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chrisccoulson_it's quiet in here tonight!02:20
chrisccoulson_where is everyone?02:20
bcurtiswxtrying to sort out flights to BUD :-\02:20
chrisccoulson_i'm not the only person awake then ;)02:20
desrtflying to budapest seems to be not-cheap02:20
chrisccoulson_bcurtiswx, oh, you're coming to uDS?02:20
kenvandinehey guys02:20
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson_, yes :)02:21
chrisccoulson_bcurtiswx, have you been before?02:21
chrisccoulson_hi kenvandine!02:21
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson_, nope02:21
chrisccoulson_it looks like i woke everyone up ;)02:21
chrisccoulson_or, perhaps it was desrt "AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" which woke everyone up ;)02:21
TheMuso8Or, the Aussies are just working away industriously. :)02:22
kenvandinechrisccoulson_, it isn't late for some of us :)02:22
chrisccoulson_heh :)02:23
chrisccoulson_kenvandine, it's not late for me either ;)02:23
kenvandinefor some definition of late02:23
TheMusoWell it is late morning here in Australia, east coast.02:24
chrisccoulson_it's early morning here in the UK ;)02:26
chrisccoulson_but i didn't finish working long enough ago to fall asleep just yet02:26
chrisccoulson_so, it's beer'o'clock now02:26
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson_, its 9:30PM here in the east coast US02:29
chrisccoulson_bcurtiswx, it's 2.30am here ;)02:30
* kenvandine will be up until 2:30am tonight.. i am sure02:31
chrisccoulson_heh :)02:31
* kenvandine starts hacking dee into gwibber tonight02:32
chrisccoulson_my head hurts from looking at assembler and trying to figure out how the linker works for most of the day02:33
bcurtiswxconsidering my finacee wakes up at 5:00AM some days... i'd hope to never be up then02:33
kenvandinebcurtiswx, my kids get me up by 6 or 6:30 am everyday!02:34
kenvandineand i never go to bed before 1am02:34
kenvandinechrisccoulson_, i really do love firefox4... i have never really liked any browser before02:34
bcurtiswxdon't they go to school yet?02:34
kenvandinebut i have to say, firefox is sweet now02:34
kenvandinebcurtiswx, 2 of them do02:35
chrisccoulson_nice :)02:35
kenvandinebut they started spring break today02:35
kenvandinedoesn't matter02:35
kenvandinethey are up early...no matter what02:35
bcurtiswxoooh, fun fun, fun fun.. fri--eeee-day02:35
kenvandinei wish they would sleep in... i would love to sleep until 8 :)02:35
bcurtiswxnothing a few crumbs of ambien in their midnight snack won't help ;)02:36
bcurtiswxso should I switch off of chromium?02:38
* kenvandine doesn't like chromium02:38
kenvandineand ff4 is definately faster02:38
chrisccoulson_ff4 is so last week. i'm on 4.2 now!02:39
kenvandinechrisccoulson_, crack head!02:39
chrisccoulson_kenvandine, have you tried mozilla f1 yet?02:41
kenvandineremember... i hate web browsers02:41
chrisccoulson_kenvandine, http://f1.mozillamessaging.com/02:41
kenvandinechrisccoulson_, 2 cycles ago i wrote a firefox extension for gwibber02:43
kenvandineto share a link02:43
* kenvandine should resurrect that02:43
chrisccoulson_yeah, that would be cool02:43
kenvandineit added a gwibber logo next to the address bar02:43
kenvandinei suppose i could add it inside the awesome bar now?02:44
chrisccoulson_yeah, that would be possible02:45
kenvandinein my infinite spare time, i'll take a look again02:45
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RAOFchrisccoulson_: I've recently played the “stare at instruction streams and try to work out what's happening” game.  If you'd like someone to complain at/sympathise/talk at, feel free to ping me :)05:08
micahgis there a reason mutter didn't get updated in the distro past 2.91.90?05:31
micahgah, in universe, nm05:32
jbichacould someone look at the mail I sent to the gnome3-team mailing list and is probably stuck in the moderation queue?06:21
jbichaoh I guess I need to talk to the team administrator06:23
didrocksgood morning07:58
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seb128hey desktop-ers08:17
Sweetsharkseb128: Morning!08:17
pittiGood morning08:17
seb128hey pitti08:18
seb128hey Sweetshark08:18
pittikenvandine: refresh interval> I think that's below the FFE treshold08:18
pittii. e. just do it08:18
pittiSweetshark: moin moin!08:18
seb128nice to get a good night, I'm feeling better today ;-)08:18
pittiseb128: oh, you were sick?08:19
seb128no, I just did a 3am hacking night on tuesday and I feeled tired yesterday08:19
seb128I played with GNOME3 yesterday08:20
seb128some things there are nice, and it's nice looking out of the padding and spacing which is a bit over what it should be08:21
seb128but I really miss a launcher easily accessible, having to switch to the activity view doesn't work well for me, I also miss a background and an easy way to access my files, downloads, etc08:21
pittiseb128: sounds very similar to my experience yesterday  indeed08:22
seb128I'm not impressed by the new control center though08:22
