[00:08] <chilts> morning
[00:12] <ojwb> hi chilts
[00:27] <snail> ojwb: broadband still is a marketing promise...
[00:28] <ajmitch> snail: we're more crippled by tiny data caps than by speed
[00:28] <ibeardslee> ++
[00:28] <ajmitch> having fibre to the home won't really change that
[00:28] <ibeardslee> although it has been a while since I hit my cap
[00:28] <ibeardslee> at least a month ;)
[00:28] <ajmitch> heh
[00:29] <ajmitch> I often hit the 20GB cap
[00:29] <ojwb> snail: in NZ perhaps, this was talking about " the most connected parts of the most developed nations"
[00:30] <snail> it might change it the govt forces sane interconnect rules and exempts local traffic. I have a couple of curriculum-relevant terabytes of data I'd like to put in schools...
[00:30] <ojwb> and I can certainly pull data from an in country mirror at a good rate
[00:31] <ibeardslee> I find .au mirrors are regulary quicker than the .nz
[00:31] <ojwb> ibeardslee: bandwidth terrorist!
[00:31] <snail> ibeardslee: because there isn't sane .nz peering?
[00:31] <ajmitch> depends on your ISP & who they're peering with
[00:31] <ibeardslee> but then I just want to throw a big baseball bat at T/C and their peering
[00:32] <ojwb> ah, they basically don't peer do they?
[00:32] <ajmitch> .au doesn't exactly have sane peering either, from what I know
[00:33] <ibeardslee> http://www.figjam.geek.nz/node/40
[00:34] <ajmitch> it's interesting that you get slower speeds from mirror.ihug.co.nz
[00:35] <ojwb> ping's not necessarily the best tool for such tests
[00:35] <ajmitch> is connecting to australia quicker than to ihug?
[00:35] <ibeardslee> in that case there, no
[00:35] <ojwb> oh, then traceroute
[00:35] <ajmitch> no it's not, I'm more interested in actual download speeds
[00:36] <ajmitch> it's expected that citylink speeds would be bad since it's not going to the wellington server
[00:36] <ojwb> but the same applies really - routers may not treat ICMP stuff the same way as "useful" traffic
[00:36] <ibeardslee> I had used the speed test to compare(ish) as well
[00:36] <ibeardslee> need to find where I saved those results to
[00:37] <ajmitch> wget a large package from each mirror
[00:37] <ibeardslee> hmm true that might be a better solution
[00:37] <mwhudson> always best to measure what you actually care about and not some proxy for it :)
[00:37] <ibeardslee> will redo the ping and mtr tests as well and update that this weekend .. maybe
[00:38] <ojwb> for me, it's 55, 59 and 106 ms avg from traceroute
[00:39] <ojwb> so wellington's quickest, which is how life should be
[00:39] <ajmitch> heh, au.archive.ubuntu.com is a bit slower for me, it goes via an ipv6 tunnel to the US & then to australia
[00:40] <ibeardslee> ojwb: who is your isp?
[00:40] <ojwb> xnet
[00:40]  * ajmitch gets ~16ms with mtr to nz.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:41] <ibeardslee> grrr
[00:41] <ojwb> I get 3 wxnz.net hops (which is xnet really) then ape.net.nz, then ubuntu.citilink
[00:41] <ajmitch> it's just the big players like telstraclear & telecom that have bad peering policies
[00:42] <ojwb> and all but a few ms is the first hop, so it doesn't appear it goes to auckland and back
[00:42] <ojwb> they are auckland based though I think
[00:42] <ajmitch> the slowest hop for me is in fx networks from dunedin to wellington, it adds maybe 13ms :)
[00:42] <ojwb> geolocation usually says auckland for me
[00:46] <ojwb> ibeardslee: cheer up!
[00:46]  * ojwb just saw your playlist...
[00:47] <ibeardslee> heh
[00:47] <ibeardslee> the other day you would have seen a who bunch of Tom Waits
[00:48] <ibeardslee> often browse the shared music here at work .. find stuff worth listening to
[00:49]  * ajmitch might take a big leap & upgrade to maverick this weekend
[00:50] <ajmitch> maybe natty in a few weeks :)
[00:51] <ibeardslee> I have a karmic -> lucid server upgrade to do this weekend
[00:52] <ajmitch> you've got until the 30th before karmic goes EOL
[00:52]  * ajmitch still has some lenny->squeeze upgrades to do on servers
[00:52] <ibeardslee> yeah .. last time I tried I had to get RimuHosting to restore my backup image
[00:52] <ajmitch> ouch
[00:52] <ajmitch> what went wrong?
