| robert_ancell | ok | 00:00 |
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| rickspencer3 | my fault, sorry guys | 00:00 |
| TheMuso | np | 00:00 |
| bryceh | heya | 00:02 |
| * bryceh grabs coffee | 00:02 | |
| * RAOF will need to get milk before coffee is a viable option. | 00:07 | |
| TheMuso | heh | 00:08 |
| jasoncwarner | TheMuso bryceh RAOF robert_ancell | 00:09 |
| jasoncwarner | back...ready for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-04-05 | 00:09 |
| jasoncwarner | ? | 00:09 |
| jasoncwarner | :) | 00:09 |
| RAOF | Wooo! My long, long delayed patch to make dh_clideps error out when it can't resolve dependencies has landed! | 00:09 |
| bryceh | ayup | 00:09 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: nice. | 00:09 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Yeah. Now things will fail to build rather than fail to run on systems without the appropriate -dev packages installed :) | 00:10 |
| jasoncwarner | RAOF: nice :) (not that I know what that is, but I'm happy you're happy) | 00:10 |
| TheMuso | Its mono related. | 00:10 |
| jasoncwarner | anyway...jumping into meeting | 00:10 |
| jasoncwarner | [TOPIC] X.org | 00:10 |
| bryceh | bugs consuming most of the time these days | 00:11 |
| RAOF | Bugs, bugs, bugs, bugs… | 00:11 |
| bryceh | I've been focusing heavily on -intel gpu lockup bugs since they're still coming in at a high rate | 00:11 |
| bryceh | mostly been trying to push them upstream quickly, so we can get patches to give to the kernel team | 00:12 |
| RAOF | I'm testing libdrm 2.4.24; it's got a bunch of intel bugfixes which resolve some bugs. | 00:12 |
| bryceh | RAOF, for the one bug we know about, I cherrypicked and uploaded the patch | 00:12 |
| bryceh | 2.4.24 has some other fixes but they look to me less relevant for natty | 00:13 |
| TheMuso | I really should hammer my recently acquired intel GPU more... | 00:13 |
| bryceh | and there were some instances of fixes-for-the-fixes ;-) | 00:13 |
| TheMuso | But when at home and working, I tend to prefer my desktop... | 00:13 |
| bryceh | RAOF, anyway so I'm wondering if maybe we should just hold off on updating libdrm and just pull in specific fixes if/when needed? but I don't have strong feelings | 00:14 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Yeah. Some of the 2.4.24 fixes are for new userspace on old kernels, which we don't much care about. | 00:14 |
| bryceh | today I also went through all of the -ati bugs and pushed about half upstream, and made a pass through -fglrx but most bugs there are invalid things from weird self-installs or whatnot | 00:14 |
| TheMuso | I thought things had to be rather tightly in sync for intel... | 00:15 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, sometimes | 00:15 |
| RAOF | If you want it to *work* :) | 00:15 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, libdrm 2.4.24 is mainly just a small handful of bug fixes | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | Ah ok. | 00:15 |
| jasoncwarner | hey bryceh, is the new fglrx driver included for those systems? I have a system running radeon and would like to try latest binary driver | 00:16 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner, yes you should be able to update to latest and then use jockey to install fglrx | 00:17 |
| bryceh | since fglrx arrived with so little time before beta1 we were able to get it in, but not update jockey | 00:17 |
| jasoncwarner | bryceh: awesome! | 00:17 |
| jasoncwarner | thanks | 00:17 |
| bryceh | so you need to update past beta1 and then can install it normally | 00:17 |
| jasoncwarner | cool...I'm upto date as of this morning so I should be fine...computer is media center upstrairs so I'll give that a go when we are done here | 00:18 |
| bryceh | anyway, the rate of incoming bugs is starting to exceed my capacity to keep up with them | 00:18 |
| bryceh | http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg | 00:18 |
| bryceh | help would be appreciated. I figure by beta2 the rate will just be too high to be able to stay on top of the bugs any further | 00:18 |
| RAOF | I'll do some more bug work, then. | 00:20 |
| jasoncwarner | Yikes! Ok...anyone that can give bryceh a hand, that would be awesome...seems that trend line is going crazy | 00:20 |
| RAOF | That's a terribly impressive graph, though. | 00:20 |
| bryceh | RAOF, thanks; in particular I haven't kept up with mesa, nouveau, or input drivers. | 00:21 |
| bryceh | although numbers for those are small | 00:21 |
| bryceh | I figure once we shut off the apport gpu and crash hooks that'll ease a little bit of pressure | 00:22 |
| bryceh | but probably should wait until post-beta2 to do that | 00:22 |
| TheMuso | Actually interesting you should mention that, for natty beta there hasn't been the super influx of audio bugs like usual, so thats good news. :) | 00:22 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner, anyway I'm rambling now. I'm done :-) | 00:22 |
| jasoncwarner | :) | 00:23 |
| jasoncwarner | cool | 00:23 |
| jasoncwarner | next topic [TOPIC] AOB | 00:23 |
| jasoncwarner | anythign else anyone wants to talk about? | 00:23 |
| micahg | o/ | 00:24 |
| RAOF | Have other people noticed moderately high CPU usage in Banshee? ~10% when playing with the window open? | 00:25 |
| jasoncwarner | RAOF: ;) you know I did yesterday :) | 00:25 |
| * TheMuso doesn't use banshee, there are still a11y issues with that, I really ort to dig into that a bit deeper. | 00:25 | |
| TheMuso | But I was personally happy with rhythmbox. | 00:25 |
| TheMuso | s/was/am/ | 00:25 |
| RAOF | There's no smoking gun in the profile, but since it doesn't seem to occur when the window is closed there are some good leads. | 00:26 |
| jasoncwarner | thanks, RAOF....keep digging..seems weird that it would jump to that much CPU just to play music...weird... | 00:27 |
| jasoncwarner | thanks! | 00:27 |
| jasoncwarner | Sounds like we are about done...Anything else before we call the meeting? | 00:27 |
| micahg | o/ | 00:27 |
| TheMuso | Its mono. What else do you expect? :) | 00:27 |
| * TheMuso ducks. | 00:27 | |
| jasoncwarner | micahg: ? | 00:27 |
| micahg | I wanted to ask about webkit 1.4 | 00:27 |
| jasoncwarner | micahg: go ahead | 00:27 |
| micahg | is robert_ancell planning on working on that? | 00:28 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, yes, there's a problem with the documentation build, working on that today | 00:28 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: ok, great thanks | 00:28 |
| robert_ancell | 1.3.13 that is, still waiting for 1.4.0... | 00:28 |
| * micahg thought 1.4.0 would come with GNOME3 this week | 00:29 | |
| TheMuso | Do I read the release schedule incorrectlyk, or is there no beta freeze for beta 2? | 00:29 |
| micahg | jasoncwarner: that's it, thanks :) | 00:29 |
| micahg | TheMuso: apr 11 | 00:29 |
| TheMuso | Ah makes sense. | 00:30 |
| TheMuso | Thats kinda cool, because it means I have some, if not all of Monday to do work. :) | 00:30 |
| micahg | actually, I think almost everyone has all of monday | 00:30 |
| RAOF | :) | 00:30 |
| TheMuso | ah ok. | 00:31 |
| TheMuso | So its EOD Monday. | 00:31 |
| * micahg thought freeze was 23:00 UTC monday | 00:31 | |
| TheMuso | Could very well be. | 00:31 |
| RAOF | Oh, so I'll have time to work on my birthday, too. :) | 00:31 |
| TheMuso | lol | 00:31 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: I'm assuming there haven't been any unplanned ABI breaks for webkit? | 00:32 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, in 1.3.13? | 00:32 |
| jasoncwarner | RAOF: nice...now none of us have excuses for not remember your bday ;) | 00:32 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: yes | 00:32 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, I didn't see any | 00:33 |
| TheMuso | jasoncwarner: My thoughts exactly. | 00:33 |
| jasoncwarner | ( RAOF : not saying we will...we just don't have excuses) | 00:33 |
| RAOF | jasoncwarner: It's a cunning ploy! | 00:33 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: also, could 1.2 be installed alongside 1.4? | 00:33 |
| jasoncwarner | Ok...going to call the official meeting...[END MEETING] | 00:33 |
| bryceh | thanks | 00:34 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, looking, I think not though | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey | 00:34 |
| TheMuso | thanks. | 00:34 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, just a reminder, if you update gvfs it uses merge-upstream so don't just run dch ;-) | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, I know! I'll probably just do something wrong though... | 00:35 |
| seb128 | lol | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so the process is to run merge-upstream, then debcommit -r? or just bzr commit? | 00:35 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, debcheckout gvfs; cd gvfs; bzr merge-upstream --version 1.8.0 tarball_url | 00:36 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, no, they would conflict | 00:36 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, then dch -i, do you packaging tweaks | 00:36 |
| seb128 | debcommit -r, push, upload | 00:36 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, I think I keep forgetting the -r, then it doesn't tag and it gets confused | 00:37 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, if you do gvfs maybe include http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=185180 | 00:37 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it's an upstream patch for bug #682850 | 00:37 |
| seb128 | 00:38 | |
| seb128 | otherwise out of gvfs | 00:38 |
| robert_ancell | bug 682850 | 00:38 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/682850 | 00:38 |
| seb128 | no bot? | 00:38 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, you're the bot today? | 00:38 |
| seb128 | lol | 00:39 |
| seb128 | no :p | 00:39 |
| seb128 | well we can as well wait for that on to land in git | 00:39 |
| seb128 | so don't bother maybe for that update | 00:39 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: ugh, that will make migrating away from xulrunner a little harder in the stable releases | 00:39 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, didn't upstream just say "no more xulrunner?". So hopefully everyone will be migrating away from it anyway! | 00:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, other topic while I'm still around, did you figure the documentation index ?index... error thing? I saw you fixed it for nautilus but other components have similar bugs | 00:40 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, which other components? gedit seemed fine, and I haven't seen any others | 00:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it was reported on gnome-panel at least | 00:40 |
| robert_ancell | the issue seemed to be anything accessing documentation from gnome-user-guide (which is V3 now) | 00:41 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: yes, so I was going to try to backport some of the newer versions of apps based on webkit, but most require some version of 1.3 as the minimum, I was thinking to rename 1.4 to like webkit-1.4 or something in the stable releases so these apps can basically be forklifted in | 00:41 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, renaming causes so many ongoing issues... | 00:41 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: well, it would just be for lucid and maverick and only for xul rdepends, I wouldn't want to touch the regular webkit aside from upgrading it :) | 00:42 |
| micahg | upgrading from the same branch 1.2.x | 00:42 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, urg, side effect of upgrading I guess, but it means we have user documentation describing GNOME3 on a GNOME 2.32? | 00:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes it's a bit of a mess. I'm hoping our doc people will modify it to fit. In the case of nautilus some deprecated feature documentation was gone, but that's not a big issue for us | 00:44 |
