[00:04] <iheartubuntu> thanx
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> i will have to pick some up
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> barely making it today
[04:04] <ryaxnb> hello
[04:04] <ryaxnb> using linux is so fun
[04:04] <ryaxnb> using linux is california is funner :)
[04:06] <sn9> especially ubuntu
[04:14] <MarkDude> Well even on a spaceship using Linux should be fun
[04:14] <sn9> especially ubuntu
[04:15] <MarkDude> Dont forget Puppy Linux- it barks when you start it up
[04:15] <akk> Anywhere you need to use a computer.
[04:15] <MarkDude> That is fun, IMO
[04:15] <MarkDude> Ruff ruff.
[04:15] <kevin9286049> weeeeeee
[04:18]  * MarkDude is wondering if the person from Hawaii ever came back - my machine died- so I have no log of WHERE I was supposed to send them some SWAG
[04:18] <sn9> facepalm
[04:26] <kevin9286049> a Hawaiian?  i talked to a Hawaiian at SCaLE wearing a superman shirt
[04:26] <kevin9286049> btw MarkDude how are you?
[04:28] <kevin9286049> i asked him if he was Hawaiian and he said "yeah".  then i said "i like your t-shirt" and he said "I *feel* like Superman" and i said "coooool."
[04:28] <akk> MarkDude: So is Fedora really naming their release Beefy Miracle? Tell me it's a late april fool's joke.
[04:29] <sn9> i think it's still being decided
[05:39] <MarkDude> grantbow, I cant make it tomorrow,
[05:39] <MarkDude> akk,  no it is very likely the name
[05:39] <akk> ick
[05:39] <MarkDude> voting is happening now
[05:40] <akk> And there are people actually voting for it?
[05:40]  * MarkDude likes that it REMOVES the #1 thing i hear Fedora folks complain about Ubuntu
[05:40] <MarkDude> the names
[05:40] <MarkDude> the whole 2 of the same letter
[05:40] <MarkDude> this election removes any superiority Fedora may have felt :)
[05:41] <akk> heh
[05:41] <MarkDude> Umm, have you seen my profile pic on facebook?
[05:42]  * MarkDude has a Beefy Miracle shirt
[05:43]  * akk wades through dozens of "Joe Smith answered 'What's your favorite pickle' with 'Kosher dill'" type entries to find Mark's
[05:43] <akk> So the beefy miracle is a hot dog? Aren't those usually largely pork?
[05:44] <akk> I guess this must be an all-beef one.
[05:44] <MarkDude> Well, Its more than a beef thing
[05:44] <MarkDude> A vegetarian is partially behind the start, mizmo
[05:45] <akk> This must be some cultural reference that I'm missing because I'm an old fart. :)
[05:45] <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/hackergotchis/
[05:46] <akk> (but googling on beefy miracle gets a fedora page as its first hit, so it's not much of a cultural phenom ...)
[05:46] <pleia2> akk: me too, but I can't use age as an excuse :)
[05:46] <MarkDude> Well I made a tofu miracle
[05:46] <MarkDude> it was an animated gif at first
[05:46] <MarkDude> the story behind it was as a generic filler for unbranded Fedora CDs
[05:47] <crashsystems> I may never complain about Mark Shuttleworth's release names again.
[05:47] <pleia2> crashsystems: hehe
[05:47] <MarkDude> crashsystems, you hopefully see some of the beauty nehind the name
[05:47] <akk> Yeah, Ubuntu's are bad but this is far worse.
[05:48] <MarkDude> So the mustard was animated going up the hotdog
[05:48] <crashsystems> I'm seriously considering buying the Canon 7D. That or the 60D. I can't make up my mind.
[05:48] <MarkDude> hence the saying on the back of my shirt "The mustard indicates progress"
[05:48]  * akk gets called inside to finish watching Fargo
[05:49] <pleia2> crashsystems: nice, my boyfriend is looking at the similarly speced nokias
[05:49] <pleia2> nokias?