[00:53] <ibeardslee> not sure .. just didn't come back up properly
[00:54] <ibeardslee> I now have regularly nightly dumps of my databases and websites
[00:55] <ibeardslee> don't have the automated rsync to my home server yet
[00:57] <ajmitch> it's useful
[00:58] <ibeardslee> yeah .. just need to get my head around passphraseless keys and host allow/deny stuff
[01:01]  * ajmitch might eventually get around to looking at ipv6 for servers
[01:01] <ibeardslee> fairly dependant on hosting providers for that
[01:01] <ajmitch> yeah, we have servers with webdrive, I know that they have ipv6 prefixes announced, so there's a good chance it'll be available
[01:02] <ajmitch> but I still have to ask them :)
[01:02] <ojwb> passphraseless keys aren't terribly complicated...
[01:02] <ojwb> slightly less so than keys with passphrases!
[01:03] <ibeardslee> http://rimuhosting.com/knowledgebase/linux/misc/ipv6
[01:03] <ajmitch> with passphraseless keys, you generally want to restrict what can be used via authorised_keys
[01:03] <ibeardslee> yeah
[01:03] <ibeardslee> and restrict where they can come from
[01:04] <ajmitch> http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ looks like it's a race to the bottom with APNIC
[01:05]  * ajmitch guesses that it'll be several years yet before a majority of traffic would go via ipv6 in NZ
[01:06] <ibeardslee> we are small enough that we should be able to just get it happening
[01:07] <ibeardslee> but that requires ISPs to talk to and work with each other
[01:08] <ibeardslee> probably would have been able to happen 5-10 years ago
[01:08] <ajmitch> small enough but very dependent on overseas content - though the problem will more likely be in home equipment like crappy DSL modems :)
[01:09] <ibeardslee> I wonder if the UFB project will require IPv6
[01:09] <ojwb> making it a requirement would be a smart move
[01:09] <ojwb> or a non-dumb move
[01:10] <ibeardslee> and require peering
[01:10] <ajmitch> it'd be nice, when I asked snap about ipv6 on dsl, they said that "There are several boundaries that need to be crossed throughout the chorus network."
[01:10] <ojwb> at least they didn't say "ipv what now?"
[01:11] <ajmitch> heh, they did say there was growing demand for it & that they were looking forward to it happening
[01:11]  * ibeardslee is not sure if he can be bothered asking TelstraClear
[01:14]  * ajmitch isn't overly hopeful of things changing soon
[02:01] <kiwiLinux> Hey there i'm in a bit of a dilemma, I'd like a copy of Ubuntu desktop, but I don't have net access at home and was wondering if anyone here would be kind enough to burn a copy to dvd and mail it to me, I will pay for the cost of the DVD+ p&p
[02:02] <snail> kiwiLinux:  where abouts are you physically?
[02:02] <kiwiLinux> Greymouth
[02:03] <kiwiLinux> I was thinking about shippit, but it takes a while and I'm not if i'll be still at the same address when the DVD arrives
[02:04] <kiwiLinux> *sure
[02:05] <kiwiLinux> Argh, look's like shippit has closed anyway :(
[02:05] <ojwb> yes, we were discussing that earlier...
[02:06] <snail> kiwiLinux: I'd offer to burn you one, but my record for burning media isn't too hot
[02:06] <ojwb> which version are you after?
[02:06] <ojwb> actually, I think I only have a CD image to hand
[02:07] <kiwiLinux> Just Ubuntu-Desktop 10.10
[02:10] <mwhudson> i'd be happy to burn it i guess but i don't seem to have any blank media
[02:10] <mwhudson> kiwiLinux: 64 or 32 bit?
[02:10] <kiwiLinux> Look's like this library network isn't so slow today, at this rate I'll have a copy in about 2 hours, so don't worry about it, thanks anyway
[02:11] <kiwiLinux> 32 bit though
[02:11] <mwhudson> ok, cool :)
[02:11] <ojwb> not bad for a library!
[02:11] <kiwiLinux> Ya lol
[02:12] <kiwiLinux> 85 kB/s
[02:12] <snail> kiwiLinux: I'm in a library too, you're in greymouth public library?
[02:12] <kiwiLinux> Yup
[02:13] <snail> I work in the library at VUW doing stuff like http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc05Cycl-t1-body1-d3-d26-d1.html
[02:14] <kiwiLinux> Nice, what a coincidence too lol
[20:53] <ajmitch> morning
[21:01] <chilts_> morning
[21:07] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:16] <mwhudson> morning
[22:36] <Atamira> mornin
[22:45] <snail> here's a question, what happens to a standard when the standard's body is insolvent? http://www.lisa.org/