[00:02] <delac> hmm, changing compiz plugins seems to still crash it.
[00:03] <ninjai> yep
[00:03] <ninjai> it does for me too
[00:03] <ninjai> then it relaunches :P
[00:03] <ninjai> with the compiz plugin enabled
[00:03] <ninjai> so weir
[00:03] <ninjai> d
[00:03] <jiohdi> iceWM theme changes crash it too... but it lets docky work... so its some new fangled compositor
[00:03] <delac> yes, there's some kind of fallback mechanism there too
[00:04] <h00k> So, pardon if this discussion has already happened  -are there sudden known issues with the nvidia driver?
[00:05] <bjsnider> no
[00:05] <h00k> suddenly, it won't detect anything with HDMI out
[00:05] <jiohdi> could be, I am using nvidia
[00:05] <h00k> also, when I switch wallpapers, my screen rapidly flickers
[00:05] <h00k> I dualscreen with another monitor attached to my  HDMI port, suddenly HDMI isn't working :(
[00:06] <ninjai> h00k, none experienced here
[00:06] <ninjai> h00k, i'm dual screen too, but using vga/dvi
[00:06] <h00k> I just removed the proprietary drivers, I'm goig to reboot and see what happens.
[00:06] <ninjai> h00k, I had to go into nvidia-settings and enable my second monitor
[00:06] <ninjai> FYI
[00:11] <GatunoRox> hello
[00:11] <GatunoRox> is somebody free enough to give me support without bothering you people?
[00:12] <ninjai> you are bothering me
[00:12] <ninjai> just kidding
[00:12] <ninjai> what do you need
[00:12] <ninjai> ig2g in like 10 mins
[00:12] <GatunoRox> here's the thing
[00:13] <GatunoRox> I installed 11.04 on a 640GB USB HDD, withouth no internal drive to be sure grub wouldn't sneak into them
[00:13] <magevideo> can anyone help me get my sound detected as surround sound instead of stereo?  sound card alc660, motherboard m2v
[00:14] <GatunoRox> yet when I try to boot on others computers I get black screen with type cursor flashing forever or Grub rescue
[00:14] <h00k> ninjai: Yeah, that's where it *was* working, and I checked there, but when I go to 'detect,' it doesn't pick it up.
[00:14] <h00k> ninjai: I've verified the monitor works
[00:15] <h00k> In addition, I removed the nvidia driver, and now I can't get back to GDM ;)
[00:15] <h00k> In addition, I removed the nvidia driver, and now I can't get back to GDM ;)
[00:15] <ninjai> h00k, reinstall the nvidia driver, drag around the monitor in nvidia-settings, sometimes they overlap :S
[00:16] <ninjai> i would suggest (if you didn't download the propreitary driver) you download the nvidia drive from their website using links
[00:16] <ninjai> at the cli
[00:17] <GatunoRox> ninja1: any suggestion?
[00:18] <ninjai> GatunoRox, I've never personally done a setup liek that, but I would suggest that (if the cmoputer supports it) you change the boot device using quickboot (usually an F key at boot)/bios to select booting from USB device.
[00:18] <ninjai> that should od it
[00:18] <ninjai> *do it
[00:18] <GatunoRox> I did
[00:19] <GatunoRox> it gave the boot recovery, blanck screen
[00:19] <GatunoRox> on the pc i used to install it boots fine
[00:20] <roothorick> apparently the Core 1 series wasn't 64bit. Gah! Now I have to download a different ISO.
[00:20] <h00k> ninjai: for...testing purposes? (to grab it straight from nvidia and not the repos)
[00:22] <delac> oh, it seems gnome3 is officially released. I thought they would release nearer end of the month.
[00:23] <jiohdi> anything special about gnome3?
[00:23] <h00k> lots!
[00:23] <jiohdi> lighter or heavier?
[00:24] <delac> I heard it would be heavier. At least according to one review...
[00:24] <h00k> jiohdi: check it: http://www.gnome3.org/
[00:24] <delac> any good tutorials for installing?
[00:28] <h00k> So, now that I've reinstalled nvidia-current, GDM doesn't come up yet.
[00:29] <h00k> I still am left with a flashing cursor. Do I need to dpkg-reconfigure anything other than xorg, gdm?
[00:29] <yofel> did jockey create the xorg.conf properly?
[00:30] <h00k> I didn't use jockey, I had to do it from a netroot session
[00:30] <yofel> k, did you run nvidia-xconfig then?
[00:31] <yofel> or manually create xorg.conf? (those are pretty much the choices you have)
[00:31] <h00k> yofel: what package is nvidia-xconfig in, do you know?
[00:32] <yofel> the driver package, so if you have nvidia-current installed nvidia-xconfig should be there
[00:33] <h00k> negative, ghostrider. trying something, standby.
[00:33] <h00k> I used low-graphics mode, created a new config based on my hardware automagically.
[00:33] <h00k> I don't remember offhand how to configure my own xorg anymore, I haven't had to for a few releases ;)
[00:34] <yofel> ah, then you still need to set Driver "nvidia" though there
[00:34] <h00k> failsafe, then jockey? Yeah...let me try.
[00:34] <yofel> well, you can run jockey-text from cli too
[00:35] <h00k> oh, i forget about that, too. Yeah
[00:35] <h00k> I forget my fu when stuff 'just works' ;)
[00:36] <yofel> heh
[00:36] <h00k> yofel: jockey-text just said "Additional drivers" | newline | "Searching for available drivers..." and dropped me back to a prompt
[00:37] <h00k> as if there aren't any
[00:39] <coz_>  good day all
[00:40] <h00k> yofel: oho! removed existing xorg.confs, which apparently I had one.
[00:42] <bjsnider> yofel, he can do jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[00:44] <h00k> bjsnider: thanks, I managed to get it set through failsafeX, and jockey-gtk
[00:45] <h00k> except it still isn't detecting anything on my HDMI port
[00:46] <bjsnider> h00k, tell nvidia about that. remember, all of the shared libs and the kernel module come _pre-built_, we merely put them where they belong. if the code isn't working nvidia has to fix it
[00:46] <h00k> bjsnider: yeah, and this is something that just happend (yesterday)
[00:46] <yofel> hm, didn't know about -e yet
[00:47] <h00k> I didn't either, I didn't see a man page about jockey or jockey-text
[00:48] <yofel> don't seem to have one, jockey-text --help tells you about it though
[00:48] <h00k> ah, I guess I should have tried --help.
[00:48] <h00k> oh well. I'll check out experimental support, not nvidia.
[00:50] <bjsnider> h00k, this is likely a xorg.conf option that you need to enable. check out the nvforums linux site
[00:50] <h00k> bjsnider: Probably, just interesting that I didn't have to futz with xorg to do this before.
[00:50] <bjsnider> before what?
[00:51] <bjsnider> before you upgraded to natty?
[00:51] <h00k> bjsnider: before...yesterday.
[00:51] <h00k> bjsnider: I've been on Natty since toolkit dropped.
[00:51] <h00k> bjsnider: I haven't had to futs with xorg manually in like...2 or 3 releases.
[00:51] <bjsnider> futz
[00:51] <h00k> that too ;)
[00:51] <h00k> futz, mess, screw around, etc.
[00:52] <h00k> Fresh install -> install nvidia driver -> open nvidia-settings, detect displays, set up dualscreen, quit
[00:53] <bjsnider> h00k, you should post a bug on launchpad against nvidia-current, and also on nvforums
[00:53] <h00k> bjsnider: yeah, I will.
[00:58] <mns`> will btrfs be the default fs in natty?
[01:01] <digitalfiz> i hope not
[01:01] <digitalfiz> it doesnt even have a fsck tool yet
[01:02] <mns`> hum, thanks
[01:05] <psusi> so umm... why are the non ppc daily-live images missing?
[01:05] <yofel> failed to build maybe?
[01:07] <yofel> psusi: here's the log if you want to look http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/natty/daily-live-20110406.1.log
[01:10] <yofel> hm, yeah, failed to build:
[01:10] <yofel> mv: cannot stat `/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu/daily-live/tmp/natty-amd64/CD1/casper/filesystem.kernel-generic': No such file or directory
[01:10] <yofel> make: *** [/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu/daily-live/tmp/natty-amd64/bootable-stamp] Error 1
[01:10] <yofel> ERROR WHILE BUILDING OFFICIAL IMAGES !!
[01:11] <psusi> doh
[01:16] <h00k> bjsnider, yofel: nvidia driver success. Fix: Unplug HDMI cable. Plug in HDMI cable.
[01:17] <h00k> ...which I had done.
[01:17] <h00k> Anyway, it's working.
[01:18] <heslam> hey guys. i think i've found a unity bug, and i was hoping to see if any of you guys could duplicate it before i file a bug report? just so i know i'm not going insane
[01:19] <heslam> okay, so the sidebar is set to dodge active window which works absolutely fine UNTIL you do something like this
[01:20] <heslam> bring up firefox, maximised so the sidebar dodges firefox out of the way
[01:20] <heslam> then start up nautilus, again, maximised
[01:21] <heslam> then move your mouse to the top left of the screen so the unity bar appears, and quickly close nautilus BEFORE the unity bar can hide
[01:21] <heslam> you should be left with firefox, maximised, with the unity side bar still in place - not dodging away, not seemingly recognising that firefox is now the "active" windnow
[01:22] <heslam> even clicking firefox doesn't cause the unity sidebar to get its act together
[01:22] <digitalfiz> it still dodges for me
[01:22] <bjsnider> h00k, that's a highly technical process
[01:23] <digitalfiz> i cant repo heslam :/
[01:24] <blocky> after upgrading from 10.10, I login and get the wallpaper and the panel along the top, and a notification bubble that I have connected to wifi, but then everything freezes and all I can do is move the mouse
[01:24] <heslam> digitalfiz: really? i'll take your word for it that you're getting it exactly right (closing nautilus before the bar can hide)... the other variable is that it has to be firefox that is "next in line" to appear, not say, your irc client (if i have irssi in the terminal as the next thing to show up, it works perfectly)
[01:24] <blocky> using geforce 7300 mobile
[01:25] <heslam> digitalfiz: i'll keep experimenting. the other possible problems is that i'm using a high DPI (150) as i'm running unity on my lowish res HD TV.
[01:26] <heslam> digitalfiz: it causes some other problems with unity that i should probably bug report (the dash icons are lopsided and uncentred), so who knows what other problems it might be causing
[01:27] <blocky> logging in with ubuntu classic gives me top and bottom panels but same non-reponsive desktop, and ubuntu classic (no effects) loads up just fine
[01:27] <blocky> so I'm pretty sure compiz is involved with the issue
[01:27] <digitalfiz> heslam, maybe
[01:27] <blocky> any suggestions?
[01:29] <heslam> http://img34.imageshack.us/f/lopsideddash.png/ <[01:30] <heslam> digitalfiz: thanks for trying to reproduce my bug, though :)
[01:30] <roothorick> is it just me.... or did the install just poke the CD drive to spin it up because the download was almost finished?
[01:33] <giant420> anyone else having problems with update manager offering a partial upgrade for natty?
[01:33] <heslam> giant420: it's told me that a few times
[01:33] <giant420> synaptic wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-manager, and ubuntu-notifier.
[01:33] <maco> its generally a bad idea to accept a partial upgrade
[01:34] <thiebaude> !partial upgrade
[01:34] <giant420> thats why I havent done it! ;-)
[01:35] <giant420> i just dont know if its an issue with my system, or something on the server
[01:37] <heslam> hey guys. is the only way to make a new terminal window if you have one preexisting on another workspace without inadventently moving to that workspace (in order to reach file => new terminal) to search for it in the dash?
[01:37] <heslam> or is there a better way?
[01:39] <heslam> oh, FF lets you create a new window from the sidebar, but the terminal doesn't
[01:40] <thiebaude> i have 2d ubuntu 10.10 no nvidia drivers installed if i upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 will 11.04 still not install nvidia drivers for me?
[01:40] <thiebaude> in place upgrade
[01:41] <thiebaude> unity 2d that is,lol
[01:41] <roothorick> allright, it didn't detect the wireless on this laptop. Where do I begin fixing this?
[01:41] <geekahedron1> heslam: ctrl-alt-t?
[01:41] <roothorick> oh hey, "Install Drivers"
[01:41] <thiebaude> if i upgrade to 11.04 i did not want ubuntu to install the nvidia drivers
[01:42] <bjsnider> thiebaude, jockey only recommends the driver. it doesn't put a gun to your head and force you to use it
[01:42] <thiebaude> ok i did not know thanks
[01:42] <heslam> geekahedron1: wouldn't that require the preexisting terminal window to be selected...meaning i'd be dragged away from my current workspace?
[01:43] <thiebaude> the 11.04 installer installs nvidia during the install
[01:43] <bjsnider> thiebaude, plus you can very easily remove nvidia afterwards if you want
[01:43] <thiebaude> on the live 11.04 cd
[01:43] <geekahedron1> heslam: to open a terminal window? ctrl-alt-t should work wherever
[01:43] <thiebaude> bjsnider, i tried that before a few time and it borked my 11.04
[01:44] <thiebaude> times
[01:44] <heslam> geekahedron1: ah yeah, you're perfectly right - thanks :)
[01:44] <roothorick> I *know* this laptop has a wifi chip, but I only have one adapter, eth0. What's going on here?
[01:44] <thiebaude> bjsnider, do you suggest update-manager -d for the upgrade process?
[01:45] <roothorick> I'd know how to troubleshoot this on, say, Gentoo, but I want to learn ubuntu's hardware GUI stuff
[01:45] <geekahedron1> heslam: it's a global shortcut (keyboard shortcuts from the menu), unless the active application overloads the key
[01:45] <thiebaude> im getting my 10.10 updates now :)
[01:45] <bjsnider> sure, it worked for me
[01:45] <thiebaude> cool, thanks :)
[01:46] <bjsnider> except it wiped my hdd and sent confidential info about me to the feds
[01:46] <bjsnider> j/k
[01:46] <thiebaude> omg,lol
[01:46] <thiebaude> another OS would do that, j/k,lol :)
[01:46] <geekahedron1> i am having all kinds of trouble getting the broadcom wireless drivers to work in natty...
