[00:09] <halpbatman> is there an off topic channel?
[00:09] <dotjosh> Soooo... I'm sure I'm not the first person asking, but I can't find the info anywhere.  How do I upgrade to gnome 3 on my ubuntu 10.10 desktop?
[00:13] <holstein> halpbatman: #ubuntu-beginners-team
[00:13] <halpbatman> holstein: thx
[00:13] <holstein> dotjosh: the only PPA ive seen is for natty
[00:14] <holstein> but i just found http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/install-vanilla-gnome-3-in-maverick/
[00:16] <dotjosh> hrm
[00:16] <dotjosh> and I was all excited to come home to install it
[00:16] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ricotz/testing
[00:16] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[00:16] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:17] <holstein> ^ do that at your own risk though
[00:17] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing
[00:17] <holstein> dotjosh: ^
[00:19] <dotjosh> is that the final gnome 3 version?
[00:19] <holstein> GNOME3 (included on 2011-03-23)
[00:20] <holstein> i mean, you can always DL and build it
[00:20] <dotjosh> I'm pretty new to linux...
[00:21] <holstein> dotjosh: actually
[00:21] <holstein> the link i gave you earlier
[00:21] <holstein> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/install-vanilla-gnome-3-in-maverick/
[00:21] <holstein> they are suggesting a different PPA
[00:21] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gnome3-builds
[00:21] <holstein> dotjosh: i would start by reading that link
[00:22] <holstein> then maybe look for a live CD with gnome3 on it
[00:22] <holstein> try that and see if you want to bother
[00:27] <dotjosh> anyone know if there will be an "Easy" way to upgrade at some point in the near future?
[00:28] <holstein> dotjosh: PPA would be the easy way
[00:28] <holstein> you wont see an upgrade
[00:28] <holstein> in lucid or maverick
[00:29] <holstein> probably not natty either
[00:29] <holstein> maybe a backport*
[00:40] <coz_>  good day all
[01:56] <thewrath> hello all!
[02:08] <coz_> good day all
[02:35] <thewrath> duanedesign or cprofitt you there?
[05:11] <tehroflmaoer> can someone help me with this unusually long boot time I'm having?
[05:11] <UndiFineD> tehroflmaoer, yes
[05:12] <UndiFineD> there is a package in the repositories called bum (boot up manager)
[05:12] <tehroflmaoer> on startup, it hangs on a blinking cursor for at least three minutes before the splash screen loads
[05:12] <tehroflmaoer> how do I check that?
[05:13] <UndiFineD> it is available through Ubuntu Software center and Synaptic
[05:13] <holstein> UndiFineD: nice tip :)
[05:13] <holstein> !bum
[05:13] <UndiFineD> in those 3 minutes, servers are being started, some of which you may not even use / need
[05:14] <tehroflmaoer> I don't have it installed
[05:14] <holstein> tehroflmaoer: you can install it
[05:14] <holstein> via synaptic
[05:14] <holstein> or the software center
[05:15] <tehroflmaoer> ok I installed it and ran it, what should I do with this?
[05:16] <UndiFineD> it will tell you what services are running and others that are available
[05:17] <UndiFineD> by checking and unchecking you can change the way your system boots up
[05:18] <UndiFineD> it is installed in System -> Administration -> Boot-up Manager
[05:18] <tehroflmaoer> I don't think the problem is with the services, I haven't installed anything recently that would load at boot
[05:19] <holstein> tehroflmaoer: why do you say recently?
[05:19] <holstein> is this a new thing?
[05:19] <holstein> it used to boot fast
[05:19] <holstein> and now it boots slow?
[05:19] <tehroflmaoer> yeah, it used to boot in <45 seconds
[05:20] <holstein> when?
[05:20] <holstein> what did you update?
