple [14:33] great description :) [14:34] walled garbage heap [14:34] it's possibly a bit scarey how tidying away a ton of cables and putting cable ties on them is relaxing [14:34] (sorry if I offend any solaris users out there, it brings out the worst in me) [14:35] or as I like to say, the BEST in me! [14:38] I'd use solaris over OpenVMS any day. [14:42] does anyone else notice that maps.u.c only shows *one* server in the US initially and only on zooming-in, it lights up with a lot of US servers? [14:44] Pici: isn't OpenVMS the securest OS though? ;) [14:48] jcastro: people were posting it Other OS questions anyways [14:48] right [14:48] which is why the forums are unfocused [14:48] and they turn into a rabble rabble like on southpark [14:54] vish, I think it is doing that for each country on the max resolution [14:54] if you zoom to any of them then it expands to show specifics [14:54] I think [14:54] * JFo has closed it now [14:54] yea, for India too it showed something like 3 and on zooming in it showed more.. [14:54] but in my brief twiddling of it [14:55] right [14:56] jcastro: this is a web forums and this surprises you how?:) [14:57] I just want it to suck less [14:58] instead of "oh you can fix that driver by installing this manually." "oh that broke" "Try Arch!" [14:58] hah [14:58] yeah, those are my favorite [14:59] http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=80313300 [14:59] I'll bet 90% of those are bad for users. [14:59] we need a purge! (that goes for the wiki too) [14:59] I know [14:59] :( [15:00] jcastro: then encourge more Ubuntu Developer/Rock Stars to come by, instead of turning their nose up at it [15:00] oh bah! 16,991 replies on the conky thread.. is it of any use that way?! ;p [15:01] it is like a bug with 400 comments [15:01] Technoviking: developers turn their nose at it because a) no one listens [15:01] if that helps the analogy :) [15:01] b) abuse is tolerated [15:01] and c) the signal to noise ratio is too low [15:01] vish: don't you dish the conky thread:) [15:02] JFo: haha! but those bugs are awesome rants.. ;) [15:02] Technoviking: maybe its best to break it up like the monthly screenshots threads.. [15:02] vish, not to a dev trying to understand the problem [15:02] :) [15:02] :) [15:02] jcastro: I could argue AskUbuntu is over moderated which has it own problems [15:03] like what? [15:03] staying too useful and ontopic? [15:03] :) [15:03] alright, break it up you two! ;p [15:03] we're not fighting, it's not like he uses solaris [15:03] one being that a new user maybe afraid to ask a question [15:03] plus this isn't about AU, this is about the forums [15:04] heh [15:04] yea not a fight, but you two are always on about Ask / Forums … but fun to watch though ;) [15:05] I am not [15:05] I am on the forums more than you vishy! [15:05] I just want them to stop sliding in quality [15:05] because the vibe from the olden days is getting taken over [15:07] anyway it's not mike's fault [15:07] he just got stuck being one of the babysitters [15:08] "hey, most of the information here might be breaking people's computers and making work harder for ubuntu developers, but whew, at least that guy got to keep his FreeNAS howto from 2002 online." [15:11] later all, off to work [15:13] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [15:13] the other day, i was wondering why people spend so much time arguing/counter-arguing on OMG + blogs and wasting time.. then i realised that Ubuntu is like Sports.. people like to talk , cheer and sometimes get into (bar)fights ;p [15:14] sports talk, we know how biased those can be ;) [15:14] I stay off OMGUbutu it's trash [15:17] heh yea, i guess Forums can go off-topic the same way.. [15:17] And IRC... [15:17] Pici: at least on irc you can just go /ignore [15:18] czajkowski: Or close my eyes! [15:18] I like OMG [15:18] that's just news [15:29] czajkowski: harsh! [15:31] popey: tis ok I've not got you on /ignore [15:31] well, OMG Ubuntu is news, and for marketing