[01:46] <thiebaude> bjsnider,
[01:46] <heslam> geekahedron1: is that a good idea? i mean i hate to be anal and everything but in terms of having an application overload a global shortcut seems to contradict the whole principle of least surprise type thing. maybe i complain too much :P
[01:46] <bjsnider> now they know all about my moonshining operation
[01:46] <thiebaude> haha
[01:47] <geekahedron1> heslam: i mean, if ctrl-alt-t means something to the application you're using, that program will capture the keypress
[01:47] <geekahedron1> that's true of any shortcut
[01:48] <heslam> geekahedron1: yeah, just seems like a weird idea to have something that should work everywhere not work in some places. i'm just nit picking beyond the scope of this channel :)
[01:49] <hachre> bjsnider: lol i randomly look into this chan
[01:49] <hachre> bjsnider: I saw your comment about erase hdd and feds
[01:49] <hachre> bjsnider: so i started reading it all ;P
[01:49] <hachre> bjsnider: took me a while to get that this was a joke lol
[01:50] <thiebaude> :)
[01:50] <geekahedron1> heslam: basically, if the interrupt doesn't mean anything to the application, it will pass it on (or it could handle it *and* pass it on)
[01:50] <geekahedron1> that's how interrupts have to work, whether for keyboard shortcuts or mouse movements or whatever
[01:55] <geekahedron1> so, the third-party broadcom sta drivers for my wireless card were installed and enabled automatically, but they're not working
[01:55] <geekahedron1> uninstalled, reinstalled, updated, tried to get the b43 drivers recognized, nothing
[01:56] <geekahedron1> anyone had any luck with that?
[01:56] <roothorick> I don't get it. lspci shows a BCM4311, b43 is loaded and attached to it, no errors in syslog, but I only have eth0, no eth1 or wlan0. ifconfig -a only shows eth0 and lo. What do I try next?
[01:57] <geekahedron1> that's where i am
[01:57] <wolter> hm semi installing gnome 3 totally weirded up my system... http://i.imgur.com/prlyN.png
[01:57] <geekahedron1> 4311 also
[01:57] <roothorick> geekahedron1: Dell?
[01:57] <geekahedron1> yeah
[01:57] <wolter> i purged but I can't get back to normal, any help?
[01:57] <geekahedron1> d630
[01:57] <roothorick> I have a 640m
[01:57] <wolter> also, how do I add my home folder to the launcher???
[01:57] <roothorick> probably very closely related
[01:58] <mrdeb> attencio
[01:58] <mrdeb> i have something importnat to add
[01:59] <mrdeb> the white window glitch in 1104 is due to hte nvidia driver bug
[01:59] <wolter> what white window glitch?
[01:59] <mrdeb> when you maximize the window is blank
[01:59] <roothorick> texture size limit glitch, right?
[01:59] <mrdeb> window is white
[01:59] <roothorick> I remember wrestling with that on gentoo
[01:59] <bjsnider> mrdeb, what window?
[02:00] <mrdeb> cause i upgrade driver to newest in lucid
[02:00] <mrdeb> any window
[02:00] <rww> on gentoo, that's because the window wasn't done compiling :3
[02:00] <bjsnider> i'm not seeing that issue
[02:00] <roothorick> rww: oh shush
[02:01] <bjsnider> rww, ah, emerge humour
[02:01] <mrdeb> gentoo at least has a good distro name
[02:01] <bjsnider> sounds like a type of sushi
[02:01] <mrdeb> a sharp bird
[02:01] <rww> sounds like a type of penguin
[02:01] <mrdeb> it is a bird
[02:01] <mrdeb> surgical bird
[02:02] <roothorick> gentoo is an actual species of penguin IIRC
[02:03] <Guest79753> hey guys
[02:03] <mrdeb> i will not remove nvidia to test it
[02:03] <mrdeb> noq
[02:03] <mrdeb> w
[02:06] <roothorick> okay, what the hell is b43-pci-bridge?
[02:06] <bjsnider> sounds like a broadcom chipset driver
[02:07] <roothorick> well, it is attached to my wireless card... but isn't producing a network device
[02:09] <roothorick> how relevant is this to the beta? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[02:09] <wolter> has anybody been able to add new launchers to unity?
[02:16] <mu3en> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.6.2a-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:17] <mu3en> kdebase-workspace-data 4:4.6.2a missing from repos?
[02:23] <mu3en> can be found here http://launchpadlibrarian.net/68493982/kdebase-workspace-data_4.6.2a-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:24] <roothorick> sigh. I see the wireless situation STILL hasn't been fixed...
[02:24] <geekahedron1> no luck here either
[02:27] <heslam> guys, when i submit a bug to launchpad
[02:28] <roothorick> I actually got my wireless to work, but it confuses the hell out of the network manager
[02:28] <heslam> will it give me an option to upload png images directly to the site for my bug report? for screenshots etc.
[02:28] <roothorick> geekahedron1: BCM4311, correct?
[02:28] <heslam> or should i include a link to the image hosted elsewhere?
[02:28] <geekahedron1> roothorick: yes, what did you have to do?
[02:30] <Chr|s> hey guys
[02:30] <bob__631> I tried 11.04 for a while, then wiped the disk and reinstalled 10.10 - I hate 11.04
[02:30] <Chr|s> how do I uninstall gnome 3? it isn't working, unable to log in :(
[02:30] <roothorick> geekahedron1: install firmware-b43-installer, then modprobe -r b44 b43 ssb wl, modprobe b43, modprobe b44 to get your wired ethernet back, rfkill unblock all, iwconfig wlan0 up. At this point your "Wi-Fi" light will come on and network manager will show nearby networks.
[02:30] <roothorick> geekahedron1: write this down, because you'll probably have to do part of it again
[02:31] <geekahedron1> yeah, my intent was to save all my setup stuff in one place this time
[02:32] <geekahedron1> since there are always some kind of issues
[02:32] <wolter> can one have gnome3 installed but use unity instead of gnome-shell?
[02:33] <Chr|s> wolter: im sure there is a way. Im not sure how to do it
[02:33] <Daekdroom> as far as I know, installing the gnome3 ppa breaks unity.
[02:33] <Chr|s> I am having issues getting gnome 3 to even work
[02:33] <wolter> Chr|s, would i need to hack something to do it or do unity and gs work with the classic --replace principle?
[02:33] <Chr|s> yeah it does, have to disable unity some how
[02:33] <wolter> oh
[02:34] <Daekdroom> Chr|s, I suppose the best way is installing the gnome3-session package and start using gnome shell.
[02:34] <cryptk> so, I have to say, I am personally not a fan of Unity
[02:36] <Daekdroom> I'm used to Unity already, but I have to say it has so much room for improvement
[02:37] <geekahedron1> sweet
[02:38] <roothorick> geekahedron1: found a simpler way. Just install firmware-b43-installer and reboot.
[02:38] <cryptk> exactly, with the right work, I could use it
[02:39] <cryptk> but for now I will stay with my Ubuntu Classic session
[02:39] <roothorick> geekahedron1: probably don't strictly HAVE to reboot but it's easier than doing all the module loading/unloading legwork
[02:39] <Chr|s> Daekdroom: where is this package located? im unable to do this through cli. Im not that experienced
[02:40] <Daekdroom> Chr|s, it should be available if you use the gnome3 PPA
[02:43] <Chr|s> Daekdroom: I think I have it installed, just have unity running as well..because I can't even login to my system by using x
[02:43] <Daekdroom> that is probably a GDM problem then.
[02:43] <Chr|s> I see
[02:44] <Chr|s> being like this, I am thinking I am going to have to reinstall the os because I can't seem to login
[02:46] <wolter> Chr|s, what is your problem with logging in?
[02:46] <Daekdroom> Chr|s, use sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[02:47] <Chr|s> ok thanks brb
[02:47] <Chr|s> doing it now
[02:48] <lcb> chris|, or... on console try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
[02:49] <lcb> chris|, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[02:50] <Chr|s> alright
[02:50] <lcb> you need a restart afterwards
[02:55] <wolter> unity file search couldn't be any more useless...
[02:56] <wolter> and how do I get my home icon back to the launcher?
[02:56] <Daekdroom> I believe the answer to the later question is to reset the icons.
[02:56] <Daekdroom> In a terminal, run unity --reset-icons
[02:58] <drmorphias> has anyone had the issue with telepathy-buttery and telepathy-salut repetively crashing?
[02:58] <drmorphias> *telepathy-butterfly
[03:01] <ninwa> Has anybody gotten Guake to work in 11.04?
[03:02] <drmorphias> how do i move a window that is stuck under the top panel?
[03:02] <ninwa> alt+left click on it and drag
[03:12] <ninwa> How do I exit Banshee (2.0)?
[03:13] <Scotty> hellooo folksss
[03:14] <Scotty> anyone try anf install Gnome3 today??
[03:15] <ninwa> Scotty, according to what I've read it breaks Unity. I'm going to try it on my other machine sometime soon, but to me that sucks.
[03:15] <Scotty> ayee lol, i've toasted my machgine lol
[03:15] <Scotty> i have a flashing login screen with no option to login lol, trying to figure out how to fix it
[03:15] <ninwa> How do you like it?
[03:15] <ninwa> Oh, hah.
[03:16] <ninwa> When I try it I'm just going to try it with Fedora 15
[03:16] <torchie> hi
[03:16] <torchie> I have an nvidia 7150m and when I have compiz enabled random windows turn white on the inside
[03:16] <torchie> and upon waking the laptop from sleep the screen goes completely white except for the cursor and I have to restart
[03:17] <torchie> (hp dv6700, amd x64)
[03:17] <Scotty> did you try both NVidia drivers torchie?
[03:17] <torchie> i tried disabling copy to texture and it made no difference -- what else would usually be the cause?
[03:18] <torchie> I installed the proprietary ones through additional but am not sure how to switch to the free ones
[03:20] <Chr|s> Hmm
[03:20] <Chr|s> Can't login still
[03:21] <Chr|s> I try to install the gnome shell and get this error..
[03:21] <Chr|s> It is a dependency error
[03:22] <rww> then file a bug against the PPA that you're using.
[03:22] <Chr|s> Gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
[03:24] <Chr|s> cant file a bug over my phone :(
[03:25] <Scotty> im getting a flashing login screen chris
[03:26] <Chr|s> I'm sorry
[03:27] <Scotty> lol
[03:28] <Scotty> noo idea what to do lol
[03:33] <Chr|s> Welcome to my world
[03:33] <Chr|s> Ok I purged gnome 3 ppa
[03:34] <Chr|s> How do I remove gnome 3 and have just unity? I need 5to get back to my desktop
[03:35] <rww> ppa-purge
[03:35] <Chr|s> Yeah.. I did that but still see login for gnome 3
[03:36] <Scotty> sudp apt-get -f install ??
[03:36] <wolter> Chr|s, I had the exact same problem
[03:36] <wolter> do this
[03:37] <Chr|s> Ok
[03:38] <Chr|s> What am I doing? Lol
[03:38] <wolter> 1. purge the gnome3 ppa (some packages will fail to get purged). | 2. Update your system and restart. | 3. Purge the ppa again, now it shouldn't fail. | 4. Update again and restart
[03:39] <wolter> having patience :)
[03:39] <Chr|s> I do
[03:39] <wolter> Whats up with the overlay scrollbars?
[03:46] <Chr|s> Hmm I get this error "could not update ICEauthority file /home/user/.ICEauthority"
[03:47] <Chr|s> Get it when I try to login
[03:54] <torchie> additional drivers says I need jockey for unity
[03:59] <geekahedron1> ugh
[03:59] <jiohdi> Chr|s, seems like something took your .iceauthority for itself... likely root.. did you try to change it back?
[03:59] <geekahedron1> i don't like the new unity at all, but how do you change it?
[03:59] <jiohdi> geekahedron1, change it to what?
[04:00] <geekahedron1> well
[04:00] <geekahedron1> add things to the panel
[04:00] <geekahedron1> get a window list
[04:00] <rww> I generally just rm .ICEauthority when it's causing problems ;P
[04:00] <Chr|s> Jiohdi hmm not sure how
[04:00] <jiohdi> geekahedron1, too add I think you just drag something from an open listing
[04:00] <jiohdi> you chose the all programs
[04:01] <jiohdi> then drag
[04:01] <geekahedron1> huh
[04:01] <jiohdi> Chr|s, chown user /home/user/.ICEauthority
[04:02] <geekahedron1> oh ... i'm not talking about the sidebar launcher
[04:02] <arand> geekahedron1: I don't think you can use a window list in unity, the sidebar replaces it
[04:02] <jiohdi> Chr|s, chown +R user /home/user/.ICEauthority   [if its a folder]
[04:02] <jiohdi> one of the defaults is a list for all programs
[04:03] <jiohdi> in unity
[04:03] <geekahedron1> but i want my cpu temperature displayed next to the clock
[04:03] <geekahedron1> or a taskbar-style window list
[04:03] <geekahedron1> or even a window list button
[04:03] <jiohdi> last I used unity it did not work well with others
[04:03] <geekahedron1> we have no interface options? what is this, apple
[04:03] <arand> geekahedron1: Well, if when you click on the panel there is no add to panel option, I assume it won't be possible
[04:03] <jiohdi> its made for touch screens
[04:03] <arand> geekahedron1: pretty much yea
[04:04] <Chr|s> Hmm that command isn't working says invalis user
[04:04] <jiohdi> is user your user name? substitute your actual user name
[04:04] <jiohdi> oh
[04:04] <jiohdi> you have to do it as root
[04:04] <jiohdi> so add sudo to the beginning
[04:04] <Chr|s> Shh that's it
[04:05] <Chr|s> Ahh I mean
[04:05] <arand> And maybe do user:user as well to set both...
[04:05] <geekahedron1> well, huh
[04:05] <Chr|s> Hrmm..says there is no such file
[04:09] <wolter> does anybody know how to manually edit the launchers in unity? I mean, like hack it under the hood
[04:10] <drmorphias> ya i would like to know where unitiy's configuration file is so i can see if there is a way to move it to the bottom of the screen.
[04:12] <Chr|s> Ehh I dunno. Guess I'm going to have to reinstall the os
[04:12] <jiohdi> Chr|s,  check out http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/iceauthority-error-in-ubuntu-8-10-a-681312/
[04:14] <Scotty> Chris did you make sure you cap'd the ICEauthority
[04:14] <Scotty> acckk
[04:14] <Scotty> sudo gdm reset isnt working for me now
[04:15] <noob> When I change to compiz on ubuntu classic my x out buttons dissapear. help?
[04:16] <Chr|s> Hell I just want unity back
[04:16] <drmorphias> Chr|s, whats wrong?
[04:16] <jiohdi> Chr|s, if you can create a second user with full authority, you can delete the first one and it should fix the problem
[04:17] <Chr|s> It has something to do with me trying to install gnome 3.