[05:20] <tehroflmaoer> I didn't update anything
[05:20] <tehroflmaoer> I think it might be because I tried suspending, and I'm using a wubi install
[05:20] <tehroflmaoer> but I've used suspend previously and had no troubles
[05:21] <tehroflmaoer> I'm not sure if suspend is still broken in wubi or not
[05:21] <holstein> tehroflmaoer: i would check for updates
[05:21] <holstein> run them
[05:21] <holstein> reboot
[05:21] <holstein> and go from there
[05:21] <tehroflmaoer> ok I'll do that now
[05:22] <UndiFineD> another way to see what is keeping you from booting faster id bootchart, but that is demanding resources during boot itself too
[05:24] <UndiFineD> here is an example of my system
[05:24] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/a/head-maverick-20110216-2.png
[05:26] <tehroflmaoer> I guess I'll install that once I'm done upgrading
[05:35] <tehroflmaoer> it just started fine, I'm going to try another reboot to see if it will boot quickly again
[05:40] <tehroflmaoer> ok well it seems fine now... I guess I just had to update
[05:40] <tehroflmaoer> thanks guys for your help
[05:50] <UndiFineD> any time tehroflmaoer
[10:41] <AJH101> hi does anyone know how to uninstall a game from the humble indie bundle - revenge of the titans?
[10:43] <bioterror> world of goo just needed to run
[10:43] <bioterror> ./file
[10:45] <AJH101> bioterror: but how to i uninstall (please explain VERY SLOWLY!!! -) )?
[10:45] <bioterror> ahhh
[10:45] <bioterror> how did you install it?
[10:45] <bioterror> let's begin from there
[10:46] <AJH101> i used a .deb file to install
[10:46] <AJH101> but i cannot find it via the software centre
[10:46] <bioterror> dpkg -P package
[10:47] <bioterror> use tabkey to complete it's name
[10:47] <AJH101> sorry
[10:47] <AJH101> being blind
[10:47] <AJH101> looked again and it appears!
[10:47] <AJH101> thanks anyway!
[11:06] <ThePunisher60> hello everyone
[11:06] <ThePunisher60> i'm beginig with ubuntu
[11:06] <ThePunisher60> any advices for a poor beginner
[11:06] <ThePunisher60> ??
[11:07] <Puck`> hi ThePunisher60
[11:07] <Puck`> yes, of course, use the system, and collect questions (:
[11:07] <ThePunisher60> okay
[11:08] <ThePunisher60> and .. is there any tutorial on usual commands or some like that
[11:08] <ThePunisher60> ??
[11:14] <UndiFineD> hello ThePunisher60
[11:14] <UndiFineD> yes, what king of manual would you like
[11:14] <ThePunisher60> hello undifined
[11:14] <UndiFineD> what kind
[11:14] <ThePunisher60> for beginnerz
[11:14] <ThePunisher60> you know .; with the usual commands an stuff
[11:15] <UndiFineD> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[11:15] <UndiFineD> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[11:16] <UndiFineD> that last one is specific for commandline help
[11:16] <ThePunisher60> thnx undifined
[11:16] <UndiFineD> if you have any further questions, feel free to ask them here
[11:17] <ThePunisher60> thnx a lot bro
[13:09] <coz_>  good day all
[13:12] <MrChrisDruif> Hai coz_
[13:12] <coz_> MrChrisDruif,  hey guy
[13:12] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[13:14] <coz_> MrChrisDruif,  its going about the same as yesterday :) although today one guy  told me to stop saying good day in all the channels
[13:14] <coz_> :)
[13:14] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[13:15] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, better to do this in #ubuntu-beginners-team unless you've got a problem ofc :P
[13:16] <coz_> MrChrisDruif,  well I do support in a number of channels.. 12 channels on two servers... /amsg does the trick besides  copy and paste   and I only do it a couple times a day,, and not even everyday
[13:17] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah :)
[13:43] <celestial> hi everyone can anyone tell me how to install cursors that arnt packed together like peice together my own sey i cant find info any where some have a .cur extention
[15:02] <Klight> Hello all, anyone good with wpasupplicant, I've got it installed okay and even got a connection, however now my headless server crashes (hangs) on shut down or reboot. I'm very new at all this so I thought I'd ask.