any news is good news ;) [15:31] :) [15:34] heh [15:34] thanks jcastro for letting me know about UDS. [15:34] * jcastro nods [15:37] indeed, thanks jcastro [15:45] ping kim0 [15:45] Ronnie: hey [15:46] kim0: i see your maps.ubuntu.com is getting attention [15:46] http://twitter.com/ivanka/status/55567693960593408 [15:47] and i have a few questions/notes about it [15:47] Ronnie: well shoot [15:48] i see to 'apply' for it, its just visiting the /hit link [15:48] let me find that blog post [15:48] Ronnie: http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/08/ubuntu-server-10041-virtual-release.html [15:49] i think thats dangerous (the link is already posted on some sites), and this will be visited by searchengine crawlers, and i have clicked it myself [15:50] Ronnie: well it isn't exactly new anymore .. as you can see it was for 10.04.1 server release in 2010 .. Ivanka just breathed some more life in it ;) [15:50] however if you want to modify the way it works .. that'd be lovely [15:51] the source is waiting for ya :) [15:51] also a while ago i've written a jquery-maps plugin (for loco directory), which made it very easy to show makers on a map (especially icw django) [15:51] Ronnie: We can have a relaunch of that app with Natty server .. what do you think :) [15:51] i even had bigger plans, for maps.ubuntu.com. dont know if the plans will come true... [15:52] Ronnie: Here's the current code https://code.launchpad.net/~kim0/mapuntu/trunk [15:52] create a map, and an API, and map all sorts of information on it. Like persons who are using ubuntu, planned events, servers, [15:52] that actually sounds nice! [15:53] Ronnie: and can we have that nice bubbley effect that the mozilla folks did to firefox4 release [15:53] but i need some more hands to create such items. Do you want to help with it? [15:53] i see you already have some good ideas [15:53] are comfortable in django and maps [15:54] well not really in either .. it was a good fight hehe [15:54] but yeah sure .. we can play [15:54] Ronnie: if you'll work on that, I'm sure to help you [15:54] oke, great [15:54] Rock n roll [15:54] ill see if i can write some spec for my ideas [15:55] Ronnie: my email is kim0@ubuntu.com just in case I'm not here [15:55] Ronnie: Let's target a quick relaunch for natty [15:55] i hope we can make that [15:55] and afterwards see what can be done on a larger scale .. [15:55] sounds like a plan ? [15:55] deal! [15:55] deal [15:55] \o/ [15:56] when im online, you can find me at #ubuntu-locoteams [15:56] cool! [15:57] kim0: did you do the maps thing? [15:57] jcastro: yep [15:58] very awesome [15:58] jcastro: it was about the first thing I did :) [15:58] I was just adding mine earlier today [15:58] woohoo [15:58] :) [15:58] the logo was close to my place too [15:58] but not too close [15:58] which is nice. :) [15:58] hehe [15:58] the free Geo DB is not too accurate [15:58] if we can convince them to give us the commercial one .. it'd be closer [15:59] kim0, jcastro, dpm: 1m? [15:59] yeah [16:00] no jono today [16:00] :) [16:00] "we did the team call already, bye" [16:00] wait [16:00] no bacon today? [16:00] ok, let's get back to work then [16:00] * kim0 scratches head [16:01] dholbach, yeah, all set, apart that we're leaderless apparently [16:01] we can have the call without him and complain about him [16:01] ok, count me in [16:01] what, like what we do every day? [16:02] *grin* [16:02] evil boys mowaahahahaa [16:03] * czajkowski just had a brain fart :D [16:09] is anyone going to text Jono? :) [16:09] dholbach, when natty will be released ? [16:09] dholbach: why does he need to be texted? [16:10] daker: Apr 28th [16:10] ok [16:10] daker, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule on [16:10] April 28th [16:10] maco, because we have a team call in -10 minutes [16:10] beat you [16:24] Would anyone know of a way to customize Ubuntu live CD, by booting it, doing whatever changes needed, then somehow zipping the result into an iso ?! [16:24] I