[04:17] <Chr|s> Trying to get back to unity
[04:17] <drmorphias> Chr|s, oh.
[04:17] <jiohdi> Chr|s, should not effect the 2nd new user you create
[04:28] <noob> When I change to compiz on ubuntu classic my x out buttons dissapear. help?
[04:30] <noob> can anybody help me?
[04:33] <wolter> drmorphias, i don't think thats possible haha
[05:11] <Scotty> Gnome 3 has ruined my lifef lol
[05:22] <wolter> hahahah
[05:22] <wolter> comment of the day
[05:22] <Scotty> yah lol,
[05:22] <Scotty> how do you backup linux drive in windows?
[05:23] <rww> you don't
[05:24] <Scotty> it's impossible?
[05:24] <Scotty> i tried calling the disk with explore2fs, but it's not showing up..
[05:25] <Scotty> if you boot a live CD, can you accorss HD?
[05:25] <rww> yes
[05:26] <Scotty> there is my solution
[05:29] <syedomar> hi... can anyone link me a good guide for my rt73(wireless)
[05:31] <syedomar> lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590572/
[05:36] <magn3ts> Feature request for GNOME 3: Please waste mroe screen realestate on the window border and bulky GTK+
[05:36] <magn3ts> And please don't give me a way to configure it
[05:36] <rww> okay
[05:36] <magn3ts> and please remove more features that were once standard on the GNOME Desktop.
[05:37] <rww> okay
[05:37] <magn3ts> then loudly gasp "why don't people want to use gnome shell" "why are people moving to unity, etc"
[05:37] <rww> okay
[05:37] <Volkodav> are people moving to unity ?
[05:37] <magn3ts> "we" people I guess.
[05:37] <magn3ts> The last one was a stretch I'll grant.
[05:38] <Volkodav> anybody moved to unity ? maybe cell phone people
[05:40] <magn3ts> ?
[06:08] <digitalfiz> is there a safe way to remove ubuntu one?
[06:11] <torchie> aha!
[06:11] <din> i'm trying to upgrade to natty on my netbook but my ssd is only 4gb and doesn't have the space available to do so. can someone point me in the right direction?
[06:11] <torchie> installed the open source nvidia drivers
[06:11] <torchie> wonderful!
[06:11] <torchie> absolutely wonderful
[06:14] <torchie> !
[06:14] <torchie> alt tab crash
[06:22] <will_> hey guys. i'm wanting to compose a bug report for the scrollbars but in order to do so i need to check how gedit performs WITHOUT the new overlay scrollbars
[06:22] <will_> does anyone know how to turn them off temporarily? or, failing that, can someone open up gedit and test it for me?
[06:23] <will_> i need to know if moving your mouse all the way to the right of the screen on a maximised gedit (with old scrollbars) lets you grab them by clicking as far right as you can
[06:24] <akavlie> will_, I'm on Ubuntu classic, just tested myself.
[06:25] <akavlie> not sure how the behavior was before, but on maximized gedit when the mouse is on the right edge of the screen, I cannot grab the scrollbar.
[06:25] <din> i'm trying to upgrade to natty on my netbook but my ssd is only 4gb and doesn't have the space available to do so. can someone point me in the right direction?
[06:25] <will_> akavlie: thanks for testing! that's an interesting result. i was hoping to use gedit as an example, but i know for a fact that firefox DOES behave that way
[06:26] <will_> make sure that gedit has enough text in it to warrant the scrollbar in the first place?
[06:26] <akavlie> yep, I did
[06:27] <akavlie> scrollbar was present, but I couldn't grab it. Someone has not read fitt's law
[06:27] <akavlie> not that I ever maximize things, but...
[06:27] <will_> akavlie: yeah - that's the main reason i want to report a bug for the new overlay scrollbars. they don't let you the same thing
[06:28] <will_> akavlie: do you mind testing it in firefox too? i'm *always* throwing my mouse to the right of the screen as far as it can go and grabbing to move up and down with FF
[06:29] <will_> akavlie: i've got my old laptop running and installed gedit and you're right, it doesn't let you do what FF lets you do. interesting
[06:29] <akavlie> will_, yeah in Firefox I WAS able to grab.
[06:29] <akavlie> not sure what this has to do w/ a new overlay though.
[06:30] <will_> akavlie: it doesn't, not anymore :P i just thought it might.
[06:31] <will_> din: have you tried an ubuntu server install and building it up from there? not ideal but then you can pick and choose what you'd like
[06:31] <din> not yet. i'm going to try to free up the space first
[06:32] <will_> din: you could ditch the swap file, for one. if it has an SD card you could put your home directory on that, too...?
[06:33] <din> yeah, i'm trying to work it out
[06:33] <will_> din: you can also mount your temp directory in RAM, depending on how much RAM you're willing to give up
[06:33] <din> you mean /tmp ??
[06:33] <will_> din: yeah
[06:34] <will_> din: also try getting rid of any localisation support that you don't need. bloody foreigners
[06:36] <will_> akavlie: thanks for following me on my goose chase. :) i'm going to keep hunting around for applications in the same vein, see if i can't find anything
[06:38] <din> i mounted it to a 250 external drive and the upgrade still complained.
[06:39] <din> will_: i mounted it to a 250 external drive and the upgrade still complained.
[06:40] <din> 250gb*
[06:41] <will_> din:do you want to install to the 250 gig external drive?
[06:41] <din> will_: no, i am saying that i mounted /tmp there.i
[06:41] <akavlie> will_, np
[06:43] <will_> din: unless you plan to have the external drive always connected...
[06:43] <will_> din: forgive me if i'm being ignorant but i'm pretty sure the installer wants 4 gigs to install the main OS in, not because it needs space for temporary file
[06:44] <will_> s
[06:44] <din> i thought i could make space for the upgrade tool by mounting the /tmp directory and the /var/cache/apt/archives directory to that disk.
[06:45] <din> will_: neither worked so... here i am.
[06:46] <will_> din: when you say the installer complained, do you mean it stopped you from going ahead with the install or it just warned you?
[06:46] <din> will_: it stopped.
[06:46] <din> i will deal with it later. time to sleep.
[06:46] <will_> if you want more control than ubuntu lets you, you'll have to either experiment with more flexible distros
[06:46] <will_> or use ubuntu server and build it up from there, perhaps
[06:47] <almoxarife> is it safe to upgrade to 11.04 from 10.10?
[06:47] <din> will_: thanks for the input. goodnight.
[06:47] <will_> din: night :)
[06:48] <will_> almoxarife: not on production machines
[06:49] <will_> sorry for such a generically rubbish answer :P
[06:49] <almoxarife> will_: I get the point of the answer, are upgrades glitching as a majority or minority?
[06:51] <will_> almoxarife: i've not done any upgrading, just fresh installs. there's been some big architectural changes though what with unity and so on, so unless someone else more knowledgable decides to shut me up and give you a proper answer, you'll just have to infer from that
[06:52] <almoxarife> will_: got it, thnks
[07:53] <kreantos> hi,
[07:54] <kreantos> i wanted to ask, if 11.04 is stable enough to have it running on my developer machine?
[08:09] <nit-wit> kreantos, not a anything other then a teast if it was me.
[08:09] <nit-wit> *test
[08:23] <vega> has 11.04 boot speed increased compared to maverick? maverick still has a lot of old init.d scripts, don't know about natty
[08:24] <nit-wit> vega, seems about the same speed on my setup
[08:30] <nuke_> Hi... does anyone know how to get rid of Unity in 11.04 and switch back to regular Gnome?
[08:30] <vega> isn't it choosable at login time?
[08:31] <nuke_> hmm I didn't notice...
[08:31] <nuke_> I'll check thanks
[09:01] <ohsix> overlay scrollbars are neat, a bit hard to fish for with a mouse sometimes though, is there a simple way to disable it?
[09:29] <delac> SystemError InstallArchives() failed. Any remedy?
[10:00] <obscurant1st> the panel on which the workspace, the minimized windows, etc used be there is gone now! :( what can i do?
[10:06] <obscurant1st> somebody please?
[10:06] <Chr|s> obscurant1st:  patience
[10:06] <obscurant1st> k
[10:06] <Chr|s> obscurant1st: you mean the left dock bar?
[10:06] <Chr|s> or you mean the bottom panel?
[10:07] <obscurant1st> Chr|s, left dock bar is already gone, but anywat i dont need it!. my problem is the bottom one is gone
[10:07] <Chr|s> obscurant1st: actually you do need it
[10:07] <Chr|s> because there is no bottom bar
[10:07] <Chr|s> in 11.04 anyways
[10:07] <obscurant1st> Chr|s, it was there! till yesterday! (
[10:08] <Chr|s> don't know how? what version of ubuntu are you running?
[10:08] <obscurant1st> Chr|s, actually i changed some setting in compiz settings and thebottom bar and the top bar came, but today the top bar is there. but not the bottom one, and btw this look is like the old ubuntu
[10:09] <obscurant1st> Chr|s, its 11.04 only, yesterday nly i downloded the beta version
[10:10] <obscurant1st> one doubt , is the window manager is metacity in 11.04?
[10:11] <obscurant1st> because i remember doing metacity --replace once when some problem came for me!
[10:11] <Chr|s> obscurant1st: not sure exactly
[10:11] <Chr|s> just try to undo what you did if you can remember
[10:12] <obscurant1st> Chr|s, i dont have clue of what i did! I think i will have to reinstall if nothing works
[10:12] <Chr|s> obscurant1st: just open compiz and reset to defaul
[10:12] <Chr|s> see what happens
[10:12] <delac> obscurant1st: are you on normal Ubuntu desktop or classic?
[10:13] <obscurant1st> delac, what is classic and normal? i dont know i did a usual install of the beta image i downloaded!
[10:13] <obscurant1st> Chr|s, i tried that, but after trying that do i have to restart the system to take effect?
[10:14] <delac> obscurant1st: you can select the desktop type in login screen
[10:14] <Chr|s> obscurant1st: you shouldn't have too, just log off and log back on
[10:14] <delac> obscurant1st: but you didnt even go to the login screen, I think?
[10:14] <obscurant1st> delac, Chr|s ok, let me try logging in back! one moment!
[10:15] <delac> if he is on normal Ubuntu desktop, how on earth does he have bottom panel?
[10:16] <Chr|s> said he was messing with compiz
[10:16] <Chr|s> not sure exactly
[10:16] <Chr|s> I think he should take a screen shot so we can see for sure
[10:17] <delac> compiz cant bring back the panel, as far as I know
[10:17] <delac> unless he killed the unity plugin
[10:18] <delac> that might be it
[10:18] <Chr|s> I did earlier trying to get gnome 3 working
[10:18] <Chr|s> I had to do a reinstall
[10:18] <Chr|s> unfortunally
[10:18] <delac> I was going to try gnome3
[10:18] <delac> but there are some problems?
[10:19] <delac> you say?
[10:19] <Chr|s> I must of did something wrong because I couldn't get it to load or anything,
[10:20] <syn-ack> well...
[10:20] <syn-ack> You do know that if you install Gnome3 you break unity, right?
[10:20] <Chr|s> yeah, thats what I did
[10:21] <Chr|s> broke it pretty good
[10:21] <syn-ack> You know why that is, right?
[10:21] <Chr|s> not exactly no
[10:22] <syn-ack> Because Unity is written with Gnome 2.x in mind and not necessarily Gnome3 in mind and therefore the libs that are replaced are ones in which unity depends on
[10:22] <Chr|s> ahh i see
[10:23] <Chr|s> well some people got it goign
[10:23] <Chr|s> not sure the steps they took
[10:25] <delac> if you remove the PPA, can't you force synaptic to replace the packages with older ones?
[10:25] <syn-ack> ,No
[10:25] <ohsix> delac: ppa-purge can do that for you though
[10:25] <ohsix> it does pinning for you & downgrades
[10:27] <syn-ack> delac, That's not always such a good idea because some of the packages may break your system on a downgrade.
[10:30] <delac> syn-ack: how come? wouldn't that be eqiuvalent to just restoring the previous state?
[10:30] <syn-ack> no
[10:31] <syn-ack> Because it doesn't remove the new applications' configs and they may be incompatible with the older version of the software.
[10:32] <syn-ack> delac, If you want to downgrade, I suggest that you just reinstall because A it's the cleanest method and B it saves you a lot of headaches.
[10:32] <ohsix> syn-ack: while not literally untrue; the packages that can do real damage generally aren't in ppas; and there is some consideration (albeit not a lot) for packages that can do just that
[10:32] <delac> syn-ack: I thought purge would get rid of configs?
[10:32] <syn-ack> ohsix, true, however in the case of Gnome3.... he's probably going to want to reinstall..
[10:33] <delac> yes, that is what I'm going to do
[10:33] <syn-ack> delac, not ppa-purge.
[10:33] <syn-ack> well, not always, let me put it like that.
[10:33] <delac> or even better, I'm going to make another usb-install just to test gnome3
[10:34] <syn-ack> You could do that too
[10:34] <syn-ack> or you could also do it in a VM
[10:35] <delac> syn-ack: does virtualbox support 3d? because doesn't gnome3 require that?
[10:36] <G00053> so i upgraded from 10.10 and lost the bar on top , anyway to get it back ?
[10:36] <G00053> any - way *
[10:36] <syn-ack> delac, Depends on your network card and both Gnome3 and Unity use compositing.
[10:37] <syn-ack> Rather, your video card. Sorry
[10:37] <delac> :)
[10:37] <syn-ack> Talking about networking in another channel.
[10:38] <ohsix> syn-ack: hm maybe, but nothing would break
[10:39] <ohsix> syn-ack: all your other x sessions are still available too
[10:40] <syn-ack> G00053, upgraded from 10.10 to.... 11.04?
[10:41] <G00053> syn-ack, yeah at first everything , was black and each time i would scroll over a window or a selection that part of the screen would turn black
[10:41] <G00053> i thought maybe compiz was my problem so i re-installed it and now windows no longer go black but i have no bars
[10:43] <delac> G00053: sounds more like graphics card driver problems. you got nvidia?
[10:44] <syn-ack> yeah
[10:44] <delac> G00053: go to the login screen and select Ubuntu classic with no effects
[10:44] <delac> G00053: then at least you should get working desktop where you can start checking the drivers
[10:45] <G00053> amd - i reinstalled the proprietary drivers / catalyst no changes ...this was before i tried compiz...
[10:45] <syn-ack> G00053, Are you getting 3D acceleration at all?
