[11:26] Dear gods, our mail notification system is utterly arcane. [11:27] I feel like reimplementing it in Haskell just to make it make sense. [11:32] heh, surprise-surprise [11:33] if you said something like "reimplementing it in brainfuck to make it make sense", *then* I'd be worried :) [12:53] benji, hi. I was just thinking about your proposed wording. I don't feel fantastic, but better than I did yesterday afternoon anyway, so maybe my head is a bit clearer. My concern is that we need to convey that we are not stopping *all* emails from the team subscription, but *your* emails from the team subscriptions. [12:53] "Stop emails from this subscription" does not convey this to me--it is ambiguous/confusing. "Do not receive emails from this subscription" conveys the right message to me. [12:53] Perhaps your version could be adjusted to accommodate this concern. "Stop your emails from this subscription" might be OK. [12:55] yeah, I had the same thought but figured context was enough to clarify; I'll add the "your" in there. [13:10] benji, gary_poster: If we're at all unclear about fuzzy wording I usually find mrevell to be good sounding board. [13:11] gmb, agreed. [13:25] bac, benji, danilos, gmb: please check over your kanban. call soon. [13:26] Ok [13:27] ack [13:27] gary_poster: are comments on cards readily visible to you? [13:28] benji, no. if comments are important, maybe mention it in title ("see comments") [13:28] they're not at the moment, but it seemed like a good place to put micro status updates [13:29] ack [13:30] it would be nice if there were a chronological log of board activity that one could read to see what's happened lately [13:30] gary_poster, my mic has stopped working as well (I did play with settings this morning, loaded/unloaded kernel modules, so this time, a reboot *should* help) [13:30] * danilos goes for a reboot [13:30] ok [13:32] * gary_poster waiting for danilos, in case anyone is wondering [13:32] benji, there's an email interface...there's also supposed to be an RSS interface but I can't get it working yet, after seconds of trying. See the Options tab. [13:32] gary_poster: oh, there is a log: http://launchpad.leankitkanban.com/Boards/History/14028610 [13:33] but it doesn't seem to inlcude comments [13:35] gary_poster, ready [13:37] sorry i'm muted and can't get it back [13:37] gary_poster: ^^ [13:40] I can hear you guys [13:40] gary_poster, ^ [13:41] gary_poster, tests branch is getting up for review RSN, I'll be going on to descriptions stuff [13:41] gary_poster, it seems to be only volume related now :) [13:42] gary_poster, also, QA for "Add a subscriber" link is done, but that's obvious on the board I suppose, it also landed on both devel/db-devel which I assume you've seen as well :) [13:43] byeeeee :) [13:45] :-) [13:45] danilos, we never actually heard your voice [13:45] is that because when you turned your mic on and all our ears turned to jelly from the sound of the ocean you decided not to talk? [13:46] or because the mic is broken? [13:46] gary_poster, the "vumeter" in sound preferences seemed to pick it up correctly, but just the ocean was going the other way through skype I suppose :) [13:46] yeah, as far as we could tell :-) [13:55] gary_poster, ok, figured out the problem, the new headset mic has an on-off button that I left at off, skype test call sounds pretty good now [13:56] awesome danilos. Is this the new-new more expensive headset, or the merely-new cheaper headset? [13:57] gary_poster, the cheaper one, I never heard back from the guys where I ordered the more expensive one (it's probably the usual Serbian thing: they list it on the web site, but never actually stock it) [13:57] :-/ [13:57] but good news that the cheaper one is working :-) [13:57] so, I'll probably have to drop by a few stores to pick one up [13:58] k [13:58] gary_poster, heh, well, it's still a combination, headphone out is not working yet (apparently, one has to set a custom option for snd-hda-intel module, but the first attempt didn't work so I gave up on that :) [13:58] heh [13:59] ...so you are still motivated to get a replacement. gotcha. :-) [13:59] yeah [14:27] Wow: OSError: Could not allocate memory [14:27] Could be something to do with the 22 librarian instances hanging around for no good reason. [14:31] heh [14:31] gmb, Skype whenever you are ready. [14:32] gary_poster: Sure. Just give me a sec... [14:32] cool [15:08] https://staging.launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscriptions [15:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haveged/+bug/569369 [15:10] <_mup_> Bug #569369: package haveged 0.9-1 failed to install/upgrade: podproces instalovaný post-installation skript vrátil chybový status 1

