| chilts | morning | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| ojwb | hi chilts | 00:12 |
| snail | ojwb: broadband still is a marketing promise... | 00:27 |
| ajmitch | snail: we're more crippled by tiny data caps than by speed | 00:28 |
| ibeardslee | ++ | 00:28 |
| ajmitch | having fibre to the home won't really change that | 00:28 |
| ibeardslee | although it has been a while since I hit my cap | 00:28 |
| ibeardslee | at least a month ;) | 00:28 |
| ajmitch | heh | 00:28 |
| ajmitch | I often hit the 20GB cap | 00:29 |
| ojwb | snail: in NZ perhaps, this was talking about " the most connected parts of the most developed nations" | 00:29 |
| snail | it might change it the govt forces sane interconnect rules and exempts local traffic. I have a couple of curriculum-relevant terabytes of data I'd like to put in schools... | 00:30 |
| ojwb | and I can certainly pull data from an in country mirror at a good rate | 00:30 |
| ibeardslee | I find .au mirrors are regulary quicker than the .nz | 00:31 |
| ojwb | ibeardslee: bandwidth terrorist! | 00:31 |
| snail | ibeardslee: because there isn't sane .nz peering? | 00:31 |
| ajmitch | depends on your ISP & who they're peering with | 00:31 |
| ibeardslee | but then I just want to throw a big baseball bat at T/C and their peering | 00:31 |
| ojwb | ah, they basically don't peer do they? | 00:32 |
| ajmitch | .au doesn't exactly have sane peering either, from what I know | 00:32 |
| ibeardslee | http://www.figjam.geek.nz/node/40 | 00:33 |
| ajmitch | it's interesting that you get slower speeds from mirror.ihug.co.nz | 00:34 |
| ojwb | ping's not necessarily the best tool for such tests | 00:35 |
| ajmitch | is connecting to australia quicker than to ihug? | 00:35 |
| ibeardslee | in that case there, no | 00:35 |
| ojwb | oh, then traceroute | 00:35 |
| ajmitch | no it's not, I'm more interested in actual download speeds | 00:35 |
| ajmitch | it's expected that citylink speeds would be bad since it's not going to the wellington server | 00:36 |
| ojwb | but the same applies really - routers may not treat ICMP stuff the same way as "useful" traffic | 00:36 |
| ibeardslee | I had used the speed test to compare(ish) as well | 00:36 |
| ibeardslee | need to find where I saved those results to | 00:36 |
| ajmitch | wget a large package from each mirror | 00:37 |
| ibeardslee | hmm true that might be a better solution | 00:37 |
| mwhudson | always best to measure what you actually care about and not some proxy for it :) | 00:37 |
| ibeardslee | will redo the ping and mtr tests as well and update that this weekend .. maybe | 00:37 |
| ojwb | for me, it's 55, 59 and 106 ms avg from traceroute | 00:38 |
| ojwb | so wellington's quickest, which is how life should be | 00:39 |
| ajmitch | heh, au.archive.ubuntu.com is a bit slower for me, it goes via an ipv6 tunnel to the US & then to australia | 00:39 |
| ibeardslee | ojwb: who is your isp? | 00:40 |
| ojwb | xnet | 00:40 |
| * ajmitch gets ~16ms with mtr to nz.archive.ubuntu.com | 00:40 | |
| ibeardslee | grrr | 00:41 |
| ojwb | I get 3 wxnz.net hops (which is xnet really) then ape.net.nz, then ubuntu.citilink | 00:41 |
| ajmitch | it's just the big players like telstraclear & telecom that have bad peering policies | 00:41 |
| ojwb | and all but a few ms is the first hop, so it doesn't appear it goes to auckland and back | 00:42 |
| ojwb | they are auckland based though I think | 00:42 |
| ajmitch | the slowest hop for me is in fx networks from dunedin to wellington, it adds maybe 13ms :) | 00:42 |
| ojwb | geolocation usually says auckland for me | 00:42 |
| ojwb | ibeardslee: cheer up! | 00:46 |
| * ojwb just saw your playlist... | 00:46 | |
| ibeardslee | heh | 00:47 |
| ibeardslee | the other day you would have seen a who bunch of Tom Waits | 00:47 |
| ibeardslee | often browse the shared music here at work .. find stuff worth listening to | 00:48 |
| * ajmitch might take a big leap & upgrade to maverick this weekend | 00:49 | |
| ajmitch | maybe natty in a few weeks :) | 00:50 |
| ibeardslee | I have a karmic -> lucid server upgrade to do this weekend | 00:51 |
| ajmitch | you've got until the 30th before karmic goes EOL | 00:52 |
| * ajmitch still has some lenny->squeeze upgrades to do on servers | 00:52 | |
| ibeardslee | yeah .. last time I tried I had to get RimuHosting to restore my backup image | 00:52 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 00:52 |
| ajmitch | what went wrong? | 00:52 |
| ibeardslee | not sure .. just didn't come back up properly | 00:53 |
| ibeardslee | I now have regularly nightly dumps of my databases and websites | 00:54 |
| ibeardslee | don't have the automated rsync to my home server yet | 00:55 |