[10:46] <G00053> let me be clear the bars were there before i killed compiz and reinstalled they were just in-accessable because i couldnt see the drop down menus...ect just the network power stuff worked on the right ...now they are totally missing
[10:47] <G00053> syn-ack , i'm not quite sure how to check
[10:47] <syn-ack> hrm
[10:48] <syn-ack> so it seems that Ubuntu removed glxgears
[10:48] <syn-ack> lemme see if I can find the package it's supposed to be in
[10:48] <G00053> much appreciated
[10:48] <syn-ack> G00053, install mesa-utilities
[10:49] <Paddy_NI> Hey what is the general consensus on Natty beta?
[10:49] <syn-ack> G00053, install mesa-utils rather
[10:49] <syn-ack> Paddy_NI, It's stablising its self quite nicely
[10:49] <syn-ack> G00053, let me know when you have it installs
[10:49] <syn-ack> installed.
[10:49] <Paddy_NI> syn-ack: what about performance in general
[10:49] <syn-ack> It's alright. no performance hit for me.
[10:51] <delac> yes, the desktop seems very responsive even on netbook
[10:51] <Paddy_NI> I hear compiz crashes like crazy
[10:51] <G00053> done
[10:51] <delac> yes, compiz is bit unstable at the moment
[10:52] <Paddy_NI> yeah maverick with unity was terrible
[10:52] <syn-ack> G00053, now, open a terminal and type glxgears at the prompt
[10:52] <G00053> i see gears..
[10:52] <syn-ack> G00053, Watch the output to the xterminal and tell me what your frame rate is
[10:53] <G00053> ~ 60
[10:53] <delac> yes, but this is big step forward. however, there are still some rough edges
[10:53] <ohsix> Paddy_NI: it did 20 days ago, "seems" better now, but i haven't been setting it up in 20 days :P
[10:53] <syn-ack> G00053, Which driver are you currently running?
[10:53] <Paddy_NI> hmm.. yeah I guess the devs are great at the last minute cramming
[10:54] <Paddy_NI> I still don't get why banshee is to be default though
[10:54] <syn-ack> Because that's what they chose?
[10:54] <Paddy_NI> that is hardly a reason
[10:54] <syn-ack> Paddy_NI, Last time I checked you could change that.
[10:55] <syn-ack> Paddy_NI, That's all the reason they NEED to give. Because they can.
[10:55] <Paddy_NI> still does not answer the question :)
[10:55] <Paddy_NI> still makes no sense
[10:55] <syn-ack> personally, I like Banshee.
[10:55] <Paddy_NI> meh.. it's just another media player
[10:56] <Paddy_NI> albeit written in an inferior language
[10:56] <syn-ack> I don't care if it's written in .Net or not. I think it's a good product.
[10:56] <delac> and I still have to use Foobar2000...
[10:56] <syn-ack> There's nothing wrong with C#
[10:56] <Paddy_NI> XD
[10:56] <Paddy_NI> its the language of the pseudo programmer
[10:56] <syn-ack> you just don't like it because "The Big Bad Microsoft" made it
[10:56] <syn-ack> please.
[10:56] <Paddy_NI> nothing to do with it
[10:57] <syn-ack> bull.
[10:57] <Paddy_NI> lol
[10:57] <Paddy_NI> wow.. you are making major assumptions
[10:57] <Paddy_NI> I am going by the actually technical aspects
[10:57] <syn-ack> So are you.
[10:57] <Paddy_NI> math does not lie
[10:58] <syn-ack> Depends on who's paying for the "technical aspects"
[10:58] <Paddy_NI> people who want to call themselves programmers but cannot code so they dumb down the languages
[10:59] <Paddy_NI> no thanks
[10:59] <syn-ack> You could say the same about Python too
[10:59] <Paddy_NI> python would have been a better choice
[10:59] <syn-ack> What's a "Real Man's Language" son. School me.
[10:59] <Paddy_NI> C
[10:59] <syn-ack> of course you'd say that.
[11:00] <Paddy_NI> yes as its true
[11:00] <syn-ack> I'm done with this stupid conversation.
[11:00] <Paddy_NI> although I have not tried a recent build
[11:00] <Paddy_NI> syn-ack: you are quite angry sorry to flare you up
[11:00] <Paddy_NI> yikes
[11:01] <syn-ack> I'm not angry. Not in the least. I just don't buy that you've actually USED the language so therefore you don't have the right to judge it.
[11:01] <Paddy_NI> syn-ack: another assumption
[11:01] <Paddy_NI> your telepathic kung fu is mighty
[11:02] <syn-ack> Straight to point: It's a tool. All tools have their place regardless of how superior one is over another
[11:02] <Paddy_NI> yeah like a square tire :)
[11:02] <syn-ack> sure sure.
[11:03] <Paddy_NI> syn-ack: what is unity 3d created in... cairo?
[11:03] <Paddy_NI> I know 2d is qt
[11:03] <ikonia> what ?
[11:03] <syn-ack> yes, cairo.
[11:03] <ikonia> unity is made from QT ?
[11:03] <Paddy_NI> well QML
[11:04] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: the 2d variant
[11:04] <syn-ack> wait, clutter is Cario based.... yeah, I'm almost positive it is
[11:04] <ohsix> .
[11:04] <Paddy_NI> I wonder what they removed from the CD to fit the extra libs on
[11:04] <syn-ack> The Gimp
[11:04] <Paddy_NI> ah
[11:05] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if shotwell works with appmenu yet
[11:05] <syn-ack> There's something else that's not on the livecd anymore but I can't remember right now since it's very late
[11:05] <syn-ack> alright, one more smoke then bed.
[11:06] <Paddy_NI> hehe
[11:06] <Paddy_NI> syn-ack: I always say that
[11:07] <Paddy_NI> I cannot wait to see native speech recognition for linux
[11:07] <Paddy_NI> Would be nice if Shuttleworth just bought "Dragon Naturally Speaking"
[11:07] <Paddy_NI> not like he's short a few bob
[11:08] <ikonia> I think there are more pressing matters to deal with beyond speech recognision
[11:08] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: like the colour of the icons?
[11:08] <ikonia> no
[11:08] <Paddy_NI> the theme
[11:08] <Paddy_NI> ;)
[11:09] <Paddy_NI> changing perfectly good music players
[11:09] <Paddy_NI> choose something challenging for a change I say
[11:09] <ikonia> I have my own views, try to provoke someone else
[11:10] <Paddy_NI> oh well I thought you would enlighten me with "more pressing matters"
[11:10] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: not provoking mate
[11:10] <ikonia> I suggest we return to 11.04 discussion as this channel was intended
[11:10] <ikonia> you're certainly trying,
[11:10] <Paddy_NI> lol
[11:10] <Paddy_NI> oh dear me
[11:14] <ohsix> ikonia: could use your eyes on #ubuntu, there are shenanigans
[11:15] <ikonia> sure
[11:18] <delac> why does my aptd crash every time I try to report a problem?
[11:23] <Paddy_NI> delac: aptd...? don't you mean apport?
[11:25] <delac> no, I'm pretty sure the error message says aptd
[11:25] <bullgard4> Why did Natty install an entry »postfix:x:121:« in my /etc/group?
[11:25] <Paddy_NI> delac: which way are you reporting bugs?
[11:25] <delac> well, it seems it borged my usb-stick installation for good
[11:26] <delac> it wont get even to the grub anymore
[11:27] <delac> Paddy_NI: I just let the automatic error reporting to do that. If it would do that without crashing, that is
[11:27] <Paddy_NI> delac: what exactly did you do?
[11:27] <Paddy_NI> ah
[11:28] <Paddy_NI> delac: I'm downloading the beta at the moment.. might do the same thing and use a persistent usb installation
[11:30] <delac> Paddy_NI: I didnt actually do any installation, it's still really only live-usb, but as it is possible to add some persistent storage, it behaves much like actual installation.
[11:31] <Paddy_NI> delac: well that is what I thought you where doing
[11:31] <Paddy_NI> delac: I normally use a persistent linux mint usb
[11:31] <Paddy_NI> very handy
[11:32] <delac> oh, it seems to be getting life back after few boot attempts...
[11:32] <Paddy_NI> are you sure the pen is fine?
[11:33] <delac> Paddy_NI: it's quite new, and other distros have been working fine
[11:33] <Paddy_NI> ah okay... to be honest usb-creator has been faulty since maverick
[11:33] <Paddy_NI> unetbootin works just fine
[11:34] <Paddy_NI> pity about the interface
[11:34]  * Paddy_NI cringes
[11:35] <delac> for me usb-creator has worked fine every time I can remember
[11:35] <Paddy_NI> there is a bug with isolinux and usb-creator on maverick
[11:35] <delac> anything serious?
[11:36] <Paddy_NI> nothing that will break anything physically
[11:36] <Paddy_NI> just wont boot
[11:37] <Paddy_NI> happy days, migraine tablets kicking in
[11:43] <ohsix> what does it say?
[11:43] <ohsix> i've used usb-creator fine in natty, and maverick
[11:44] <ohsix> it's not really comparable to unetbootin
[11:48] <delac> any remedy for "SystemErro:InstallArchives() failed"? Trying to install Broadcom drivers for wlan with jockey.
[11:48] <blarn> I've just installed the beta1 and it says unity can't start. I'm using nouveau on nv50 which supports 3d and glxinfo shows direct rendering: yes
[11:49] <ohsix> blarn: it still might not support something compiz needs (and by extension, unity) to run, and falling back
[11:50] <blarn> like what? does it work in nouveau at all?
[11:50] <ohsix> unfortunately i can't tell you exactly what it may be :\
[11:50] <blarn> *with nouveau
[11:50] <ohsix> it probably works with some devices using nouveau
[11:51] <ohsix> hmmm
[11:51] <ohsix> whats the model number?
[11:51] <blarn> nv50 is best supported family according to the nouveau site
[11:51] <blarn> with nvc0
[11:51] <ohsix> shrug
[11:51] <blarn> g96
[11:52] <blarn> geforce 9500, g96 is the core
[11:52] <ohsix> 9500, check
[11:55] <zniavre> blarn,  im using nouveau (on fx5500) unity works (almost well) with mesa dri -experimental
[11:55] <koltroll> Guys, how do I change settings for the menu?
[11:56] <koltroll> I don't want to go away all the time, I want to change its size, and maybe I want to move it.
[11:56] <delac> koltroll: you mean the Launcher on the left?
[11:56] <koltroll> delac, yea!
[11:57] <delac> koltroll: you have compiz-config-settings-manager installed?
[11:57] <koltroll> delac, donno. don't think so
[11:57] <koltroll> -I- haven't installed it atleast
[11:57] <delac> koltroll: either install it, or do you know how to use gconf?
[11:57] <koltroll> delac, no
[11:58] <ohsix> install it :] it's fun to play with
[11:58] <delac> koltroll: install ccsm
[11:58] <koltroll> I thought a right-click would do it to get some settings.. heh.
[11:58] <blarn> zniavre, I'll try it, thanks
[11:58] <ohsix> also the autohide options and stuff for unity are in there
[11:58] <koltroll> But stuffs not supposed to be easy I guess :>
[11:58] <koltroll> delac, I'll do that. Cheers
[11:58] <Panthera> hello there
[11:59] <Panthera> can someone tell me if i will be able to use Gnome Shell in Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[11:59] <ohsix> yes
[11:59] <Panthera> cool ok
[11:59] <ohsix> and classic gnome, and any other x session bearing package you install
[12:00] <Panthera> a ok
[12:00] <zniavre> bearing ?
[12:00] <Panthera> i just dislike the Unity Interface
[12:00] <blarn> zniavre, yes that ... "works"
[12:00] <Panthera> last time i try it
[12:00] <Panthera> -_-
[12:01] <blarn> well its running anyway. thanks
[12:01] <zniavre> blarn, why do not use nvidia drivers?
[12:01] <ohsix> zniavre: "producing or yielding" an x session, in the package :]
[12:01] <blarn> I've got 10.10 installed too, I'm just trying this out, want to try nouveau
[12:02] <zniavre> ok
[12:02] <ohsix> nouveau ships this cycle, its worth using
[12:02] <zniavre> ohsix,  ok
[12:02] <ohsix> plus it does dri & xrandr and lots of stuff the native driver doesn't
[12:03] <blarn> in Applications:  "Firefox ...b Browser" heh
[12:03] <ohsix> nice
[12:03] <blarn> Seems like "We" would have fit in ...'s space
[12:03] <ohsix> time to look for or file new bugs, font/glyph stuff is a common corruption type bug
[12:04] <adalal> heya there, anyone here know how to refresh teh notification applet after changing gsettings?
[12:07] <blarn> where is settings? or places?
[12:08] <zniavre> an icon in left side launcher called "applications ' i guess
[12:09] <pvh_sa> hey there, i'm planning to install 11.04 on a new laptop (since official release is around the corner). what would you recommend, putting beta1 on the machine, or a daily build?
[12:13] <adalal> pvh_sa: it would auto upgrade itself anyways.. so might as well go for the daily build.. to reduce initial upgrade times :P
[12:13] <adalal> only barely however
[12:13] <[4-tea-2]> Howdy.
[12:13] <[4-tea-2]> Anyone else experiencing Liferea crashes (segfaults) on natty?
[12:14] <adalal> Anyone here knows how to reload the Unity systray after changing keys in gsettings?
[12:16] <blarn> can x-org-edgers and gnome3 ppas be used together?
[12:18] <ohsix> blarn: i don't seewhy they would conflict
[12:19] <pvh_sa> thanks adalal - where do i find a daily build for amd64 desktop?
[12:20] <adalal> pvh_sa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ here u go
[12:23] <adalal> Anyone here knows to reload the unity systray after editing gsettings?
[12:25] <pvh_sa> thanks adalal, but that only shows me the 'alternate install CD'
[12:27] <adalal> pvh_sa: sorry, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20110405/
[12:27] <adalal> try that
[12:30] <pvh_sa> adalal, thanks - and for the CD, instead of the DVD?
[12:32] <blarn> well I've hosed it already
[12:32] <blarn> gnome3 is somehow half-installed
[12:32] <adalal> for pvh_sa for some reason, i dont see a CD :S
[12:33] <pvh_sa> adalal, maybe the build failed today or something...
[12:33] <adalal> pvh_sa: try searching on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:33] <adalal> pvh_sa: for any of the natty builds
[12:37] <yofel> pvh_sa: yes, the current builds fail, you'll have to wait
[13:05] <bullgard4> Why did Natty install an entry »postfix:x:121:« in my /etc/group?