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/569369 > [15:11] benji: didn't you do the work for bug 742490 already? [15:11] <_mup_> Bug #742490: HTML is constructed using string concatenation in the structural subscription JS. < https://launchpad.net/bugs/742490 > [15:11] looking [15:12] bac: yep, it had an ec2 land failure that I'm investigating today [15:14] benji: ok, i was just wondering as there is a card in the backlog [15:15] bac: I wasn't aware of that one; I'll move it to the right place. [15:16] thanks [15:22] gary_poster, in our call, we can discuss next steps for the descriptions stuff [15:22] yay! :-) [15:32] gary_poster, ready when you are (if it's the call time) [15:32] it is, was finishing email 1 sec [15:56] BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications [15:56] https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/DirectSubscriptionsOnBug [16:29] benji, you won't be able to land your branch as you list it [16:29] lp:~gary/launchpad/muteteamsub-ui is on db-devel [16:29] and you want to land on devel [16:29] maybe you already handled that [16:29] I didn't read the cover letter, sorry [16:29] yeah, I figured that out; I think I can retarget to devel relatively easily [16:30] I'm not sure what your plan is, but plans that I would come up with would probably require me to merge with db-devel to resolve conflicts [16:31] I won't worry about it now, though, since you are aware of it :-) [16:43] gary_poster: ok, my idea didn't work; it's a trainwreck; taking lunch now and I'll ask about other options afterward [16:44] benji, ok :-) === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [16:55] * gmb -> nipping to the post office. back shortly [17:03] hi benji, i was looking at bug 750568 you reported about the tags entry being to big. [17:03] <_mup_> Bug #750568: Tags text box is very wide on the subscription add/edit overlay/ < https://launchpad.net/bugs/750568 > [17:03] benji: i've looked at safari, ff on os x, and ff on ubuntu and i don't see anything obviously wrong [17:04] do you still see the problem or am i on the wrong track? [17:44] bac: Firefox 4: http://i.imgur.com/1MBpV.png [17:44] that's on prod [17:46] benji, it must be FF4 on ubuntu -- a combination i haven't tried [17:46] ff4 on os x doesn't show the problem [17:46] but, heck [17:46] i'll bring in the size of the text box a bit [17:47] browsers hate us [17:47] i've been reluctant to upgrade to ff4 since deryck said windmill has problems with it [17:47] i'll try on another machine [18:11] gary_poster: if I elect to merge into lp:launchpad/db-devel I don't get any conflicts; is that an OK thing to do? [18:11] benji, no [18:11] darn [18:12] well, I need to load context again, but I don't think so [18:12] gary_poster: MP in question: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/add-edit-tests/+merge/56806 [18:12] benji, let's say "very much not ideal but acceptable in dire straits" [18:12] but I don't think these are dire straits [18:13] here's what I suggest [18:13] heh [18:13] make a branch of just the parts of what I did that really should have landed on devel [18:14] merge that into devel. Out of paranoia, I would suggest that you also merge into db-devel and land, because otherwise bzr might get confused. [18:14] make your branch dependeny on that other branch [18:14] land it [18:15] mm [18:15] you may need to get a patch of your branch and land it [18:15] ignoring your current branch [18:15] I understand that's annoying but that's probably what I would do [18:15] that (the patch bit) wouldn't be hard [18:16] If I were to think that it was super annoying, what would I do... [18:16] can you elaborate on what "merge that into devel" means? Is that outside of the normal landing mechanism? [18:16] no, normal [18:16] my UI branch includes db patches [18:17] from a dependency [18:17] oh; and since the same changes have been made to devel and db-devel when they're merged they'll combine happily (i.e., they won't conflict) [18:17] so you really can't land a branch that directly bases itself [18:17] right [18:17] gary_poster: Do you have time for a quick call about bug 424849? [18:17] <_mup_> Bug #424849: Launchpad should batch attachment notification emails

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/424849 > [18:17] sure gmb. 1 sec [18:17] Cool. [18:17] ok; I'll start on generating a non-DB parts branch of lp:~gary/launchpad/muteteamsub-ui [18:18] benji, not just non-DB but non-mute [18:18] you only want the test refactoring bits [18:18] ah, ok [18:18] that should make it easier [18:18] otherwise things would be nasty, I suspect [18:18] the test refactorings were quite good, by the way [18:19] cool, thanks benji [18:19] gmb, here [18:19] gary_poster: Cool. Skype? [18:19] Skype version of here [18:19] yeah :-) [18:33] gary_poster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/31586 [18:33] <_mup_> Bug #31586: Malone comments are sent in email and forge the address of the person who filed them

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/31586 > [19:31] bac, ready on Skype whenever you are. no rush. [19:31] gary_poster: dial at will [19:58] gary_poster: do you want to review the "copy db-devel refactorings to devel" branch? The code itself has been reviewed already of course, but I just want a double-check that it makes sense [19:59] sure, benji. [19:59] where do I sign up? :-) [19:59] I've already verified that the patch that contains my new tests applies cleanly to the branch and they all pass. [19:59] awesome [19:59] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/ss-test-refactorings/+merge/56826 [20:01] benji, line 96 does not look familiar (doesn't mean I think it's bad, just don't know what it does)...(still looking) [20:01] * benji looks [20:02] hmm, not there but in another place that line got duplicated somehow [20:03] line 154 seems to dupe the line before it [20:03] (154 of diff) [20:04] 179 also [20:04] benji ^^^ those three things. other than that, looks good to me [20:04] gary_poster: fixed and pushed [20:04] cool [20:06] benji, I approved in anticipation of the diff, which has not yet showed up :-) [20:06] so trusting [20:08] :-) [20:21] gary_poster: the fix i landed for bug 751397 is an improvement but is not sufficient. [20:21] <_mup_> Bug #751397: Structural subscription overlay sometimes rendering incorrectly on the page not as an overlay < https://launchpad.net/bugs/751397 > [20:22] bac, ...for another problem? [20:22] gary_poster: it does no harm but isn't a complete solution. i'd like to make it as qa-ok so that it does not have to be reverted and then fix it completely in a follow-up [20:22] bac, +1 [20:22] thx [20:22] make a new bug, and make this bug address what you fixed, maybe? [20:22] yeah. [21:02] benji, finishing an email, with you in a sec [21:02] k [21:09] gary_poster: i'm going to be offline for a while but will continue working the bug i just filed [21:09] cool bac [22:37] night all