[17:39] <Daniel0108> I think I have problems with 11.04 :/
[17:41] <Daniel0108> wow, the new software center messed up my whole sources.list :P
[17:50] <Daniel0108> repogen ftw! :D
[18:38] <Nevada_> hello
[18:39] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Nevada_
[18:40] <Nevada___> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Netbook from USB flash drive (not USB stick) or from SanDisk. But it won't boot. Does someone has experience with that or can tell me where to find further help?
[18:41] <holstein> Nevada___: try formatting the stick
[18:41] <holstein> re-formatting
[18:41] <holstein> and try using unetbootin to make the stick
[18:41] <holstein> check the md5 sum of the iso too
[18:42] <holstein> and maybe think about trying the 11.04 version
[18:42] <holstein> since there will be no netbook remix anymore
[18:43] <Nevada___> well, it's not a stick, that's why I think it won't boot. So I should reformat the SanDisk?
[18:43] <holstein> Nevada___: thats what i would do
[18:43] <holstein> stick or no
[18:44] <xardas008> i have a very strange problem. when booting into windows xp everything is normal, booting into ubuntu i have no keyboard/mouse
[18:44] <holstein> after checking the md5 sum*
[18:44] <holstein> xardas008: is this a new development?
[18:44] <xardas008> since 5 minutes
[18:44] <xardas008> testet with ubuntu 10.10 normal and failsafe (failsafe tells me something about usb 1-4 read error) and even ubuntu 11.04
[18:44] <Nevada___> and I've got the download from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook/get-ubuntu/download - isn't it up to date?
[18:45] <xardas008> netbook remix should be up to date
[18:45] <holstein> Nevada___: ?
[18:45] <holstein> its about 2 weeks from being obsolete
[18:45] <holstein> the whole idea of a netbook remix
[18:45] <xardas008> booting into ubuntu 11.04 live iso everything is working, now i don't understand anything
[18:45] <holstein> the 10.10 netbook remix will be supported officially for a year
[18:46] <holstein> but, im suggesting to go ahead and move forward to 11.04
[18:46] <xardas008> holstein, not 18 month?
[18:46] <holstein> xardas008: sure
[18:46] <holstein> and we're 6 months into that
[18:46] <xardas008> ah ok
[18:46] <holstein> AH
[18:46] <holstein> i gotta run...
[18:46] <holstein> good luck guys
[18:46] <xardas008> bye
[18:46] <Nevada___> uh, thanks
[18:49] <xardas008> 11.04 is still in beta, so if it's not as import to install now, you could maybe wait until 28th april
[18:49] <xardas008> or install the netbook remix
[18:49] <michael_> can anyone help me with mass storage devices and ubntu?
[18:49] <michael_> ubuntu*
[18:49] <xardas008> michael_, maybe, depends on the problem you have
[18:50] <Nevada___> xardas008, so 10.10 would be fine, too? I'm a total beginner, and a little bit confused
[18:50] <xardas008> Nevada___, 10.10 is the current stable so would be the best choice for now
[18:51] <michael_> ok well the problem i have here is i have two flash drives. both made by the same company sandisk. they won't work unless there both plugged in. why is that?
[18:51] <Nevada___> okay, I'm formatting the Sandisk now.
[18:51] <bioterror> 10.10 now and a month after release of 11.04 you can "do-release-upgrade -d"
[18:51] <MrChrisDruif> xardas008: Depends on if Nevada___ wants to stay with a version for a long time
[18:51] <Nevada___> Yes, I think I can upgrade
[18:52] <MrChrisDruif> Then might LTS be a good choice :)
[18:52] <xardas008> MrChrisDruif, yeah but installing a beta now wouldn't be good i think, even for a beginner
[18:52] <MrChrisDruif> Especially, but indeed
[18:52] <bioterror> no lts
[18:52] <bioterror> it's old :D
[18:52] <xardas008> bioterror, old but stale
[18:52] <xardas008> stable*
[18:52] <MrChrisDruif> 10.04 is just a year old bioterror <_<"
[18:52] <bioterror> and 10.10 is not stable?
