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[03:18] <c2tarun> I was building kde4libs and I got this error http://pastebin.com/kGidy8LF, when I looked I found that on the location instead of backend there is folder name helper, file inside helper is kauth_helper_plugin.so can anyone please help :/
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[05:55] <nigelb> stgraber: congrats :)
[05:59] <stgraber> nigelb: thanks :)
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[08:44] <dholbach> good morning
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[10:22] <Daviey> .
[10:35] <soren> !
[10:40] <iulian> ~
[10:55] <Kano> hi, why has natty fully outdated va-drivers?
[10:56] <Kano> like: vdpau-va-driver 0.6.3 -> deb exp 0.7.2-1 or xvba-va-driver 0.7.7 -> deb wheezy 0.7.8?
[10:56] <Kano> for a new release it is old...
[10:57] <Kano> vdpau 26-Feb-2011, xvba 26-Feb-2011
[11:04] <Rhonda> Because noone did a syncrequest for that
[11:04] <Rhonda> And syncing from experimental isn't done automatically neither, someone needs to specificly request that.
[11:04] <Kano> seems that u users dont care about it, well i dont use u ;)
[11:04] <Kano> i just see the errors
[11:05] <Rhonda> What errors?
[11:06] <Kano> no hybrid mode, outdated software
[11:06] <Rhonda> Packaged software is always outdated by definition.
[11:06] <Rhonda> At some point the automatic import has to get stopped to be able to stabilize the thing.
[11:07] <Kano> whats the option to boot into text mode...
[11:07] <Kano> maybe single mode works
[11:07] <directhex> debian import freeze was at the start of january, wasn't it?
[11:07] <Rhonda> And from that point on someone (which would include e.g. you?) has to specificly request an update if they see the need for it.
[11:10] <Kano> and why has single mode no effect? how to boot live into text mode?
[11:11] <iulian> directhex: Yes, it was.
[11:54] <Rhonda> Kano: Actually this is no support channel for that kind of questions. Please be adviced to use #ubuntu for such questions.
[12:01] <Kano> Rhonda: xvba-va-driver is broken too, it depends on a not existing fglrx driver
[12:02] <Kano> you can use the time to update package + depend
[12:25] <Kano> Rhonda: it is logical that this does not work with an automated import becasue your driver package is not called fglrx-driver
[12:43] <Rhonda> Kano: The package is in multiverse. I guess there should be some sort of description available somewhere how to generate the fglrx-driver package. That can't be put into the pool because of upstream licensing. Still, these aren't questions for here, please speak about them in #ubuntu
[12:45] <Kano> Rhonda: the package is just called fglrx
[12:45] <Kano> fglrx-driver is the debian name
[12:46] <Kano> but somehow your vlc does not work with it
[12:47] <Kano> i dont get why u has lots of packages but all i test are broken
[12:47] <Rhonda> Feel invited to write bugreports about these issues.
[12:47] <soren> Have you filed bugs about this?
[12:48] <Kano> soren: i wait till the bug is fixed i reported >1 y ago
[12:48] <Kano> until then i do not report bugs
[12:48] <soren> Kano: Then that's why.
[12:48] <soren> Then you don't get to complain.
[12:49] <Kano> man, i dont use u, i test it from time to time to optimize my scripts
[12:49] <Rhonda> Kano: If you don't report the issues it's hard to know whether it's known and someone being able to take care of it.
[12:49] <soren> Kano: If this is how productive you're going to be about it, don't bother.
[12:49] <Kano> soren: for example i reported missing hybrid mode > 1 y ago
[12:50] <Kano> soren: the iso images are not hybrid just because of a missing isohybrid call
[12:51] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/524803
[12:51] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 524803 in Ubuntu CD Images "isolinux hybrid mode should be used - all other major distributions do so since last year" [Undecided,New]
[12:51] <Kano> do you see how long this bug exists
[12:51] <Kano> nothing fixed
[12:51] <Kano> why should i report bugs when nobody cares about em?
[12:51] <Rhonda> Isn't there some limitation with respect to certain hardware with hybird?
[12:52] <soren> Kano: If noone cares, why do you bother complaining on IRC? Why would we care more about it here?
[12:52] <Rhonda> Because actually it's different packages and different people tracking bugs for them?