[13:06] <ohsix> because it is in one of the postints of a package, probably postfix
[13:06] <ohsix> "natty" doesn't do anything but give the release a cute name
[13:06] <ohsix> dpkg actually does that with package instruction
[13:07] <bullgard4> Your answer is false.
[13:08] <bullgard4> If it was correct, Maverick would have installed the same entry which is not the case.
[13:09] <coz_>  good day all
[13:11] <Gent> Anyone here know of Natty is gonna ship with gnome3?
[13:11] <ohsix> bullgard4: did you install postfix on maverick? most people installed bsd-mailx when they had something that needed a mailer
[13:11] <ohsix> Gent: i see a package for it, dunno if its final
[13:11] <ohsix> bullgard4: and all my replies were true
[13:12] <LetoThe2nd> arand: ping
[13:12] <arand> LetoThe2nd: pong
[13:12] <LetoThe2nd> arand: are there already news concerning the btrfs issue?
[13:12] <arand> LetoThe2nd: I've been digging a lot into that bug, and it seems VERY intermittent :/
[13:13] <ohsix> issue?
[13:13] <LetoThe2nd> arand: observation here - yesterdays updates brought a new kernel and grub, so both dkms and update-grub were run. problem persisted.
[13:14] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Basically if I force reinstall the kernel, a couple of times, the filesystem *may* end up in a weird state where, which a subsequent btrfs-snapshot *may* resolve...
[13:14] <LetoThe2nd> arand: manually disabling /sbin/fsck.btrfs made the box at least boot again, though now of course i have no idea if the FS integrity is ok or not.
[13:15] <arand> ..weird state where grub-probe can't detect that it is a btrfs..
[13:15] <LetoThe2nd> arand: you wanted to know something about waht grub dtected, right?
[13:15] <ohsix> is there a bug # for this somewhere?
[13:16] <arand> This is mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/752506
[13:16] <arand> It's still very incomplete, due to the randomness of it...
[13:16] <LetoThe2nd> arand: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/590727/
[13:17] <arand> LetoThe2nd: So it happened for you as well then? No rootflags=subvol=@
[13:17] <LetoThe2nd> arand: you're involved in the development or also just affected by it?
[13:18] <arand> LetoThe2nd: I have no involvement in development no, but I try to follow it a bit
[13:18] <LetoThe2nd> arand: i see.
[13:18] <arand> Since btrfs in theory is pure awesomeness :>
[13:19] <LetoThe2nd> hehe.
[13:19] <ohsix> arand: thanks
[13:19] <ohsix> theories are great
[13:19] <LetoThe2nd> do you know if its ok to btrfsck / in use? or more like ext, where it's "don't touch it while its running"
[13:19] <ohsix> they get disproven
[13:20] <arand> LetoThe2nd: No, it's an offline tool, you could do it from a liveCD
[13:20] <birdthief> Hi
[13:20] <birdthief> I just upgraded to Natty
[13:20] <birdthief> and my touchpad no longer works
[13:21] <syn-ack> I'm sorry to hear that, birdthief.
[13:21] <birdthief> syn-ack: d'yknow anything I can do to fix it?
[13:21] <arand> LetoThe2nd: What kind of errors did you get with fsck.btrfs enabled? You weren't even able to bypass them using [I]
[13:22] <ohsix> birdthief: paste the entire output of dmesg to a pastebin
[13:22] <LetoThe2nd> arand: hmkay, then i'll stick with at at least working system for now.
[13:22] <delac> birdthief: does it work on login screen
[13:22] <birdthief> delac: no
[13:22] <birdthief> delac: Should I try one more time
[13:22] <LetoThe2nd> arand: yep, the box froze even with [I] and/or [C]
[13:22] <syn-ack> No. You really haven't said anything other than "it don't work"
[13:22] <ohsix> birdthief: and the output of lsinput
[13:22] <delac> birdthief: well, anyway, open gconf
[13:23] <birdthief> ohsix: lsinput isn't installed.
[13:23] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Also, btrfsck is purely read-only, so even if it found anything it couldn't actually fix it, you are aware I guess..
[13:23] <birdthief> shall I?
[13:23] <ohsix> birdthief: make it so
[13:23] <syn-ack> also, birdthief, does dmesg show the trac.... nm
[13:23] <LetoThe2nd> arand: i wasn't, thanks for the hint.
[13:24] <syn-ack> arand, is that only for the time being or is that how it's intended?
[13:24] <arand> LetoThe2nd: The btrfsck-proper is in the works, but...
[13:24] <delac> birdthief: after you get to the gconf, check that /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled is set to true
[13:24] <syn-ack> ah
[13:24] <arand> Yea, it's the main task of the main dev atm, so hopefully it should come along... at some point...
[13:24] <laura23_> hi folk! do you know if it is possible to install gnome 3 into ubuntu 11.04 beta?
[13:25] <ohsix> yes
[13:25] <laura23_> and how? i tried addind the ppa, then dist-upgrading... but i got broken packages :S
[13:25] <syn-ack> laura23_, Possible, yes, advisable, no.
[13:25] <laura23_> and never could log into gnome 3 :S
[13:25] <LetoThe2nd> arand: ah yes. we'll see what happens on this box. at least its usually no productive system, ths issue is just a little irksome because i'm on the road ATM.
[13:25] <birdthief> ohsix: http://pastebin.com/46MDwcyA
[13:25] <yofel> laura23_: if the dependencies are broken feel free to contact the team
[13:26] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Have you been able to get the grub.cfg back with corrrect boot parameters? Is that which you posted your current cfg?
[13:26] <LetoThe2nd> arand: what i posted is the current.
[13:26] <laura23_> yofel i've tryed 3 times in a clean installation of natty beta
[13:27] <ohsix> birdthief: hm lsinput sees an input device, now to just find out why it is being ignored
[13:27] <arand> And does it boot?
[13:27] <LetoThe2nd> arand: i'll be AFK soon again, not much time for further testing today. hopefully i can look into it more tomorrow, when i'm back at office.
[13:27] <birdthief> ok ohsix
[13:27] <ohsix> laura23_: don't add the ppa then & try the one in the repo
[13:27] <LetoThe2nd> arand: it does boot, if the /sbin/fsck.btrfs link is disabled.
[13:27] <laura23_> so after adding the package and updating, i did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (before doing sudo apt-get install gnome shell)
[13:28] <laura23_> i got a message saying something about gnome-icons-theme
[13:28] <delac> birdthief: I recommend checking this first: open gconf and check that /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled is set to true
[13:28] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Hmm, ok, have you used set-default on your btrfs then?
[13:28] <LetoThe2nd> arand: nope.
[13:29] <rwhittle> can i use the fonts.conf directory /etc/fonts.conf from natty and apply it to maverick ?
[13:29] <LetoThe2nd> arand: can you kind of take a mental note and ask me again tomorrow when i'm back?
[13:29] <arand> LetoThe2nd: If you just do a standard mount /dev/sda# /mnt   of your btrfs, what do you se?
[13:29] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Ok, sure :)
[13:30] <arand> LetoThe2nd: If you need to be off, I'll try to catch you then.
[13:30] <LetoThe2nd> arand: i'll ping you when i can spend a little more time on it :-)
[13:30] <LetoThe2nd> last thing for today:
[13:30] <LetoThe2nd> jd@caladan:/boot/grub$ mount | grep sda8
[13:30] <LetoThe2nd> /dev/sda8 on / type btrfs (rw)
[13:30] <LetoThe2nd> gone then... seeya.
[13:45] <Volkodav> anybody tried gnome 3 from ppa ? does it install ok ?
[13:46] <bullgard4> ohsix: On my Maverick computer the package »postfix« is installed although I did not install it by hand. '~$ which postfix; /usr/sbin/postfix'. The package »bsd-mailx« is installed as well.
[13:46] <sagaci> is a ppa even available yet
[13:46] <sagaci> >><<
[13:46] <marcus> is there a reason why daily only contains ppc builds atm?
[13:46] <Volkodav> sagaci: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3?field.series_filter=natty
[13:47] <arand> om26er: Are you using btrfs perchance?
[13:47] <sagaci> Volkodav, righteo
[13:47] <om26er> arand, yes / is on btrfs
[13:48] <Pici> bullgard4: In some cases you can use aptitude's why argument to determine why something was installed. i.e: aptitude why postifx
[13:48] <om26er> arand, known bug?
[13:48] <arand> om26er: I saw that recently, hmm..
[13:48] <Pici> bullgard4: of course, you'll need to spell the package name right. *postfix
[13:49] <ohsix> bullgard4: sounds like you have install recommends turned on, i didn't turn it off; but suggestions nevertheless aren't installed automatically, so bsd-mailx didn't pull in postfix
[13:50] <arand> om26er: What is your default subvolume, and do you have the rootflags=subvol=@ boot option in grub?
[13:50] <syn-ack> bullgard4, yep, because you installed something that required it as a dep and like Pici suggested use postfix to figure out why it was installed... I can probably figure out why though. LSB complacency
[13:50] <Pici> Lots of packages suggest or reccomend 'postfix | mail-transport-agent' in order to mail out alerts or similar.
[13:51] <syn-ack> man, my 20 month old so rocks.
[13:55] <om26er> arand, default it default is didn't change anything, also rootflags=subvol=@ is not in grub
[13:57] <arand> om26er: Ubuntu always need that to boot btrfs as it is setup by default, so add that after the "ro" option in your grub entry and you should at least be able to boot.
[13:58] <arand> om26er: Then try "grub-probe /" and see if it sees it as btrfs or not.
[13:58] <om26er> arand, rootflags=subvol=@ workkkkeeeeed
[13:58] <arand> om26er: =)
[13:59] <om26er> arand, thanks so very much, you saved my day :)
[13:59] <arand> om26er: What does "grub-probe /" give you?
[14:00] <om26er> arand, cannot find a grub drive for /dev/sda2
[14:00] <om26er> check your device map
[14:01] <arand> Hmm, that was yet a different error....
[14:03] <arand> om26er: sudo?
[14:03] <om26er> arand, hmm, 'btrfs'
[14:04] <arand> om26er: Ok, then it should've managed to fix itself, run "sudo update-grub" and the rootflags option will be added again.
[14:05] <om26er> and update-grub fixed it soooper
[14:06] <arand> om26er: I'm betting you saw the same bug. Something (possibly a kernel upgrade) made grub-probe unable to see / as btrfs, and thus omits the btrfs-option from the grub.cfg
[14:06] <om26er> yes there was a kenel update
[14:06] <arand> om26er: And since it is seemingly transient, you'll have to mind anytime you or upgrades run update-grub..
[14:06] <om26er> i can manage that I guess
[14:07] <arand> or just remember the boot option to put in in case
[14:08] <arand> I'm happy I found that my bug was a dupe, feel less lonely now :)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:15] <coz_> BluesKaj,  hey guy
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, in Gnome3 how can I change theme settings? I cannot find the changer anywhere. I found a command to change icon theme
[14:23] <birdthief> delac: It is set to enabled.
[14:24] <strider24> Hey, when can I expect the Gnome 3 build of Maverick?
[14:25] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, you got a link how i can get gnome3 for 11.04? :)
[14:25] <birdthief> ohsix: My touchpad is enabled in gconf
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[14:25] <thiebaude> thanks man
[14:26] <ohsix> birdthief: was it disabled before? it's not just a gconf key; its an input device, then X looks at it and sees if it's ok, then uses it
[14:26] <thiebaude> when i install it do i get a choice at log in?
[14:26] <ohsix> birdthief: run xinput list in a terminal, in X and see if it shows a pointing device
[14:26] <birdthief> ohsix: It wasn't disabled before
[14:26] <AnubArack> hai kids
[14:27] <AnubArack> oups wrong chat :(
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: i just get Ubuntu, Ubuntu no 3D, seems to upgrade Gnome rather than be a seperate option
[14:27] <ohsix> birdthief: i didn't say anything about checking that, it's not something that will change between upgrades
[14:27] <thiebaude> cool, cos im just using unity 2d
[14:27] <thiebaude> i can just change that to ubuntu :)
[14:30] <adit> test message
[14:32] <adit> a
[14:34] <bullgard4> Pici, syn-ack, ohsix Thank you for commenting and your help.
[14:35] <lars__> hi
[14:35] <lars__> jemand da
[14:37] <thiebaude> update manager wants to run a partial upgrade
[14:37] <arand> Don't
[14:37] <thiebaude> ok
[14:37] <arand> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434
[14:37] <thiebaude> it did that when i added the gnome3 ppa :)
[14:39] <arand> Hmm, well it may want to remove items due to dependency conflicts... But I'd be wary still.
[14:40] <thiebaude> thanks arand that article is good advice, i'll hold off on those
[14:40] <arand> Using aptitude full-upgrade and examining what it wants to do with "aptitude why package" and "why-not" can be useful
[14:41] <lars__> hello.
[14:41] <lars__> I dont want to use unity.
[14:41] <lars__> what can i do
[14:41] <thiebaude> use classic gnome
[14:41] <thiebaude> :)
[14:41] <lars__> yes but ubuntu 11.10 wont have it anymore
[14:42] <Pici> lars__: Says who?
[14:42] <lars__> many articles
[14:43] <lars__> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-1110-will-not-ship-with-classic.html
[14:43] <arand> Well the preferred is to have unity-2d for fallback for +2 I think, though I have no idea where the progress on that is.
[14:44] <Pici> lars__: I'd wait until 11.10's UDS is over to make any definative remarks about that.
[14:44] <arand> And I wouldn't trust webupd8 for news, by the way.
[14:44] <lars__> ok
[14:45] <lcb> lars__, on login dialog click on your user-name, type the password and check/select on the botom panel 'Ubuntu Classic'. You'll get what you want with an updated system, comparing with 10.10
[14:46] <lars__> i know :)
[14:46] <lars__> but i thought 11.10 doenst have it anymore
[14:46] <lars__> but okay i wait and seee :)
[14:47] <lcb> lars__, keep doing the updates/upgrades until the final release. then try again unity.
[14:48] <lcb> it's better than rollback what you did.
[14:48] <t0m_> Hello, has anyone tested Natty with multiple monitors?
[14:48] <lcb> yes
[14:48] <t0m_> lcb, is that to me?
[14:49] <lcb> t0m_,  if not working as you expect disable the proprietary drivers
[14:49] <BluesKaj> I had to install gnome desktop in order to boot my old compaq into 11.04 . the upgrade in kde failed and directed me to remove kubuntu-desktop , due to brokemn packages. I then did so  and install ubuntu-desktop , booted to the dwsktop successfully and updated , then install kbuntu-desktop , which now boots successfully as well, what a mess .