[05:49] <crashsystems> Nikon
[05:49] <pleia2> nikons!
[05:49] <pleia2> yes :)
[05:49] <crashsystems> I won't ask him for advice then :D
[05:50] <pleia2> I'm more of a canon girl myself
[05:50] <crashsystems> do you have any opinion on 60d vs 7d?
[05:50] <pleia2> no, it's been a couple years since I've seriously looked
[07:18] <MarkDude> Here are the pics form the Global Jam, as well as the Beefy Miracle shirt https://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/UbuntuGlobalJamSaxbysWC#5592349700686778802
[07:18] <MarkDude> As well as Jono wearing the Natty Narwhal shirt
[07:18] <MarkDude> And Dangerous G also
[07:28] <pleia2> added link to the wiki page
[07:33] <MarkDude> Sorry about that, I posted to FB then got busy with stuff
[16:55] <kdub> hola channel
[17:20] <nhaines> Good morning, jono.
[17:21] <jono> hey nhaines
[17:21] <crashsystems> I wonder if some people think that framesets make sites more secure
[17:24] <kdub> oh sure, when i say hello.... :D
[17:26] <kdub> crashsystems: security through obscurity
[17:27] <crashsystems> more like security through insanity
[17:30] <akk> I think they just like the framed design (based on people I know who stubbornly cling to frame designs).
[19:01] <iheartubuntu> i was put on the backup list for UDS!
[19:07] <MarkDude> akk I just saw your Twitter message- hella funny
[19:09] <akk> The war of the worlds one?
[19:16] <MarkDude> The Fedora name thing
[19:16] <iheartubuntu> are they putting in those dang digital meters?
[19:17] <akk> They already did that, iheartubuntu :(
[19:18] <iheartubuntu> looks like a ton of people up in the bay area are protesting and getting those meters reversed or at least put on hold until more data comes out about them
[19:18] <iheartubuntu> http://stopsmartmeters.org/
[19:19] <kevin9286049> hey everybody
[19:19] <akk> Yeah -- they've been fighting for a while, and a court case said tough nuts, but a different court case seems to have just reversed that.
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> hi kevin8675309 whats up
[19:20] <akk> I'm not worried about the radiation thing (which was what the latest court case was about) but I'm bothered by reports of wrong meter readings.
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> i know our meter has read higher ever since it was replaced. not by much... couple dollars here, couple there. but we are home even less!
[19:21] <kevin9286049> where do i start iheartubuntu ?  i guess with the new blueray player my girlfriend got.  it has USB ports :)
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> nice
[19:22] <akk> I could get behind the smartmeters if there was an easy way for me to read it myself and monitor it.
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/features/allfeatures/skype-access/
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> skype now has internet access on public networks (like airports, etc)
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> so u dont need to pay to use the airports wifi, u end up paying skype
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> (and probably the airport somehow thru skype)
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> kev u have any stretches i can do to fix my back
[19:23] <kevin9286049> what's up with you iheartubuntu ?
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> down since sunday
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> my back is jacked up
[19:24] <kevin9286049> you could try out a few iheartubuntu.  but you'd best take it easy and work your way up to a stronger back
[19:24] <kevin9286049> what do you think is the problem iheartubuntu ?
[19:25] <akk> Yoga is supposedly the best long-term solution for back problems (speaking as someone who keeps meaning to try yoga and never gets around to it).
[19:25]  * kevin9286049 stands on his head until you go see cal
[19:25] <kevin9286049> i do "yoga" every day
[19:26] <iheartubuntu> mowing the grass 3x
[19:26] <kevin9286049> just gotta' find movements and poses you enjoy, stick to it daily, and go from there
[19:26] <iheartubuntu> any good stretches to help the back now?
[19:26] <kevin9286049> you mowed the grass and got back pain iheartubuntu ?