seb128like you get on specific configuration pages from different ui parts like indicator08:23
seb128with the first button in the dialog being a "go back to other settings"08:23
pittiyes, I've seen it08:23
seb128which when you click send you on the control-center grid where you didn't come from without an obvious way to get back where you were08:23
seb128the background capplet is weird as well08:24
seb128the pictures are like 10x10 pixels images on a sidebar08:24
seb128but otherwise performances seemed fine and I like the look08:25
seb128well it's a nice start, I'm waiting for 3.2 ;-)08:25
desrtseb128: too black for my tastes :)08:26
seb128hey desrt08:26
desrtinteresting point you make about the control centre btw... i hadn't considered that08:27
seb128I think getting ride of the desktop before giving an easy access to your files is a mistake though08:27
desrtgnome-tweak-tool lets you turn that back on08:27
seb128I can see lot of users getting angry over that08:27
desrtseb128: or the minimise button :)08:27
seb128I didn't miss that one ;-)08:28
seb128I also noticed that I got used to the unity launcher, I really missed not having one with shell yesterday08:28
seb128if you are in lazy mode with an hand on the mouse it's less convenient to switch between applications08:28
seb128if you use the keyboard that's less an issue though08:29
desrti find it's even more annoying with the trackpoint... harder to slam that up into the top/left08:29
desrtbut even still, not too annoying08:29
seb128is there a way to add clock locations?08:30
seb128I didn't find how to do it08:30
desrti think it's missing functionality08:30
seb128I like to know what time it is for my co workers when I ping them ;-)08:30
desrti imagine the shell team has a whole laundry list of features that didn't make it in time08:30
desrtwhich is pretty understandable08:30
seb128it is08:30
seb128it's a 3.008:31
seb1283.2 will have those I guess08:31
desrti think we successfully dodged 'kde 4.0' :)08:31
desrtbut it's still very much .0 indeed08:31
seb128I find the notifications nice as well08:32
ricotzseb128, hi08:37
desrttime for bed, i think08:37
ricotzseb128, did you tested the ppa?08:37
ricotzdesrt, night08:38
ricotzthe gnome-shell deb has a weird problem with the filepermissions in /usr/share/gnome-shell which might be ppa related since it doesnt happen with a local build08:40
seb128hey ricotz, no I downloaded the gnome3.org iso08:40
ricotzmore precisely in /usr/share/gnome-shell/themes08:40
seb128'night desrt08:41
chrisccoulsonseb128 - oh, you're a new gnome-shell convert now are you? ;)08:43
seb128not quite ;-)08:43
seb128though I like the look it's still missing quite some things08:44
chrisccoulsonyeah, it does look quite nice08:45
seb128oh, I also noticed that I got used to have clean dialogs, i.e without menus etc08:45
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chrisccoulsonnice, my laptop died when i docked it08:52
Laneydo you know if gconf has a way of transitioning users from one key to another? banshee-1 → banshee in this case08:55
Laneyfor users who previously manually set banshee-1 as their default and will now be broken because it renamed08:55
* pitti stops bombarding u-desktop@ with oneiric topics now09:08
Laneya graphical net installer would be nice09:19
hyperairnet installer as in via pxebooting?09:22
chrisccoulsonpitti - i responded to the firefox translations topic ;)09:26
Laneyhyperair: as in a cd-sized environment which downloads the rest at install09:26
Laneylike debian netinst09:26
hyperairaah i see09:31
seb128chrisccoulson, hey09:35
chrisccoulsonhi seb12809:35
seb128chrisccoulson, could you send one about default email client? ;-)09:35
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, can do ;)09:35
pittichrisccoulson: yay!09:38
seb128pitti, you stole my GNOME3 topic!09:39
chrisccoulsonand my translations topic ;)09:39
* pitti hugs seb12809:41
* seb128 hugs pitti09:41
pittiseb128: I just dumped everything that we should do from my POV :)09:41
seb128pitti, btw I don't think moving to an usb image would starting to not care about being rigourous, it would just give us an updated target revisited to nowadays standards09:44
seb128would "mean" starting09:44
pittiseb128: yes, I think 1 GB is a sensible upgrade09:44
seb128like we can realistically ship qt over our current stack09:44
pittiI think available bandwidth certainly grew by the factor 1.4 since 200409:45
seb128it would also mean to get back a bit in a translated world ;-)09:45
seb128pitti, right09:45
pitti(1.4 being 1 GB / 700 MB)09:45
seb128that was my though as well09:45
broderyeah, i think 1G is a reasonable number, but i wonder if it would be better to do something like grow it by 100M every release to make sure we keep thinking long-term09:45
pittiseb128: we just couldn't ship CDs any more, just DVDs09:45
pittibroder: that seems way too fast to me, though09:45
seb128well and iso download is not really an argument09:46
broderpitti: err, sorry - not that it should grow indefinitely09:46
