[00:01] <orias> chris4585: how much stuff are yoiu trying to recover?
[00:02] <chris4585> orias, a few gbs
[00:03] <chris4585> actually probably more than a few
[00:07] <chris4585> orias, I pretty much want to recover everything in ~/
[00:11] <orias> ahhh lost ~?
[00:11] <orias> you can , but its going to be ugly as far as filenames
[00:12] <orias> you need to ensure that you recover drive A onto drive B, otherwise you risk overwritting data. make sure that the destination drive has plenty of room
[00:13] <chris4585> orias, somewhere during upgrading ubuntu, ~/ went missing
[00:14] <chris4585> short story, I should have backed up first
[00:21] <orias> was it on a spereate partition?
[00:21] <orias> *separate
[00:22] <chris4585> nope
[00:22] <orias> ahh
[00:22] <orias> youi should always out ~ on a different partition
[00:23] <chris4585> personally I don't like doing that
[00:23] <orias> really? saves alot of heart aches
[00:24] <orias> especially during upgrades or new installs
[00:25] <orias> decided on what you want to do?
[00:27] <chris4585> usually I do fresh installs, I just copy my files from my external hdd
[00:27] <chris4585> well I'm on the phone atm, but I'm going to look up some syntax or how to use it
[00:29] <orias> photorec is pretty easy, select the correct drive, then go through the options
[00:31] <chris4585> do you just run photorec and then get a menu?
[00:33] <orias> yeah
[00:34] <orias> sudo photorec
[00:34] <orias> then select the right drive
[00:34] <chris4585> do I have to have it mounted?
[00:34] <orias> yeah
[00:34] <chris4585> ok
[00:35] <orias> then choose "continue" when it asks about hidden partitions
[00:35] <orias> then EFI GPT >
[00:36] <orias> then whole disk> then filetype (ext3/4)
[00:36] <orias> then *imoortant* make sure you choose the right drive to put the recovered files in :)
[00:37] <orias> then hit "y" to start the process :)
[00:38] <orias_> heh
[00:38] <chris4585> hrm okay
[00:38] <orias_> you want to
[00:39] <orias_> change the file types it looks for, unless you want to get *everything* back
[00:39] <orias_> srsly *everything* even little cache files and thumbnails 0.o
[00:40] <chris4585> I'm at the part where it says "Disk /dev/sda - 500 GB / 465 GiB (R0) - etc... Unknown.  Search?
[00:40] <orias_> do you want to get everything back? (takes a while)
[00:40] <orias_> or a more targeted approach?
[00:41] <chris4585> I want everything in a specific partition / folder
[00:41] <orias_> its going to scan for everything it can
[00:41] <orias_> g
[00:41] <chris4585> so Partition - Unknown ?
[00:42] <chris4585> and hit search?
[00:42] <orias_> you're at the first menu?
[00:42] <orias_> ahh the last menu
[00:42] <orias_> did you make sure to chose the correct destination?
[00:42] <chris4585> Search - Options - File Opt - Quit
[00:42] <orias_> if so then select search and the process will start
[00:43] <orias_> you can choose options to narrow your search
[00:43] <chris4585> orias_, when it asks for a drive, is that where it wants to search or... destination? its not very clear
[00:43] <orias_> but for now if you want choose search, then ext3/3xt4 for file type
[00:43] <orias_> first choice is source
[00:44] <orias_> ie what you want to look through
[00:44] <chris4585> ok
[00:44] <orias_> tell me when your done
[00:44] <orias_> with that
[00:44] <chris4585> ah okay
[00:44] <orias_> at the ext screen yet?
[00:44] <chris4585> yes
[00:45] <orias_> choose ext2/ext3
[00:45] <orias_> new screen? with .
[00:45] <chris4585> ok
[00:45] <orias_> ..
[00:45] <orias_> bin
[00:45] <orias_> boot etc?
[00:45] <chris4585> its showing me ~/ on the livecd
[00:45] <chris4585> but yeah
[00:45] <orias_> choose ..
[00:45] <orias_> then go under media
[00:45] <orias_> and see if another drive is present
[00:46] <orias_> choose ..t all the files it finds.
[00:46] <orias_> choose wisely
[00:47] <orias_> this is where it will put all the files it finds.*
[00:47] <orias_> once you find your desired destination, press y to start the process
[00:49] <chris4585> hrm okay
[00:49] <orias> how goes it?
[00:50] <chris4585> I made a dir named RECOVERY on my external HDD, select that dir then hit y?
[00:50] <orias> yes
[00:50] <orias> then come back in 3 days
[00:50] <orias> :p
[00:50] <chris4585> interesting, so there's no way to narrow down what folder I want to recover?