[18:53] <xardas008> bioterror, i didn't say that
[18:53] <MrChrisDruif> Sure, I'm not pulling that in question :P
[18:53] <bioterror> I still think lts is more targetted to companies running ubuntus, as they dont have to upgrade that much them
[18:54] <Nevada___> gosh, unable to find the "format this" button in windows
[18:54] <Nevada___> ah, there it is ^^""
[18:54] <xardas008> could also be good for normal users who don't want to upgrade too often
[18:54] <bioterror> but for a normal average joe, current version is more comfortable
[18:54] <Nevada___> FAT32 should do it?
[18:54] <xardas008> for what Nevada___ ?
[18:55] <xardas008> do you want to create a usb live iso?
[18:55] <Nevada___> for nothing more than to install Ubuntu from it
[18:55] <xardas008> you can use the tool which is described on the download page of ubuntu
[18:55] <xardas008> and also format the drive with that tool
[18:56] <Nevada___> Is that something like Universal USB Installer?
[18:56] <xardas008> yeah this one
[18:58] <gaurav_pawaskar> Hi guys...
[18:58] <bioterror> hi
[18:58] <gaurav_pawaskar> when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. it is deleting some of my source files
[18:59] <gaurav_pawaskar> need help.. trying packaging 1st time :)
[18:59] <gaurav_pawaskar> and i get "dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b randy-1.0 gave error exit status 2"
[19:00] <gaurav_pawaskar> anything if I am missing?
[19:00] <Nevada___> So, formatting. For booting from Sandisk I have to change boot order in BIOS, right? I'm not sure about the device which is used when I put in the Sandisk. There's USB Key, USB CD, USB zip, USB LS120..... which of those should be on top?
[19:00] <xardas008> gaurav_pawaskar, can you post more of you're error message using pastebin?
[19:00] <gaurav_pawaskar> sure
[19:02] <xardas008> Nevada___, i think you need to test that, try booting with one of the options at the first place, maybe you put all before the internal hard drives than he will find the correct one on his own i think
[19:02] <gaurav_pawaskar> xardas008: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590903/
[19:03] <Nevada___> okay, I'm doing that
[19:03] <gaurav_pawaskar> i have been following this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[19:06] <Nevada___> Antivir will block autorun.inf, when I use Universal USB Installer. Do I have to unblock it?
[19:07] <xardas008> it would be good to disable antivir for this procedure
[19:09] <Nevada___> ok, doing it again
[19:13] <Nevada___> it renamed the drive... convenient
[19:13] <xardas008> now you can stick it into the netbook and try it out
[19:13] <Nevada___> yep
[19:14] <Nevada___> it's loading windows, although I put everything named "USB ..." in the booting order before HDD
[19:15] <xardas008> can you choose you're drive with a key like F11 or F12?