seb128knowing that after a few weeks you get half the iso in sru downloads anyway09:46
pittiwell, I still don't download DVDs, and many other people can't either09:46
broderbut rather that we shouldn't jump immediately from 700M to 1G09:46
pittibroder: ah, right09:46
seb128if we care about downloads we should get delta debs09:46
brodersince i suspect that we will come up with ways to fill 1G rather quickly, and then be in the same position again09:46
pittibroder: I like that09:47
broderpitti: i'll reply on list so it's recorded09:47
seb128I would just jump but fill it with langpacks09:47
seb128then we can argue on tradding langpacks with things worth it09:47
seb128when needed09:47
broderseb128: doesn't that put us in a position of planning regressions down the road for people using those langpacks?09:47
pittibroder: only regressions in terms of what you need to download during install09:47
seb128we always tweaked the langpacks we ship09:48
seb128like german and french are on the edge each cycle09:48
broderi suppose as an english-speaking american pig i'm never exposed to that :-P09:48
pittiseb128: we should really start having French or German as "C" strings in applications :)09:52
didrocks(seems that I switch to ubuntu-desktop IRC channel when it's needed :p)09:53
seb128pitti, though sense (I think it was him) had a nice blog post on the topic this week saying that's it's a disadvantage for english09:53
seb128since the strings are written by hackers and don't get any review, etc as other locales09:53
pittithat's right09:53
pittiand more importantly, in a lot of cases by non-native English speaking hackers :)09:54
seb128btw do you guys have an opinion on whether "classic GNOME" should be similar to 10.10 or to what we have now09:56
seb128or said different if we should have the logo menu and appmenu or if we should go back to the 3 menus without appmenu on the default layout09:57
broderyou mean panel vs. unity-2d?09:57
seb128no, gnome-panel "classic" session default layout09:57
broderoh, hmm...i haven't checked out the current classic environment in a while :)09:57
seb128we switched to use the logo menu rather than the application, places, system one and we added appmenu to be closer from unity since that was the 2d fallback session as well09:59
didrockspeople on the french forum seems surprised when they go to the classic environment to not find the traditional menu09:59
seb128but since we have unity-2d for those who want a 2d session similar to unity10:00
seb128didrocks, right, I think users wait from the classic session to be ...classic ;-)10:00
didrocksagreed with that, I unerstand the 2 rationales though :-)10:00
broderwith unity-2d, we should never have to show a user the classic environment unless they explicitly opt into it, right?10:01
seb128if unity-2d was on the CD yes10:01
seb128but that's not the case (yet)10:01
broderi'd say that if we get unity-2d on the cd somehow, then someone who specifically asks for classic should get the old-school layout10:02
seb128but we don't for this cycle10:03
broderoh, you're talking about for 12.04? yeah, i don't know for that one10:03
pittiseb128: with GNOME 3 is there actually still a well-defined "gnome 2d" experience?10:11
seb128pitti, still gnome-panel10:11
seb128though they tweaked it a bit to be closer from the gnome-shell layout10:11
pittiseb128: my gut feeling is that gnome-2d session should continue to be what we have now, to avoid jumping back and forth and also to provide a slightly more consistent user experience10:11
seb128pitti, so with appmenu?10:11
pittibut I have no strong opinion about it TBH10:12
pittibut for upgraders we'll reuse the existing config anyway10:12
pittiit took me a fair while to actually see the "new" layout in natty, with a new user10:12
seb128it depends of how we communicate about "classic" though10:13
seb128we don't communicate it as being a 2d session10:13
seb128we called it "classic"10:13
ogra_pitti, do i want overlay scrollbar on netbook ? (just saw your meta upload)10:14
seb128like users say that's what you should use if you like the old GNOME better than unity or g-s10:14
pittiogra_: question for DX, but I guess so10:14
pittiseb128: ah, good point10:15
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Laneyso classic = gnome 2.32 (~ 10.10)?10:25
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kklimondahey rodrigo_10:25
seb128hey rodrigo_10:26
rodrigo_hi kklimonda10:26
rodrigo_hi seb12810:26
seb128Laney, yes with appmenu configured by default10:26
seb128rodrigo_, how are you?10:27
rodrigo_seb128, very tired, didn't sleep much last night, as my gf had a small accident with the bike yesterday and she had a bad night10:28
seb128rodrigo_, oh? is she ok? did she get injured?10:29
rodrigo_seb128, yes, just some bruises, nothing serious, but enough to feel some pain when sleeping10:30
Sweetsharkpitti: didrocks asked about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/720716 still being fixed. After some failed attempts (it fun to have multiple sets of .desktop files in multiple repositories, some unused) I think I have a solution. How would that be handled wrt to FF and translations?10:34