[00:50] <orias> nope
[00:50] <orias> only thing you can use to narrow it down is file type
[00:50] <orias> ie
[00:50] <chris4585> ah okay, here goes nothing!
[00:50] <orias>  jpeg mp3 txt
[00:51] <orias> good luck! you did choose the right destination right ?
[00:51] <orias> 0.0
[00:51] <orias> just making sure :)
[00:51] <chris4585> yes
[00:51] <chris4585> on the external hdd..
[00:51] <orias> \0/
[00:51] <chris4585> lol
[00:51] <chris4585> orias, thanks for your help
[00:51] <orias> np
[00:51] <orias> what region of tn are you in?
[00:52] <chris4585> never done this before, hope I get what I want
[00:52] <orias> you'll get *everything*
[00:52] <chris4585> orias, well I moved 2.5yrs ago, but I lived in Kingston
[00:52] <orias> :)
[00:52] <orias> where at now?
[00:52] <chris4585> orias, right now I'm in Fl, above Tampa
[00:52] <orias> nice
[00:53] <chris4585> orias, will it really take 3 days? lol
[00:53] <orias> it depends on how big the drive is
[00:53] <orias> it scans from start to finish :)
[00:54] <chris4585> partition itself is 367gbs, and it probably only has 20gbs or so on it
[00:54] <orias> niceheh
[00:54] <orias> figure about 15 minutes for 8 gigs
[00:54] <orias> so....
[00:54] <orias> 11.5 hours/
[00:54] <orias> ?
[00:55] <chris4585> strange, it seems to be recovering files from my windows partition, is that normal?
[00:56] <orias> it'll get *everything*
[00:56] <orias> :)
[00:56] <chris4585> ok, its a bit strange how it recovers with the odd filenames, anyway it will sort this in the directories they were in?
[00:59] <orias> nope
[00:59] <orias> its like dumping out your desk into the bed of a truck
[00:59] <orias> :)
[00:59] <orias> but at least you get your stuff back :)
[00:59] <cyberanger> chris4585: sorry, that's what I get for stopping in the shop on a day off
[00:59] <cyberanger> drafted
[01:00] <orias> lol
[01:01] <cyberanger> orias: thanks, that was more or less the method I had in mind myself
[01:01] <cyberanger> (I usually use mutiple methods, redundancy never hurt a geek
[01:02] <cyberanger> after all)
[01:02] <orias> lol
[01:03] <cyberanger> orias: I did think it could be a little more selective, to at least a partition
[01:04] <chris4585> are there any methods that will retain file names?
[01:05] <chris4585> orias, recovery is complete o.O
[01:05] <cyberanger> chris4585: considering what happened, not really
[01:06] <cyberanger> the headers are altered, possibiltiy of more than that too
[01:06] <cyberanger> for the extra hassle, it's usually not worth it for mp3's or pictures
[01:07] <chris4585> hrm...
[01:07] <chris4585> it only recovered 511 mp3s, I expected about 2,500
[01:07] <cyberanger> becuase the ID3 tags should have data in them (and a tool can read the tags and sort them) and pictures usually being random anyhow (DSC1000X and such)
[01:07] <cyberanger> huh, odd
[01:08] <cyberanger> chris4585: is there still free space on the drive?
[01:09] <chris4585> cyberanger, there should be
[01:11] <chris4585> there we go... its getting more mp3s this time
[01:11] <chris4585> but that still doesn't save the id3 tags..
[01:12] <cyberanger> chris4585: really, no id3 tags
[01:12] <cyberanger> did you have id3 tags before
[01:12] <chris4585> yep
[01:12] <orias> well its better than a total loss
[01:12] <chris4585> is there some sort of special option for that.. ?
[01:13] <orias> did you soecify any file types?
[01:13] <chris4585> mp3s and brute force
[01:14] <cyberanger> not sure why it has no id3 tags now
[01:15] <chris4585> well if I had them, I could simply rename the files
[01:17] <cyberanger> well, this is progress though
[01:18] <cyberanger> orias: ever used foremost
[01:18] <cyberanger> ?
[01:34] <orias> nopr
[01:36] <orias> headed to the house... hope you find what you're looking for chris4585
[01:37] <chris4585> orias, thanks for the help
[02:38] <orias> i wonder how it turned out for Chris...
[02:43] <cyberanger> unusual for him to part channel
[02:43] <cyberanger> connection perhaps
[03:20] <chris4585> cyberanger, I think I have some very good news
[03:22] <orias> ?
[03:22] <orias> how'd it go?