[14:50] <t0m_> so i get two screens, however things like compiz are not launched on both screens
[14:50] <t0m_> metacity works on both, but compiz won't
[14:50] <BluesKaj> does that make sense to anyone ?
[14:50] <thiebaude> i'll hold off on my gnome3 updates,lol
[14:50] <birdthief> ohsix:  Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad	id=10	[slave  keyboard
[14:50] <t0m_> and all the applets die when they're on the second screen
[14:50] <birdthief> comes up
[14:51] <ohsix> birdthief: hm i'm not sure what to do if they're both the same device
[14:51]  * thiebaude im not touching anything on this computer haha
[14:51] <birdthief> ohsix: hmmmm
[14:51] <lcb> t0m_, did you use 'Monitors' or $gksudo gnome-display-properties' and configured it correctly?
[14:51] <birdthief> ohsix: My keyboard is working fine
[14:51] <birdthief> :)
[14:52] <t0m_> i've upgraded from maverick
[14:52] <ohsix> birdthief: i gathered
[14:52] <birdthief> :)
[14:52] <lcb> t0m_, just now?
[14:52] <birdthief> well I could be using an external keyboard
[14:52] <t0m_> this morning
[14:53] <t0m_> I am using the proprietary nvidia driver and it has worked in all previous releases
[14:54] <t0m_> I'm just wondering if compiz has been modified to make it work with unity
[14:54] <birdthief> ohsix: I see someone installed libutouch-frame1 and got it working
[14:54] <lcb> t0m_, do alll updates/upgrades then run the recovery console (press shift after bios messages and before grub. then run clean, dpkg, grub and finally failsafeX. here select defaults.
[14:54] <birdthief> but it says mine is already in the latest version
[14:54] <birdthief> :/
[14:55] <ohsix> birdthief: is it completely dead? have you tried gestures or multiple fingers
[14:55] <birdthief> Yes
[14:55] <t0m_> lcb, okay,
[14:55] <birdthief> ohsix: It just stays.  THe click doesn't work either
[14:56] <lcb> t0m_, i would try then configuring things on classic desktop. before jumping on unity
[14:56] <t0m_> lcb, has anyone seen this working? I prepared to believe it is an "upgrade" issue
[14:56] <ohsix> birdthief: well there are lots of changes for multitouch but i've been mostly insulated from them as my touchpad isn't one
[14:56] <lcb> t0m_, there are several issues in need of attention, on same hardware that is happening
[14:56] <lcb> same/some
[14:57] <birdthief> ohsix: I don't even need multitouch
[14:57] <t0m_> lcb, i've created a new user and logged in
[14:57] <t0m_> still see the same fault
[14:57] <birdthief> ohsix: I just want to be able to use it without an external mouse
[14:57] <delac> birdthief: trying some easy alternatives: does the taouchpad have enable/disable button like FN-F? or like HP laptops have specialized button for that?
[14:57] <ohsix> birdthief: i understand, just saying i don't have more to offer
[14:57] <t0m_> there is no window manager running on the second screen with the "classic" mode, yet metacity (the classic, noeffects mode) does work
[14:57] <t0m_> however there are still issues with the indicator applets on the 0.1 screen
[14:57] <lcb> t0m_, reboted and did the dpkg packages fixing and the other things?
[14:58] <birdthief> delac: I've tried... AFAIK it wouldn't
[14:58] <lcb> you are quick
[14:58] <birdthief> ohsix:  That's Ok.  Thanks for your effort and help!
[14:58] <t0m_> lcb, okay, i'll try that
[14:58] <t0m_> lcb, currently the natty machine is the only one i have on me so I'll try and check back later
[14:59] <ohsix> birdthief: theres bound to be a test app for the multitouch stuff in there somewhere, chances are the touchpad is working, but the part that turns gestures/input from it into a mouse pointer isn't working
[15:00] <delac> birdthief: well then, have you gone through your bios settings?
[15:00] <birdthief> delac: You mean my grub config?
[15:00] <delac> ohsix: actually, there doesnt seem to be any touchpad device enabled on the laptop. at least I couldnt see any on the logs
[15:01] <ohsix> delac: well the kernel sees it and x sees it, yet no input
[15:01] <ohsix> delac: a lot has moved in the middle with multitouch
[15:01] <ohsix> middle being on top of x, doing gestures and them eventually getting into apps as input
[15:02] <delac> ohsix: what device you think is the touchpad?
[15:03] <ohsix> he posted the output of lsinput but i've lost the url in the shuffle
[15:03] <delac> birdthief: the bios is the underlying software that resides between hardware and the os. To get there you must boot your laptop and push special button
[15:03] <ohsix> delac: he's on a macbook
[15:04] <ohsix> http://pastebin.com/46MDwcyA device 7 / 9
[15:04] <delac> ohsix: they dont have bios?
[15:04] <ohsix> they do, but they don't do anything like you're describing
[15:05] <delac> ohsix: 7 is the external usb mouse and 9 is keyboard
[15:05] <delac> ohsix: no 8?
[15:06] <ohsix> you can see the name for 9 is truncated, and the output of xinput list can see the rest of it
[15:06] <ohsix> or at least displays it
[15:07] <ohsix> problem is 9 doesn't have EV_REL or any of the other input types for mouse movement as far as i understand it
[15:08] <ohsix> hmmmmmmmmm
[15:08] <ohsix> device 6 has ev_abs
[15:09] <ohsix> i ignored it cuz i thought it was a broadcom wireless thing
[15:09] <ohsix> but that is the touchpad
[15:09] <thiebaude> im trying to watch a movie dvd on ubuntu 11.04, any advice ?
[15:09] <delac> ohsix: me too, but it actually might be it
[15:10] <ohsix> thiebaude: run the script to install libdecss in libdvdread4 (dpkg -L libdvdread4, it's the .sh file)
[15:10] <thiebaude> thanks ohsix
[15:10] <ohsix> delac: but that doesn't get us anywhere, the kernel knows about it
[15:10] <ohsix> i gotta run, bbl
[15:11] <thiebaude> i typed that command in the terminal, nothing happened
[15:12] <delac> ohsix: it seems that older ubuntus have required a external ppa for it to work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840040
[15:12] <delac> birdthief: did you ever enable a external ppa to make the touchpad work?
[15:13] <ohsix> thiebaude: try sudo sh /usr/share/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[15:13] <thiebaude> ok
[15:13] <ohsix> delac: yea, but it worked before for him; and the output of lsinput shows that the driver is there already
[15:13] <delac> ohsix: oh, ok
[15:13] <thiebaude> No such file or directory
[15:13] <thiebaude> ohsix,
[15:13] <ohsix> arand: what were you doing with snapshots when you had your btrfs problem, is it possible that grub is confused about what origin it's actually supposed to be reading from?
[15:14] <ohsix> thiebaude: sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh sorry
[15:14] <thiebaude> ok :)
[15:15] <arand> ohsix: I'm not sure, grub-probe is invoked on the current mounted / and that shouldn't change... I really dont' know.
[15:16] <delac> ohsix: but doesnt the repository get disabled on upgrade? maybe the drivers didnt get updated?
[15:16] <ohsix> delac: thats assuming he installed one, and i dont see why he would, the driver has been in the kernel since 2008
[15:16] <delac> ohsix: well in that case...
[15:17] <ohsix> delac: but the multitouch stuff in natty is new
[15:18] <delac> ohsix: gues it's regression then. not much to do but report a bug and wait
[15:18] <thiebaude> ohsix, the quality of the movie is great :)
[15:18] <birdthief> delac: how would I enable the external ppa?
[15:19] <delac> birdthief: you probably shouldn't, as the drivers are on the kernel already. but you could report a bug
[15:20] <birdthief> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1694007
[15:20] <birdthief> the bug has been reported
[15:20] <birdthief> when I downgraded by Xserver, my computer wouldn't start
[15:20] <birdthief> :P
[15:24] <ohsix> delac: i dunno if its a regression, since theres new features in the middle this time around, i'm using ambiguous language because i don't know personally how they fit together :[ but that's where to look, all the underlying things beside say there is an input device
[15:27] <delac> ohsix: yes, the bug birdthief posted might be the culprit. cant really recommend anything but to wait for the patch
[15:28] <saege> hey, is there a way to show the unity start menu in 11.04 permanent, also when i have a maximized window?
[15:28] <delac> saege: you mean the Launcher on the left?
[15:29] <saege> yes, delac
[15:29] <delac> saege: do you have compiz-config-settings-manager installed?
[15:29] <ohsix> delac: that's for a synatpics device though
[15:30] <ohsix> birdthief: do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/utouch-frame/+bug/724051/comments/6 (evtest in particular)
[15:30] <ohsix> but with event6 instead of event7
[15:31] <saege> not yet, delac
[15:31] <saege> do i need it?
[15:31] <delac> saege: do you know how to use gconf?
[15:31] <ohsix> delac: those apple trackpads aren't pseudo multitouch either
[15:32] <saege> think so, used it a few times, delac
[15:33] <delac> saege: ok, then open the gconf-editor
[15:33] <saege> its open
[15:33] <saege> now?
[15:34] <ohsix> birdthief: there is a package to install a bunch of test programs for utouch that you can use to track down the problem
[15:34] <ohsix> birdthief: oddly enough it's called "utouch"
[15:34] <delac> saege: hang on...
[15:34] <ohsix> it installs a bunch of -tools and a -gesturetest program, that can be used to further narrow down the problem
[15:35] <saege> i'll be here, delac
[15:35] <ohsix> birdthief: as i've not got one myself this is where i have to leave you :[ you might track down the utouch developers for more pointers, but now you have everything you need to know to locate which part the problem is in and report the bug
[15:36] <ohsix> hm or not, theres a way to emulate a device with a normal pointer in one of those packages; but still, no time to look until tomorrow
[15:36] <mikehh> bah - just updated Kubuntu 11.04 amd64 and it does not want to re-boot (in ubuntu 11.04 i386 now)
[15:36] <delac> saege: go to apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options
[15:37] <michi_> hi
[15:37] <delac> saege: it's the launcher_hide_mode. i think you like the option number 0
[15:37] <saege> ok, its the launcher_hide_mode = 0, right, delac?
[15:37] <saege> yes :)
[15:38] <michi_> I've the problem that every now and then,when the screensaver is active, the password window doesn't pop up
[15:38] <michi_> killalling the screensaver doesn't help
[15:38] <saege> thank you, delac
[15:38] <nemo> hm. gnome 3 looks a lot like unity
[15:38] <nemo> I wonder if it is as buggy
[15:38] <nemo> I don't know if I'll care for it either
[15:39] <michi_> any ideas?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> nemo, i couldn't tell the diff on the webpages with screeenshots of gnome 3, but I just use gnome when I need to rescue my install ,when kde breaks
[15:41] <nemo> heh
[15:42] <nemo> BluesKaj: I still have KDE installed on a couple of machines
[15:42] <nemo> buuuut, dunno, kinda lost my taste for it
[15:42] <nemo> I used it for years though
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I know gnome is probly more mature due to the number of devs working on it but I prefer the kde "look"
[15:42] <michi_> btw, the laptop remains responsive - I can e.g. switch to a textconsole
[15:42] <nemo> of course, if these guys really piss me off, I might resort to it, or more likely XFCE4
[15:48] <michi_> playing with gnome-screensaver-command doesn't help, too
[15:49] <mikehh> dunno - I generally prefer the KDE interface, and use a lot of KDE apps, not sure about unity
[15:49] <thiebaude> i just use classic gnome :)
[15:49] <thiebaude> i dont like too much clicking around, something simple,lol
[15:50] <michi_> but killing compiz
[15:51] <mikehh> except I am having quite a few problems with Kubuntu 11.04 at the moment - I've had to re-install quite a few times, updates seem to break it for me every so often - like now
[15:52]  * thiebaude after 5 yrs of gnome-- i'm just use to it
[15:54] <mikehh> I keep trying both Kubuntu and ubuntu interfaces - like some aspects of each, but not all
[15:57] <GOMI> i got a problem , my machine keeps logging in . i think its my NVIDIA driver .  anybody knows how to FIX this ??
[15:57] <GOMI> at additional drivers under system -- administration   ,  i installed another one but it does not work
[15:58] <GOMI> it flashes sometimes then i need  to logging again
[15:59] <GOMI> anybody any ideas ??
[16:32] <t0m_> lcb, Hi, I'm back
[16:33] <t0m_> All is not well in the State of Compiz plus multiple monitors
[16:36]  * AnubArack lol
[16:38] <frybye> hi - I have a resource normally available on a usb external hard drive by executing the "start.exe" - I can display the contents of the drive but when trying to get wine to run the start exe it dosent work - any tips.. (ps there is no room to put this large resource on the natty partition itself...)
[16:41] <frybye> get fault report saying External exception in module ntdll or similar... (could not copy it unfortunatly.. always anoying..)
[16:43] <digitalfiz> erm i got this weird report a problem
[16:44] <digitalfiz> it said Banshee.exe closed unexpectedly is Banshee mono? not understanding the exe part
[16:48] <ninjai> this is the buggiest beta I've ever tested of ubuntu.
[16:48] <thiebaude> thats true for me too, been testing them since 6.06 :)
[16:49] <thiebaude> ninjai,
[16:49]  * genii-around thinks about the KDE3->KDE4 transitional period and shudders
[16:50] <charlie-tca> digitalfiz: is that because this beta1 would normally be called alpha?
[16:50]  * yofel used gnome during those times, kde 4.0 was a tech preview at best
[16:53] <digitalfiz> charlie-tca, huh?
[16:54] <digitalfiz> ninjai, i said the same thing
[16:54] <charlie-tca> They changed things a lot for this release, this would not yet be beta under the previous schedules
[16:55] <frybye> re- on a dual boot system I have a resource (now-) on a nfts partition which I am able to mount but via the natty gui do not seem to be able to change a start.exe to make it exectuable - any tips?
[16:55] <frybye> exectuable via wine that is..
[16:57] <jafa> just got a kernel irq-related call-trace in the log... __report_bad_irq.clone.2+0x2b/0xa0 - is it of interest to post more details? (beta1)
[16:58] <jafa> "irq 16: nobody cared", "Disabling IRQ #16"
[17:00] <jafa> might have been due to unplugging a usb3.0 connected hdd
[17:12] <rye> anybody experienced "The disc drive for / is not ready yet or not present" after the latest updates?