didrocksSweetshark: chrisccoulson made it for firefox on a wiki page as translation isn't handled by launchpad10:35
didrockshence the fact I pointed that yesterday, you should talk about it with dpm as well :)10:35
chrisccoulsonyes, we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop for firefox10:35
pittiSweetshark: right, it's an UIF issue, and by and large missing translations; I think we should at least collect translations for the more popular languages (Spanish, Portugese, Chinese, and of course French!) before we upload this, as this doesn't have any langpack support10:37
pittiSweetshark: please subscribe u-release and ubuntu-translators to the bug and ask for a UIF, and perhaps point to a wiki page like for firefox10:37
TeTeThi, on Natty I've seen that Lotus Notes uses the global menu, but eclipse doesn't. Can I exclude Notes from the global menu somehow, as it doesn't work that well?10:38
seb128TeTeT, unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY10:44
seb128TeTeT, then start it10:44
ogra_we probably should have a wrapper that does this on all wxgtk apps ;)10:47
ogra_audacity isnt usable under unity10:48
ogra_(works fine in classic)10:48
jibelogra_, this is bug 72237510:52
seb128ogra_, that's fixed today in natty10:53
TeTeTseb128: thanks10:53
ogra_oh, awesome, so i can switch my desktop machine back to unity !10:54
TeTeTworks nicely10:54
* ogra_ is currently digitizing his LPs ... not having audacity is kind of blocking ;)10:54
ftadidrocks, hi, just updated that bamf/chromium bug, definitely not fixed10:55
didrocksfta: which one? the webapps match?10:55
ftabug 74497210:55
fta(the one jorge pointed me to yesterday)10:56
didrocksyeah, please reopen it and take in touch with the contributor making the patch10:56
seb128rodrigo_, can you check on bug #75304710:56
seb128ogra_, you could just have unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY to run it under unity...10:57
rodrigo_seb128, yes10:59
dholbachdoes anybody know anything about the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/633125?11:07
dholbach(it's actually a patch for gnome-settings-daemon)11:07
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, you merged this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/lucid/couchdb-glib/fix-571286/+merge/24754 but it wasn't needed anymore, just for lucid11:08
seb128rodrigo_, no, I manually set the merge request to merged on launchpad so it stops showing in the merges queue11:09
rodrigo_seb128, ah, ok11:09
seb128rodrigo_, I could have deleted it or set to anything else11:09
seb128rodrigo_, it was just to stop having it listed ;-)11:09
rodrigo_seb128, yes, no problem, didn't pull the branch before asking you11:09
seb128rodrigo_, but feel free to set the correct status11:10
rodrigo_seb128, it was abandoned, so yeah, no problem11:10
seb128dholbach, do you have any clue about dholbach's question?11:10
dholbachseb128, no11:10
dholbachthat's why I asked ;-)11:10
seb128rodrigo_, ^11:10
seb128dholbach, it was for rodrigo11:10
* dholbach hugs seb128 :)11:10
* seb128 hugs dholbach11:10
* dholbach hugs rodrigo_ too :)11:10
* rodrigo_ hugs dholbach back :)11:11
rodrigo_dholbach, looking...11:11
rodrigo_dholbach, I guess it looks ok, shouldn't break anything, so do you want me to submit the package with the patch?11:12
* dholbach hugs Sweetshark too :-)11:12
rodrigo_Sweetshark, :)11:12
rodrigo_Sweetshark, jealous, eh? :D11:13
dholbachrodrigo_, I personally didn't know too much about the patch - should I forward it to upstream, etc.?11:13
dholbachit's just my patch pilot day and I was trying to get another opinion on it11:13
rodrigo_dholbach, I'm upstream, so I can forward it myself11:13
dholbachI'm happy to test-build, etc, upload to Ubuntu11:14
rodrigo_although I see in the bug it needed a change in syndaemon11:14
ftadidrocks, the last compiz regressed for me. lots of artifacts in chromium: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium-artifacts.ogv11:15
didrocksdbarth: ^^11:15
didrocksfta: can you open a bug about it?11:15
seb128it seems that somehow fta is a bug magnet11:15
rodrigo_dholbach, it needs to be compiled with xrecord, for -R to work, I guess?11:15
seb128or he has very weird configs ;-)11:15
didrocksseb128: yeah ;)11:15
rodrigo_dholbach, well, I'll submit a package fix for natty and file the patch to b.g.o11:16
dholbachrodrigo_, ok, let me know if there's anything else I can do11:16
dholbachand thanks for your work on this11:16
rodrigo_dholbach, not sure how syndaemon would react if it gets -R but not compiled with XRecord11:16
Sweetsharkdidrocks, chrisccoulson: Looking good like that? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/LibreOfficeCalc  Just asking before I create a copy for base, draw, impress, math, startcenter, writer.11:17
dholbachrodrigo_, there's also https://code.launchpad.net/~dylanmccall/ubuntu/natty/gnome-settings-daemon/fix-748805/+merge/5609611:17