[03:22]  * orias is thinking about moving to Debian
[03:22] <chris4585> I found a dir in /home named .ecryptfs/chris/.Private and it seems to be ~43gbs
[03:22] <chris4585> so I don't think its deleted, just encrypted..
[03:22] <chris4585> not quite sure how to get it unencrypted though
[03:22] <orias> encrypted home partition?
[03:22] <orias> sweet
[03:22] <chris4585> its whatever ubiquity did to it...
[03:23] <wrst> glad you got it going chris4585
[03:24] <chris4585> I'm very glad too... now to figure this encryption stuff out
[03:24]  * wrst is reading the backlogs
[03:36] <chris4585> this is very frustrating
[03:36] <orias> ?
[03:37] <chris4585> I don't know how to get my data unencrypted
[03:38] <orias> http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2010/09/26/accessing-your-encrypted-home-directory-in-ubuntu/
[03:39] <orias> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually
[03:40] <cyberanger> chris4585: ok, that's doable then
[03:40] <cyberanger> shame on it not asking, but that really really makes sense
[03:41] <cyberanger> and you might just need to login to it to unlock it (it's supposed to be tied to that and scripted)
[03:41] <cyberanger> orias: again, thanks for being speedier than me
[03:41] <orias> we're all here to help, in any way we can :)
[03:42] <cyberanger> orias: and about moving to Debian, it's my job to suggest otherwise, but that's gotten harder for me to try lately
[03:42] <orias> hah
[03:42] <wrst> orias: why considerng moving to debian?
[03:42] <orias> been thinking about crunchbang as well, but i dunno
[03:43] <cyberanger> since I've gotten more debian loyal than ubuntu now
[03:43] <orias> I want to keep learning
[03:43] <chris4585> this is giving me a headache
[03:43] <cyberanger> crunchbang is nice, I've made my own build like it off ubuntu
[03:43] <chris4585> I've tried: ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/.ecryptfs/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[03:43] <chris4585> but then it asks for a passphrase..
[03:43] <cyberanger> as has chris4585 (it's just openbox nitrogen conky & tint2 )
[03:43] <orias> didi you ever save the passphrase it generated during the orignal install?
[03:44] <orias> heh
[03:44] <cyberanger> orias: that assumes it did give it to him, which sounds highly unlikely
[03:44] <orias> :/
[03:44] <chris4585> orias, it was saved I believe
[03:44] <cyberanger> chris4585: did you try your username password there?
[03:44] <cyberanger> your login account
[03:45] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah no go
[03:45] <cyberanger> ugh
[03:45]  * cyberanger hands chris4585 a glass of vodka, raises a toast to the perfect and sometimes elusive upgrade
[03:45] <orias> which guide did you try to use?
[03:46] <orias> wanna go through he second guide step by step?
[03:46] <chris4585> right now I'm looking at this http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2010/09/26/accessing-your-encrypted-home-directory-in-ubuntu/
[03:46] <orias> try the one from ubuntu's help docs
[03:46] <orias> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually
[03:46] <cyberanger> chris4585: that one has better luck
[03:47] <chris4585> alright
[03:48] <cyberanger> chris4585: you'll need another step for that too
[03:48] <cyberanger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Mount%20Passphrase
[03:48] <cyberanger> to get the mount passphrase
[03:48] <cyberanger> shoot
[03:49] <chris4585> give me a few minutes
[03:49] <chris4585> agh, today has just been a big headache
[03:49] <cyberanger> chris4585: this should NOT work anyhow /home/.ecryptfs/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase should NOT exist
[03:50] <cyberanger> /home/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[03:50] <chris4585> cyberanger, I took the steps to do it correctly on my system
[03:50] <chris4585> I'm getting off the livecd and booting up..
[03:50] <cyberanger> ok
[03:51] <chris4585> this might have been my problem all along..
[03:51] <cyberanger> (just noticed though, that would explain ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase not working as expected)
[03:51] <chris4585> :/ got a kernel panic
[03:51] <chris4585> cyberanger, well I figured that, thats why I'm trying from the install..
[03:51] <chris4585> but looks like I might have to chroot..
[03:51] <cyberanger> how long till you get cable?
[03:52] <chris4585> cyberanger, about a week or so
[03:52] <cyberanger> ouch, was thinking if you could run live, backup everything now, everything clear at least (vs encrypted) and then come back to this with a netinstall
[03:52] <chris4585> cyberanger, would chrooting into my borked up system possibly yield results with ecrypt?
[03:53] <cyberanger> just nuke the issue
[03:53] <chris4585> the issue right now is I'm getting a kernel panic..
[03:54] <cyberanger> chroot from the live disc and try?