| ajmitch | it's useful | 00:57 |
| ibeardslee | yeah .. just need to get my head around passphraseless keys and host allow/deny stuff | 00:58 |
| * ajmitch might eventually get around to looking at ipv6 for servers | 01:01 | |
| ibeardslee | fairly dependant on hosting providers for that | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | yeah, we have servers with webdrive, I know that they have ipv6 prefixes announced, so there's a good chance it'll be available | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | but I still have to ask them :) | 01:02 |
| ojwb | passphraseless keys aren't terribly complicated... | 01:02 |
| ojwb | slightly less so than keys with passphrases! | 01:02 |
| ibeardslee | http://rimuhosting.com/knowledgebase/linux/misc/ipv6 | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | with passphraseless keys, you generally want to restrict what can be used via authorised_keys | 01:03 |
| ibeardslee | yeah | 01:03 |
| ibeardslee | and restrict where they can come from | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ looks like it's a race to the bottom with APNIC | 01:04 |
| * ajmitch guesses that it'll be several years yet before a majority of traffic would go via ipv6 in NZ | 01:05 | |
| ibeardslee | we are small enough that we should be able to just get it happening | 01:06 |
| ibeardslee | but that requires ISPs to talk to and work with each other | 01:07 |
| ibeardslee | probably would have been able to happen 5-10 years ago | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | small enough but very dependent on overseas content - though the problem will more likely be in home equipment like crappy DSL modems :) | 01:08 |
| ibeardslee | I wonder if the UFB project will require IPv6 | 01:09 |
| ojwb | making it a requirement would be a smart move | 01:09 |
| ojwb | or a non-dumb move | 01:09 |
| ibeardslee | and require peering | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | it'd be nice, when I asked snap about ipv6 on dsl, they said that "There are several boundaries that need to be crossed throughout the chorus network." | 01:10 |
| ojwb | at least they didn't say "ipv what now?" | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | heh, they did say there was growing demand for it & that they were looking forward to it happening | 01:11 |
| * ibeardslee is not sure if he can be bothered asking TelstraClear | 01:11 | |
| * ajmitch isn't overly hopeful of things changing soon | 01:14 | |
| kiwiLinux | Hey there i'm in a bit of a dilemma, I'd like a copy of Ubuntu desktop, but I don't have net access at home and was wondering if anyone here would be kind enough to burn a copy to dvd and mail it to me, I will pay for the cost of the DVD+ p&p | 02:01 |
| snail | kiwiLinux: where abouts are you physically? | 02:02 |
| kiwiLinux | Greymouth | 02:02 |
| kiwiLinux | I was thinking about shippit, but it takes a while and I'm not if i'll be still at the same address when the DVD arrives | 02:03 |
| kiwiLinux | *sure | 02:04 |
| kiwiLinux | Argh, look's like shippit has closed anyway :( | 02:05 |
| ojwb | yes, we were discussing that earlier... | 02:05 |
| snail | kiwiLinux: I'd offer to burn you one, but my record for burning media isn't too hot | 02:06 |
| ojwb | which version are you after? | 02:06 |
| ojwb | actually, I think I only have a CD image to hand | 02:06 |
| kiwiLinux | Just Ubuntu-Desktop 10.10 | 02:07 |
| mwhudson | i'd be happy to burn it i guess but i don't seem to have any blank media | 02:10 |
| mwhudson | kiwiLinux: 64 or 32 bit? | 02:10 |
| kiwiLinux | Look's like this library network isn't so slow today, at this rate I'll have a copy in about 2 hours, so don't worry about it, thanks anyway | 02:10 |
| kiwiLinux | 32 bit though | 02:11 |
| mwhudson | ok, cool :) | 02:11 |
| ojwb | not bad for a library! | 02:11 |
| kiwiLinux | Ya lol | 02:11 |
| kiwiLinux | 85 kB/s | 02:12 |
| snail | kiwiLinux: I'm in a library too, you're in greymouth public library? | 02:12 |
| kiwiLinux | Yup | 02:12 |
| snail | I work in the library at VUW doing stuff like http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc05Cycl-t1-body1-d3-d26-d1.html | 02:13 |
| kiwiLinux | Nice, what a coincidence too lol | 02:14 |
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| === Nigel_ is now known as G | ||
| ajmitch | morning | 20:53 |
| chilts_ | morning | 21:01 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 21:07 |
| mwhudson | morning | 22:16 |
| Atamira | mornin | 22:36 |
| snail | here's a question, what happens to a standard when the standard's body is insolvent? http://www.lisa.org/ | 22:45 |
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