dholbachbut it seems to be still under discussion11:18
chrisccoulsonyeah, that one needs fixing11:18
chrisccoulsonthe patch doesn't really make things any better, it just changes them slightly11:18
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, yeah, looks good11:19
dbarthah ok11:23
dbarthdamage issues again i guess11:23
Sweetsharkhmmm, I get a tasty internal server error everytime I save something on the ubuntu wiki ...11:24
ftaseb128, should I add a tag for the regression or something?11:25
Davieyrodrigo_, I was just prepping a merge proposal for the one dholbach raised, but if you are on the case i'll leave it.11:26
Davieylooks more complicated that patch piloting anyway :)11:26
rodrigo_Daviey, yes, almost done11:27
* dholbach hugs rodrigo_ and Daviey11:27
ftadidrocks, dbarth: bug 75336911:28
ftano bot?11:28
rodrigo_dholbach, :)11:28
didrocksfta: I'll let dbarth deal with it, on other things right now11:28
Davieyrodrigo_, \o/11:28
pittidesrt: is it possible in gsettings to construct new subtrees dynamically? such as a tree with properties for each hotpluggable drive you have (/apps/nautilus/volume_options/MyUsbStick/ has an "automount" gboolean flag, and possibly a list of mount options) etc.11:30
pittidesrt: I don't see anything in the gsettings API to do that, it all seems to rely on a predefined schema?11:30
seb128fta, no11:31
seb128fta, there is no such tag during unstable series11:31
pittidesrt: or is the solution for that to just have a /apps/nautilus/volume_options key which is a dictionary gvariant? (mapping UUIDs/Labels to options)11:31
seb128is there any take for bug #74142511:34
seb128that's polkit aborting on "assertion failed: (info->alignment == 0 || info->alignment == 1 || info->alignment == 3 || info->alignment == 7)""11:34
pittiI really doubt that it's on login11:35
pittiseems on logout11:35
pittiI just can't reproduce it :/11:36
pittiI already tried to kill it in various ways11:36
pittiif anyone has a recipe, I'm happy to workon it11:36
seb128pitti, right11:37
seb128pitti, I'm wondering if there is a way we could detect and ignore crash on logout11:37
pittiseb128: can we ask gnome-session somehow? i. e. does it have a shutdown phase or so?11:38
pitti(not that it would be easy to get to that from a kernel context, but that's details)11:38
vuntzpitti: there's a shutdown phase, yes11:38
pittiwe can probably steal the dbus address from the crashed process' environment and query the session dbus11:39
vuntzpitti: there's actually more than one phase for that. But everything after RUNNING means "we're leaving guys"11:39
pittithere's a SessionOver() signal, but that's not of much use in apport11:40
pittiis there a property we can query on org.gnome.SessionManager?11:41
Sweetsharkdidrocks: any opinion on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/720716/comments/2 ? esp. on the startcenter?11:41
didrocksSweetshark: the .desktop file looks good11:42
didrocksSweetshark: just stick with what design asks for Natty I would say11:42
didrocksStartcenter shouldn't be in the launcher once bamf is fixed11:43
rodrigo_can someone please review/merge/upload this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-settings-daemon/fix-633125/+merge/56726 ?11:50
rodrigo_dholbach, Daviey: ^^11:50
dholbachrodrigo_, so there were no additional changes required?11:51
rodrigo_dholbach, yes, the syndaemon compilation with XRecord enabled, which is already in natty, as the bug comments say11:52
dholbachah great11:52
dholbachrodrigo_, so we'll carry it as a distro patch as it's too hard for g-s-d to find out if XRecord is enabled in syndaemon?11:53
rodrigo_dholbach, that's why I'm not pushing the fix to git.gnome yet, as I need to confirm the -R is harmless if syndaemon is not compiled with XRecord11:53
* dholbach nods11:53
Sweetsharkpitti: "ubuntu-translators" finds 17 pages of hits in launchpad, is there something more specific (a complete email address maybe?)11:54
dholbachSweetshark, you mean the mailing list of the ubuntu translators?11:55
Sweetshark11:37 < pitti> Sweetshark: please subscribe u-release and ubuntu-translators to the bug and ask for a UIF, and  perhaps point to a wiki page like for firefox11:55
dholbachah, in that case, just subscribe the teams on the bug report (+ subscribe someone else) and put "ubuntu-translators" and "ubuntu-release" in there11:56
Sweetshark"Ubuntu Translations Coordinators" sounds good ...11:56
pittiSweetshark: ah, it's actually a ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators11:57
dholbachdpm can probably help too11:57
pittiSweetshark: but yes, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators sounds good11:57
dholbachah he's not around today11:57
Davieyrodrigo_, the only thing i'd say is the author doesn't have an email address... and as a personal preference you can use the short version of the lp bug url.11:58
Davieyminor really.11:58
rodrigo_Daviey, couldn't find an email address in the author's lp page11:58
Davieyrodrigo_,  snizovtsev@gmail.com11:58
dholbachpro tip: click on the gpg key link11:58