| seb128 | it's not like the documentation was uptodate or than users read it anyway... | 00:44 |
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| RAOF | Ah. *That's* why the overlay scrollbars are ugly on banshee! | 02:00 |
| RAOF | Incidentally, if we felt like making banshee start up faster we should really look into AOT compilation for some mono stuff; Banshee spends a bit more than 2 seconds JITing code on my machine. | 02:03 |
| TheMuso | youch | 02:06 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Something for next cycle. | 02:06 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 02:06 |
| TheMuso | I can only imagine how mono performs on atom CPUs. | 02:06 |
| TheMuso | Or arm for that matter. | 02:06 |
| RAOF | Not all of that is during startup, though; that's for an entire run. Much of it will be during startup, though. | 02:07 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 02:07 |
| RAOF | Yeah. They'd *really* want AOT wherever possible. | 02:07 |
| TheMuso | Wow, I wonder if the international issues are biting others on here... Appears to be between US/EU, or somewhere in the US. | 02:35 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: What are you seeing? Unable to resolve canonical.com again? | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Yeah. From what I've been reading, there are some major issues with a teer 1 provider in the US, level 3 or another of the big providers. | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | They were ok overnight it seems, but are falling over again, as evidence by me no longer being able to resolve ubuntu/canonical.com again. | 02:37 |
| TheMuso | ...and my several freenode and other IRC network dropouts. | 02:37 |
| RAOF | Eh. Whatever it is, it's not hitting my internode connection. | 02:37 |
| TheMuso | No, since Internode takes other paths out of Oz. | 02:38 |
| TheMuso | SOmething which I wish Telstra would do... | 02:38 |
| TheMuso | But overall I am on a good bundle with telstra atm for phone/mobile/net, and can get cable so, that makes things difficult if I want to move. | 02:38 |
| TheMuso | I'd go internode in a heartbeat if the line I had here was deacent quality/speed. | 02:39 |
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| TheMuso | I actually find it weird that for Telstra, we go via the US to get to EU. | 02:44 |
| RAOF | I find it a bit weird that there are different routes for different carriers. | 02:51 |
| RAOF | It's not like we've got a huge web of intercontinental links. | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. A deacent provider should depend on multiple routes. | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | Trouble is, Telstra half owns Reach, one of the major teer 1 providers for Aus, so... | 02:52 |
| TheMuso | They aren't likely to use anybody else. | 02:52 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 08:02 |
| jasoncwarner | morning didrocks! | 08:06 |
| pitti | good morning everyone! | 08:06 |
| jasoncwarner | morning pitti | 08:06 |
| pitti | hey jasoncwarner, how are you? | 08:06 |
| jasoncwarner | pretty good.., you ? | 08:06 |
| jasoncwarner | btw...looks like with you springing forward, and me falling back...the 1:1 is now 2 hours earlier ;) what do you think? want to jump on mumble? | 08:07 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner: sure | 08:08 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner: I'm in | 08:08 |
| jasoncwarner | just realizsed...never setup mumble after installing SSD...give me a few minutes | 08:08 |
| didrocks | morning jasoncwarner, pitti! | 08:10 |
| ricotz | pitti, good morning | 08:34 |
| ricotz | pitti, could you take a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgtop2/2.28.3-0ubuntu1 | 08:35 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 08:41 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: hihi | 08:41 |
| rodrigo_ | hey desrt | 08:42 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, hey | 08:44 |
| rodrigo_ | hi ricotz | 08:46 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, feel free to update some ppa packages :), i will stop for now, but i will take care of gedit | 08:47 |
| glatzor | moring mvo | 08:48 |
| pitti | ricotz: what about it? (sorry, was on phone) | 08:48 |
| mvo | hey glatzor! | 08:48 |
| pitti | ricotz: you want it NEWed? | 08:48 |
| glatzor | mvo, I am not sure which lintian tags to use by default. | 08:48 |
| pitti | meh, LP going down? | 08:49 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, I have updated a few in some spare moments, but I'm bug fixing, so going slowly | 08:49 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: hey | 08:49 |
| ricotz | pitti, hi, yes ;) | 08:49 |
| glatzor | mvo, I already added the option to load distro specific tags files | 08:49 |
| rodrigo_ | hi didrocks, pitti | 08:49 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: any idea why a gobject_new can crash apart from "no more memory"? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68241093/Stacktrace.txt | 08:49 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: the line is child = g_object_new (NA_TYPE_TRAY_CHILD, NULL); | 08:49 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, looking | 08:50 |
| mvo | glatzor: oh, I did not see that in the code | 08:50 |
| didrocks | (and yeah, it's not a computing error, we are using that functions hundreds of time) | 08:50 |
| mvo | glatzor: look at the data/lintian-checks from my branch, its a subset of the ftp-master tags from lintian | 08:50 |
| mvo | glatzor: but I removed the ones that where obviously not good | 08:50 |
| mvo | glatzor: like /opt in the package | 08:51 |
| mvo | thats fine for us | 08:51 |
| xclaesse | argh, postinst of the new kernel has a stupid typo | 08:51 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, no problem, i wont upload to it for some hours | 08:51 |
| xclaesse | && die | 08:51 |
| xclaesse | instead of || die | 08:51 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, hmm | 08:51 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: puzzling, isn't it? ;) | 08:51 |
| mvo | glatzor: just fyi, I look at #742935 next | 08:51 |
| pitti | ricotz: done | 08:51 |
| ricotz | pitti, thanks | 08:52 |
| mvo | glatzor: looks like a double release of a fd or something | 08:52 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, if it's not a coding error, it's either out of memory or memory corruption | 08:52 |
| glatzor | mvo, I would like to make the changes more transparent. so not removing checks but commenting them out. But how to handle overrides? should we call lintian twice? once with --no-override and the fatal tags and once with the non-fatal ones? | 08:52 |
| rodrigo_ | although the object pointer (0x1000000) looks weird indeed | 08:52 |
| mvo | glatzor: that sounds sensible | 08:52 |
| mvo | glatzor: did you merge my other stuff as well? like the exitcode check ? currently we report bad-quality even if its lintian itself that is failing :) | 08:53 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, can you easily replicate? | 08:53 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: not at all | 08:53 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, memory corruption then? | 08:54 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: yeah, the new object pointer adress is what tell me it's out of memory | 08:54 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: I would say so | 08:54 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: will confirm with Neil as well, thanks :) | 08:54 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, no problem :) | 08:54 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, if someone can replicate, running it with valgrind will give the answer | 08:54 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: yeah, but it seems $random, even if I try to add/remove a lot of apps appearing in the systray | 08:57 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 08:57 |
| seb128 | hey | 09:02 |
| rodrigo_ | hi seb128 | 09:02 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_, how are you? | 09:02 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, I'm fine, and you? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit tired today, I stayed up quite late, but otherwise ok | 09:04 |
| seb128 | getting some coffee so it should be better after that ;-) | 09:05 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, saw last night you were late working | 09:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey | 09:20 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 09:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, how are you? | 09:21 |
| pitti | seb128: pretty well, thanks! et toi? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit tired but fine otherwise | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you already see the retracers crash on what is current in the amd64 log? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | in get_source_tree | 09:22 |
| pitti | I didn't, no | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you want apport bugs for such cases or should I just declare the bug buggy untag and restart? | 09:23 |
| pitti | AssertionError: could not determine source tree root directory | 09:23 |
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| seb128 | (well restart when launchpad will be back to rw) | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: I think this is worth fixing | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: in particualr, it should just skip the source stack trace here, as it usually seems to work | 09:24 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll fix it right now | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, thanks a lot! | 09:24 |
| pitti | hm, hang on | 09:25 |
| pitti | this assertion is really justified, I guess it's a special case with a weird naming | 09:25 |
| seb128 | oh? | 09:25 |
| pitti | PYTHONPATH=. python -c 'import apport; print apport.packaging.get_source_tree ("indicator-weather", "/tmp/x", "11.03.27+repack-0ubuntu1")' | 09:29 |
| pitti | hm, that doesn't crash here :/ | 09:29 |
| * pitti tries in teh chroot | 09:29 | |
| pitti | ImportError: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found (required by /tmp/tmpfREm2I/usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10) | 09:30 |
| pitti | le huh? | 09:30 |
| pitti | apt-get itself is broken now :/ | 09:31 |
| pitti | ah, ignore me; was in the lucid dchroot | 09:31 |
| pitti | seb128: meh, NFC I'm afraid; I can't reproduce it in the chroot either :/ | 09:33 |
| pitti | and now we need to wait for LP to come back anyway, once it does I'll try a manual apport-retrace | 09:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok | 09:34 |
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| seb128 | does anyone know if geoclue will activate on demand? | 09:44 |
| seb128 | bug #740484 is a crasher that some users seem to get when it start but the computer is not online yet | 09:45 |
| seb128 | but that's a non issue if it get respawned later I guess | 09:45 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue/+bug/740484 | 09:46 |
| seb128 | other polkit-gnome has an assert quite some users are running into: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/741425 | 09:46 |
| seb128 | could be a crash on logout though | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson_ | good morning everyone | 09:50 |
| glatzor | mvo, since lp is down I will merge the lintian branch in the evening. | 09:53 |
| mvo | glatzor: thnx | 09:53 |
| mvo | glatzor: yeah, its a bit anoying for me as well, if only bzr would stay up | 09:53 |