[19:15] <xardas008> or maybe you need to try some times until he finds the boot media
[19:15] <Nevada___> That I don't know, it's a Samsung. Trying it again
[19:19] <Nevada___> BIOS is saying in the line of every "USB ..." that there is none
[19:19] <Nevada___> n/a
[19:20] <Nevada___> oops, repeating
[19:20] <Nevada___> BIOS is saying in the line of every "USB ..." that there is none, n/a
[19:21] <xardas008> that's not good
[19:22] <Nevada___> I will try with various other drives I have here, I'm quite positive it will work in the end
[19:24] <xardas008> can be a possibility, on my desktop computer the front usb works not good too, sometimes it works, sometimes not
[19:24] <xardas008> it's like playing poker
[19:27] <Nevada___> then wish me good luck ^^ I really don't want to have Windows on this netbook. I thank you for your help
[19:27] <xardas008> yeah windows + netbook = not good
[19:33] <MrChrisDruif> Good luck Nevada___
[19:33] <Nevada___> thanks ^^
[19:37] <MrChrisDruif> Nevada___: If Ubuntu still feels sluggish on the netbook, you could also try Lubuntu which is based on LXDE. Much lighter then Gnome
[19:39] <Nevada___> Unfortunately I have no idea. It's my very first experience with Ubuntu
[19:39] <Nevada___> But if it uhm, feels sluggish on the netbook, I will definately see into another option :)
[19:51] <xardas008> Nevada___, did the netbook boot into the usb stick now?
[19:53] <Nevada___> I want to format the flash drive beforehand. So right now I'm still seeing through the files
[20:04] <Nevada___> Does the Ubuntu installation keep Windows or can it also format the disk?
[20:05] <bioterror> depends what you're doing
[20:05] <bioterror> if you choose to install on whole disk, ofcourse it will be installed over windows
[20:08] <Nevada___> Ok, I will see that then
[20:09] <Nevada___> From other people I heard that they have an Ubuntu installation which is "unclean". What does that mean, clean and unclean installation?
[20:11] <MrChrisDruif> Unclean? Never heard of an unclean install
[20:16] <Nevada___> so they just confused a newby
[20:18] <xardas008> maybe they played to much with their installation?
[20:18] <Nevada___> may be. They said it's slow because installation's not been clean
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> I've had a slow Ubuntu after an upgrade
[20:34] <Nevada___> It's formatting now, and going to take a while
[21:15] <Nevada___> Well, that has been senseless. "Your USB drive won't be bootable"
[21:16] <holstein> Nevada___: whats the issue?
[21:16] <Nevada___> an error (1) occured while executing syslinux
[21:16]  * holstein just getting back
[21:16] <Nevada___> welcome back
[21:16] <holstein> Nevada___: did you try making the "stick" with unetbootin
[21:16] <holstein> ?
[21:17] <Nevada___> it's when I try to use Universal USB Installer on a freshly formatted USB flash drive / hard disk
[21:18] <Nevada___> it's okay, I guess, and won't work. The drive letter only shows up when I check "Show all drives (USE WITH CAUTION)"
[21:18] <holstein> unetbootin will make you a bootable USB
[21:18] <holstein> drive letter?
[21:18] <holstein> OH yeah
[21:18] <holstein> that makes sense
[21:19] <holstein> Nevada___: make sure you are getting the right drive though
[21:19] <holstein> i always double check with gparted
[21:19] <holstein> or sudo fdisk -l
[21:19] <Nevada___> yes, it's the right one. It's been renamed
[21:19] <Nevada___> Whatever, now I've got a formatted USB drive ^^ nice. I've got another one to try, it's my ipod
[21:19] <holstein> renamed?
[21:20] <holstein> try
[21:20] <Nevada___> renamed to "Install Ubuntu Netbook"
[21:20] <holstein> just formatting the thing
[21:20] <holstein> period
[21:20] <holstein> to fat32
[21:20] <holstein> with gparted
[21:20] <holstein> then, make the bootable media with unetbootin
[21:21] <holstein> that has worked for me on *lots* of USB devices
[21:21] <holstein> usb drives
[21:21] <holstein> sticks
[21:21] <holstein> cards
[21:21] <holstein> whatever
[21:21] <Nevada___> do you refer to my external USB drive hard disk thing or the ipod?
[21:21] <MrChrisDruif> Flood anyone? :P
[21:21] <Nevada___> For the external USB drive hard disk there's no option for FAT32, only NFTS
[21:21] <Nevada___> NTFS
[21:21] <holstein> Nevada___: any
[21:21] <holstein> Nevada___: fat32 is what you need
[21:22] <holstein> i dont know what you are using to format
[21:22] <holstein> but you can DL a gparted live disc
[21:22] <Nevada___> there's only NTFS and exFAT to chose in the dropdown
[21:22] <holstein> Nevada___: what drop down?