rodrigo_and yes, changing it to the short version11:58
rodrigo_ok, fixed and pushed12:01
dholbachDaviey, do you want to upload it?12:02
dholbachI can do it too - as you like it12:02
rodrigo_dholbach, Daviey: if you upload it, please also merge the branch with lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu12:03
dholbachDaviey, I'll take care of it12:04
dbarth#753369 ?12:06
Davieydholbach, super12:06
* dholbach ^5s everyone12:06
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DavieyHi, would someone from the desktop team decide if this is worth carrying?  patch on bug 501426 ..  thanks :)12:20
Davieyis ubotu dead? :(12:20
davmor2guys out of curiosity why was w3c removed from the install?  you now can't report a bug if x doesn't start.12:32
tjaaltondavmor2: ubuntu-bug doesn't work?12:34
tjaaltonor does it need a browser12:34
davmor2tjaalton: Ubuntu bug uses the default browser for the environment it is in to send the report12:34
sorendavmor2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2008-June/001698.html12:35
davmor2soren: ah mdz's to blame then :D thanks  I thought it was possibly just to save space on the cd12:37
sorendavmor2: It probably was.12:37
chrisccoulsonwow, my head feels like it's going to explode now13:12
seb128chrisccoulson, extensive debugging seance?13:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, for bug 66329413:18
seb128did you crack it?13:18
chrisccoulsonseb128 - well, i think it's a linker bug, and i've got a very small test case now which demonstrates the issue13:18
seb128ok, so it's a doko issue ;-)13:19
seb128we need to get a bug bot back btw13:19
chrisccoulsonyeah, i was just wondering where it had gone13:19
sorenIt's still in #ubuntu-ops?13:19
sorenSo it's alive.13:19
seb128I've asked on #ubuntu-devel13:20
chrisccoulsonit's probably doing what i should be doing right now - going out to grab a burger ;)13:20
seb128he's having a burger for 2 days13:20
rodrigo_yeah, lunch for me also, bbl13:20
seb128that's a cow13:20
seb128not a burger13:20
seb128chrisccoulson, rodrigo_: enjoy guys13:21
chrisccoulsonwelcome ubot5 \o/13:23
seb128rodrigo_, vish: could you stop Cc-ing submitters when replying on a list?13:23
seb128grrr at people who spam my inbox rather than reply to the list13:23
vishsure :)13:24
seb128how come you guys don't just reply to the list?13:24
vishnot sure, i think i hit reply all , instead of reply?13:24
vishi blame evolution and the desktop team that chose it ! ;p13:25
chrisccoulsonheh. evolution defaults to "reply to all" when you do that13:25
seb128there is a reply to list13:25
chrisccoulsonrather than "reply to list"13:25
seb128well at list it has a reply to list13:25
seb128which some mailer don't13:25
chrisccoulsoni've fallen in to that trap before ;)13:25
seb128I'm used to ctrl-l to reply to list13:25
vishseb128: yea, and there is Launchpad lists which do not reply to list13:25
om26erhi! is there anything wrong with the daily ISOs i dont see one?13:26
om26eronly for powerpc13:26
seb128hey om26er13:26
vishseb128: for launchpad mailing lists where we have to make sure to use "reply all"13:26
vishotherwise it doesnt go to the list..13:26
Laneywhy doesn't evolution set Reply-To if that's what you want?13:26
om26erhello seb12813:26
om26erseb128, how are you today?13:27
seb128Reply-To is a list thing not a mua option13:27
seb128om26er, I'm fine thanks13:28
vishLaney: i think it might be a launchpad mailing list config issue; (where it doesnt set a reply to addy?)13:28
Laneythe list can override it if it wants13:28
seb128om26er, the daily build failed probably, I'm checking that13:28
seb128right, that's another discussion13:28
seb128but doing "reply to list" should do the right thing13:28
Laneybut if it doesn't then the client can set it13:28
seb128the Reply-To just determine if "reply" goes to the submitter or the list13:28
seb128"reply to list" should always work13:29
Laneyit's a user thing13:29
Laneyyou can make 'reply' send replies where you want them to go13:29
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seb128Laney, the issue is that some users decide it's fine to Cc the submitter on list replies13:31
seb128which is not13:31
seb128om26er, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/natty/daily-live-20110407.log13:31
seb128om26er, seems a casper issue, check on #ubuntu-devel maybe, it's not really desktopish13:31
vishLaney: i think it has something to do with mailiman setting, all mailman mailing lists have the "reply-to" set to the mailing addy, so if we hit "reply" it just goes to mailing list.  but launchpad ML dont, so if we just use "reply" it wont go to list13:32
seb128om26er, oh, seems likely cjwatson already fixed it seeing today updates13:32
vishand while switching between these two mailing lists we(i?) forget :p13:33
* om26er have a broken natty system and don't have any natty ISO :(13:33
seb128vish, nothing to do with launchpad and it's a frequent discussion subject13:33
seb128om26er, take yesterday's one?13:33
om26erseb128, broken too it seems13:33
