[00:08] morning [00:12] hi chilts [00:27] ojwb: broadband still is a marketing promise... [00:28] snail: we're more crippled by tiny data caps than by speed [00:28] ++ [00:28] having fibre to the home won't really change that [00:28] although it has been a while since I hit my cap [00:28] at least a month ;) [00:28] heh [00:29] I often hit the 20GB cap [00:29] snail: in NZ perhaps, this was talking about " the most connected parts of the most developed nations" [00:30] it might change it the govt forces sane interconnect rules and exempts local traffic. I have a couple of curriculum-relevant terabytes of data I'd like to put in schools... [00:30] and I can certainly pull data from an in country mirror at a good rate [00:31] I find .au mirrors are regulary quicker than the .nz [00:31] ibeardslee: bandwidth terrorist! [00:31] ibeardslee: because there isn't sane .nz peering? [00:31] depends on your ISP & who they're peering with [00:31] but then I just want to throw a big baseball bat at T/C and their peering [00:32] ah, they basically don't peer do they? [00:32] .au doesn't exactly have sane peering either, from what I know [00:33] http://www.figjam.geek.nz/node/40 [00:34] it's interesting that you get slower speeds from mirror.ihug.co.nz [00:35] ping's not necessarily the best tool for such tests [00:35] is connecting to australia quicker than to ihug? [00:35] in that case there, no [00:35] oh, then traceroute [00:35] no it's not, I'm more interested in actual download speeds [00:36] it's expected that citylink speeds would be bad since it's not going to the wellington server [00:36] but the same applies really - routers may not treat ICMP stuff the same way as "useful" traffic [00:36] I had used the speed test to compare(ish) as well [00:36] need to find where I saved those results to [00:37] wget a large package from each mirror [00:37] hmm true that might be a better solution [00:37] always best to measure what you actually care about and not some proxy for it :) [00:37] will redo the ping and mtr tests as well and update that this weekend .. maybe [00:38] for me, it's 55, 59 and 106 ms avg from traceroute [00:39] so wellington's quickest, which is how life should be [00:39] heh, au.archive.ubuntu.com is a bit slower for me, it goes via an ipv6 tunnel to the US & then to australia [00:40] ojwb: who is your isp? [00:40] xnet [00:40] * ajmitch gets ~16ms with mtr to nz.archive.ubuntu.com [00:41] grrr [00:41] I get 3 wxnz.net hops (which is xnet really) then ape.net.nz, then ubuntu.citilink [00:41] it's just the big players like telstraclear & telecom that have bad peering policies [00:42] and all but a few ms is the first hop, so it doesn't appear it goes to auckland and back [00:42] they are auckland based though I think [00:42] the slowest hop for me is in fx networks from dunedin to wellington, it adds maybe 13ms :) [00:42] geolocation usually says auckland for me [00:46] ibeardslee: cheer up! [00:46] * ojwb just saw your playlist... [00:47] heh [00:47] the other day you would have seen a who bunch of Tom Waits [00:48] often browse the shared music here at work .. find stuff worth listening to [00:49] * ajmitch might take a big leap & upgrade to maverick this weekend [00:50] maybe natty in a few weeks :) [00:51] I have a karmic -> lucid server upgrade to do this weekend [00:52] you've got until the 30th before karmic goes EOL [00:52] * ajmitch still has some lenny->squeeze upgrades to do on servers [00:52] yeah .. last time I tried I had to get RimuHosting to restore my backup image [00:52] ouch [00:52] what went wrong? [00:53] not sure .. just didn't come back up properly [00:54] I now have regularly nightly dumps of my databases and websites [00:55] don't have the automated rsync to my home server yet [00:57] it's useful [00:58] yeah .. just need to get my head around passphraseless keys and host allow/deny stuff [01:01] * ajmitch might eventually get around to looking at ipv6 for servers [01:01] fairly dependant on hosting providers for that [01:01] yeah, we have servers with webdrive, I know that they have ipv6 prefixes announced, so there's a good chance it'll be available [01:02] but I still have to ask them :) [01:02] passphraseless keys aren't terribly complicated... [01:02] slightly less so than keys with passphrases! [01:03] http://rimuhosting.com/knowledgebase/linux/misc/ipv6 [01:03] with passphraseless keys, you generally want to restrict what can be used via authorised_keys [01:03] yeah [01:03] and restrict where they can come from [01:04] http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ looks like it's a race to the bottom with APNIC [01:05] * ajmitch guesses that it'll be several years yet before a majority of traffic would go via ipv6 in NZ [01:06] we are small enough that we should be able to just get it happening [01:07] but that requires ISPs to talk to and work with each other [01:08] probably would have been able to happen 5-10 years ago [01:08] small enough but very dependent on overseas content - though the problem will more likely be in home equipment like crappy DSL modems :) [01:09] I wonder if the UFB project will require IPv6 [01:09] making it a requirement would be a smart move [01:09] or a non-dumb move [01:10] and require peering [01:10] it'd be nice, when I asked snap about ipv6 on dsl, they said that "There are several boundaries that need to be crossed throughout the chorus network." [01:10] at least they didn't say "ipv what now?" [01:11] heh, they did say there was growing demand for it & that they were looking forward to it happening [01:11] * ibeardslee is not sure if he can be bothered asking TelstraClear [01:14] * ajmitch isn't overly hopeful of things changing soon [02:01] Hey there i'm in a bit of a dilemma, I'd like a copy of Ubuntu desktop, but I don't have net access at home and was wondering if anyone here would be kind enough to burn a copy to dvd and mail it to me, I will pay for the cost of the DVD+ p&p [02:02] kiwiLinux: where abouts are you physically? [02:02] Greymouth [02:03] I was thinking about shippit, but it takes a while and I'm not if i'll be still at the same address when the DVD arrives [02:04] *sure [02:05] Argh, look's like shippit has closed anyway :( [02:05] yes, we were discussing that earlier... [02:06] kiwiLinux: I'd offer to burn you one, but my record for burning media isn't too hot [02:06] which version are you after? [02:06] actually, I think I only have a CD image to hand [02:07] Just Ubuntu-Desktop 10.10 [02:10] i'd be happy to burn it i guess but i don't seem to have any blank media [02:10] kiwiLinux: 64 or 32 bit? [02:10] Look's like this library network isn't so slow today, at this rate I'll have a copy in about 2 hours, so don't worry about it, thanks anyway [02:11] 32 bit though [02:11] ok, cool :) [02:11] not bad for a library! [02:11] Ya lol [02:12] 85 kB/s [02:12] kiwiLinux: I'm in a library too, you're in greymouth public library? [02:12] Yup [02:13] I work in the library at VUW doing stuff like http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc05Cycl-t1-body1-d3-d26-d1.html [02:14] Nice, what a coincidence too lol === _thumper_ is now known as thumper === Nigel_ is now known as G [20:53] morning [21:01] morning [21:07] morning [22:16] morning [22:36] mornin [22:45] here's a question, what happens to a standard when the standard's body is insolvent? http://www.lisa.org/