| glatzor | mvo, you can now ship a separate data/lintian-nonfatal.tags.Ubuntu and data/lintian-fatal.tags.Ubuntu | 09:54 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson_ | 09:54 |
| seb128 | hey glatzor mvo | 09:54 |
| chrisccoulson_ | hi seb128, how are you? | 09:54 |
| glatzor | mvo, I recently discovered "import lsb_release; lsb_release.get_distro_information()". Makes life easier. | 09:54 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson_, I'm fine though a bit tired, what about you? | 09:54 |
| glatzor | hello seb128 ! | 09:55 |
| glatzor | seb128, mvo, see you guys! have to go to work now. | 09:55 |
| seb128 | have fun ;-) | 09:55 |
| chrisccoulson_ | seb128 - yeah, a bit tired too. bug 663294 is giving me a real headache now | 09:56 |
| rodrigo_ | oh, lp in read-only mode | 09:57 |
| mvo | glatzor: great work! | 09:57 |
| mvo | glatzor: thanks and see you | 09:57 |
| glatzor | mvo, I plan to revert 596.1.1 and just switch to a non-interactive session if the controlling terminal cannot be attached | 09:59 |
| glatzor | mvo, it was a stupid idea to keep the tty open all the time. | 09:59 |
| glatzor | have a nice day! | 10:00 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Good day, Martin! | 10:00 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Even if you seem to be busy, do you have time to sponsor the l-s side of bug 742857? Basically you already read to document last Friday. | 10:00 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: While I think the document should be uploaded for Natty, I suggest that translations are postponed as explained in comment #7. | 10:00 |
| mvo | dpm: hello! sorry if I missed your answer yesterday, but when is the next natty langpack upload planned? | 10:11 |
| mvo | dpm: there is a file overwrite issue (with packagekit.mo) in the current ones | 10:11 |
| pitti | mvo: do you need one urgently? I was planning to do a new -base one for beta-2 | 10:12 |
| mvo | not urgently, just would be nice to know when to expect the auto-upgrade-tester to go more "non-red" again | 10:12 |
| dpm | mvo, sorry, it was me who missed the question, pitti can answer this one best ^ | 10:12 |
| pitti | mvo: bug 744831 you men? | 10:12 |
| pitti | mean | 10:12 |
| pitti | hey GunnarHj | 10:12 |
| mvo | yes | 10:13 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: hey, did you get to the static unity Quicklist bug on libreoffice? | 10:13 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: oh, sure, I'll be happy to | 10:13 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: let's see how far I get while LP is readonly | 10:14 |
| pitti | ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused | 10:14 |
| pitti | meh | 10:14 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: I'll do that as soon as it comes back online | 10:14 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: bug 720716? | 10:14 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Thanks! | 10:14 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: it's still sitting in my mailbox, was planning to do that anyway today (was busy with a rather big patch/debugging session Mo/Tu, sorry) | 10:15 |
| Tommeh | Hi all. Currently having fun with gnome-shell, but missing all the themes (and no apparent application to switch themes either) | 10:15 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: I will give it a try today. | 10:15 |
| Tommeh | Currently have gnome-shell installed via the gnome3 ppa, on Natty 11.04 Beta. | 10:15 |
| seb128 | launchpad is back | 10:15 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: yeah, this is important to design and we should give time to translator | 10:15 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: No problem. I understand that you always are busy with about 100 things. :) | 10:15 |
| Tommeh | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 10:15 |
| Tommeh | gnome-themes: Depends: gtk3-engines-pixbuf which is a virtual package. | 10:15 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: backports were a bit nasty this time around. | 10:16 |
| Tommeh | That's what I get when I try to install gnome-themes from the PPA. | 10:16 |
| didrocks | I think natty > backports :) | 10:16 |
| seb128 | Tommeh, hi, try #ubuntu for user questions but basically GNOME dropped the appearance capplet and there is only one theme available for the new gtk | 10:16 |
| desrt | Tommeh: and gnome-tweak-tool is your friend | 10:17 |
| seb128 | right, natty > backports, I agree with didrocks | 10:17 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: me too. But my inbox disagrees usually. | 10:17 |
| desrt | Tommeh: you can just check it out of git and run it directly from the checkout. no need to compile. | 10:17 |
| Tommeh | desrt/seb128: thanks. | 10:18 |
| desrt | Tommeh: it lets you change quite a lot of things, including the theme | 10:18 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: check with chrisccoulson_ and dpm for translation btw, they dealt with that in the same case than yours (meaning: translation not in launchpad) | 10:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm restarting the i386 retracer and let the amd64 down for you to debug | 10:18 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, LP back up? | 10:18 |
| desrt | Tommeh: changing the theme of the shell itself is somewhat more complicated -- it involves replacing a directory in /usr... but it is possible | 10:18 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm currnetly logged into the amd64 one | 10:18 |
| Tommeh | Currently I'd be happy with the stnadard theme | 10:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, it's back | 10:18 |
| pitti | nice | 10:18 |
| Tommeh | I'm on some form of horrid 'fallback' gnome theme at the minute :) | 10:19 |
| pitti | awesome | 10:19 |
| desrt | Tommeh: oh. install the gnome-themes-standard package | 10:19 |
| desrt | it has adwaita in it | 10:19 |
| Tommeh | Ah, I've done that since removing a conflicting package (gnome-accessibility-themes) | 10:19 |
| Tommeh | But gnome-themes won't install from the PPA | 10:19 |
| Tommeh | It's still the natty version. | 10:19 |
| Tommeh | Due to the error above | 10:19 |
| desrt | don't worry about that one. gnome-themes-standard is what is necessary | 10:19 |
| Tommeh | Depending on a package that isn't in the PPA | 10:20 |
| Tommeh | Ahh, OK | 10:20 |
| Tommeh | Logout time -- brb :) | 10:20 |
| desrt | just logout -> back in | 10:20 |
| desrt | ya :) | 10:20 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, did you just rm the log file? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, rotated it sorry | 10:20 |
| pitti | ah | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's log_20110406.gz | 10:20 |
| pitti | yep, thanks | 10:21 |
| Tommeh | Bang, I has a theme. | 10:21 |
| Tommeh | Many thanks desrt :) | 10:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, I want a clean log will make easier to run my "get recent bugs which get duplicates" | 10:21 |
| pitti | *nod* | 10:21 |
| desrt | Tommeh: no problems :) | 10:24 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: great job! | 10:25 |
| Tommeh | It doesn't seem to like letting me manage two screens .. I have one screen that I can switch between workspaces, and one that's just 'stuck' with one workspace... Almost like it was never intended to be managed. | 10:25 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: one question, why did you add a no-op on_button_load_help_clicked()? | 10:25 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: isn't setting the uri button propery enough? | 10:25 |
| Tommeh | But that's almost nice, as I can have persistant applications (like xchat) in on screen, whilst switching others. | 10:25 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: it works fine without; do you mind if I remove the dummy handler while merging? | 10:28 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: If it works, I don't mind at all. | 10:29 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: GTK is another area I know very little about. :( | 10:29 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: uploaded, thanks a lot! | 10:30 |
| desrt | Tommeh: multi-monitor is a sore spot in the shell. a bunch of changes landed recently (a couple of weeks ago) to vastly improve the situation but it still leaves quite a bit to be desired | 10:30 |
| desrt | Tommeh: i sense that it's not a priority for them right now | 10:31 |
| Tommeh | desrt: I guess so! Well, at least it's not just me :) | 10:38 |
| Tommeh | I'm happier to know things are weird/broken for everyone, rather than just on my machine. | 10:38 |
| desrt | Tommeh: the gnome3 PPA is, frankly, one of the worst ways to try gnome3 at the moment | 10:39 |
| desrt | it's very deeply broken | 10:39 |
| Tommeh | Yep :( | 10:39 |
| desrt | which is quite understandable, given that the people behind it have their concerns in other places at the moment | 10:39 |
| desrt | i expect it will get quite a lot better after the ubuntu release | 10:39 |
| Tommeh | Finger's crossed :) | 10:40 |
| pitti | desrt: FWIW, currently writing GNOME30-Live-latest.iso to an USB stick; I'm curious :) | 10:40 |
| desrt | pitti: i understand the fedora 15 beta is one of the best choices... | 10:41 |
| cassidy | seb128, since I updated to Natty, Evolution took the bad habit to be confused with some of my imap mails: the title of the mail is correct, but when I click on it it displays a unrelated old mail. Is that a known issue ? | 10:44 |
| seb128 | not that I know about | 10:44 |
| seb128 | like the preview doesn't match you select in the list? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | what protocol do you use? | 10:45 |
| desrt | pitti: let me know what you think, in any case | 10:45 |
| pitti | desrt: the mini 10 touchpad still sucks even with gnome 3! | 10:45 |
| pitti | j/k | 10:45 |
| cassidy | seb128, imap+. The preview is correct but the displayed mail is not | 10:45 |
| desrt | pitti: and the trackpoint on my thinkpad is still red! i thought this new CSS theme would allow me to customise that! | 10:46 |
| desrt | where is my refund?! | 10:46 |
| seb128 | cassidy, like if you double click to open it? | 10:46 |
| seb128 | cassidy, I never open email I just read them in the preview | 10:46 |
| cassidy | seb128, oh yeah. By preview I meant the title in the treeview | 10:47 |
| cassidy | seb128, the mail is wrong in the pane displaying the full mail and if I double click on it | 10:47 |
| seb128 | cassidy, then no, works correctly there | 10:47 |
| seb128 | check on #evolution on the gnome irc maybe | 10:47 |
| cassidy | seb128, how hard are you patching evolution? ie, should I open an upstream or lp bug ? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | upstream | 10:49 |
| cassidy | k | 10:49 |
| seb128 | or ask on #evolution if you want to start | 10:49 |
| seb128 | we do patch a bit but only for ui tweaks | 10:49 |
| seb128 | we don't do anything which has to do with the mailer | 10:49 |
| pitti | desrt: hm, I see the initial throbber, then nothing happens any more, got some trouble booting | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, wait a bit I guess | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, how much did you wait? | 10:50 |
| pitti | a minute or so | 10:50 |
| pitti | but the first time I tried it it booted in some 15 s | 10:50 |
| pitti | but then I tried suspend, and it crashed, so I rebooted | 10:50 |
| pitti | and now it doesn't come back | 10:50 |
| seb128 | I need to try it again as well | 10:50 |
| pitti | let me fiddle a bit | 10:50 |
| seb128 | but I think I'm going to miss having a launcher on screen with GNOME3 | 10:52 |
| pitti | ah, coming back now; took a lot longer, though | 10:52 |
| pitti | desrt: so, works pretty well here! not too much fun without wifi, though (bloody broadcom chipset..) | 10:56 |