[12:52] <Kano> i do not intent to use launchpad for bugs anmore
[12:52] <soren> I hardly think Launchpad is the problem. And IRC is a *dreadful* bug tracker.
[12:53] <Kano> too long response time, no fix
[12:54] <Rhonda> Right. Because exaggerating from a single bugreport to the complete system is definitely proving a point.
[12:54] <Kano> thats not the only bug i reported
[12:54] <Kano> kernel patches i wanted to get removed took >1 year too
[12:54] <Kano> thats stupid response time
[12:55] <soren> You're (as always) being unreasonable.
[12:55] <soren> I'm sure you're talking about the fakeraid sort of kernel patches, right?
[12:55] <soren> Bah, I can't be bothered wasting more time explaining this. *again*.
[12:56] <Rhonda> Kano: Because it might look like a simple thing to do for you, it might have deep impact on others, especially in central components.
[12:56] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/380138
[12:56] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 380138 in linux (Ubuntu) "Do NOT disable HPA by default -> leads to data loss" [Medium,Fix released]
[12:56] <soren> Right, that on.e
[12:56] <Kano> do yo see how long that bug was in the system
[12:57] <Kano> 1 year 7 month
[12:58] <soren> You're being ridiculous.
[12:58] <Kano> no, i dont need a bug tracker when fixes take >1 y
[12:58] <soren> It wasn't just a matter of flicking a switch. There are upgrade scenarios to be considered.
[12:59] <soren> How do you spell /ignore again?
[12:59] <Kano> that kernel patch had much more bad impact than good
[12:59] <soren> Oh, right, here it is:
[12:59] <soren> Ah.
[13:00] <Kano> i know ppl which hds with hpa
[13:00] <Kano> most of em have been to stupid to set the jumpers correctly but used em mirror inverted
[13:01] <Kano> the others have got gigabyte boards. if you dont use raid thats maybe not that critical, but if you do, your raid will fail on soft reboot - you can not access it without dmraid on your live image anyway
[13:34] <Kano> basically it is impossible to recommand anybody to use natty when you want to use xvba video accelleration. it just does not work
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[17:53] <shein> Hello, I'd like to be contributing but I am a little confused on the process.  Could I, for example, begin my following the package update recipe on some of the Debian RC bug fixes found here?  http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/
[17:55] <lfaraone> shein: well, if they can be synced, then just file a sync request, otherwise merge the packages.
[17:56] <micahg> shein: keep in mind we're past feature freeze, so anything that's not bug fixes will need a freeze exception https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[17:56] <lfaraone> micahg: if its on the rcbugs list they don't need FFes though :)
[17:56] <micahg> lfaraone: not true
[17:57] <micahg> lfaraone: the fix can be cherry picked sometimes
[17:57] <lfaraone> micahg: I mean, the rcbugs themsleves do not need FFes, if there are other non-rcfixes, then sure.
[17:58] <micahg> lfaraone: right, but someone doing new version merge/syncing should know about the freeze :)
[17:59]  * bcurtiswx sees lfaraone is still away :P
[17:59] <lfaraone> barry: sshhh
[17:59] <lfaraone> * bcurtiswx
[17:59] <lfaraone> barry: oops.
[17:59] <bcurtiswx> tab complete fail, nice
[17:59] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: today just isn't my day
[18:00] <bcurtiswx> as per -us-dc i can't say the same myself (shh)
[18:01] <lfaraone> hah. I didn't apply for sponsorship this year, I probably can't do UDS.
[18:09] <shein> lfaraone: So if the ubuntu version of a package does not have the word ubuntu in it then it can be simply synced?  Is this something worth doing?
[18:09] <maco> yes it can
[18:10] <maco> and yes it is, though it depends where we are in the release cycle whether it's a good idea
[18:11] <lfaraone> shein: correct. if we're in feature freeze, we can't include packages with new features unless a Feature Freeze exception is filed, so if a rcfix sync would include new features, its best to cherry-pick the fix instead.
[18:17] <micahg> lfaraone: well, depending on the feature/package, a sync could still be allowed, you can request one with -e passed to requestsync
[18:27] <shein> So seeing as natty is past feature freeze, is there less to do in terms of MOTU?  How can I contribute currently?
[18:28] <micahg> shein: FTBFS fixes or rcbugs are good
[18:28] <micahg> shein: here's a list of recent rebuild failures: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110329-natty.html
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