[21:22] <holstein> in windows?
[21:22] <Nevada___> yes, in the formatting menu
[21:22] <holstein> right
[21:22] <holstein> use *gparted*
[21:22] <holstein> to format the drive
[21:22] <holstein> then
[21:23] <holstein> dont rename it
[21:23] <holstein> just go right to unetbootin
[21:23] <holstein> or a live ubuntu disc
[21:23] <holstein> and make the bootable media
[21:23] <holstein> im fairly sure NTFS and exFAT will fail
[21:24] <holstein> OR you could google 'how to format fat32 with my windows version'
[21:24] <Nevada___> gparted, 130mb download?
[21:26] <holstein> Nevada___: i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[21:26] <holstein> has gparted in there
[21:26] <holstein> but, yeah that sounds right
[21:26] <holstein> Nevada___: however
[21:26] <holstein> if you cant make bootable media
[21:26] <holstein> you wont be able to use a gparted live CD
[21:26] <holstein> Nevada___: can you just burn a CD ?
[21:26] <holstein> and do that?
[21:26] <holstein> use*
[21:26] <Nevada___> I want to install Ubunto onto my netbook, it doesn't have a CD drive
[21:26] <holstein> Nevada___: so the answer is no then?
[21:26] <holstein> thats not an option?
[21:26] <holstein> you have no usb CD drives?
[21:27] <Nevada___> nope, none of them
[21:27] <holstein> Nevada___: is this windows 7?
[21:27] <Nevada___> Windows 7 here, Windows 7 starter on the netbook
[21:30] <holstein> http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm
[21:30] <holstein> i think you will have much more luck with fat32+unetbootin
[21:30] <Nevada___> I'm about to format... I just need to get the command right
[21:31] <Nevada___> "volume is too big for fat32
[21:32] <Nevada___> btw, booting from the Sandisk didn't work
[21:32] <holstein> Nevada___: ?
[21:32] <holstein> i dont know what 'the sandisk' is
[21:32] <holstein> but, you should be able to sort it out
[21:32] <holstein> i would try *not using the ipod
[21:33] <holstein> how big is the sandisk?
[21:33] <holstein> USB stick are really resonable now
[21:34] <Nevada___> I'm sorry. It's 4 GB
[21:34] <Nevada___> http://bilder.afterbuy.de/images/73956/sandisk_2gb_sd_card.jpg like that
[21:34] <holstein> Nevada___: 4gb's will be fine for fat32
[21:35] <Nevada___> yes, it's already fat32
[21:35] <Nevada___> It's not been recognized in BIOS as USB drive
[21:35] <holstein> it = 'the sandisk' ?
[21:35] <Nevada___> yes
[21:35] <holstein> the bios on ?
[21:35] <holstein> the netbook?
[21:35] <Nevada___> yes
[21:35] <holstein> does it boot cards?
[21:36] <Nevada___> apparently not ? I don't know
[21:36] <holstein> Nevada___: google is your friend
[21:36] <holstein> google " 'the exact model#' sd card boot"
[21:41] <Nevada___> there are no relevant results at all
[21:41] <holstein> Nevada___: whats the netbook?