kind of remember reading that, but google is denying [16:25] i think their is a wiki page about that.... [16:26] * duanedesign goes to see [16:26] The info I could find on the wiki, were about modifying dead files [16:27] was that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [16:27] yeah [16:32] kim0: here is one that is a little newer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationMaverick [16:32] you can unpack the image on the iso and run/change things in a chroot [16:33] duanedesign: thanks [16:33] JanC: Can I start X that way [16:34] well, in most cases you have an X server running already then, but you can run X clients [16:34] I think the wiki page explains it somewhere [16:37] in theory it should be possible to do something from the live CD too, I guess [16:38] ok, calling it a day, see you all on Friday! [17:20] jcastro: is jono off today ? [17:20] yeah I think so [17:21] czajkowski, I will be in a bit [17:21] Collab Summit [17:21] jono: so no call today? [17:21] czajkowski, unfortunately not [17:21] no worries [17:21] lets do it next week [17:21] thanks! [17:21] sure [17:21] :) [17:23] one of these days I want to attend Collab Summit (insert me stamping my foot here) [17:23] I'm not cool enough to be invited [17:23] akgraner, it's really not that interesting [17:23] I only go because it is local [17:24] jcastro, anyone can go, you just ask for an invite [17:25] :-) [17:26] jcastro, you are already cool without collab summit (follow that with the sound of Pete calling me cheesy) [17:27] akgraner: I don't need foundations to tell me I'm cool [17:27] hehe [17:28] is this the one where they have panels on "the linux desktop" [17:32] dunno - here's this year's schedule :-) http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/schedule [17:32] oh speaking of desktops...GNOME 3.0 looks sharp... [17:34] jcastro, check this video out which btw is debuting at Collab Summit - "Story of Linux" http://bit.ly/gaY0Zp [17:35] oh I've seen these before [17:35] kim0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mapuntu/API [17:35] cute [17:37] Ronnie: interesting stuff [17:38] better markup now ^ [17:39] im not sure about the content, should we allow remote content (iframe) and should we allow HTML ? [17:39] what about links [17:40] popey: ping [17:40] Technoviking: pong [17:41] popey: have you tried the natty beta CD for Mac? going to try to get natty working on my MPB again [17:42] no [17:42] or yes [17:42] no [17:42] yes, definitely, no [17:42] I have natty and lucid on my mbp [17:42] Ronnie: Throw what you have on that page .. and I'll check it out once back .. need to go out in a few mins. Also an intro section with high level goals would help [17:43] ill do kim0 [17:43] Going to try to tri-boot it :) [17:43] i am tri-booting mine [17:43] I chucked a 1TB disk in it [17:43] have a great evening everyone - see you tomorrow [17:43] dholbach: night [17:43] have fun dholbach [17:43] party like you rolled 18/99:) [17:44] bye Technoviking, bye popey [17:44] goodnight dholbach [17:44] :) [17:44] bye JFo [17:46] well.. waiting for crap and fan to meet [17:47] indeed [18:04] hey JFo [18:04] JFo: is the bass part of the touring package? [18:04] because I have to put my basses in storage for a year [18:04] so maybe I should drop it off with the graners on my way to florida if the team needs a bass [18:17] jcastro, we can hang on to it for ya === daker is now known as daker_ [18:23] jcastro, yessir [18:23] odd that xchat didn't notify me that I was pinged [18:24] dude, I will store your bass for you if you like [18:24] won't cost you anything [18:25] yeah when I upgraded xchat doesn't blink at me anymore... [18:27] odd though, it was working a bit ago [18:27] or so I thought [18:42] wow I haven't updated in a couple days...lots of updates it seems [18:49] Hey akgraner [18:50] * doctormo hugs akgraner for no reason [18:51] doctormo, aww thanks! [19:01] Not sure where to ask this but can someone point me to Ubuntu countdown