seb128vish, those are ubuntu lists not launchpad ones13:33
seb128om26er, how is your system broken?13:33
om26erupdated the kernel now i see busybox13:33
seb128vish, it's a policy decision, that has been argued over several times and some people are on each side, some consider reply should go the submitter and others to the list13:34
seb128om26er, can't you pick the previous one in the grub lists?13:34
om26erseb128, seems older kernel have the same problem, so should be some other thing causing13:35
vishseb128: yay! then its not my fault for being confused.. ;p someone needs to decide on a common behavior ;)13:35
om26erhave happened the third time over the past month13:35
seb128vish, you just need to use reply to list on lists13:35
seb128om26er, try asking on #ubuntu-devel about your issue maybe13:35
seb128seems like a bug that should be fixed13:36
vishbut but.. hitting a button is so easy :s13:36
* vish files wishlist for reply-to-list button..13:36
om26erseb128, I will, thanks :)13:36
seb128om26er, you're welcome13:36
chrisccoulsonpitti, i'm going to take http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/commit/?id=6f49c05ceb2a1935d07c49c2e100b5cf3cdf5f26 so we can get the default browser check working in chromium again13:41
chrisccoulsonthat won't work on it's own, because it does a gnome-3 check based on the existance of gnome-default-application-properties13:41
chrisccoulsoni'm just wondering if it's acceptable to just hard-code that on natty, or use something else (like lsb-release)13:41
seb128chrisccoulson, see bug #67012813:42
ubot5Launchpad bug 670128 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "gnome-open uses firefox while it's not the preferred browser" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67012813:42
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, that's the bug i want to fix :)13:43
seb128chrisccoulson, I had a go to it and went lazy since the diff isn't near to apply with tweaks13:43
seb128like it patches .in which are not in our version and has conflicts13:43
seb128but you can hardcode the gnome3 case13:43
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'll have a look now13:43
chrisccoulsonfill my head with something other than assembler!13:44
seb128did you fix those libdbusmenu crashers btw? ;-)13:44
chrisccoulsonseb128 - which ones? have i still got some assigned to me?13:45
* chrisccoulson goes and checks13:45
seb128the about to show ones13:45
chrisccoulsonnot yet ;)13:45
chrisccoulsoni'll take a look at those today too13:45
seb128do you want new ones if we get somes?13:45
chrisccoulsonyeah, new ones are fine too13:45
seb128but get lunch first13:46
seb128you need food to work ;-)13:46
chrisccoulsoni had an interesting bug with the thunderbird menu at the weekend. someone installed an extension that caused all of the menu icons to be 510x400 images13:46
chrisccoulsonand sending pixbufs of that size over dbus is pretty painful ;)13:46
chrisccoulsonit sent so much data that the connection was terminated and gdbus aborted thunderbird ;)13:47
chrisccoulsonsome people install some crazy things13:47
kklimondaugh, so there are limits to how much data can dbus handle! ;)13:47
chrisccoulsonkklimonda, i guess so. thunderbird was aborting with "g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting."13:48
chrisccoulsonso i guess that means it sent too much data ;)13:48
kklimondagrr, pulseaudio has once again decided to quit13:49
kklimondaand now it has done it under g-s so it's not a Unity issue..13:49
chrisccoulsonit's trying to save resources for you ;)13:49
pittichrisccoulson: (sorry, was at lunch); that commit looks harmless enough to me, and not too hard to port? (If not by letter, then at least in spirit)13:50
kklimondachrisccoulson: that's what I've suspected (well, that pa quits when nothing plays for a while) but it makes no sense, and TheMuso haven't seen the issue..13:51
pittichrisccoulson: great progress on the PIE debugging!13:51
chrisccoulsonpitti - heh, that one's pretty painful :)13:52
chrisccoulsoni could do with some help from someone on foundations really13:52
chrisccoulsonit should be easier now i have a test case13:52
pittiLinaro also has a few gcc experts13:53
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dholbachpitti, what's the best place for things like this nowadays? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/74509414:01
ubot5Ubuntu bug 745094 in hal-info (Ubuntu) "Samsung X360 brightness keys block keyboard and produce all-or-nothing effect" [Undecided,New]14:01
pittidholbach: uh, I thought this was fixed ages ago14:01
pittidholbach: but in general, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting14:02
pittidholbach: i. e. almost always an udev bug, but it needs some particular debugging information14:02
dholbachit has a patch attached14:02
dholbachbut seems the patch is for linux(?)14:02
pittidholbach: I can translate that into an udev rule; I'll have a look14:03
dholbachpitti, you rock!14:03
* dholbach hugs pitti14:03