| pitti | desrt: by now I got used to Windows - search term - enter to launch apps, so that's pretty familiar :) | 10:56 |
| desrt | pitti: did you at least take a peek at the new networkmanager integration? | 10:57 |
| pitti | the theme is too generous with spacing/sizing for a small netbook screen, but otherwise this looks quite nice :) | 10:57 |
| desrt | (even without networks) | 10:57 |
| desrt | pitti: yes. i agree quite a lot on the theme. i just switched to another -- inset. | 10:57 |
| pitti | desrt: I did, yes; I really like the status message there | 10:57 |
| desrt | pitti: i mean about the menu | 10:58 |
| desrt | network-manager with the translucent shell theme for menus | 10:58 |
| desrt | pretty neat | 10:58 |
| pitti | desrt: the "wired - cable unplugged" and "wireless - firmware missing", that's quite clean | 10:58 |
| desrt | pitti: actually, those notifications are still annoying in some cases | 10:58 |
| pitti | desrt: yeah, very glossy | 10:58 |
| pitti | desrt: I didn't get any notification yet | 10:58 |
| desrt | you still often see the "disconnected from network xyz" when opening your laptop after having disconnected from the network a long time ago | 10:59 |
| desrt | and the "don't show this again" button doesn't actually work :/ | 10:59 |
| pitti | the black translucent windows look very elegant (I'm just not a big fan of dark themes, but still) | 10:59 |
| desrt | pitti: i agree quite a lot. the black is just too... black | 10:59 |
| desrt | but the gloss isn't so bad | 10:59 |
| pitti | desrt: is there a way to quick launch your favourite apps? such as Windows+1 or so? | 10:59 |
| desrt | i think the idea was so that it would fade into the background and let you focus on the work | 11:00 |
| desrt | pitti: no. | 11:00 |
| desrt | this is a point that unity wins on, i think | 11:00 |
| desrt | at the same time, it's not so important | 11:00 |
| desrt | since windows+f+enter is sufficient to get firefox | 11:00 |
| pitti | right | 11:00 |
| desrt | and the search gives higher preference to items that you've marked as favourites (ie: on the dash) | 11:00 |
| pitti | desrt: work flow wise they are really quite similar to me | 11:00 |
| desrt | so that helps | 11:01 |
| pitti | the indicator layout, the windows/overlay dash handling, etc. | 11:01 |
| desrt | ya | 11:01 |
| pitti | how do I opena nautilus window, though? | 11:01 |
| desrt | there are quite some similarities | 11:01 |
| desrt | pitti: add 'files' to your dash | 11:01 |
| desrt | (should be there by default?) | 11:02 |
| pitti | apparently I'm too blind to see a 'Home' button or so | 11:02 |
| desrt | pitti: i think it's not there, actually | 11:02 |
| desrt | and the apparent lack of meaningful desktop is also somewhat distressing | 11:02 |
| pitti | win+hom+enter works | 11:02 |
| pitti | oh, I can't dnd to the background | 11:03 |
| desrt | no. the desktop is no longer shown as the background | 11:03 |
| desrt | it's just some folder in ~ now, with no special meaning | 11:03 |
| desrt | (wtf?) | 11:03 |
| desrt | you can turn the desktop back on with gnome-tweak-tool but apparently the designers found the idea of a desktop to be distracting | 11:03 |
| pitti | ah, I saw a notification now, from RB | 11:03 |
| desrt | so it's off by default | 11:03 |
| seb128 | I like having a desktop ;-) | 11:04 |
| desrt | seb128: ya... no kidding | 11:04 |
| desrt | i also like having a minimise button | 11:04 |
| seb128 | that I don't care much about | 11:04 |
| desrt | fortunate it's still possible to get both of them back again | 11:04 |
| pitti | well, it tends to make people not care about where they put their files, though | 11:04 |
| pitti | my mother's desktop looks horrible | 11:04 |
| pitti | basically everything she ever touched | 11:04 |
| desrt | pitti: that's sort of the point, actually | 11:04 |
| pitti | right | 11:04 |
| desrt | 3.2 is going to bring some tracker/zeitgeist love | 11:05 |
| pitti | I think the zeitgeist approach and search is a better long-term strategy | 11:05 |
| desrt | yup | 11:05 |
| pitti | desrt: I've never been a big fan of these tracker/indexer/etc. stuff, I know where my stuff is | 11:05 |
| pitti | but admittedly zeitgeist feels pretty good and magic to me | 11:05 |
| desrt | i almost get the impression that the desktop was disabled to increase the pain-level to push us in that direction faster | 11:05 |
| pitti | it even digs out some images I recently looked at from the evolution cache (email attachment), etc. | 11:05 |
| desrt | magic is magic! | 11:06 |
| pitti | desrt: well, if people need to be taught to get used to a new workflow, why not do it all the way through :) | 11:06 |
| desrt | pitti: i won't comment on the motiviations of the designers of the shell | 11:06 |
| pitti | being an old fart in this the concept of files and folders is deeply molten into my brain | 11:06 |
| desrt | because they're a bit of a mystery to me, to be honest | 11:06 |
| pitti | but then again, on my Android phone I never think in terms of files and folders | 11:06 |
| pitti | (where I'm only a user, not a developer) | 11:07 |
| pitti | and it really feels right | 11:07 |
| desrt | thus far i've managed to avoid getting a smartphone | 11:07 |
| desrt | but i guess that will end quite soon -- nexus S is in canada on april 14 | 11:07 |
| pitti | desrt: that's the problem -- once you have one, you won't ever go back :) | 11:08 |
| desrt | which means that from april 14 to april 24th or so, i'll get no work done because of angry birds | 11:08 |
| pitti | that would have been a nice bday present :) | 11:08 |
| desrt | funny you should mention that because my birthday is quite soon | 11:08 |
| desrt | but i don't think i can wait :) | 11:08 |
| pitti | desrt: so I think the biggest thing that I miss from the current live image is a good files/document search/log integration (or maybe I haven't found it yet) | 11:08 |
| pitti | desrt: when? | 11:09 |
| pitti | mine is April 14th | 11:09 |
| desrt | pitti: i think you don't miss it -- it's just not there | 11:09 |
| desrt | may 3 | 11:09 |
| pitti | natty beta 2, nexus S | 11:09 |
| desrt | same as david barth :) | 11:09 |
| pitti | desrt: hm, I thought pushing people to work more document and less app centric was a major goal? | 11:10 |
| desrt | pitti: ya. i think that's complete BS to be honest | 11:10 |
| desrt | gnome-shell SCREAMS app-centric | 11:10 |
| pitti | there should at least be some links to the standard XDG dirs | 11:10 |
| desrt | (as does unity) | 11:10 |
| pitti | documents/photos/etc. | 11:10 |
| desrt | i'm not a fan | 11:10 |
| pitti | unity+zeitgeist is sort of a hybrid | 11:10 |
| pitti | if you search stuff, it comes up with files and apps | 11:11 |
| pitti | still no xdg dir links, though | 11:11 |
| desrt | this is not usually what i think of when i think doc-centric | 11:11 |
| pitti | yes, I agree | 11:11 |
| desrt | finding docs is one thing, sure | 11:11 |
| desrt | but the *identity* of what is open already, and what you're working with | 11:11 |
| desrt | in both unity and g-s, it's very much tied to the application icon | 11:11 |
| pitti | I mean, I don't need/want it to find all my source checkouts etc., but finding music or LibO files would be great | 11:12 |
| desrt | which i think is extremely wrong on a very fundamental level | 11:12 |
| pitti | windows + floyd wall enter | 11:12 |
| pitti | should kick me right into RB with The Wall playing | 11:12 |
| desrt | you could pick a better album :) | 11:12 |
| desrt | (jokes) | 11:13 |
| pitti | windows + apo should show me my Apocalyptica albums, etc. | 11:13 |
| desrt | ah. that's good stuff, now! | 11:13 |
| pitti | or windows + tagname all my photos which are tagged with that | 11:13 |
| pitti | but I guess that's still a looong way to go | 11:13 |
| desrt | i think we'll see this happening quite soon | 11:13 |
| desrt | (or things like this) | 11:13 |
| desrt | it's a big feature item for 3.2 | 11:14 |
| pitti | that sounds all very zeitgeist/trackerish indeed | 11:14 |
| seb128 | you guys are keyboard freaks, I'm wondering what normal user want ;-) | 11:14 |
| desrt | i think i want to kill the dash | 11:14 |
| desrt | not sure what i'd replace it with, though | 11:14 |
| desrt | maybe nothing | 11:14 |
| desrt | the window switcher applet was actually sort of nice :) | 11:15 |
| desrt | it listed the windows you had open (ignoring tabs, this is equivalent to documents) | 11:15 |
| desrt | so.. quite good! | 11:15 |
| pitti | desrt: the alt+tab one looks suspiciously like the XFCE one :) | 11:15 |
| desrt | ya.. don't get me started on alt+tab | 11:16 |
| desrt | that's the other thing on my gnome-shell hate list :) | 11:16 |
| desrt | again -- application centric. lame. | 11:16 |
| pitti | desrt: I guess I'm enough of a design philistine to not care too much :) | 11:16 |
| desrt | i fail to understand how gmail is any more related to facebook than it is to my word processor document | 11:16 |
| desrt | (which to drive the point home could very easily be either google docs or libreoffice) | 11:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, hum, the i386 retracer crashed on the same assertion | 11:19 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, I'll stop playing with gnome3 now, and turn my attention to this :) | 11:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 11:19 |
| pitti | seb128: I can reproduce it in the chroot, now need to track it down | 11:19 |
| desrt | pitti: thanks for your opinions, btw | 11:19 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, what was the nvidia's GL problem you talked about yesterday? | 11:20 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/590160/ <- could it be this? | 11:20 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, what problem? the cairo one? | 11:21 |
| cassidy | seb128, #evolution has been surprisingly helpful. I fixed the issue by dropping my mail cache and opened https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646898 | 11:21 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes | 11:21 |
| seb128 | cassidy, they usually are ;-) | 11:21 |
| pitti | desrt: so in summary, I really like the simplified network/bluetooth/a11y settings and the general design; more netbook friendly theming/window sizes and better file/XDG dir access are the main quirks that I see | 11:21 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the nvidia binary driver create quite some ram use for each process using gl | 11:22 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, which is basically every gtk application when cairo is built with gl | 11:22 |
| desrt | pitti: nice to hear from positive words from "the other team" :p | 11:22 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I'm afraid not; I was talking about bug 725434 | 11:22 |
| pitti | desrt: well, it's not like we wouldn't have these problems :) | 11:23 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, but a cairo app (evo in this case) might crash with out-of-memory conditions because of that bug, right? | 11:24 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ah, yes | 11:24 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ok, thanks | 11:25 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| cdbs | rodrigo_: Your work on the PPA looks nice, now that GNOME 3 is close to release. You can take a look at my own packaging of gdm at ppa:bilalakhtar/gnome-builds | 11:46 |
| cdbs | rodrigo_: I don't think that version of gdm is okay, but somehow it builds and runs | 11:47 |
| cdbs | hence I didn't upload it to the PPA | 11:47 |
| cdbs | where the PPA is the GNOME3 ppa | 11:47 |
| rodrigo_ | cdbs, cool, and yes, we need more testing, so keep it there for now | 11:51 |
| rodrigo_ | cdbs, I'll install and test it as soon as I've got a minute free | 11:51 |
| cdbs | rodrigo_: thanks | 11:51 |
| cdbs | rodrigo_: don't add that PPA, just manually download the package and try it | 11:51 |
