[11:26] <gmb> Dear gods, our mail notification system is utterly arcane.
[11:27] <gmb> I feel like reimplementing it in Haskell just to make it make sense.
[11:32] <danilos> heh, surprise-surprise
[11:33] <danilos> if you said something like "reimplementing it in brainfuck to make it make sense", *then* I'd be worried :)
[12:53] <gary_poster> benji, hi.  I was just thinking about your proposed wording.  I don't feel fantastic, but better than I did yesterday afternoon anyway, so maybe my head is a bit clearer.  My concern is that we need to convey that we are not stopping *all* emails from the team subscription, but *your* emails from the team subscriptions.
[12:53] <gary_poster> "Stop emails from this subscription" does not convey this to me--it is ambiguous/confusing.  "Do not receive emails from this subscription" conveys the right message to me.
[12:53] <gary_poster> Perhaps your version could be adjusted to accommodate this concern.  "Stop your emails from this subscription" might be OK.
[12:55] <benji> yeah, I had the same thought but figured context was enough to clarify; I'll add the "your" in there.
[13:10] <gmb> benji, gary_poster: If we're at all unclear about fuzzy wording I usually find mrevell to be good sounding board.
[13:11] <gary_poster> gmb, agreed.
[13:25] <gary_poster> bac, benji, danilos, gmb: please check over your kanban.  call soon.
[13:26] <gmb> Ok
[13:27] <danilos> ack
[13:27] <benji> gary_poster: are comments on cards readily visible to you?
[13:28] <gary_poster> benji, no.  if comments are important, maybe mention it in title ("see comments")
[13:28] <benji> they're not at the moment, but it seemed like a good place to put micro status updates
[13:29] <gary_poster> ack
[13:30] <benji> it would be nice if there were a chronological log of board activity that one could read to see what's happened lately
[13:30] <danilos> gary_poster, my mic has stopped working as well (I did play with settings this morning, loaded/unloaded kernel modules, so this time, a reboot *should* help)
[13:30]  * danilos goes for a reboot
[13:30] <gary_poster> ok
[13:32]  * gary_poster waiting for danilos, in case anyone is wondering
[13:32] <gary_poster> benji, there's an email interface...there's also supposed to be an RSS interface but I can't get it working yet, after seconds of trying.  See the Options tab.
[13:32] <benji> gary_poster: oh, there is a log: http://launchpad.leankitkanban.com/Boards/History/14028610
[13:33] <benji> but it doesn't seem to inlcude comments
[13:35] <danilos> gary_poster, ready
[13:37] <bac> sorry i'm muted and can't get it back
[13:37] <bac> gary_poster: ^^
[13:40] <danilos> I can hear you guys
[13:40] <danilos> gary_poster, ^
[13:41] <danilos> gary_poster, tests branch is getting up for review RSN, I'll be going on to descriptions stuff
[13:41] <danilos> gary_poster, it seems to be only volume related now :)
[13:42] <danilos> gary_poster, also, QA for "Add a subscriber" link is done, but that's obvious on the board I suppose, it also landed on both devel/db-devel which I assume you've seen as well :)
[13:43] <danilos> byeeeee :)
[13:45] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:45] <gary_poster> danilos, we never actually heard your voice
[13:45] <gary_poster> is that because when you turned your mic on and all our ears turned to jelly from the sound of the ocean you decided not to talk?
[13:46] <gary_poster> or because the mic is broken?
[13:46] <danilos> gary_poster, the "vumeter" in sound preferences seemed to pick it up correctly, but just the ocean was going the other way through skype I suppose :)
[13:46] <gary_poster> yeah, as far as we could tell :-)
[13:55] <danilos> gary_poster, ok, figured out the problem, the new headset mic has an on-off button that I left at off, skype test call sounds pretty good now
[13:56] <gary_poster> awesome danilos.  Is this the new-new more expensive headset, or the merely-new cheaper headset?
[13:57] <danilos> gary_poster, the cheaper one, I never heard back from the guys where I ordered the more expensive one (it's probably the usual Serbian thing: they list it on the web site, but never actually stock it)
[13:57] <gary_poster> :-/
[13:57] <gary_poster> but good news that the cheaper one is working :-)
[13:57] <danilos> so, I'll probably have to drop by a few stores to pick one up
[13:58] <gary_poster> k
[13:58] <danilos> gary_poster, heh, well, it's still a combination, headphone out is not working yet (apparently, one has to set a custom option for snd-hda-intel module, but the first attempt didn't work so I gave up on that :)
[13:58] <gary_poster> heh
[13:59] <gary_poster> ...so you are still motivated to get a replacement.  gotcha. :-)
[13:59] <danilos> yeah
[14:27] <gmb> Wow: OSError: Could not allocate memory
[14:27] <gmb> Could be something to do with the 22 librarian instances hanging around for no good reason.