[19:26] <kevin9286049> that is puzzling
[19:26] <iheartubuntu> yah :) it was so tall  i had to keep mowing and mowing
[19:27] <kevin9286049> i'm not sure, i could recommend a ton, but there is no silver bullet
[19:27] <kevin9286049> and you'd have to use good judgement when executing them (like, if it hurts bad, stop)
[19:27] <kevin9286049> downward dog, bridge, headstand...
[19:27] <kevin9286049> leg lifts may help
[19:27] <kevin9286049> cobra
[19:28] <iheartubuntu> im thinking if i just keep moving, it will get better
[19:28] <kevin9286049> the standing forward bend also comes to mind
[19:28] <kevin9286049> i'd do the standing forward bend, see how that feels
[19:28] <iheartubuntu> wait are these kama sutra or yoga :)
[19:28] <iheartubuntu> (not like i can do either)
[19:29] <kevin9286049> don't get me started on kama sutra
[19:30] <kevin9286049> another one that might help are those "swimming" exercises.  lay on your stomach, arch back, hands up, and kick feet
[19:30] <kevin9286049> i'd also recommend some leg lifts, 3 sets
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> ive done this cat pose
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> do u knw o what im talking about
[19:31] <akk> I do stomach crunches (when I remember and feel up to it) and it seems to help keep away back problems.
[19:31] <kevin9286049> oh yeah, that might
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> you get down on all fours and then arch your back
[19:31] <kevin9286049> i prefer leg lifts, but they are probably quite similar
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if acupuncture would help
[19:31] <kevin9286049> yeah, i do that pose sometimes
[19:32] <kevin9286049> also "guru pranam"
[19:32] <kevin9286049> like "child's pose"
[19:32] <kevin9286049> i would be looking for prevention iheartubuntu
[19:32] <kevin9286049> only way that will happen is if you find a exercise routine and stick to it
[19:33] <kevin9286049> 15 min to 30 min a day makes a difference
[19:33] <kevin9286049> but the big mystery to me is, why did you mow your lawn 3x?
[19:33] <kevin9286049> once wasn't enough?
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> no
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> it was so tall
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> i just havent had time
[19:36] <kevin9286049> ohhhhhh
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> so i cut it tall
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> then medium
[19:36] <iheartubuntu>  then short
[19:37] <kevin9286049> back and front?
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> and i got a huge backyard
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> i know, stupid
[19:37] <kevin9286049> if i had a place i would do the landscaping mullet style
[19:37] <kevin9286049> serious in the front
[19:37] <kevin9286049> party in the back
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> thats pretty much how i was doing it
[19:37] <kevin9286049> what happened?
[19:37] <kevin9286049> i don't have a yard
[19:37] <kevin9286049> even stupider
[19:37]  * kevin9286049 smiles
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> i think pulling the mower cord a bazillion times did me in
[19:38] <kevin9286049> interesting, an electric mower
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> no
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> regular
[19:38] <kevin9286049> ohhhh
[19:38] <kevin9286049> to start it up
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> yah
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> i used to do yoga too
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> 20 pounds ago
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> :|
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> there was a great website... some gals did a video feed while doing yoga up in montana or something
[19:39] <kevin9286049> i used to eat hamburgers 20 lbs ago
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> they started charging money so i stopped
[19:39] <kevin9286049> i bought a book
[19:39] <kevin9286049> i gave it to my brother
[19:40] <kevin9286049> now i do all kinds of weird stuff that isn't really "yoga" per se
[19:40] <kevin9286049> yoga can be quite boring
[19:40] <kevin9286049> painful too
[19:40] <akk> electric mowers are great, no cord pulling or pollution
[19:41] <akk> it's sad that they're so hard to find
[19:41] <akk> Ours broke and we looked for a replacement, gave up and found a way to fix the old one (better anyway, I know).
[19:41] <nhaines> Not that puzzling.  Pushing can strain the lower back.