| rodrigo_ | cdbs, yes | 11:54 |
| rodrigo_ | can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/evolution-couchdb/correct_cache_dir/+merge/56551 (already uploaded) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you still work on the retracers? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok | 12:39 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, thanks | 12:39 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you're welcome | 12:39 |
| rodrigo_ | :) | 12:40 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| pitti | seb128: yes, it's quite a bit more difficult than I thought, I'm afraid | 13:04 |
| pitti | seb128: was at lunch now, and had some IRC discussions before, too | 13:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, is that specific to a bug? it started before the launchpad update so shouldn't be it | 13:05 |
| seb128 | hello mterry | 13:05 |
| mterry | seb128, hi! | 13:06 |
| seb128 | mterry, thanks for the geoname update email, nice to see that you managed to get locations filtered ;-) | 13:06 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah, i was excited | 13:07 |
| pitti | seb128: if the i386 retracer crashed as well, it doesn't sound too specific | 13:07 |
| pitti | seb128: did the i386 one crash on indicator-weather as well? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's weird it just started today | 13:08 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: Could you give me a hint on how the mapping of application windows to desktop entries works? I removed the libreoffice-javafilter.desktop file here (which is problematic in itself it seems) and ran update-desktop-cache. Unfortunately, my writer windows have now neither a name, nor a icon in the launcher. | 13:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, dunno, I haven't check the bug it crashed on | 13:08 |
| pitti | it's certainly mvo's fault! | 13:08 |
| seb128 | it's always mvo's fault | 13:08 |
| pitti | seb128: the fun thing is that it shouldn't even get that far | 13:09 |
| pitti | we don't currently have deb-src lines in the chroots | 13:09 |
| pitti | so apt-get source should already fail | 13:09 |
| mvo | hmm? | 13:09 |
| seb128 | oh, so it is mvo's fault! | 13:09 |
| pitti | still too early to point blame, let me dig deeper | 13:10 |
| * pitti hugs mvo | 13:10 | |
| seb128 | mvo, no worry, retracers crashing again, nothing special ;-) | 13:10 |
| mvo | ohhh | 13:11 |
| * mvo hides, just in case | 13:11 | |
| seb128 | mvo, but pitti suggested the apt-get source behaviour could have changed if you don't have a deb-src source | 13:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, but well let him confirm it before investigating ;-) | 13:11 |
| mvo | that might be possible, there were changes in this area. from what version to what version? | 13:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, that started this night so something uploaded yesterday? | 13:12 |
| seb128 | they update daily | 13:12 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: the mapping is made by bamf, there is a debug interface to know where the mapping is done. Anyway, just edit the default desktop files we set it the launcher (you don't need libreoffice to be running for that) | 13:13 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, there is a new apt and a new python-apt but it *should* only affect multiarch setups | 13:14 |
| mvo | seb128: can I see the trace of the crash? | 13:14 |
| seb128 | mvo, well as said it might be something else, it's just what pitti wrote before | 13:14 |
| * rodrigo_ lunch | 13:15 | |
| seb128 | mvo, it's not "crashing", it's that apt-get source should fail because there is no deb-src source but it doesn't apparently | 13:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, where "fail" might be the return value changed | 13:16 |
| mvo | ok | 13:16 |
| seb128 | mvo, but wait for pitti to debug it before spending time on that | 13:16 |
| mvo | ok | 13:16 |
| seb128 | nessita, hola seniorita ;-) | 13:17 |
| pitti | a mere apt-get source exits with 100, that looks fine | 13:17 |
| nessita | seb128: bon jour monsieur! | 13:17 |
| seb128 | nessita, how are you? | 13:17 |
| nessita | pretty good! having some net issues, but good :-) | 13:17 |
| nessita | you? | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks ;-) | 13:17 |
| pitti | meh, as soon as I add some debugging it crashes | 13:18 |
| pitti | or hangs, or immediately exits with 0 | 13:19 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: well, my writer window showed up as "LibreOffice Small Device Import Filter", which it seems to get from /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-javafilter.desktop. So I removed that and ran update-desktop-cache hoping I would now get the entry from /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-writer.desktop. Unfortunately, now I get neither an icon nor a title. | 13:19 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, how do you start those? | 13:20 |
| didrocks | ok, letting seb128 dealing with it, back to hack! ;) | 13:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ;-) | 13:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that's the spirit! | 13:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, I hate X, it's definitive :) | 13:21 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: Launcher->Applications->LibreOffice Writer (in "Most Frequently Used") | 13:21 |
| seb128 | hum | 13:22 |
| seb128 | can you try to double click on an odt from nautilus for example | 13:22 |
| seb128 | just to see if it behaves the same? | 13:22 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: still "LibreOffice Small Device Import Filter" | 13:24 |
| seb128 | did that issue start recently? | 13:24 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: no, I think its older. | 13:25 |
| * Sweetshark builds LO much more than using it. | 13:26 | |
| Sweetshark | both libreoffice-javafilter.desktop and libreoffice-writer.desktop suspiciously have the same "Exec:" line. | 13:27 |
| seb128 | right, it tries to match running binaries to .desktop | 13:27 |
| seb128 | but when started with something gio it should get the information on what .desktop to use from gio directly | 13:28 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, bug #751025 | 13:29 |
| seb128 | mterry, do you feel like debugging the crash you just reported? it seems like bug #434825 and a downstream crash likely | 13:30 |
| seb128 | mterry, the call is coming from libindicate | 13:30 |
| mterry | seb128, sure, I can look at it | 13:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, thanks | 13:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, do you have things to do otherwise or do you want extra bug? | 13:32 |
| seb128 | mterry, if I don't ping you with anything specific maybe just tackle indicator bugs if you feel like working on | 13:32 |
| mterry | seb128, I've got a couple things, but if you have extra bugs just lying around, I can queue them up | 13:32 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok, I've nothing specific right now but I will do another indicator stack bug review today so I might bounce a few your way | 13:33 |
| mterry | k | 13:33 |
| pitti | seb128: erk, I ran it locally on bug 751695, which worked, so I now killed the core dump; but the i386 crashed on teh same problem, so I'll now move on to that and will restart the amd64 one in the meantime | 13:34 |
| seb128 | mterry, having the geonames translation thing sorted would be nice but I'm not sure how doable that is for natty | 13:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok | 13:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, let me know if I can help there | 13:34 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, so yeah, seems there is an unity bug there, I will get Jason to join the channel to discuss it when he comes online (he's in the U.S) | 13:35 |
| mterry | seb128, I feel like it's close | 13:35 |
| seb128 | mterry, btw ev said yesterday he would do a db update and ask I.S to roll it | 13:36 |
| seb128 | mterry, I want to see if that fixes case like san francisco or lima not having any matching result | 13:36 |
| mterry | seb128, oh ok. hopefully after merging my filter branch? | 13:36 |
| seb128 | mterry, he said your review was on his list for today | 13:36 |
| seb128 | so yeah, that should land as well | 13:37 |
| mterry | seb128, I think my filter will. I *think* lima for example was just dropping off after too many hits. Sorting by population brings it to the top | 13:37 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: #751025 is close on it. I also get the window show up as "LibreOffice Small Device Format Importer". If I "apt-get remove libreoffice-filter-mobiledev" I get no title to the window at all. Calc on the other hand just works fine. | 13:37 |
| seb128 | mterry, oh, great! | 13:37 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/bamf/libreoffice-705461/+merge/49245 | 13:38 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, if that's of any use that's the commit pitti did to get libreoffice to work | 13:38 |
| pitti | I might have missed a few cases, I more or less just adapted teh OO.o bits | 13:39 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, how can the i386 one have crashed in the log and yet the process is still running? | 13:40 |
| pitti | ooh | 13:40 |
| pitti | 1000 25626 0.0 0.0 25632 1940 ? D 00:08 0:00 apt-get --assume-yes source indicator-weather=11.03.27+repack-0ubuntu1 | 13:40 |
| pitti | that thing has hanged for 14 hours now | 13:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, weird | 13:40 |
| * pitti kills all stuff and starts over | 13:41 | |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, I've a suspicion something broke broke the gio .desktop matching logic | 13:41 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, but in any case seems an unity issue, not one on your side | 13:41 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: well, it seems to work for Calc windows, but fails for writer. The desktop files look the same though. | 13:44 |
| === dobey_ is now known as dobey | ||
| Sweetshark | (modulo the issue with the libreoffice-javafilter.desktop file, but I still get no icon after uninstalling libreoffice-filter-mobiledev) | 13:46 |
| === maxb_ is now known as maxb | ||
| ameyJ | hi, where should I look for, | 14:15 |
| ameyJ | if I want indicator applet session apis | 14:15 |
| seb128 | ameyJ, hey, what api exactly? what are you trying to do? | 14:16 |
| ameyJ | @seb128, I want to set MeMenu to away when I am locking my computer either via menu or via ctrl+alt+L | 14:16 |
| seb128 | there is no indicator specific api for that | 14:17 |
| seb128 | your im client likely has dbus apis to do that though | 14:17 |
| ameyJ | ok, so you mean to say. I should look for dbus event | 14:18 |
| ameyJ | ok cool | 14:18 |
| ameyJ | thansk seb128. will work on this direction now | 14:18 |
| pitti | seb128: this is really driving me mad.. I run "apport-retrace -uvo /tmp/x.crash --auth /tmp/auth 752174" and get that crash, with a dubious debugging output | 14:25 |
| pitti | I run it again, and it exits (with 0!) immediately | 14:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine, didrocks, seb128: do you know what needs to happen to make the new overlay scrollbars the default? | 14:27 |
| pitti | besides the GTK patch (which we have now), there's liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-dev, but merely installing the library won't magically enable them, or will it? | 14:28 |
| pitti | do we need to build something against liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-dev? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, nothing, just install overlay-scrollbar | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | that is it | 14:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, gtk will open it and use it available | 14:29 |