[03:54] <chris4585> yeah
[03:54] <cyberanger> could
[03:54] <chris4585> lets find out..
[03:54] <cyberanger> did ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase not work?
[03:55] <cyberanger> (note that is a different filepath than what you put above)
[03:56] <cyberanger> orias: I have never seen ubuntu write that mountprase to stout
[03:56] <cyberanger> so one could write that down
[03:57] <cyberanger> idk if that's ubuntu dumbing down or a bug (I'll settle for both)
[03:58] <orias> i remember the installer asking me to take note  of a long string, i sent it to myself to make sure
[04:02] <chris4585> I think my system is very borked
[04:02] <chris4585> apt-get: command not found
[04:02] <chris4585> :|
[04:05] <cyberanger> well, the usual idea is to take the path of least resistance (aka KISS)
[04:05] <cyberanger> and I do agree, back up what you can, reinstall
[04:05] <chris4585> yes, this is becoming a bit of a hassle
[04:06] <cyberanger> just a bit ;-)
[04:06] <chris4585> cyberanger, I have an idea, if the password is the same on a similar system could I copy the .ecryptfs dir to the similar system and try?
[04:07] <cyberanger> no, since the password should still be decrypting that file now
[04:07] <cyberanger> but did you get the right file, /home/user/.encryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[04:08] <chris4585> yes I have that file..
[04:08] <cyberanger> cause before you ran the command differently, to a nonexistent path
[04:08] <orias> keep fighting the good fight :)
[04:09] <cyberanger> if ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/username/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase doesn't work, sorta screwed
[04:10] <cyberanger> your login password unlocks that, which has the mount password to unlock the rest
[04:10] <cyberanger> a two step
[04:11] <chris4585> cyberanger, well I have the files, but they're on a borked system
[04:11] <cyberanger> and that's where this gets to be an issue, it's not system and files, and afaik, changing your password with a tool like passwd isn't enough in itself
[04:12] <cyberanger> well, backing them up doesn't hurt
[04:12] <cyberanger> just a matter of how borked they are, what they'll be good for
[05:01] <chris4585> I'll let you guys know if I get something going.. right now I'm going to install 10.10 on the same system to do some repairage
[08:02] <chris4585> I think I'm getting somewhere
[08:05] <cyberanger> chris4585: at three hours I'll let you tell me if that's good or bad
[08:06] <chris4585> cyberanger, lol well I think I have everything I need.. its a bit confusing though
[08:06] <chris4585> fallowing that guide, all I'm able to do is mount my .Private encrypted folder somewhere else, and its not un-encrypted then..
[08:06] <chris4585> I'm trying to figure this out
[08:07] <cyberanger> well, we're here to help, just so long as you don't cut the blue wire, we'll be good
[08:07] <cyberanger> ;-)
[08:07] <chris4585> cyberanger, it took 3hrs to install a fresh ubuntu on my desktop :P
[08:08] <chris4585> partitioning this drive takes a while
[08:09] <cyberanger> ouch
[08:11] <chris4585> it seems I'm not having an issue with the passphrases but its not decrypting anything :/
[08:13] <cyberanger> so you have your mount passphrase, used it to mount the encrypted folder, and nada
[08:13] <cyberanger> ?
[08:13] <chris4585> yeah it mounts, but not decrypts..
[08:14] <chris4585> that is what appears to be happening
[08:21] <cyberanger> chris4585: chance there is nothing to decrypt
[08:21] <cyberanger> nuked home, then created encrypted home
[08:22] <cyberanger> or copied home, created encrypted home, snafu goes here
[08:23] <chris4585> cyberanger, that doesn't explain the ~40gbs the .Private folder is showing
[08:31] <chris4585> darn, looks like I"m going to have to resize this partition..
[08:31] <chris4585> fun
[08:31] <chris4585> bbiab
[08:38] <chris4585> setting up the partitions will take all night, I might as well sleep
[14:47] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[15:39] <vychune> o/
[20:19] <cyberanger> wrst: might I ask a favor
[20:20] <wrst> sure cyberanger
[20:20] <wrst> what can i do for you?
[20:20] <cyberanger> I might not be at tommorow's meeting, celbrating a birthday a day late
[20:21] <cyberanger> if I'm not, and nobody gets the memo (email to the list, typing it now) let them know
[20:28] <wrst> ok need me to send an email cyberanger?
[20:30] <cyberanger> no, just if your at the meeting, or anyone else that's briefed (which should be everyone on the list, you and our leaders seperate) and someone wonders, let them know
[20:30] <cyberanger> I'm getting us an adgenda for once
[20:30]  * cyberanger hasn't been the best leader on matters of documentation