timer/banner for 11.04? [19:05] IdleOne: not yet selected, should be ready by this week [19:05] vish thank you [19:05] IdleOne: Presumably it will be here when its done: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown [19:06] thanks again [19:36] jcastro: poke? [19:36] hi [19:36] mind a PM? [19:38] Say no jcastro ! [19:38] lol [19:41] haha [20:23] so um, anyone on the CC available for a quick chat? :) [20:42] tsimpson: hello? [20:42] tsimpson: what is up? [20:42] Technoviking: hey, mind if I /msg? [20:43] tsimpson: not at all [20:44] tsimpson: oops, just followed up in PM with maco [20:44] (probably the same thing) [20:44] pleia2: i pasted what you said to him [20:44] yes it is [20:44] thanks :) [20:45] also to geser, who also agrees [20:45] just like waiting for a bus... [20:45] tsimpson: they all show up at once? [20:45] haha [20:45] maco: yep, then you start dropping your change all around you [20:53] heh [21:08] haha! "Mark Shuttleworth has been in space but nobody is on more planets than Vuntz" [21:08] hehe [21:10] lol [21:11] vish: LOL [21:11] nigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA [21:11] nigelb: Can you add unity Q+A to the classroom stuff? [21:11] * nigelb hugs jcastro [21:11] this one will be popular. :) [21:11] jcastro: yup, doing right now [21:12] jcastro: you're awesome :) [21:12] jcastro: isn't that in a few ? [21:14] jcastro: erm, do you mean 6th or 7th? :) [21:14] whatever day friday is [21:14] oh [21:14] lol [21:15] bah, that's 8th :P [21:15] wait, you mean thursday? [21:16] no [21:16] I mean friday [21:16] the 8th [21:16] oh dude, TODAY is the sixth [21:16] i see what I did there [21:16] Pendulum: congrats on the membership board position [21:16] jcastro: Its 1:45 am, here on 7th. :P [21:16] I hate timezones [21:17] mhall119: I;m not sure if our official predictor should be on the board :p [21:17] mhall119: thanks [21:17] nigelb: official predictor? [21:17] mhall119: yes, she's so far predicted most membership board outcomes correctly I belive :) [21:18] Pendulum: Congrats! I pinged you on the wrong channel yesterday. I blame sleep :) [21:18] btw, I initially read they as "official predator" [21:18] hahaah [21:18] and I thought "Gee, she always seemed so nice" [21:18] nigelb: I saw that [21:18] mhall119: hahahaha [21:18] Pendulum: :) [21:19] mhall119: well, I've been threatening the children at the daycare next door because they're being screamy and my neck and head are killing me this afternoon, but generally I am nice :P [21:19] rofl [21:20] Pendulum: Can I volunteer you for helper tomorrow? [21:20] My parents are in town and I'm hardly home till 12 am :| [21:22] jcastro: Please confirm http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html [21:23] nigelb: clearly she shares a wavelength with the rest of us [21:23] and understands the expectations well :P [21:23] maco: Yes! [21:24] nigelb: one sec [21:24] lol, at title of latest planet post [21:24] nigelb: ok it just needs to not clash with the release team meeting [21:24] what calendar is that on? [21:25] jcastro: learning events calender [21:25] jcastro: you have access, you can move the time around [21:26] If you ever go to Bangalore, don't forget to try some extreme sports like taking a cab or crossing the road. Adrenaline rush guaranteed. [21:26] Hey, it aint that bad! [21:26] I haev to comment :p [21:27] maco: lol [21:28] I mean, there are more adrenaline rush things like a bike ride <-- maco :p [21:29] nigelb: Why did the cow cross the road? To bring inner peace to Bangalore :-P [21:29] hahaha [21:29] I did have cows on the road today [21:31] nigelb: seems 30 minutes off from the fridge calendar [21:31] nigelb: oh no wait [21:31] totally fine! [21:31] ok [21:31] :) [21:32] jcastro: I wont be around tomorrow, but you can poke penny or lyz for help during the session. [21:32] today is wednesday [21:33] yeah [21:33] well, for you. [21:33] Its thursday for me already ;) [21:33] I could have sworn it was a Friday for me. [21:35]