[14:31] <gary_poster> heh
[14:31] <gary_poster> gmb, Skype whenever you are ready.
[14:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Sure. Just give me a sec...
[14:32] <gary_poster> cool
[15:08] <gary_poster> https://staging.launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscriptions
[15:10] <gmb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haveged/+bug/569369
[15:10] <_mup_> Bug #569369: package haveged 0.9-1 failed to install/upgrade: podproces instalovaný post-installation skript vrátil chybový status 1 <apport-package> <i386> <lucid> <pkg-auto-install-tester> <haveged (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <haveged (Debian):Unknown> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/569369 >
[15:11] <bac> benji: didn't you do the work for bug 742490 already?
[15:11] <_mup_> Bug #742490: HTML is constructed using string concatenation in the structural subscription JS. <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/742490 >
[15:11] <benji> looking
[15:12] <benji> bac: yep, it had an ec2 land failure that I'm investigating today
[15:14] <bac> benji: ok, i was just wondering as there is a card in the backlog
[15:15] <benji> bac: I wasn't aware of that one; I'll move it to the right place.
[15:16] <benji> thanks
[15:22] <danilos> gary_poster, in our call, we can discuss next steps for the descriptions stuff
[15:22] <gary_poster> yay! :-)
[15:32] <danilos> gary_poster, ready when you are (if it's the call time)
[15:32] <gary_poster> it is, was finishing email 1 sec
[15:56] <gary_poster> BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications
[15:56] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/DirectSubscriptionsOnBug
[16:29] <gary_poster> benji, you won't be able to land your branch as you list it
[16:29] <gary_poster> lp:~gary/launchpad/muteteamsub-ui is on db-devel
[16:29] <gary_poster> and you want to land on devel
[16:29] <gary_poster> maybe you already handled that
[16:29] <gary_poster> I didn't read the cover letter, sorry
[16:29] <benji> yeah, I figured that out; I think I can retarget to devel relatively easily
[16:30] <gary_poster> I'm not sure what your plan is, but plans that I would come up with would probably require me to merge with db-devel to resolve conflicts
[16:31] <gary_poster> I won't worry about it now, though, since you are aware of it :-)
[16:43] <benji> gary_poster: ok, my idea didn't work; it's a trainwreck; taking lunch now and I'll ask about other options afterward
[16:44] <gary_poster> benji, ok :-)
[16:55]  * gmb -> nipping to the post office. back shortly
[17:03] <bac> hi benji, i was looking at bug 750568 you reported about the tags entry being to big.
[17:03] <_mup_> Bug #750568: Tags text box is very wide on the subscription add/edit overlay/ <story-better-bug-notification> <Bugzilla Launchpad Plugin:Invalid> <Launchpad itself:Confirmed for bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/750568 >
[17:03] <bac> benji: i've looked at safari, ff on os x, and ff on ubuntu and i don't see anything obviously wrong
[17:04] <bac> do you still see the problem or am i on the wrong track?
[17:44] <benji> bac: Firefox 4: http://i.imgur.com/1MBpV.png
[17:44] <benji> that's on prod
[17:46] <bac> benji, it must be FF4 on ubuntu -- a combination i haven't tried
[17:46] <bac> ff4 on os x doesn't show the problem
[17:46] <bac> but, heck
[17:46] <bac> i'll bring in the size of the text box a bit
[17:47] <benji> browsers hate us
[17:47] <bac> i've been reluctant to upgrade to ff4 since deryck said windmill has problems with it
[17:47] <bac> i'll try on another machine
[18:11] <benji> gary_poster: if I elect to merge into lp:launchpad/db-devel I don't get any conflicts; is that an OK thing to do?
[18:11] <gary_poster> benji, no
[18:11] <benji> darn
[18:12] <gary_poster> well, I need to load context again, but I don't think so
[18:12] <benji> gary_poster: MP in question: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/add-edit-tests/+merge/56806
[18:12] <gary_poster> benji, let's say "very much not ideal but acceptable in dire straits"
[18:12] <gary_poster> but I don't think these are dire straits
[18:13] <gary_poster> here's what I suggest
[18:13] <benji> heh
[18:13] <gary_poster> make a branch of just the parts of what I did that really should have landed on devel
[18:14] <gary_poster> merge that into devel.  Out of paranoia, I would suggest that you also merge into db-devel and land, because otherwise bzr might get confused.