[19:41] <nhaines> Oh, I'm off in backscroll land.  :(
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> maybe thats what did it then
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> i ended up duct tapping my mower handle so i would not have to keep starting it up :)
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> taping
[19:43] <nhaines> A very good stretch is to lay on your back and draw your knees into your chest.
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> and duct tape them
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> i will try anything at this point
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> thanks
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> thanks kevin for tips
[19:45] <nhaines> Other than that, rest is good.  Sleeping flat on your back is best for your back at night.  Sleeping on your stomach is worst.
[19:45] <kevin9286049> eh, thank me if they work.  hope you feel better
[19:45] <nhaines> And if you must sleep on your side, put a pillow between your knees.
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> kev.. i found the site i was talking about. http://www.yogatoday.com/
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> but they have some free videos posted often on their blog.. http://blog.yogatoday.com/
[19:47] <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: http://images.google.com may be useful to look up images of poses
[19:47] <kevin9286049> nhaines, how are you?
[19:48] <nhaines> kevin9286049: feeling under the weather today.  Slept in an hour and woke up with a lot of phlegm.
[19:49] <nhaines> I'm doing better since then but I am a bit cold.
[19:49] <kevin9286049> nhaines: yeah, there's something going around.  my throat and nasal passages have been inflamed
[19:49] <kevin9286049> not too much mucous yet, hopefully this is the worst of it
[19:49] <nhaines> Yeah, It's been all this week.  Not a ton of mucous but it's really viscous.
[19:50] <kevin9286049> i noticed the air is still pretty chilly, even when the sun is out
[19:50] <kevin9286049> i might consider wearing a handkerchief over my nose and mouth if 1. i had one and 2. it didn't make me look like a bandit
[19:51] <nhaines> kevin9286049: might not want to ride the trains.  :)
[19:52] <kevin9286049> i hear ya
[19:54] <nhaines> Grr, I think this beta CD I burned is bad and I just hosed my laptop.
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> thats no fun
[20:11] <nhaines> I'll give it one more try, then I'll have a coworker burn me a new CD.  At least I didn't have any important files.
[21:06] <nhaines> Hmm, well, looks like that install worked... maybe asking to download and install updates broek it the first time.
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> kevin9286049 - this is like a wakeup call for me to get back to the gym :)
[22:55] <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: the gym is your backyard, don't waste your $ or time on a gym
[22:55] <kevin9286049> unless you are meeting friends
[22:55] <kevin9286049> my $0.000000000
[22:59] <akk> Whatever works for you is the best exercise plans. I dislike gyms but they work for lots of people.
[23:02] <iheartubuntu> i agree. i used to do a bunch of stuff! just got lazy
[23:03] <pleia2> I certainly don't feel like I'm wasting my money on my membership
[23:03]  * kevin9286049 smiles
[23:03] <iheartubuntu> well, i bought membership to my local gym last year.. i still have a few motnhs on it
[23:04] <iheartubuntu> i dropped 20# to go to europe, then uhhh... i guess im still on vacation
[23:04] <iheartubuntu> my area is perfect for walking in the cool mornings... im near the mountains, etc, but my wife likes the gym. so pretty much whatever works
[23:05] <iheartubuntu> the gym i like becuase u get into a groove
[23:05] <kevin9286049> i like the privacy of home.  you can't do crazy stuff at the gym
[23:05] <kevin9286049> well, i guess you *could*
[23:05] <kevin9286049> but it isn't advised
[23:06] <kevin9286049> it's just not very...free
[23:06] <kevin9286049> maybe it's just the gyms i've been to
[23:06] <iheartubuntu> the one near me is pretty big... swimming pool, saunas, basketball, etc... like a ymca or something
[23:07] <kevin9286049> the beach!
[23:07] <kevin9286049> saunas and basketball...neat
[23:07] <kevin9286049> dart tag at the gym!