[17:13] <thiebaude> anyway to get rid of the gnome3 ppa through the terminal?
[17:13] <thiebaude> it borked my system,lol
[17:14] <genii-around> thiebaude: remove it's file from the directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:14] <thiebaude> thanks genii-around
[17:14] <rye> thiebaude, the ppa entries are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ but the packages - you will need to remove them manually
[17:14] <thiebaude> ok cool
[17:16] <thiebaude> what is the command to get into that directory from a terminal?
[17:17] <mikehh> rye: yeah I got that problem - re-installed :-{
[17:17] <rye> mikehh, hmmm, today?
[17:18] <rye> thiebaude, you may want to install (sudo apt-get install ppa-purge)
[17:19] <thiebaude> thanks rye i'll do that now, im in irissi now cos it messed up
[17:19] <mikehh> rye: yesterday - Kubuntu 11.04 amd64 refused to re-boot after an update today, Ubuntu i386 seems ok at the moment
[17:19] <rye> thiebaude, then sudo ppa-purge ppa:group_or_user/ppa_name (replacing the relevant vars for gnome 3 ppa) - it will revert the packages and remove ppa
[17:20] <thiebaude> ok great
[17:28] <thiebaude> it did not work it said Failed to load session Ubuntu
[17:32] <thiebaude> I would just insatll ubuntu from the 11.04 live cd but i dont want nvidia drivers automatically installed during installation
[17:32] <thiebaude> install that is,lol
[17:47] <thiebaude> im having no luck getting rid of a gnome3 ppa from the terminal
[17:48] <rye> thiebaude, did ppa-purge remove the installed applications?
[17:48] <rye> thiebaude, and ppa entry itself?
[17:48] <thiebaude> yes i think it did then when i tried to log in it said failed to load session Ubuntu,rye
[17:48] <rye> hm, now I have even more fun, no mouse and keyboard reaction after restart
[17:49] <rye> thiebaude, try re-installing ubuntu-desktop meta-package
[17:49] <thiebaude> ok i try that thanks :)
[17:50] <thiebaude> brb
[17:54] <thiebaude> unable to locate meta-package and then it says ubuntu is already the newest version
[17:58] <thiebaude> what is a name of a terminal command to edit my sources.list?
[17:59] <ikonia> thiebaude: vi / nano / emacs
[17:59] <thiebaude> i'll tru nano, thanks ikonia
[18:00] <thiebaude> try
[18:02] <digitalfiz> can anyone help with this error im getting
[18:02] <digitalfiz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/590877/
[18:02] <digitalfiz> trying to update
[18:02] <thiebaude> clear
[18:03] <thiebaude> clear
[18:03] <thiebaude> opps
[18:03] <thiebaude> i think im just going to lay out different dvd's and choose which OS i want to use geez
[18:04] <nemo> digitalfiz: well. I guess you could remove that package?
[18:04] <nemo> digitalfiz: perhaps they changed which package owned it and the update is not working out this order
[18:05] <nemo> digitalfiz: maybe it'd be fine after reinstall
[18:05] <digitalfiz> remove quadrapassel?
[18:05] <nemo> yeah
[18:05] <rye> digitalfiz, that's a widespread issue
[18:05] <digitalfiz> its just a game i doubt id ever play it anyways haha
[18:07] <thiebaude> i think i will re-install 11.04 nad not mess with it no more
[18:08] <digitalfiz> nemo, that worked thanks
[18:09] <Tr3LoS> I have a serious problem with 11.04, I updated before 1 hour and it crashed when finishing installing. Then I tried to open Home folder and nautilus crashed also. I restarted and it says: "he disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present Continue to wait; or Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery." I also cant recover or use previous Versions. Can any1 help me?
[18:11] <rye> Tr3LoS, i have the same issue
[18:12] <Tr3LoS> rye, Do you have a clue on what to do?
[18:12] <rye> Tr3LoS, you can get further than that by going to Manual recovery abd launching mountall, but after that the keyboard and mouse may not work, but ymmv
[18:13] <Tr3LoS> ok I will try it, did it work for you rye?
[18:14] <rye> Tr3LoS, i am now using external keyoard
[18:15] <thiebaude> thanks guys for trying to help, i'll go ahead and re-install and bbl :) cheers
[18:29] <rye> digitalfiz, an upgade for branding and quadraparsel has just arrived
[18:30] <Jackneill> hi
[18:30] <rye> ok, my bug #753817, in case somebody experiences the same
[18:32] <sense> There was an update to udev for Natty today and now my system won't boot anymore because all udev's processes exit with status 1 during boot. Any idea how to work around this?
[18:39] <rye> sense, you can get further than that by going to Manual recovery abd launching mountall, but after that the keyboard and mouse may not work
[18:39] <sense> rye: Recovery mode has the same problem: at a certain moment it stops loading and just waits idly.
[18:40] <rye> sense, it worked for me so far but it is not really a solution, looks like udev breaks xorg too
[18:40] <fisch246> i have an issue where, when i update in natty my wireless card stops working
[18:41] <rye> bug #753817
[18:41] <fisch246> well that's keyboard and touchpad...
[18:42] <sense> rye: That bug doesn't apply here, I'm afraid. I don't even get to GDM. It seems that mounting the harddisks fails because all udev processes crash earlier already with exit status 1.
[18:43] <sense> Though it does prove that the recent udev upload wasn't a very good one.
[18:43] <sense> Guess I'll have to wait for the update and install that using a chroot.
[18:43] <fisch246> well anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this?
[18:44] <fisch246> btw my wireless shows up in ifconfig
[18:45] <fisch246> well it says "eth1" but it has always called it that, and worked fine
[18:46] <fisch246> i was suppose to be grabbing something to eat with someone right now >.<
[18:46] <fisch246> but no wifi = get nothing done today
[18:47] <fisch246> ethernet card still works
[18:47] <rye> sense, bug #753853
[18:47] <rye> just filed one
[18:47] <sense> rye: Great, thank you. I'll look into that.
[18:48] <fisch246> i believe it's a broadcom card
[18:48] <rye> ok, need to go hopefully this is picked fast, otherwise we'll have a few bricked machines after upgrades roll out
[18:49] <sense> rye: Yeah, I think they should pull it from the archives until it's fixed.
[18:50] <Tr3LoS> mountall didnt work
[18:50] <fisch246> i've even restarted several times, and it still won't find any networks
[18:50] <fisch246> basically i update... then i restart...
[18:51] <fisch246> this has happened twice now
[18:51] <fisch246> in about a week
[18:51] <gordonjcp> I was thinking about updating 11.04
[18:51] <gordonjcp> but I haven't figured out how to kill grub2 yet
[18:52] <nlsthzn> not getting any sounds when being pinged in empathy or x-chat etc... any ideas why? (using natty of course) :)
[18:52] <Tr3LoS> anyone can help me? I restart after updating 11.04 beta (which crashed update-manager and nautilus and ....) and it says that / is not mounted or unavailable
[18:52] <gordonjcp> previously whenever I updated 11.04 grub2 came along and blew away my bootloader
[18:52] <sense> nlsthzn: I believe there was an update to fix that today.
[18:52] <gordonjcp> in a rather rude Windows-like way
[18:52] <sense> Tr3LoS: Look at bug #753853, it seems that this is going to be hard to fix.
[18:52] <sense> to work around
[18:52] <nlsthzn> sense: weird, fully updated as of a few minutes ago...
[18:53] <fisch246> well i guess i should file a bug report
[18:53] <Tr3LoS> thank you, I will check it out
[18:53] <sense> nlsthzn: Then maybe the update broke it.
[18:53] <sense> nlsthzn: What sound theme have you selected?
[18:53] <nlsthzn> sense: haha... default
[18:53] <fisch246> mmk brb
[18:53] <sense> nlsthzn: Isn't that Ubuntu?
[18:54] <sense> wait
[18:54] <nlsthzn> sense: think so
[18:54] <sense> nvm
[18:54] <nlsthzn> sense: yup, is ubuntu
[18:54] <sense> nlsthzn: Did you use to have sounds in Empathy before?
[18:54] <nlsthzn> sense: I think so... must have cause it is only a pain at the moment :)
[18:55] <sense> nlsthzn: Just to make sure, you have checked the settings for sound alerts in Empathy?
[18:55] <sense> Empathy->Edit->Preferences
[18:56] <nlsthzn> sense: all looks well... but it is also the same in xchat
[18:56] <sense> strange
[18:56] <nlsthzn> sense: no matter... will figure it out
[18:56] <sense> nlsthzn: ok, good luck!
[18:57] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:05] <timing> Hi, my most recent kernel stalls my keyboard and mouse at gdm. I was able to reboot to an older kernel, running an update now. Is this a known issue?
[19:11] <sense> timing: could be bug #753817
[19:12] <Tr3LoS> so, if a fix come out for the boot problem which doest recognise / , what should I do to update?
[19:13] <sense> Tr3LoS: Did you also have a crash during the update today because of branding-update? It seems that that crash may have screwed things up.
[19:14] <Tr3LoS> yup, it happened some hours ago
[19:16] <sense> Tr3LoS: Not sure if there is an easy way to solve this. But maybe you could find a way to reinstall udev, that could help.
[19:16] <Tr3LoS> I dunno how to do that, I am novice in Ubuntu:/
[19:17] <sense> Tr3LoS: It seems that this problem can be solved by using chroot from a live cd or live usb stick to run the dpkg --configure -a command, but you do need to know how to use that.
[19:17] <timing> sense: great thanks! can you see if it's fixed? I have text-only now
[19:17] <timing> O it's undecided,new. too bad
[19:18] <sense> timing: Can you run commands? Try dpkg --configure -a or apt-get install -f
[19:18] <Tr3LoS> I used dpkg --configure-a, when I started in restore mode
[19:18] <timing> sense: i'm running aptitude update now from shell
[19:20] <timing> I'll reboot in a few minutes and report back here and at launchpad
[19:20] <Tr3LoS> same here, I will try dpkg and apt-get install -f
[19:21] <timing> Tr3LoS: you have the same issue?
[19:21] <timing> or are you talking about something else?
[19:21] <Tr3LoS> no, mine crashed from the update today and it doesnt boot
[19:22] <nperry> anyone running the gnome3 ppa stack?
[19:22] <nperry> I'm gettin rying to overwrite '/usr/lib/mutter/Meta-3.0.typelib', which is also in package gir1.2-mutter-2.91 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build1
[19:23] <nperry> *trying
[19:28]  * yofel goes trying those gnome3 packages...
[19:48] <yofel> hm, doesn't gnome3 have a sane gtk theme or am I just doing something wrong?
[19:48] <yofel> (using the ppa)
[19:48] <gordonjcp> when I maximise a window the buttons move to the wrong side
[19:51] <Daekdroom> yofel, what do you mean?
[19:52] <guntbert> !controls | gordonjcp does that help?
[19:52] <yofel> Daekdroom: well, is gnome-terminal seriously supposed to look like this? http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/gt.png
[19:53] <Daekdroom> Not at all
[19:54] <Daekdroom> But what environment are you running? Unity? GNOME Shell?
[19:54] <yofel> gnome-shell from the ppa
[19:54] <yofel> just to give it a shot
[19:54] <Daekdroom> Try installing gnome-tweak-tool
[19:58] <Tr3LoS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/753853/comments/12 can any1 explain me how to do this with a live CD?
[19:59] <gordonjcp> guntbert: not especially
[19:59] <gordonjcp> guntbert: I moved them back, but I've obviously missed a setting somewhere
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Are you using unity?
[20:00] <gordonjcp> guntbert: it's one of the bugfixes I apply to every clean install of Ubuntu
[20:00] <gordonjcp> yeah
[20:00] <gordonjcp> since having the buttons on the left breaks stuff
[20:00] <gordonjcp> Ubuntu needs to hire some designers and UX people
[20:00] <Daekdroom> There is no way to move the window controls in the panel
[20:00] <Pici> gordonjcp: they did
[20:00] <gordonjcp> Pici: then they need to fire them, and hire some better ones
[20:01] <Tr3LoS> can some1 tell me how do run dpkg --configure -a under chroot?
[20:01] <Omega> Has anyone been getting a freeze lately when maximising a window?
[20:02] <Omega> It happened twice today.
[20:02] <guntbert> gordonjcp: no idea about unity here  - sorry
[20:03] <gordonjcp> guntbert: fair enough
[20:03] <gordonjcp> does anyone actually use Ubuntu with the buttons on the wrong side?
[20:04] <rhalff> uhm question, is it correct that I cannot switch to a console with ctrl + alt + function key anymore in the beta version of ubuntu ? I'm booting straight into X and I don't get a login shell on the other consoles
[20:05] <din> so i have natty installed, and am wondering how i add/remove icons to the unity compiz plugin bar on the left.
[20:05] <din> can someone point me in the right direction here?
[20:05] <Daekdroom> din, right click them
[20:05] <trism> din: you can add new ones by dragging .desktop files to the panel
[20:05] <trism> din: err, launcher
[20:05] <din> trism: thanks.
[20:05] <din> nifty.
[20:08] <gordonjcp> is there a way to make empathy take less space up?
[20:08] <Omega> rhalff: You should be able to switch to a TTY (I'm in one right now)
[20:09] <gordonjcp> I don't actually need a silly little speech bubble that takes twice as much space as the line of text it contains
[20:14] <rhalff> Omega, I think my install is just broken, will try again :-) or otherwise hardware is broken
[20:25] <rye> rhalff, same here, looks like vts are not runing getty
[20:25] <rye> so many things broke today
[20:25] <syn-ack> Good thing I haven't updated yet today
[20:26] <ninjai> man, i've updated a slew of stuff twice today
[20:26] <dotted_> does anyone else have issues with huawei e1752 3g modems disconnecting often in natty?
[20:27] <Dart> is there a way to sort software center apps rating wise?
[20:27] <syn-ack> hrm, I wonder if /etc/inittab still controls gettys in Ubuntu
[20:27] <syn-ack> anyone happen to know?
[20:28] <rye> syn-ack, no
[20:28] <rye> syn-ack, etc/init/tty1.conf
[20:28] <syn-ack> That's a shame
[20:29] <thiebaude> what is overlay-scrollbar in 11.04?
[20:30] <syn-ack> rye that's basically been turned into an upstart job...
[20:32] <rye> i came with a good news!