| pitti | *scratches head*, which package is that? | 14:30 |
| pitti | the overlay-scrollbar source only builds the library | 14:30 |
| pitti | Package: overlay-scrollbar | 14:30 |
| pitti | Binary: liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0, liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-dev | 14:30 |
| didrocks | liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0 is enough for the current gtk | 14:31 |
| didrocks | liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-dev isn't needed because it's a dlopen | 14:31 |
| pitti | ah I remember that hack (aside from the fact that I missed the bad packaging (non-SONAME-specific files in the library) | 14:32 |
| TeTeT | seb128: hi, would you know anything about a replacement for vinagre in 11.04 or 11.10? | 14:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: do you have time to fix it, or want me to? | 14:33 |
| pitti | so anyway, I'll deal with the MIR and seeding | 14:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: go on with it, of course :) what about the soname? | 14:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, talk to kenvandine about those please | 14:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: /usr/share/apport/general-hooks/ayatana-scrollbar.py | 14:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, didrocks has enough to do with unity he doesn't work on scrollbars | 14:34 |
| pitti | we can't ship that in a soname package | 14:34 |
| pitti | seb128: *nod* | 14:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, kenvandine is handling the scrollbars | 14:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ | 14:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: I didn't add the apport hook, so yeah, kenvandine :p | 14:34 |
| * kenvandine reads back | 14:34 | |
| kenvandine | pitti, ok, so we want a separate binary with the apport hook? | 14:35 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so, we could do a proper "overlay-scrollbar" package which ships the apport hook and depends on the library (to avoid having to seed a particular abi of the library), or rename the hook to be ayatana-scrollbar-0.1.py | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | i'll do that | 14:35 |
| pitti | the latter is easier, the former cleaner IMHO | 14:36 |
| pitti | but like that it won't pass MIR | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | i'll do the former | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | makes more sense | 14:36 |
| pitti | kenvandine: awesome; please let me know when you upload, I'll shepherd it through NEW then | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | will do | 14:36 |
| pitti | and I'll do the MIR review in the meantime | 14:36 |
| pitti | kenvandine: cheers! | 14:36 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, is the matching bug blocking you for other things? | 14:42 |
| pitti | root@osageorange:/# apt-get --assume-yes source update-manager=1:0.147.1 | 14:53 |
| pitti | Reading package lists... 0% | 14:53 |
| pitti | seb128: ^FYI, I think I'm getting closer.. | 14:53 |
| pitti | it just stays at 0% without any progress | 14:53 |
| seb128 | oh | 14:53 |
| seb128 | so it's mvo's fault! | 14:54 |
| pitti | when I downgrade to 0.8.13ubuntu2, it works | 14:54 |
| pitti | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list | 14:54 |
| pitti | and immediately returns | 14:54 |
| pitti | root@osageorange:/# apt-get --assume-yes source update-manager=1:0.147.1 | 14:55 |
| pitti | root@osageorange:/# s... 0% | 14:55 |
| chrisccoulson_ | ok, this -pie issue with firefox is driving me crazy now, time to look at something else ;) | 14:55 |
| pitti | that looks even funnier | 14:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson_: doesn't work with gcc 4.4? | 14:55 |
| chrisccoulson_ | pitti - i'm not sure it's entirely a gcc issue | 14:55 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson_, how come we don't get the stable version in natty btw? it's still red on versions ;-) | 14:55 |
| chrisccoulson_ | it might be partly a binutils issue | 14:55 |
| chrisccoulson_ | seb128 - the version we have is stable already ;) | 14:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson_, I'm surprised you don't get lot of users complaining about the version ;-) | 14:56 |
| chrisccoulson_ | seb128 - i do ;) | 14:56 |
| seb128 | they usually tend to do that | 14:56 |
| mvo | pitti: hm, I just tried to reproduce on my natty box but I don't get this error | 14:56 |
| seb128 | even if the code is the same ;-) | 14:56 |
| seb128 | mvo, did you use a non available version? | 14:56 |
| pitti | mvo: I don't get it either locally, just in the retracer chroots :/ | 14:56 |
| chrisccoulson_ | seb128 - it's just not worth a new upload to change the version number ;) | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson_ | i'll probably do it before release, but it means i have to upload a new tarball too | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson_ | and they're big ;) | 14:57 |
| pitti | mvo, seb128: the version is fine, the chroot jsut doesn't have any deb-src | 14:57 |
| pitti | but I tried that locally as well | 14:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, which makes it "non available" ;-) | 14:57 |
| pitti | in fact this is the only apt-get call that I have in apport | 14:57 |
| pitti | the rest is python-apt | 14:57 |
| pitti | but when I wrote that, there was no python-apt way of downloading a source package | 14:58 |
| pitti | oh, I figure installing debug packages somehow causes it to act up | 14:59 |
| pitti | after logging into the chroot it works | 14:59 |
| pitti | but not after retracing something (which installs packages) | 14:59 |
| pitti | mvo: is there a python-apt way of doing apt-get source? | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | pitti, overlay-scrollbar uploaded | 15:00 |
| pitti | mvo: so it's not really your fault, just the new apt seems to have become a lot more sensitive to broken packages | 15:00 |
| pitti | kenvandine: \o/ thanks | 15:00 |
| kenvandine | np | 15:01 |
| mvo | pitti: sorry, on the phone, I follow up in a minute | 15:03 |
| pitti | ok, not related to apport-retrace after all, the chroots previously had an older apt, and as soon as I upgrade to 0.8.13.2ubuntu1 things fall over | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, we can pin the old one for now maybe? | 15:11 |
| pitti | yes, that's what I'll do right now | 15:11 |
| seb128 | mterry, one other thing you can to your buglist if you want that would be nice is the gvfs, libgnome-keyring sibabort issue | 15:17 |
| seb128 | sig | 15:17 |
| mterry | seb128, bug me? | 15:18 |
| mterry | bug number me rather :) | 15:18 |
| seb128 | mterry, the one you opened | 15:18 |
| seb128 | mterry, 743497 | 15:18 |
| mterry | seb128, heh, I'm a fire and forget bug reporter | 15:18 |
| seb128 | mterry, if you don't fix it at least maybe try to open an upstream bug with the debug info upstream mentioned | 15:19 |
| mterry | sure | 15:19 |
| mterry | i'll give it a pass | 15:19 |
| seb128 | mterry, upstream is stefw on #gnome-hackers if you want to talk to him about it | 15:19 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:19 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, I think I have reasonably clean chroots again with pinned apt; restarting, cross fingers :) | 15:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, \o/ | 15:25 |
| pitti | seb128: seems to work | 15:29 |
| pitti | kenvandine: mind to upload a followup which adds the necessary Replaces:Breaks: (<< 0.1.5-0ubuntu1)? | 15:33 |
| rodrigo_ | hey Laney | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | pitti, whoops | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | yeah, sorr | 15:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: (and perhaps fix the overlay-scrollbar desscription while you are at it -- it's not a devel package) | 15:34 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, ping | 15:42 |
| jcastro | rodrigo_: hi! | 15:43 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, about http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3 | 15:43 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, it's better if people just run apt-get dist-upgrade | 15:44 |
| jcastro | ok | 15:44 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, and maybe a separate 'apt-get install gnome-shell' if the want g-shell | 15:44 |
| jcastro | is there one metapackage or does the dist-upgrade just take care of that? | 15:44 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, dist-upgrade should take care of that | 15:44 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, that's why we didn't add the metapackage | 15:44 |
| jcastro | ok fixed | 15:45 |
| jcastro | I added a scarier warning up top too | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | pitti, uploaded | 15:45 |
| jcastro | since downgrading looks like, horrible | 15:45 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, yes, good idea | 15:45 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, hmm, on the UI, no way to do a dist-upgrade? | 15:46 |
| pitti | kenvandine: thanks! | 15:48 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: Im on bug 720716 . But I will test it with Calc and hope it will work for writer the same way. | 15:49 |
| * Sweetshark starts on patch 18 for libreoffice packaging. | 15:50 | |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, you can try to downgrade bamf to 0.2.80-0ubuntu1 | 15:50 |
| jcastro | rodrigo_: the button works that out as far as I know. | 15:50 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/0.2.80-0ubuntu1 | 15:50 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, ok then | 15:51 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, if you downgrade it and restart bamfdaemon and unity and let me know if that fixes your issue that would be nice | 15:51 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, well no hurry but when you will have some time | 15:51 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: heh. | 15:52 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: but yes, I will try. | 15:52 |
| fta | seb128, hi, didn't you say last week that the weird locations dialog of the datetime applet was fixed? or did I dream it? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | fta, what about it? mterry said that the "no listing any result during typing issue" was fixed | 15:55 |
| mterry | yeah | 15:56 |
| fta | seb128, it's not here, "san francisco" shows nothing between "san" and the "o", then i only get unknown (to me) location, nothing in california | 15:56 |
| fta | locationS | 15:56 |
| mterry | fta, san francisco is a known bug, I believe due to us not sorting by population yet | 15:57 |
| fta | same for sydney.. it have to add "airport" or "international airport", and i end up with a list of hotels or universities close to those airports :P | 15:58 |
| fta | hence, very long names, making the indicator too wide :P | 15:59 |
| seb128 | mterry, is the server limiting the number of returns? | 16:00 |
| seb128 | mterry, because http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=san francisco doesn't list it either | 16:00 |
| mterry | seb128, yes | 16:00 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:00 |
| mterry | seb128, that's why the filtering and sorting branch should make this a lot better | 16:00 |
| mterry | no more hotels, and better results on top | 16:00 |
| seb128 | right, I got those advantage | 16:00 |
| mterry | fta, ^ | 16:00 |
| fta | ok | 16:01 |
| seb128 | but I didn't know we were dropping locations because of the lack of sorting | 16:01 |
| mterry | fta, basically, a fix is in, we just wait for it to be deployed server side | 16:01 |