[18:14] <gary_poster> make your branch dependeny on that other branch
[18:14] <gary_poster> land it
[18:15] <gary_poster> mm
[18:15] <gary_poster> you may need to get a patch of your branch and land it
[18:15] <gary_poster> ignoring your current branch
[18:15] <gary_poster> I understand that's annoying but that's probably what I would do
[18:15] <benji> that (the patch bit)  wouldn't be hard
[18:16] <gary_poster> If I were to think that it was super annoying, what would I do...
[18:16] <benji> can you elaborate on what "merge that into devel" means?  Is that outside of the normal landing mechanism?
[18:16] <gary_poster> no, normal
[18:16] <gary_poster> my UI branch includes db patches
[18:17] <gary_poster> from a dependency
[18:17] <benji> oh; and since the same changes have been made to devel and db-devel when they're merged they'll combine happily (i.e., they won't conflict)
[18:17] <gary_poster> so you really can't land a branch that directly bases itself
[18:17] <gary_poster> right
[18:17] <gmb> gary_poster: Do you have time for a quick call about bug 424849?
[18:17] <_mup_> Bug #424849: Launchpad should batch attachment notification emails <lp-bugs> <story-better-bug-notification> <story-better-notification-sending> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by gmb> <apport (Ubuntu):Invalid> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/424849 >
[18:17] <gary_poster> sure gmb.  1 sec
[18:17] <gmb> Cool.
[18:17] <benji> ok; I'll start on generating a non-DB parts branch of lp:~gary/launchpad/muteteamsub-ui
[18:18] <gary_poster> benji, not just non-DB but non-mute
[18:18] <gary_poster> you only want the test refactoring bits
[18:18] <benji> ah, ok
[18:18] <benji> that should make it easier
[18:18] <gary_poster> otherwise things would be nasty, I suspect
[18:18] <benji> the test refactorings were quite good, by the way
[18:19] <gary_poster> cool, thanks benji
[18:19] <gary_poster> gmb, here
[18:19] <gmb> gary_poster: Cool. Skype?
[18:19] <gary_poster> Skype version of here
[18:19] <gary_poster> yeah :-)
[18:33] <gmb> gary_poster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/31586
[18:33] <_mup_> Bug #31586: Malone comments are sent in email and forge the address of the person who filed them <email> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/31586 >
[19:31] <gary_poster> bac, ready on Skype whenever you are. no rush.
[19:31] <bac> gary_poster: dial at will
[19:58] <benji> gary_poster: do you want to review the "copy db-devel refactorings to devel" branch?  The code itself has been reviewed already of course, but I just want a double-check that it makes sense
[19:59] <gary_poster> sure, benji.
[19:59] <gary_poster> where do I sign up? :-)
[19:59] <benji> I've already verified that the patch that contains my new tests applies cleanly to the branch and they all pass.
[19:59] <gary_poster> awesome
[19:59] <benji> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/ss-test-refactorings/+merge/56826
[20:01] <gary_poster> benji, line 96 does not look familiar (doesn't mean I think it's bad, just don't know what it does)...(still looking)
[20:01]  * benji looks
[20:02] <benji> hmm, not there but in another place that line got duplicated somehow
[20:03] <gary_poster> line 154 seems to dupe the line before it
[20:03] <gary_poster> (154 of diff)
[20:04] <gary_poster> 179 also
[20:04] <gary_poster> benji ^^^ those three things.  other than that, looks good to me
[20:04] <benji> gary_poster: fixed and pushed
[20:04] <gary_poster> cool
[20:06] <gary_poster> benji, I approved in anticipation of the diff, which has not yet showed up :-)
[20:06] <benji> so trusting
[20:08] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:21] <bac> gary_poster: the fix i landed for bug 751397 is an improvement but is not sufficient.
[20:21] <_mup_> Bug #751397: Structural subscription overlay sometimes rendering incorrectly on the page not as an overlay <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/751397 >
[20:22] <gary_poster> bac, ...for another problem?
[20:22] <bac> gary_poster: it does no harm but isn't a complete solution.  i'd like to make it as qa-ok so that it does not have to be reverted and then fix it completely in a follow-up
[20:22] <gary_poster> bac, +1
[20:22] <bac> thx
[20:22] <gary_poster> make a new bug, and make this bug address what you fixed, maybe?
[20:22] <bac> yeah.
[21:02] <gary_poster> benji, finishing an email, with you in a sec
[21:02] <benji> k
[21:09] <bac> gary_poster: i'm going to be offline for a while but will continue working the bug i just filed
[21:09] <gary_poster> cool bac
[22:37] <gary_poster> night all