[20:33] <rye> so, the failure to boot is not related to udev changes, it is related to some package that pervented apt from installing the complete suite of udev libraries
[20:33] <rye> i now have the control of the keyboard and mouse
[20:33] <rye> syn-ack, yes, upstart jobs for all the ttys
[20:34] <rye> ah, sense has already figured this out :)
[20:51] <censor> hi all
[20:51] <censor> i'm trying to get Unity to work on natty a3 with gnome 3 from the gnome-team ppa
[20:52] <censor> but my X always crashes...
[20:52] <censor> i'm using a nvidia gt220 with the 270.30 drivers
[20:52] <censor> not much i can see, as there's always this fullscreen overlay telling me i have to log out
[20:53] <krosenvold> Did something just break badly with the latest updates ? I halt quite early in the boot process
[20:53] <censor> but one thing i was able to see when trying "unity --reset" was that the unity-panel-service isn't running
[20:54] <Daekdroom> censor, as far as I know, GNOME3 PPA breaks Unity.
[20:54] <censor> oh, alright
[20:54] <censor> gnome3 is nice enough for itself ;)
[20:54] <censor> guess i'll just sit this one out then
[20:55] <censor> cheers guys, keep it up! really looking forward to final =)
[21:04] <genii-around> So many updates today
[21:15] <ooki2day__> *hello
[21:15] <ooki2day__> help me, pls
[21:15] <ooki2day__> I was restart my system. and i get message about crash plasma
[21:15] <ooki2day__> each reloading I obtain the message about a crash
[21:15] <LinuxFetus> Hey when I run the update manager I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/9WR38WNg I'm running Natty 32-bit.
[21:16] <ooki2day__> login is norm, kde load norm, but at enter to system, I got a message about crash
[21:16] <ooki2day__> no widgets. panels not start
[21:16] <ooki2day__> only willpaper
[21:16] <ooki2day__> and i can't run properities(when I try to click at right buttom in mause)
[21:16] <ooki2day__> this bug was appeared when I updated system
[21:16] <ooki2day__> kubuntu 11.04
[21:17] <Vincenzo> hi
[21:18] <yofel> ooki2day__: can you press alt+f2, run plasma-desktop, and see if that still crashes?
[21:19] <yofel> LinuxFetus: delete the mentioned file and try again
[21:19] <ooki2day__> yofel: a got crash gagin(
[21:19] <yofel> ooki2day__: can you get a backtrace?
[21:19] <ooki2day__> *again
[21:20] <yofel> from the developer information tab
[21:20] <ooki2day__> yofel: what is this?
[21:20] <ooki2day__> yofel: it's the cod?
[21:20] <yofel> ooki2day__: a trace that shows what failed where, as plasma is a mix of the desktop and all the running applets
[21:20] <yofel> you'll need the debugging symbols installed though
[21:21] <ooki2day__> yofel: 140 strings
[21:21] <yofel> can you pastebin what it says?
[21:21] <yofel> !paste
[21:21] <ooki2day__> yofel: or you want this: Thread 1 (Thread 0xb60ac720 (LWP 2704)):
[21:21] <ooki2day__> [KCrash Handler]
[21:21] <yofel> ooki2day__: all below that
[21:22] <ooki2day__> yofel:  write !paste and cod?
[21:23] <yofel> ooki2day__: no, read what ubottu said
[21:23] <ooki2day__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/590960/
[21:26] <LinuxFetus> yofel, I did that one.  And it gave a similar error message for a different file, and another... I tried removing several but it keeps giving errors : http://pastebin.com/YpLsR17A
[21:26] <yofel> LinuxFetus: then just remove all files in the folder, apt-get will recreate them
[21:27] <yofel> ooki2day__: thanks, looking
[21:27] <ooki2day__> yofel: waiting)
[21:30] <ooki2day__> #7 0x002e3b28 - it's string number and error?
[21:30] <svu> dpkg-maintenance-helper: error: couln't identify the package
[21:30] <svu> what could that be?
[21:30] <svu> trying to upgrade from 1010
[21:31] <yofel> ooki2day__: well, the first number is the layer in the stack where the called function is currently, then the binary position number and then the actual function name that was called by the program
[21:31] <yofel> hm, can't get kdeµblog to crash here though...
[21:34] <ooki2day__> yofel: plasma can't get kdeublog?
[21:34] <yofel> ooki2day__: do you have all updates installed? If yes you should file a bug
[21:34] <yofel> ooki2day__: well, plasma crashes when showing the applet it seems
[21:35] <ooki2day__> yofel: I was installed all updates, but I can't get update from launchpad.net
[21:36] <yofel> what did launchpad say?
[21:36] <ooki2day__> 404 not found
[21:37] <ooki2day__> yofel: I was update from archive.ubuntu.com
[21:37] <yofel> then you have a source added that doesn't exist, remove it
[21:37] <yofel> or your package cache is out of date, refresh it
[21:38] <ooki2day__> I was refreshed at few minutes ago
[21:39] <ooki2day__> *did)
[21:43] <ooki2day__> yofel: today updated system and was obtained the bug
[21:45] <ooki2day__> yofel: may be a can delete kdeublog and bug will fixed?
[21:46] <yofel> probably, I'm not exactly sure how to do that though, probably edit one of the plasma settings files in ~/.kde/share/config
[21:49] <ooki2day__> where is .kde?
[21:49] <yofel> home folder, that's what the tilde means
[21:51] <ooki2day__> can't find
[21:54] <yofel> ooki2day__: folders with a dot are hidden by default, you'll have to edit the path manually in dolphin
[21:57] <ooki2day__> yofel: what file I need?
[21:58] <ooki2day__> yofel: plasma-desktop-appletsrc?
[21:58] <yofel> probably
[21:58] <yofel> not sure, It's been months since I edited something by hand there
[22:03] <ooki2day__> yofel: I can't find kdeublog in plasma-files
[22:04] <searayman> can somone help me get mlb.tv to work in ubuntu?
[22:13] <stefg> !flash | searayman
[22:13] <searayman> stefg: thnks but flash is installed....
[22:14] <ceed^> I'm having this really annoying problem that certain problems aren't opening in the Unity launcher. They show the first time I run them, but the next time they don't. Two examples are Opera and Xchat. Any ideas why this happens?
[22:15] <stefg> searayman: as an european i have nothing to do with baseball :-) so what besides flash does that nedd ?
[22:16] <searayman> stefg: no idea, i was reading things on how to gegt it to work in years past, but i have seen nothign for the 2011 season
[22:16] <stefg> searayman: so what does not work? no video? no sound? no access?
[22:17] <yofel> ooki2day__: could be called mircoblogging or so, I don't have the applet enabled here usualyl
[22:17] <yofel> *usually
[22:17] <searayman> no video it just stuck loading....
[22:17] <searayman> stefg: the video just never loads
[22:21] <stefg> searayman: AFAICS they just use flash... so shouldn't be a big deal if e.g. youtube is working
[22:21] <searayman> stefg: yea thats what I thought
[22:21] <searayman> stefg: how do i replace firefox with firefox 4 on natty mayeb tht will help
[22:21] <searayman> stefg: i downloaded and extracted but i dont know how to make a custom launcher in Natty
[22:22] <stefg> searayman: i just watched the trailer inside my virtualbox natty install... do you have a 64-bit install?
[22:23] <Logan_> !ff4 | searayman
[22:23] <searayman> stefg: nope....most videos on mlb.com work just cant load a game it just loads and loas
[22:23] <searayman> stefg: could I have conflicting plugins?
[22:23] <stefg> searayman: don't use tarballs ... firefox 4 is available from the mozillateam/firefox-stable ppa
[22:24] <searayman> stefg: just tried and didnt work
[22:24] <searayman> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:25] <stefg> searayman: natty has ff4 ... so of course it's not in the pa
[22:25] <searayman> stefg: reall i didnt think mine is runnign firefox 4
[22:26] <searayman> stefg: it does your right, i just dont see the icon for the new tab feature
[22:27] <searayman> trying to wathc a game on ff4 stefg will see if it works it didnt work earlier though
[22:27] <searayman> stefg: coudl i have liek the wrong version of flash?
[22:29] <stefg> searayman: no...  i think it's just that they need some separate application for certain features quote: All MLB.TV features not available on all devices. Separate purchase of applicable MLB.com At Bat™ application may be required
[22:29] <searayman> stefg: yea i pay for n ccoutn to watch the games
[22:31] <stefg> searayman: it might be that hi-def content is problematic.... compiz, flash , betas and weak hardware (embedded video) don't go well together
[22:31] <searayman> how can i turn compiz off?
[22:32] <searayman> i can use unity without compiz right?
[22:32] <zniavre> !paste
[22:32] <stefg> searayman: there's some replacement , unity 2d
[22:33] <searayman> stefg: how do i switch to unity 2d?
[22:34] <stefg> searayman: frankly: i don't know... i only just installed natty in virtualbox. on lucid and maverick it's a tab in the appearances control applet, but i haven't found that in natty
[22:34] <searayman> k i am goign to logg out and see if its another session be back later
[22:34] <searayman> thanks for your help thus far
[22:35] <stefg> searayman: you could try metacity --replace in the cli .... but that might well crash the system
[22:37] <Daekdroom> searayman, stefg, install the unity-2d package and select it at the login screen
[22:42] <pwuertz> hi, how do I get rid of this new behavior for application main-menus appearing in the top panel?
[22:42] <Daekdroom> pwuertz, use classic gnome over unity.
[22:42] <pwuertz> Daekdroom, I do
[22:42] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[22:42] <Daekdroom> then "unlock" the menu applet from the panel and remove it
[22:43] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure about the actual wording in the right-click menu, tho
[22:43] <pwuertz> Daekdroom, ah ok ^^
[22:43] <pwuertz> Daekdroom, I was afraid to loose the menus all together ^^
[22:44] <Chipaca> hi all
[22:44] <delac> pwuertz: you can get them back to the panel by adding the panel item "indicator-appmenu"
[22:45] <Chipaca> my work notebook refuses to boot. help?
[22:45] <pwuertz> I don't know why canonical decided to do this.. but using this netbook desktop for regular desktops is a bad idea IMHO
[22:45] <Chipaca> more specifically
[22:46] <Chipaca> x comes up, and freezes
[22:46] <pwuertz> if you got a large screen, you gain virtually no additional space from removing the menus.. but you have to travel a long way until you reach the menu on the top if your application is somewhere at the lower right
[22:47] <Chipaca> recovery mode freezes also
[22:48] <Chipaca> init=/bin/bash, also
[22:48] <Daekdroom> pwuertz, personally I believe that non-maximized window menubars should go to the window title bar.
[22:48] <Daekdroom> Like Chrome's and Firefox's and Opera's and all that
[22:49] <delac> indeed that would be quite sensible
[22:50] <pwuertz> Daekdroom, this is basically why canonical has chosen unity over gnome3, right? the gnome-folk did not agree on moving the menubars to the panel
[22:50] <Daekdroom> Nah.
[22:50] <Daekdroom> It goes way beyond that.
[22:50] <Daekdroom> Or atleast that's what they've been telling us.
[22:52] <delac> most likely it's not a single thing. But I do hope they find common ground soon.
[22:53] <pwuertz> from the looks, there is not much of a difference between gnome3 and unity.. I did't try to use it that much though until changing back to gnome-classic ^^
[22:53] <skyjumper> bottom of gnome.org, "Hosted by Canonical"
[22:54] <skyjumper> can't be too much bad blood
[22:55]  * Crashbit installing archlinux ... please wait a moment
[22:56] <ubuntu4shane> is it possible to upgrade to natty from maverick in the beta release?
[22:56] <Daekdroom> Yes
[22:56] <Crashbit> sorry
[22:57] <delac> but I would recommend trying live- cd or usb-stick before doing that. there are some critical bugs still around
[22:57] <delac> and read the release notes carefully
[22:58] <pwuertz> the installer did not mention that booting from btrfs is still not possible
[22:59] <ubuntu4shane> delac: I'm backing up before diving in, but need some serious bleeding edge ati drivers stuff, Radeon HD3100.
[23:01] <delac> well, then you probably should try live-cd or usb beforehand
[23:01] <delac> if you are unsure about them working
[23:05] <ubuntu4shane> delac: on the schedule I didn't see the RC release date, is that now called the beta2?
[23:06] <ubuntu4shane> I always used to upgrade to the RC, and live with the errors,
[23:06] <ubuntu4shane> where do I find the release notes?
[23:07] <delac> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[23:07] <Pici> ubuntu4shane: Looks like beta 2 is replacing the RC.
[23:07] <ubuntu4shane> that is kind of what I figured.
[23:08] <ubuntu4shane> Pici: you are in a lot of rooms. :)
[23:08] <Chr|s> Pici: beta 2 is out?
[23:08] <Chr|s> ahh nvm
[23:08] <Pici> ubuntu4shane: About 60, most of them Ubuntu related.
[23:09] <ubuntu4shane> Pici: right, because I usually only am in *buntu rooms, and run into you a lot.l
[23:09] <Chr|s> 60 ubuntu channels? hmm
[23:09] <maco> im only on 20 ubuntu channels now
[23:10] <ubuntu4shane> I don't ever do more than 3 or 4
[23:10] <Daekdroom> I'm on 3 ubuntu channels.
[23:11] <ubuntu4shane> wow, we are moving from Rythmbox to Banshee?
[23:11] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[23:11] <Daekdroom> Personally, I ditched both for Clementine :P
[23:13] <delac> Foobar2000 is what I use. Only player that has decent fade settings.
[23:13] <Daekdroom> I thought that was Windows-only
[23:14] <delac> ever heard of Wine?
[23:14] <Daekdroom> Ever heard of poor integration?
[23:15] <delac> actually, for some reason the Foobar seems to "integrate" best. At least it was easiest to get frequencies set appropriately.
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Integrate to the desktop.
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Interface etc
[23:16] <delac> what I mean is, that it reproduces the frequencies correctly
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[23:16] <delac> well, that doesnt matter so much as the quality of music
[23:17] <skyjumper> you can do a system-wide equalizer with 'pulseaudio-equalizer'
[23:17] <delac> no, not that kind of frequency setting
[23:17] <delac> it was some proble with resampling
[23:17] <delac> problem*
[23:18] <ubuntu4shane> ahh, looking at the schedule, beta 2 won't be out for another week?  is that correct?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> ubuntu4shane: yes
[23:19] <ubuntu4shane> with just a week away, it  is still tempting
[23:41] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:49] <jedix> Hey, ubuntu 11.04 beta 1 has broken adobe flash sound in chromium, turning off gpu acceleration in the flash plugin fixes it.
[23:49] <jedix> is this just with nvidia binary blob drivers?