[21:41] <Nevada___> Samsung n145
[21:43] <holstein> if i were you
[21:43] <holstein> i would go buy a stick
[21:43] <holstein> if you're anywhere near me, i'll give you one :)
[21:44] <Nevada___> Tomorrow I'll go get one from some friends
[21:44] <holstein> :)
[21:44] <holstein> i think thats the deal
[21:44] <Nevada___> I've got sticks, but 500mb, and that's not enough
[21:44] <holstein> from what i see
[21:44] <holstein> doesnt boot SD cards
[21:44] <holstein> and it doesnt have to
[21:44] <holstein> Nevada___: i would think 1 GB would be minimum
[21:45] <holstein> the iso's are usually CD sized
[21:45] <Nevada___> yes, I've seen that
[21:45] <holstein> you can do a netinstall in theory
[21:45] <holstein> but, its not trivial
[21:46] <Nevada___> Well then, Windows will last one day longer
[21:47] <Nevada___> Now I've got everything around me formatted, which is not bad
[21:47] <holstein> Nevada___: you can take the HD out
[21:47] <holstein> to another machine
[21:48] <Nevada___> I can take the Harddisk out? No ^^ I cannot do that
[21:48] <holstein> ?
[21:48] <holstein> well, you might not want to
[21:48] <holstein> but you can
[21:48] <holstein> im just giving you options
[21:49] <Nevada___> yes, very eager :)
[21:50] <Nevada___> thanks for your help, then, and xardas008_, too
[21:50] <xardas008_> np
[21:50] <holstein> sure :)
[21:50] <holstein> Nevada___: HEY
[21:50] <Nevada___> I'll try a bigger USB stick tomorrow. If nothing will work, I'll be back. Your support is nice
[21:50] <holstein> i have an SD card reader
[21:51] <holstein> its a USB SDcard reader
[21:51] <holstein> i found it at the charity shop for like 50 cents
[21:51] <holstein> i think they are cheap new though
[21:51] <holstein> thats another option
[21:51] <xardas008_> that's cheap yeah
[21:52] <Nevada___> mh, interesting. I may want to drop by the computer store tomorrow
[21:52] <xardas008_> my computer was near of been thrown out of the window today
[21:54] <holstein> xardas008_: :/
[21:54] <Nevada___> but it didn't get thrown out
[21:55] <kevin6888296> i have an sd card reader
[21:55] <kevin6888296> it stopped working for some reason
[21:56] <holstein> kevin6888296: did you try 'the 2inch drop' ?
[21:56] <kevin6888296> holstein: never
[21:56] <xardas008_> usb didn't work anymore
[21:56] <xardas008_> and i needed to boot into windows to get it work again
[21:56] <xardas008_> that's so anoying
[21:56] <msp301> kevin6888296: have you recently updated your kernel ??
[21:57] <kevin6888296> msp301: no
[21:58] <msp301> kevin6888296: hmm .. that's generally the 1st thing I think of, what OS are you running??
[21:59] <holstein> xardas008_: i had one of those too
[21:59] <holstein> today
[21:59] <kevin6888296> ubuntu 10.10 msp301
[21:59] <kevin6888296> i already tried 5 different kernels
[21:59] <holstein> someone in my LUG gave me a USB stick that was 'dead'
[21:59] <kevin6888296> from live iso
[21:59] <holstein> and from an XP box today, i got it to format
[21:59] <holstein> now it seems good to go
[22:00] <xardas008_> holstein, problem occured after i changed something on my monitor settings, but the strange was that either ubuntu 10.10 nor 11.04 weren't able to boot anymore, only windows worked
[22:00] <holstein> im assuming its something to do with a corrupt proprietary format
[22:00] <holstein> that we just dont have access to repairing?
[22:00] <holstein> xardas008_: OH, thats a little different than what i had
[22:02] <xardas008_> holstein, i came to the login screen (gdm) but no mouse or keyboard were working, booting in failsafe got my a message that usb 1-4 had read errors
[22:03] <holstein> xardas008_: i remember now
[22:03] <holstein> i had to run out
[22:03] <holstein> xardas008_: how did you sort it out?
[22:03] <holstein> just booting in windows for some reason?