| mterry | seb128, it's a big limit, like 1000 or so, but yeah | 16:01 |
| mterry | (I think, would have to look at code) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | mterry, "http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=san francisco" returns a small list | 16:01 |
| mterry | seb128, then maybe the limit is smaller :) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | but anyway I will try when the server update is rolled | 16:01 |
| fta | another weirdness of that datetime indicator, the calendar. the highlighted/selected day is the day of the last desktop restart (useless imho), it used to be the current day | 16:03 |
| tedg | seb128, Can you mark the appmenu-gtk part of this as Invalid for Natty? I can't seem to :-/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/722375 | 16:04 |
| seb128 | tedg, done | 16:05 |
| tedg | seb128, Thanks! | 16:05 |
| seb128 | fta, known bug as well, karl is working on it | 16:05 |
| seb128 | it might be fixed in trunk | 16:05 |
| seb128 | tedg, yw | 16:05 |
| fta | good | 16:09 |
| fta | mterry, after a restart/reboot, i have to open the locations dialog 2 or 3 times to be able to use it, the 1st call, i get nothing, the 2nd, it disappears immediately, the 3rd time, i see it for a few seconds then pooff, after that it works fine. is that known? | 16:12 |
| seb128 | fta, seems like it crashed? | 16:13 |
| mterry | fta, huh... | 16:13 |
| jcastro | rodrigo_: does the dist-upgrade include gnome-shell? | 16:13 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, no | 16:13 |
| jcastro | or does the user have to install that explicitly? | 16:13 |
| mterry | fta, if you click elsewhere in the dialog, the locations dialog disappears | 16:13 |
| seb128 | fta, did you try to start it before being online? | 16:13 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, so add a 'apt-get install gnome-shell' to the instructions | 16:13 |
| jcastro | ok | 16:13 |
| fta | lets see if it crashed... | 16:14 |
| mvo | pitti: still in a meeting (its meeting day today). but you can get the urls for the source via python-apt | 16:14 |
| fta | nope: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590294/ | 16:15 |
| mvo | pitti: I can write some test code in a bit (please kick^Wremind me if I doN't do it) | 16:15 |
| pitti | mvo: don't worry for now; apt itself is broken in the chroots, so the python-apt source code retrieval isn't urgent at all | 16:15 |
| fta | seb128, i'm always online ;) | 16:16 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, ok, I think they look great now | 16:17 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, let's see what people report | 16:17 |
| jcastro | I'm asking a guy to test right now | 16:17 |
| fta | difficult to see anything in .xsession-errors. i wish everything was timestamped | 16:17 |
| jcastro | rodrigo_: I'll watch this with great attention today to make sure it's kept up to date | 16:18 |
| mvo | pitti: ok | 16:18 |
| rodrigo_ | jcastro, ok, cool | 16:18 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/750660 | 16:36 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, is that the evolution-couchdb issue you fixed the other day? | 16:36 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/744464 | 16:36 |
| seb128 | same | 16:36 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, but seems related to a problem rye (on #ubuntuone) is having | 16:37 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, can you add those to your buglist? | 16:37 |
| seb128 | seems frequent crashers | 16:38 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 16:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server?field.searchtext=e-addressbook-factory&orderby=-datecreated | 16:38 |
| rodrigo_ | they are duplicates, right? | 16:38 |
| seb128 | if you want to review, clean it a bit as well | 16:38 |
| * rodrigo_ looks for the 2nd one | 16:38 | |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, they seem similar yes | 16:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, let's use bug #744464 for it, I assign it to you | 16:39 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 16:39 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey | 16:39 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, did you say you were working on e-d-s crashers? did you work on those e-addressbook-factory ones? just to make sure rodrigo doesn't start on something you already work on | 16:39 |
| fta | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/lazy-unity.ogv | 16:40 |
| seb128 | fta, what about it? | 16:41 |
| seb128 | fta, you need to hit 0,0 for the launcher to stick | 16:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, wow, lots of e-d-s crashes, I'll go over the list | 16:43 |
| cyphermox | seb128, I have a merge up for the addressbook ldap bug, looking into the google one now | 16:45 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, those are only the addressbook ones ;-) | 16:45 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, oh :) | 16:45 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ok, I will review and merge that later on, I will probably wait for other fixes before uploading though | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | rodrigo_, seb128, not necessarily looking at crashers per se, but I'll look at the evo/eds bugs in general to make sure we're not dropping the ball | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | seb128, sure | 16:46 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 16:46 |
| seb128 | if you stop couchdb or contact synced issue ping rodrigo_ about those | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | I'd like to include the fix for google if possible, but i think it will be in eds, not evo | 16:46 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, ok, leave this list -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server?field.searchtext=e-addressbook-factory&orderby=-datecreated to me if you want | 16:48 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, along with the evo-couchdb branch I pasted before, can you also merge this https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/enable-debug-messages/+merge/56597 ? (already uploaded also) | 16:49 |
| cyphermox | rodrigo_, ok. well, looks like there may be a few overlaps there -- let me know if down the road you see that we could split them up between us to fix it all ;) | 16:49 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, ah, you're looking at those bugs also? | 16:50 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, since seb128 said those were only the addressbook crashes, I assumed there are lots of other e-d-s bugs | 16:50 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server?field.searchtext=crashed&orderby=-datecreated | 16:51 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server?field.searchtext=SIG&orderby=-datecreated | 16:51 |
| cyphermox | rodrigo_, ok. I was going to look at them, but I'll leave them to you and look at the other e-d-s crashers | 16:51 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, try that url | 16:51 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:51 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, why do you make this to me??? :) | 16:51 |
| rodrigo_ | lots of crashes man! | 16:51 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, yes, unless you want some explicti addressbook ones, leave those to me | 16:51 |
| rodrigo_ | there are plenty for both of us :) | 16:52 |
| cyphermox | ok | 16:52 |
| cyphermox | yes, there are ;) | 16:52 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, do you want me to leave the google related ones to you? | 16:52 |
| cyphermox | ah, up to you | 16:52 |
| seb128 | lot of noise and duplicates likely | 16:52 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 16:52 |
| cyphermox | I was going to ask whether you wanted to look at the issue with google addressbook at the same time | 16:52 |
| seb128 | well don't bother cleaning old ones | 16:52 |
| seb128 | but seems that most of recents crashes are e-addressbook-factory ones | 16:53 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, ok, let's use the last list | 16:53 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, ok, let's use the last 2 lists seb128 posted for both of us | 16:53 |
| rodrigo_ | cyphermox, just assign to you the bugs you're working on and I'll do the same | 16:53 |
| seb128 | those didn't work ;-) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | but just type SIGSEGV in the search entry and sort by newest | 16:54 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, it works for me, 182 bugs | 16:54 |
| seb128 | ok great ;-) | 16:55 |
| seb128 | well don't try clean the buglists, just try to spot things worth fixing for natty | 16:55 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 16:55 |
| seb128 | we have pedro to clean ;-) | 16:55 |
| seb128 | hey pedro_! ;-) | 16:55 |
| rodrigo_ | heh | 16:55 |
| seb128 | I should start running before pedro throw something in my direction ;-) | 16:56 |
| rodrigo_ | hehe | 16:56 |
| rodrigo_ | ugh, we have a lot of patches in the evo package | 16:58 |
| rodrigo_ | what do you think about doing some patch upstreaming/cleaning days when natty is released? | 16:59 |
| rodrigo_ | it makes upgrading packages a lot harder | 16:59 |
| cyphermox | rodrigo_, yes, but I think there may be quite a few which are backports | 17:01 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 17:01 |
| rodrigo_ | those are ok, as they are removed when we move to the next major version, right? | 17:01 |
| cyphermox | afaik they should be well identified as such in changelog and even the file name, so when we're at uploading 2.91. whatever or 3.2 we can drop them | 17:01 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 17:01 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, right | 17:02 |
| rodrigo_ | I remember in opensuse we had packages with more than 20 patches, so we upstreamed/cleaned a lot of them, and upgrades were much easier | 17:02 |
| rodrigo_ | evolution had, iirc, over 100 patches! | 17:03 |
| Sweetshark | rodrigo_: well, LO still has >500 "shared patches" used by all distros. The 18 patches are just our private debian/ubuntu patches on top of that (some patching the patches). | 17:24 |
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| seb128 | dobey, bug #724882 is getting some duplicates recently | 17:30 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, evo doesn't have a lot of distro patches | 17:31 |
| rodrigo_ | Sweetshark, ugh | 17:35 |
| seb128 | does anybody has interest in geoclue? | 17:43 |
| seb128 | bug #738584 | 17:43 |
| seb128 | hum no bot | 17:44 |
| seb128 | that's an assert crash which seens to happen on resume | 17:44 |
| seb128 | it's likely not a real user situation issue if it respawn when needed though | 17:44 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, cyphermox: ^ | 17:44 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue/+bug/738584 | 17:44 |
| seb128 | if one of you want to have a go to it that would be nice | 17:45 |
| ry | ok, i'm using the small apple aluminum bluetooth keyboard, and it's lacking an insert key, i'm wondering how i can make a shortcut to issue "insert" as if i was hitting the key-- like ctrl+shift+i (random example) | 17:46 |
| ry | ubuntu 10.10/2.6.35.x/gnome/pc | 17:47 |
| seb128 | try #ubuntu for user questions | 17:47 |
| ry | ok, thanks | 17:47 |
| cyphermox | seb128, sure, I'll take that too | 17:51 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 17:51 |
| cyphermox | isn't it indicator-datetime which uses geoclue? | 17:52 |
| bcurtiswx | cyphermox, eventually empathy will (i would assume) | 17:53 |
| cyphermox | bcurtiswx, cool | 17:53 |
| cyphermox | I know redshift does not, but not in the natty package ;) | 17:53 |