[23:07] <kevin9286049> laser tag at SCaLE was a pretty good work out
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> how was that?
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> was there enough room to do it?
[23:07] <kevin9286049> yeah
[23:08] <kevin9286049> it was, i dunno, laser tag.  you have to let yourself be like a kid to enjoy it
[23:08] <akk> Wish I could have done that -- such a fun idea for a conf.
[23:08] <kevin9286049> i felt kind of silly after the 1st round
[23:08] <kevin9286049> but i was generally silly the entire time i was there...soooo
[23:15] <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: actually, all this exercise talk makes me want to go to the beach.  maybe we could have an ubuntu event somewhere
[23:15] <kevin9286049> like malibu or something
[23:15] <kevin9286049> :P
[23:15] <akk> A geeknic.
[23:16] <kevin9286049> sure
[23:16] <kevin9286049> "Geeknics, because Geeks don't pic."
[23:17] <kevin9286049> that made no sense
[23:17]  * kevin9286049 goes back to perl, ashamed
[23:18] <kdub> san diego
[23:19] <akk> http://geeknic.org/
[23:20] <kevin9286049> i'm not really familiar with san diego beaches.  furthest i've been is tressles
[23:20] <kevin9286049> or laguna beach, i went diving there once
[23:20] <kevin9286049> but yeah, i doubt i'll go diving ever again
[23:24] <kevin9286049> well, just looked at a map.  1.  it's spelled trestles.  2.  laguna beach is more north it seems
[23:25] <kevin9286049> so back to perl.  random number generator.  and the array is by line.  i may have to hand code the array.
[23:25]  * MarkDude had a volunteer typing up the list of folks in SoCal that wanted to have a geeknic, they decided typing was tooo hard
[23:25] <MarkDude> So I need to pick up the list and do it myself
[23:26] <kevin9286049> it wasn't me, was it?
[23:27] <kevin9286049> ha
[23:27] <kdub> laguna's way north
[23:29] <kdub> i think DarkwingDuck was talking about a SD geeknic with our local lug
[23:37] <kevin9286049> MarkDude: seriously, if you need help PM
[23:38] <kevin9286049> that sounds cool kdub
[23:38] <kevin9286049> rats, not help...a hand
[23:39] <kevin9286049> ug, i'm going to mess with this bot some more
[23:39] <kevin9286049> fail at english, fail at perl
[23:39] <kevin9286049> it's a fail fest!
[23:39]  * kevin9286049 smiles
[23:39] <MarkDude> Well someone stepped up asa volunteer, and it was too much for them to do. I respectfully thanked them for trying.
[23:40] <kevin9286049> did they forget?  or they literally said typing was too hard?
[23:40] <kevin9286049> MarkDude: ^
[23:42] <MarkDude> kevin9286049, my job is to match someone to what best fits them when they volunteer
[23:42] <MarkDude> If there is any fail, it lies with me
[23:43]  * MarkDude guesses it was the responsibility part, but, that is sorta moot. Maybe they will step up later, maybe not
[23:47] <kevin9286049> i won't speculate further on your situation MarkDude.  but goodluck with your job
[23:48] <MarkDude> kevin9286049, no problem. A key insight to all of this might be that a few volunteers are looking for employment
[23:49] <MarkDude> The stress is most likely anything that is not directly finding work
[23:49] <akk> Always a good thing to keep in mind in times like these.
[23:50]  * MarkDude as a general rule would not give volunteers a bad time, its not like they are getting a check
[23:51] <kevin9286049> oh, absolutely.  searching for a job is a job in and of itself
[23:51] <kevin9286049> i still haven't gotten around to updating my resume today
[23:51] <kevin9286049> i think it isn't explicit enough
[23:52] <MarkDude> We are able to give them free coffee or other such perks, and soon hopefully be able to offset travel expenses.
[23:56] <kevin9286049> there is an ant crawling on me
[23:56]  * kevin9286049 smiles