[22:03] <msp301> kevin6888296: maybe you could try mounting it manually, someone else has resolved a similar problem here ... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8381.html
[22:03] <xardas008_> i bootet into everything available in my boot loader xD
[22:04] <kevin6888296> msp301: it doesn't show up in /dev
[22:04] <holstein> xardas008_: odd
[22:04] <holstein> well, its cool now :)
[22:04] <kevin6888296> and it used to work msp301
[22:04] <kevin6888296> then stopped one day
[22:04] <kevin6888296> i mean, when it did work, it was flaky
[22:04] <kevin6888296> should have been a hint
[22:04] <kevin6888296> "if something works flaky, beware"
[22:05] <msp301> kevin6888296: what hardware are you using then?
[22:06] <kevin6888296> a toshiba u305-s7448 msp301
[22:06] <msp301> kevin6888296: I only had problems with SD card slots back in the days of Ubuntu 6.xx
[22:06] <kevin6888296> yes, do avoid this model :)
[22:06] <kevin6888296> what hardware are you using msp301 ?
[22:07] <msp301> kevin6888296: I'm using a Lenovo 3000 n500 .. it's closest I could afford to a real thinkpad :P
[22:07] <kevin6888296> ah, yeah, i doubt i'd have problems if i had a lenovo
[22:07] <kevin6888296> i didn't think about compatibility when i bought this toshiba
[22:09] <msp301> I've got a Toshiba Equium A100 as well, that used to not be supported .. but after time :)
[22:09] <kevin6888296> yeah, support has improved over time
[22:09] <kevin6888296> i wish i could fix the problems myself
[22:09] <kevin6888296> but some of the problems i suspect has caused hardware damage
[22:20] <msp301> kevin6888296: my last thought would be to run 'lshw' (as root) and check that your SD card reader is listed .. that might at least tell you that it hasn't burnt out or anything
[22:21] <kevin6888296> msp301: yeah it is
[22:22] <msp301> kevin6888296: It Lives!! :) .. sorry I couldn't be of more help to you :(
[22:23] <kevin6888296> no worries msp301.  i don't have very high expectations.
[22:23] <kevin6888296> really, prevention is probably optimal
[22:24] <kevin6888296> getting hardware that developers use is probably the key to reliability
[22:27] <msp301> kevin6888296: I'm a Dev and I can tell you, this is my 3rd laptop and the 1st to have the "out of the box" bonus .. 3rd time lucky :)
[22:28] <kevin6888296> msp301: is english your 1st language?
[22:28] <msp301> kevin6888296: yes
[22:32] <kevin6888296> i am guessing you are saying that the 3rd laptop was the only one that worked out of the box msp301 ?
[22:34] <msp301> kevin6888296: yes
[22:34] <kevin6888296> ah, probably because notebooks are new to be supported by linux
[22:34] <kevin6888296> acpi and all that
[22:39] <msp301> kevin6888296: yep, am glad it is too, allows me to code outdoors .. so I actually see sunlight once in a while lol :P
[22:41] <kevin6888296> i just think that toshiba's are like a MS baby now, since they are in the commercials
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> Next time I purchase a new netbook or laptop I will strongly consider one with Linux pre-installed
[22:45] <holstein> system76 FTW :)
[22:46] <bodhi_zazen> zareason FTW
[22:46] <msp301> Toshiba are in MS commericials now? .. even so, Toshiba make good computers, my Toshiba laptop has survived over 5 years, being used everyday :)
[22:46] <kevin6888296> beagleboards ftw
[22:46] <kevin6888296> what's that other company?  liquidware i think it is
[22:47] <msp301> Researching laptops instead FTW :p
[22:49] <msp301> goodnight :)
[22:53] <kevin6888296> hmmm, can't help but feel that was a jab at me
[22:54] <kevin6888296> faith ftf
[22:56] <xardas008_> how can i make slim start after boot into ubuntu?
[22:56] <xardas008_> i just get a black screen with a blinking cursor
[22:57] <xardas008_> slim is the same as gdm
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> xardas008_: does slim eventually start properly ?
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> sounds more like a problem with your graphical drivers then slim / gdm