[00:01] Not too sure what happened there, those pics drove my computer to a grinding halt :/ === UndiFineD is now known as UndiFineD_ === UndiFineD_ is now known as UndiFineD [00:03] Could you say again atall? === Mattb90_ is now known as Mattb90 [00:07] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/screen.jpg seems to be pretty relevant :/ [00:11] hmm looks familiar [00:12] istr a maverick bug that did that, it wasn't actually a problem with sata though, but something else completely random [00:12] the ata errors were none fatal and just happened to be the last thing on the screen [00:12] could be unrelated though [00:12] that's all dmesg has for that device [00:13] hmm ok you grepped [00:13] so what's on tail of dmesg? [00:14] and grep sg0 just has a "sd 0:0:0:0: Attached SCSI generic sg0 type 0" [00:14] can you see it in /dev/ or mount it or anything like that? [00:15] It's in dev, but mount tells me it's not a block device. [00:15] Booting again now, will find out what dmesg has for me [00:17] Assuming sg0 is ata2 as there's no sdb,c, etc. Just sda which is mountable [00:18] sounds bad [00:19] Why thanks ubuntu [00:19] You have 206 updates available! [00:25] better than having 205 and an extra "problem" left [00:25] ;) [00:25] I don't see anything else odd in dmesg; http://oneil.me.uk/dmesg.txt in it's entirety [00:27] it didn't add any other log messages until I found a usb key to stick in it 1-2 minutes later [00:29] just seems to spend about 15 seconds waiting for ata2 to make sense, then gives up and dumps me into initramfs [00:30] (this is beta1, daily did the same) [00:41] well, I should drop it for tonight. gotta be up in 4 hours. added to the forum thread to see if anyone else running the same is seeing this. [00:41] join date nov 2004, and that's my first post. forums aren't my bag, baby [00:58] haha === issyl0_ is now known as Guest27687 [02:11] cool i earned the tumbleweed achievement on askubuntu :) === matti__ is now known as matti === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [07:24] morning all [07:24] hello! [07:26] over the past 3 days I've upgraded (not fresh install \o/) natty on my laptop, revo box and zoneminder server, and touching wood, four leafed shamrocks etc, everything works as expected :) [07:28] my experience with Unity can be summed up as a 30min rollercoaster - 10mins 'how does this thing work', 10mins 'this is cr*p and is going out of the window, to a final 10mins of 'this is actually an interesting way of working and is quite good' [07:38] anywho, enjoy the weather all :) Off to work time :( === ivanka is now known as ivanka-train [08:00] hello [08:04] mornin [08:07] Morning [08:12] Mornin [08:13] can anyone find this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/749660 [08:13] Error: Launchpad(https://launchpad.net) bug 749660 not found [08:13] Weird, Submitted a bug last night and got a reply saying it was a duplicate with the above. [08:13] and it doesnt exist [08:45] G'Day === dgjones is now known as DJones [08:56] I've not used Natty yet - is this a reasonably accurate precis so far? http://journalxtra.com/2011/04/ubuntu-11-04-what-have-they-done/ [08:58] imho, yes [08:59] Yes, but you can just switch to Ubuntu Classic [08:59] And then it looks/works mostly like 10.10 :) [08:59] Except for the #@( global menu [08:59] Ah, he says this at the bottom. [09:00] ... And you can't re-arrange items on the task switcher [09:00] -10 points for not allowing my compulsive behaviour :( [09:02] Jeez - that sounds like a pile of poo. [09:03] TheOpenSourcerer: Hence my switch to xubuntu [09:03] Tommeh: But the design team is god, and knows everything better than you! [09:03] Tommeh: they're professionals! trust them! [09:04] Heh [09:04] To be fair to them, IMO, they've made some risky changes in the past and it's turned out for the better. [09:04] Some people hate change .. Me, I'm on the fence about Unity. If I could have an easier way to switch workspaces I'd be using it. [09:04] The titlebar buttons you mean? [09:04] Things like libnotify [09:05] I remember it was 'risky' to not allow them to be closed/removed, etc. [09:06] When I ran it on a liveusb at the weekend, I was quite impressed, it looked quite clean & worked otb, the only problem I had was the installer crashing out & failing to install grub [09:06] TheOpenSourcerer: I quite liked Unity. I even filed a bug to that effect :P [09:06] It'll be like marmite for a while :) [09:07] Even if it's not polished-up in this release, they'll be working on making it suit. [09:10] Whats the saying, "Time is a great healer", as people get used to it and the experience improves, I'm sure people will get used to it [09:11] Tommeh: "an easier way to switch workspaces..." What is the problem here then? [09:12] ali1234: ping [09:12] Mornin campers [09:12] TheOpenSourcerer: I have to open the thing on the left to change workspaces [09:13] And even then you have to wait for it to zoom out, select a workspace, zoom in [09:13] wintellect: Campers? This isn't an FPS game is it? :P [09:13] Very annoying [09:13] Doesn't CTL+ALT+Arrow work? [09:13] I don't want to use my keyboard all the time! [09:13] MartijnVdS: :P [09:13] Second person to have said that. [09:14] Sometimes I really don't have both hands on the keyboard... [09:14] So instead of one click to switch workspaces, it's three -- with waiting for transitions in between. [09:15] Makes it very annoying to multi-task across multiple workspaces. [09:15] I'm always running 3 or 4 desktops... [09:15] Good for you :) [09:15] Tommeh: That won't be problem for men, my wife always says that mem can't do two things at once [09:15] s/mem/men [09:16] * TheOpenSourcerer goes and shuts every window that isn't the current focus of my attention to please DJones ' wife [09:16] Heh [09:16] good mornin [09:16] Hang on, haven't finished yet. [09:17] :P [09:17] Although I think her idea of multi-tasking is, sitting on the couch, watching tv & playing on facebook [09:17] * DJones checks to make sure she hasn't joined the channel to see what I talk about [09:18] popey: just speaking to markdude who sends his regards :) [09:19] morning all [09:19] MooDoo: in real life? [09:19] good morning everyone! How are you all today? [09:19] popey: no, fedora-ambassadors IRc [09:20] last night I created my daily zsync script for natty. Am now going to test the desktop in VBox, see if it is bad as it sounds. [09:20] ah [09:20] popey: he mentioned chickens :) [09:20] has he left Ubuntu to join Fedora then? [09:21] popey: no idea, i've always seen him in that channel [09:21] Tommeh: i joine the convo late, are you speaking of gnome shell, unity, or both? [09:23] With respect to what? [09:23] A lack of simple workspace switching? [09:24] yep [09:25] The installer is nice. Like the way it does stuff in the background whilst you fill out the other info. [09:25] Good morning peeps :) [09:27] Tommeh: enable the thing that lets you switch workspace by nudging the mouse against the edge of the screen? [09:27] That's one idea, but in the past I've tried using similar things with compiz and it's just driven me mad due to hitting it by accident :( [09:27] However I'd like a simple workspace switcher, as I have now [09:27] Click, switch, click, switch. [09:29] I'm a secret lemonade drinker [09:29] Don't know why you made me think of that [09:29] * TheOpenSourcerer attempts to not say "R-Whites" [09:29] Too late :D [09:31] Tommeh: i suggest you raise a feature request for right click on workspace switcher to show a quicklist of all desktops , then the process is right click workspace switcher, choose desktop number [09:31] that would work nicely [09:31] * popey pokes gord [09:32] This is because there is no bottom panel any more and no workspace display in the bottom right? [09:32] yes [09:33] Argh [09:33] i never used that switcher [09:33] too hard to hit [09:33] I used to enjoy holding alt and scrolling the scroll wheel to change desktops [09:33] yeah, i use that [09:33] I tend to use CTL+ALT+> [09:33] Doesn't work in Windows :D [09:33] i usually use CTRL+ALT+arrows tbh though [09:33] because thats not far from where my hands rest anyway [09:34] My left hand naturally rests on wasd :( [09:34] * oimon looks down and sees his left hand on sdf [09:34] * TheOpenSourcerer doesn't even ponder where bigcalm 's right would be resting ;-) [09:34] returns his pinky to the a key [09:35] TheOpenSourcerer: it would squeek if it could [09:35] lol [09:37] oimon, bring it up on ayatana list or file a feature request bug, can't do it for this cycle sorry === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [09:48] \o [09:48] \o hazman [09:49] MartijnVdS: \o/ [09:50] MartijnVdS: how's it going? [09:50] HazRPG: We've just moved a big project to Debian at work :) [09:50] \o/ [09:50] seems my body has gone back in sync with normal times again... although I can see it going out of wack again in a few days time [09:50] MartijnVdS: \o/ score! [09:53] I hope it wasn't from Ubuntu to Debian [09:54] I've just downloaded natty alt + desktop in both i386 and amd64 \o/ [09:54] I'll keep those seeding for a week or so :) [09:58] I think I should learn the ol' bzr I think... upload my code recipe to it :) [09:59] HazRPG: I use a zsync script to update all 6 daily Natty isos overnight [09:59] TheOpenSourcerer: ooo, how does that work exactly? [09:59] lol [10:00] does that just download the new bits? [10:00] hang on I'll paste the script [10:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/590121/ [10:01] heh typical... the day I want to use LaunchPad and its down for maintenance :P [10:01] TheOpenSourcerer: nice :) [10:03] Just run that in the background overnight the first time to get all the isos then when it runs later it just gets the differences. [10:04] nice :) [10:04] much thanks [10:04] Hmm, Natty fails to boot now I've installed the Guest Editions. Hangs at "Checking battery state..." [10:04] bug report \o/ [10:05] Distro change! [10:06] xD [10:06] Does holding down the shift key work in VBox to get to the grub menu usually? Isn't working for me right now [10:06] wow, I've managed to seed a ratio of 0.80 of Wikipedia Feb 2011! >_< [10:07] HazRPG: a lot of data? [10:07] TheOpenSourcerer: erm, make sure the screen has grabbed your mouse by clicking on it first before you hold shift... otherwise it won't work I think === victorp_ is now known as victorp [10:07] To answer my own question - YES. But you have to be quick. [10:08] bigcalm: Well it's the whole of wikipedia up until feb 2011! (about 6.5GB tarballed) [10:08] That all? My goodness [10:09] just the english wiki, without images [10:09] Ah, ok [10:09] Text compresses well [10:09] it extracts out of the tarball as 11.4GB [10:09] although that's a WikiTaxi file... so even that could be compressed too [10:13] Does it include discussions and revisions? [10:13] bigcalm: ah, here we go... it uncompresses to 27GB [10:13] no, just current revisions [10:14] all revisions, all pages is a ~31GB 7z file (uncompresses to over 5TB) [10:14] or a bz2 ~280GB file [10:15] bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download [10:15] Funky [10:17] wow the arabic one isn't as big :S [10:19] TheOpenSourcerer: would zsync work with .bz2 files :P? [10:20] ah maybe not cos they don't have a zsync file [10:20] (reading through the pastebin) [10:26] Hmm The daily Natty Desktop 64bit won't start in VBox for me. Was OK until I installed the Guest Editions to get 3D. Now bored, will go and do proper work instead. [10:26] heh :P [10:26] hah [10:28] just updated my LP to have my wiki on it now :) [10:28] I wish there was a way to have under languages English first then Arabic... because English is my 1st language, not arabic lol [10:35] nice, gmail was saying i had -1 messages ;) [10:35] Wow, I just tried Gnome3 [10:35] all the zero-inbox nuts will be jealous :) [10:37] gord: Have you been reading your email before receiving it? [10:49] smittix, and you gazed into the very heart of darkness? [10:54] directhex: Actually I thought it was a pleasant experience. [10:56] I'm actually looking forward to seeing a complete and fully opperational deathst^Wunity [10:58] Missquoted *sigh* [10:59] hi all. just installed ubuntu on a dell inspiron mini. problem i got is that i got the wifi to work with my router but after 5 mins of being connected, it kicked me off and now i cant reconnect again despite having all the right details put in. any advice?? [11:02] morning all [11:02] anyone???? [11:02] jonsaint: do you know which drivers you are using for wifi? iirc there are two available, you can cehck by going to system > administration > aditional drivers [11:03] just looking [11:04] X3N, its brought 2 up, broadcom b43 wireless driver and a broadcom sta proprietary wireless driver with the first one active [11:04] try switching to the proprietary driver [11:05] you may need to plug into the wired to download the driver if you don't already have it [11:05] yeah doing hat now to see if it works [11:06] just doing a restart on it to see what happens [11:06] jonsaint: the b43 driver sucks you need to use the sta one [11:07] just trying that one now [11:08] its saying wireless networks disconnected [11:09] i even got the windows wireless drivers thing added from the software centre [11:10] davmor2: morning dude [11:10] jonsaint: have you tried connecting to a wireless connection [11:10] HazRPG: morning [11:10] Hey guys & gals i need a suggestion [11:10] davmor2, yeah i was connected at first for about 5 mins then it suddenly went off and not been able to connect since [11:10] I got this computer a while back and i'm in the process of migrating the old system (windows xp) over to ubuntu [11:11] do many people here use jabber.org? [11:11] I need to import the pictures, music, videos and docs from xp to ubuntu [11:11] Problem is, xp is currently sitting on 70gb and ubuntu has 6gb assigned to it (hd is 76gb), what would you say is the best way to approace this? [11:12] At the moment i'm slowly shrking the xp partition and slowly cutting things from xp to ubuntu as i used ntfs-config to get the drive writable in ubuntu [11:12] But it's slow as heck [11:12] oo: copy data to an external drive. Delete the windows partition. Resize unbuntu partition to fill the gap [11:13] Damn i knew i'd have to go digging for an external drive lol [11:13] Or CDs/DVDs [11:13] The cd drive on this pc is buggered so the only way i could install ubuntu was via wubi [11:14] Usb booting isn't supported on this computer ;( (Well, i've never got it to work!) [11:14] You are having a fun time with it then :D [11:14] Oh i don't mind i'm tempted to use nab my brothers hd lol [11:15] czajkowski: somebody kidnapped you last night, I went to insult you and there you were gone I'm glad you're back you muppet :) [11:15] I gave it to him in the first place (he's got 150gb free) it's a 250gb drive [11:15] My drive is 76gb (sobs) [11:15] My video folder alone is 20gb [11:16] brb updating pidgin [11:20] HazRPG: just checked my pidgin on lucid and i'm on v2.6.6 - worth upgrading? [11:20] HazRPG: still not using irssi then? [11:20] MartijnVdS: nope lol [11:20] oimon: Empathy > * for IM, irssi > * for irc [11:21] oimon: erm... considering its 2.7.11 I'd say so :P [11:21] oimon: depends what you use it for [11:21] gmail chat and irc [11:21] trawling the changelogs but can't see much in terms of features [11:22] mainly bugfixes [11:22] erm... its up to you then, I'd do it for the patches for bugfixes and protocol changes [11:22] things like MSN, Yahoo, and I think Jabber have changed a fair bit over that time [11:23] I prefer to be up-to-date [11:23] but that's me ^^ [11:23] * oimon adds yet another PPA to his system [11:23] grrrrrrr lp :/ [11:23] ppa:pidgin-developers/ppa is for pidgin [11:24] i'm there :P [11:24] :) [11:24] it always shocks me how things like pidgin never get updated on older ubuntu's [11:24] can't figure out for the life of me how to submit a bug against the kernel in launchpad :/ [11:24] never felt the need to try empathy when pidgin works [11:25] esp. since those are things with protocols that always changes [11:25] 2.6.6 is 14 months old [11:25] LTS without PPA would be lame [11:25] shauno: which kernel? [11:26] no idea, I can't boot a live system [11:26] I'm not sure it's meant to be filed against a package when it's the installer's kernel [11:26] shauno: try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux [11:27] HazRPG: now on 2.7.11 :P [11:27] oimon: \o/ [11:27] that tries to send me to bugzilla.kernel.org [11:27] i never think to upgrade stuff when apt-get does things for me [11:27] oimon: I do when it involves programs that rely on their own protocols [11:30] I recall back in the ol' 9.04 - 9.10 days, pidgin wouldn't connect to any of my accounts (except irc) because the protocols in question had dropped support for older versions [11:35] I think pidgin are always a version or two behind things like msn [11:35] because MSN protocol is currently v19 [11:35] and I think pidgin is using MSNP14 [11:35] (even the most recent) [11:36] msn drop support for protocols whenever they release a completely new one, because they want people to use their most greatest (and resource hungry) application [11:37] \o/ gtalk/xmpp [11:37] \o/ telephone [11:37] * DJones drops support/consideration for msn [11:41] I think I've managed to move everyone worth talking to to gtalk. except my parents :/ [11:45] I'm stuck using skype as that's what most of my clients use [11:45] Business needs take priority [11:46] i use skype/gtalk/facebook chat (its just jabber) - works out fine [11:47] my company is a major force in xmpp, so... [11:47] i still don't know much about xmpp, apart from that it seems quite versatile [11:48] shauno: lucky git, I've been trying for years :( [11:48] skype desktop sharing for ubuntu - any good? [11:49] oimon: erm I tried it about a year ago and it works quite well [11:49] gets round NAT firewalls? [11:49] we use xmpp desktop sharing at work [11:49] probably works better now [11:49] directhex: xmpp has desktop sharing :o [11:49] ??* [11:50] HazRPG, well, empathy does. not sure what it uses on the back-end [11:50] probably tubes [11:50] I think empathy needs a few things added to it before I consider using it myself [11:50] I like its clean interface, but it just lacks a few things for irc, etc [11:53] woot! I have jabber account now \o/ [11:54] * popey wonders who 85.82.194.254 is [11:54] they seem to be poking ubuntu-uk podcast server every second [11:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hViWJ35GXr8 shell looks more familiar every time i see videos of it.. [11:54] Scary times ran outta space :/ [11:55] * HazRPG goes to whois [11:55] popey: denmark? [11:55] apparently [11:55] * HazRPG goes to update his LP with his jabber [11:56] jabber :D [11:56] ah, there we go, my LP feels so much more complete now :D [11:56] oo: Well I don't want spam in my gmail ;) [11:56] already get enough of that as it is :P [11:57] eah i agree, i try to keep my gmail as clean as possible [11:57] It got overun by some stupid music advertiser recently though :/ [11:57] "Inbox (2892)" [11:57] "You are currently using 3247 MB (42 %) of your 7567 MB." [11:57] o.o [11:57] select all -> delete [11:58] s/delete/archive [11:58] crikey i think i have about that many messages but i'm using about 1% lol [11:58] "Inbox (372)" here [11:58] Forever noattachements :( [11:58] my idea of a tidy gmail is simply not missing anyone who should be getting paid [11:58] "0.9 GB (3%) of 27.4 GB" [11:58] 'Woohoo! You've read all the important messages in your inbox.' [11:58] Wifi is depressing. scp a file from a client to my dev server at 1.9mb/s. scp that same file from the dev server to my laptop at 1.1mb/s :( [11:59] HazRPG: beat 'You are currently using 472 MB (6 %) of your 7569 MB.' [11:59] get some N wifi? [11:59] Can't wait till flapping my arms around like a chicken composes a new email with the new google motion ;) [11:59] Yeah I have 20GB extra because it was cheap, and I needed it for my picasaweb account [11:59] I suspect wifi is indeed to blame, but are you sure it's the bottleneck, bigcalm? [11:59] arrgh my funds appeared in my account 1 day late for the ISA deadline :( [12:00] oimon: unlucky [12:00] dev server is on wifi (revo under the tv), laptop is also on wifi. Maybe that's the issue [12:00] oimon: sue hsbc [12:00] sue everybody :) [12:00] this is why no-one uses 16bit busses anymore [12:01] it's everyone elses fault except for this numpty who left it a bit late ;) [12:01] 32 bits of a bus [12:01] Urgh hsbc [12:01] (c) Compaq / Jon Cleese [12:01] Humm, it is. I just plugged the laptop into the router and the same file scp'd at 2.7mb/s [12:01] OK - Anyone know WTF this means?... [12:01] SSLError: [Errno 336265218] _ssl.c:337: error:140B0002:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file:system lib [12:02] I should move the dev server into the office. Can't remember the last time it was actually used with the tv [12:02] TheOpenSourcerer: sounds like your private key file isn't one [12:02] Lol i went in the pub the other day and accidently got out my wrong passport and showed them my passport that expired in 2000, the picture in it was when i was 5 years old, needless to say I got my drink :) [12:02] oo: which country are you in? [12:02] hmm, I wonder why LP is hiding my jabber account [12:03] What is LP, HazRPG? [12:03] United Kingdom [12:03] dwatkins: LaunchPad [12:03] ahh [12:03] passports to buy beer nowadays :S i wouldn't even know where to find my passport [12:03] No i didn't