| cyphermox | not, = now, | 17:53 |
| seb128 | right the indicator use it | 17:54 |
| seb128 | mvo, #741370 | 17:59 |
| seb128 | mvo, it's an aptdaemon bug with quite some duplicates | 17:59 |
| mvo | ok | 18:00 |
| seb128 | tremolux, bug #728713 | 18:00 |
| seb128 | can you check on it? it's a s-c crash with some duplicates | 18:00 |
| tremolux | seb128: yep, we've been watching that one, I will check on it | 18:03 |
| tremolux | seb128: thx | 18:03 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:03 |
| seb128 | tremolux, can you make sure it's assigned to somebody? | 18:03 |
| tremolux | seb128: yep | 18:03 |
| dobey | seb128: ok, i'll look at it | 18:19 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:19 |
| nessita | pitti: hey there, would you have some minutes? I have a question regarding feature freeze | 18:37 |
| pitti | nessita: about to run out, but shoot | 18:38 |
| seb128 | nessita, others can reply | 18:38 |
| seb128 | just ask | 18:38 |
| nessita | so, we're having an internal discussion about what is an API change and what isn't. We need to add a new parameter to an internal method in syncdaemon, we're saying is not an API change but others disagree | 18:38 |
| nessita | so, from our point of view, syncdaemon API is the dbus api only | 18:39 |
| nessita | but the whole implementation is somehow available in /usr/lib | 18:39 |
| seb128 | nessita, well it's an internal api chance, not an external one then? | 18:39 |
| nessita | seb128: right | 18:39 |
| seb128 | is whatever provide the api public? | 18:39 |
| seb128 | you say it's in /usr/lib | 18:39 |
| pitti | nessita: I think the question here is: can it break anything that both consumers in Ubuntu as well as third-party developers are using? | 18:40 |
| nessita | seb128: syncdaemon implementation is in ubuntuone/syncdaemon module as a python module, but end users are not supposed to use that | 18:40 |
| pitti | nessita: i. e. can they call the function you are about to change? | 18:40 |
| nessita | pitti: they can call it, in the sense that is publicly accessible code | 18:40 |
| nessita | pitti: but anyone is supposed to use those things outside syncdaemon | 18:41 |
| seb128 | do you know of anybody using it? | 18:41 |
| nessita | no, I don't | 18:41 |
| seb128 | nessita, "anyone" -> "no one"? | 18:41 |
| pitti | nessita: i. e. the official API is the d-bus one, and that's also what our ubuntu packages use? | 18:41 |
| nessita | seb128: yes :-) | 18:41 |
| nessita | pitti: yes | 18:41 |
| pitti | nessita: sounds fine to me then | 18:41 |
| nessita | great, thanks | 18:41 |
| pitti | Python code is by nature very "open", but that doesn't mean that everything is public API automatically | 18:42 |
| pitti | anyway, Taekwondo o'clock, see you tomorrow! | 18:42 |
| seb128 | seems like it's a private api not supposed to be used and those who (abu)sed it will get what happens in such cases ;-) | 18:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, see you | 18:42 |
| dobey | i prefer my solution to that problem; just avoid python | 18:42 |
| nessita | pitti: thanks!!! | 18:42 |
| * nessita hugs seb128 | 18:42 | |
| * seb128 hugs nessita | 18:43 | |
| seb128 | nessita, you trapped me with your u1 btw, even didrocks made fun of me because I share bug screenshots by publishing them on u1 now! | 18:43 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:43 |
| didrocks | nessita: you finally won \o/ | 18:44 |
| nessita | YEAH | 18:47 |
| * nessita happily dances | 18:47 | |
| cyphermox | seb128, I haven't been able to reproduce the geoclue crash, but I guess I have a fix that makes some sense anyway. | 18:59 |
| cyphermox | i'll do some more testing and checking first though -- but now, lunch time :) | 19:00 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ok thanks | 19:00 |
| cyphermox | did you personally experience it? | 19:00 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, any trivial empathy bugs you've run across? | 19:28 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, no | 19:33 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, OK thanks :) | 19:33 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, everytime i bring up the gwibber window it eats CPU, but when its minimized, it doesn't.... | 20:03 |
| bcurtiswx | seen this? | 20:03 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, does it keep eating CPU while it is up? | 20:03 |
| bcurtiswx | only when the window is unminimized | 20:03 |
| bcurtiswx | it takes a little bit too, but it does eventually | 20:04 |
| bcurtiswx | yup, now at 100% CPU | 20:05 |
| bcurtiswx | maybe since i have a refresh rate in the quick end... seems to me | 20:05 |
| kenvandine | weird | 20:05 |
| kenvandine | you mean the gwibber client window right? not the lens? | 20:05 |
| bcurtiswx | i dont' use the lens | 20:06 |
| kenvandine | ok | 20:06 |
| kenvandine | i can't see why the client would use CPU | 20:06 |
| kenvandine | it doesn't do anything, except when it gets the signal to refresh the WebView | 20:06 |
| bcurtiswx | hmm, i have a lot of services it checks with facebook having a TON of friends.. i wonder if its shear quantity causing it.. | 20:07 |
| bcurtiswx | which is my own fault TBH | 20:07 |
| bcurtiswx | i need less friends... <hangs head in shame> | 20:07 |
| bcurtiswx | yup thats it, gwibber-service on a refresh | 20:08 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, ^^ | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | oh, it isn't the client then | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, fix for bug 739923 being uploaded now :) | 20:09 |
| bcurtiswx | yes, sorry for the lack of -service :X | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, how big is your db? | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | ls -lah ~/.config/gwibber/gwibber.sqlite | 20:10 |
| bcurtiswx | 175m | 20:10 |
| bcurtiswx | 175M* | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | ugh | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | that is why :) | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | what version of gwibber? | 20:11 |
| bcurtiswx | 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | that number should be much lower | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | wow | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | how many accounts do you have? | 20:11 |
| bcurtiswx | Twitter, Facebook, Identi.ca | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | hummm | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | it should keep the latest 2000 posts for each account | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | and purge the rest | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | so it shouldn't be nearly that big | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, can you post your log somewhere? | 20:12 |
| bcurtiswx | sure, which log? | 20:13 |
| kenvandine | ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log | 20:13 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, sent in IM | 20:15 |
| kenvandine | got it | 20:15 |
| kenvandine | thx | 20:15 |
| kenvandine | dude... what is your interval set to? | 20:17 |
| * kenvandine should really cap the interval at like 5 or 10m | 20:17 | |
| kenvandine | i've added protect in so it doesn't overlap anymore, but you still have basically a constant state of refreshing | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | s/protect/protection | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, ^^ | 20:19 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, 1 O:-) | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | please bump that up | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | :) | 20:20 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, OK | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | pitti, do you think i would need a FFE to prevent people from setting their refresh interval so low? | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | in gwibber that is | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | 1) change the selector in preferences so it bottoms out at 5m and migrate existing settings of less than 5m to 5m | 20:21 |
| kenvandine | this intervals i think cause a fair number of problems | 20:21 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, can i play devils advocate for a minute? | 20:22 |
| kenvandine | sure | 20:22 |
| bcurtiswx | there's a lot of us that like quick refresh rates, (like the auto-updating twitter).. is saving 2000 really needed? | 20:23 |
| kenvandine | yeah... you'd be surprised how few that is | 20:23 |
| kenvandine | regardless though... it isn't about how much is being saved | 20:23 |
| kenvandine | your are beating on it constantly | 20:23 |
| kenvandine | multiple parallel threads download data, doing stuff with it and insert/updating the db | 20:24 |
| kenvandine | and as soon as it is done, it does it again | 20:24 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, what causes the high CPU? it has to read the 2000 and do something with it? | 20:24 |
| kenvandine | multiple parallel threads... blah blah | 20:24 |
| kenvandine | no | 20:24 |
| kenvandine | it is the refreshing | 20:24 |
| kenvandine | and actually a db that big doesn't cause a problem for the service | 20:25 |
| kenvandine | not CPU wise | 20:25 |
| bcurtiswx | well, if i delve any deeper into the cause we'll get into stuff that can be mentioned at UDS (so i won't go any further). :) | 20:25 |
| kenvandine | it was causing slowness for the client though | 20:25 |
| kenvandine | i think regardless of any future improvements, preventing intervals < 5m would alleviate a fair bit of pain | 20:27 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, i have ideas how we can get the twitter realtime feed pretty easily for 3.2 | 20:27 |
| kenvandine | we'll talk about that at UDS | 20:27 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, i can't wait to be involved then :) | 20:28 |
| bcurtiswx | i agree, no need to argue <5 mins should be discouraged for natty :) | 20:29 |
| * kenvandine prepares a branch with the interval tweak | 20:30 | |
| rickspencer3 | bug #739923 | 20:38 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, the bot isn't very happy now | 21:03 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, the pango_overlay thing in GwibberPosterVBox :) | 21:03 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, after i get out of this meeting, i'll post an example | 21:08 |
| nperry | Are you aware of gnome-icon-theme-symbolic: Depends: gnome-icon-theme (< 2.92) but 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build1 is installed. | 21:14 |
| nperry | IN the gnome3 stack? | 21:15 |
| nessita | hi there, any ideas why a launchpad build is failing with: | 22:00 |
| nessita | dpkg-deb: error: control directory has bad permissions 700 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) | 22:00 |
| nessita | ? | 22:00 |
| dobey | nessita: ask on #launchpad instead | 22:03 |
| nessita | ok | 22:03 |
| cyphermox | nessita, there is something about umask being discussed on #ubuntu-devel, seems like it might be relevant | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson_ | tedg, did mterry's changes to dbusmenu to provide a menu closed signal ever land? | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson_ | i couldn't find it here, unless i just need to update my machine ;) | 22:35 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson_, Honestly, I'm loosing track. I think so :-) | 22:35 |
| nessita | cyphermox: thanks! | 22:35 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson_, This week the parser side should land, but I dont' think you'll need that. | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson_ | tedg - yeah, i don't use the parser | 22:38 |
| * nessita -> eods | 23:22 | |
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