buy beer with my passport [12:03] Hmm. MartijnVdS - I just created the things. Thought it was a permissions issue but the server process owner can read both the key and the cert. [12:04] lol, they asked my for identity to prove i was over 18 [12:04] you carry around an 11-year out of date passport?! [12:04] Oh too look young again [12:05] people are always surprised when they find out i am in my mid 30s..they think i am 20 something [12:05] Not usually no, but I had it on me then [12:05] When i cut my hair i lost a few years [12:05] Amazing what long hair can do [12:05] ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH....Channel 5 are paying for 2 new series of big brother [12:05] Why didn't that tv show die years ago? [12:05] My fiancee, who is 39 next month, hates it when she's asked for ID. Personally I'd take it as a compliment [12:06] Yeah same i'm quite irritated by being asked for id [12:06] But then again i'm 20, clean shaved not the tallest either ;) [12:06] i used to get ID'd when with a big group of lads..not very confiedence building [12:06] at least i still have my own hair compared to the boys with hair on their chests at 14 [12:07] Lol :P I've been wanting to grow a small neat beard for ages [12:07] Grow a big bushy beard [12:07] i discovered something that they never teach you at school the other day. [12:07] But i haven't got enough hair follicles under my chin yet, it would be a patchwork mess [12:08] Was anyone else unable to grow a decent beard at 20? It's quite a pain [12:08] Wondering when i actually can.. [12:08] pick the 3 spoddiest girls from your year/class at school, and check them out at 35. invariably they have become beautiful and successful/talented [12:08] o_O [12:09] Got to agree oimon, not the case all the time but alot of the time yeah [12:09] My friend lost 6 stone, quite a transformation, she was good looking anyway but what a stunner when all that was lost [12:10] meanwhile a lot of the "attractive" girls that all the lads fancied are still single and body clocks ticking [12:10] http://cuth.eu/beard <- me at 29 [12:10] nice robe [12:11] Cheers, M&S finest [12:11] did anyone see the programme on bbc the other day about the guy whose english step-brother had become an islamist extremist? [12:11] no wizzard hat :( [12:11] You've got a decent head of hair for 29 [12:11] had the most disgusting beard i'd ever seen [12:12] One of my friends (19) is in the developing stages of mpb [12:12] oo: and 3 years later I still do ;) [12:12] http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/04/article-1301921345820-0B70595C00000578-210079_636x300.jpg [12:12] Wow [12:13] How long d'ya reckon he's had this beard for? http://swick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Weird%20Beards/Beard%202_Icy.jpg [12:14] One can only dream of a beard like this: http://swick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Weird%20Beards/Beard%208_Full%20Face.jpg [12:15] i think those men are single. [12:15] * oimon goes to clear his firefox cache [12:15] I wish I don't inherit my mums high hairline, it's a bit weird looking at times [12:15] that's awesome. zz-tip tucked into your sunnies [12:15] er, *top [12:15] I wish i had a hairline [12:16] I can never brish my hair properly because i can't find it! [12:16] when i had long hair, women would stop me and ask for tips on keeping it in good condition :o| [12:16] she reminds reverend mother helen mohiam from the dune movie at times [12:16] ^ same [12:16] heh, I had that. never had any idea what to tell them either [12:17] To be honest i found using nothing but the bare essentials, no hair masks, yada yada was the best way to keep it in the best condition [12:17] not dying it every two months helps [12:17] I think that's the trick. don't drown it in chemicals and see what it's capable of doing for itself [12:18] ^ I tried explaining that to my girlfriend [12:18] popey: 1/7 :O [12:18] But it's harder said than done [12:18] I tried dying mine once. it was meant to go black, and came out blue. nevar again. [12:18] or washing every day, every other day is the max... mine goes all hemp if I wash too often [12:19] I get greasy hair fast, i have to wash it daily :( [12:19] now I just shave it off whenever I notice it's back. problem solved :) [12:20] Don't suit skinhead [12:20]