pittidholbach: actually, it's really already fixed, for about three releases now14:04
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pittiah, for this model only since maverick14:05
pittidholbach: bug updated14:06
* dholbach hugs pitti14:06
dholbachthanks a lot14:06
* pitti hugs back dholbach14:06
* vish edits /usr/share/evolution/2.30/ui/evolution-mail-reader.ui and replaces <toolitem action='mail-reply-all'/> with <toolitem action='mail-reply-list'/> … booooo! no more being able to annoy seb128 :(14:07
seb128that will break when you want to reply to a direct email when several people are Cc-ed though14:07
vishyea, i dont do many of those, but rather that than annoy people :)14:08
ogra_just use ctrl-L ;)14:08
vishheh, I've several times done that ctrl+l in xchat and *poof*..14:09
bcurtiswxseb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/590752/14:13
seb128bcurtiswx, ? I've nothing to do with that14:13
seb128bcurtiswx, why do you ask me?14:14
bcurtiswxseb128, ok then. sorry :-\14:14
seb128it's being mentioned on #ubuntu-devel by jibel14:14
seb128if you want to track it14:14
* bcurtiswx thinks today is a busy day for lots of people14:15
mptcyphermox, hi, got a few minutes to talk about Network Manager 0.9?14:26
rickspencer3vuntz, rodrigo_, seb128_, pedro_ check out http://www.ubuntu.com14:29
rickspencer3wait for the 2nd banner14:29
seb128_rickspencer3, nice!14:30
pedro_rickspencer3, neat! :-)14:30
seb128_mterry, translated locations for natty then? \o/14:33
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cyphermoxmpt, sure14:33
mterryseb128, looks like it!  :)14:34
seb128mterry, I've assigned you an indicator-application crash we got today btw14:38
chrisccoulsonhmmm, time to update my machine for the first time in a week14:38
chrisccoulsoni wonder if things will carry on working afterwards ;)14:39
mterryseb128, sa14:39
mptcyphermox, just trying to get a list of what features NM has that ConnMan doesn't, and vice versa14:41
vuntzrickspencer3: sweet!14:42
rickspencer3congrats vuntz! you da' man14:43
* vuntz hugs rickspencer3 14:43
cyphermoxmpt, ok. can I get back to you on that? I'll need to double-check somethings and cross-check all of that against the list kvalo had made on the wiki somewhere14:43
mptcyphermox, sure14:43
* rickspencer3 hugs vuntz14:43
pittivuntz: tried the live CD yesterday, looks really nice! congratulations!14:44
vuntzpitti: thanks!14:44
seb128vuntz, well done ;-) I tried the livecd as well14:44
mptcyphermox, I know about WPA Enterprise, VPNs, modems, Wimax14:45
mptand IPv614:45
cyphermoxhere's another one then: usb tethering :/14:45
cyphermoxI was looking at the last release notice, kind of surprised it's not in connman yet TBH14:45
cyphermoxsome num14:46
cyphermoxmpt: some number of modems are actually supported in connman via ofono, but it's not as many as many as modemmanager, afaict14:46
mptMaybe I was imagining the IPv6 part14:50
cyphermoxmpt, it probably made it in recently14:50
mptcyphermox, there's a small list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConnMan#Status14:53
mptfrom the ConnMan p.o.v.14:53
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rodrigo_rickspencer3, nice (re: www.ubuntu.com)15:21
* Laney approves of the application in the screenshot :-)15:22
seb128mterry, can you check if you can figure anything from bug #745115 while you are doing indicator-application hacking? ;-)15:23
ubot5Launchpad bug 745115 in indicator-application (Ubuntu Natty) "indicator-applet-complete crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__POINTER()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74511515:24
seb128the first frame is missing in the stacktrace but the others are there15:24
* mterry doesn't NEED first frames15:25
seb128mterry, ;-)15:26
seb128kklimonda, does gnome-shell even official use or support notification area icons? like things we patch for indicator now are all using gnome-shell custom indicators in GNOME315:26
seb128the keyboard layout, gnome-bt, ...15:26
kklimondaseb128: yes, they are displayed in the same place (at the bottom of the screen) where notifications are.15:29
seb128kklimonda, right, that's a fallback thing though, none of their official component use it?15:30
kklimondaseb128: yes, notification area is being deprecated in gnome3, but it's still being used by other projects. I'd like to make appindicators dependant on Unity/Unity 2D if possible, to make people complain about one less thing when they hear "Ubuntu". :)15:32
seb128why would indicators depend of unity?15:33
seb128they are displayed fine in KDE and GNOME with the corresponding applet15:33
kklimondaseb128: but it can't be queried at the runtime afaik15:34
rodrigo_oh, bug bot is back!15:34
seb128rodrigo_, right ;-)15:34
rodrigo_cool :)15:34
kklimondaseb128: we could make them depend on some env variable, it doesn't have to be DESKTOP_SESSION15:34
seb128kklimonda, why would they need to?15:34
seb128kklimonda, I'm not sure to understand the issue you are trying to solve15:34
kklimondaseb128: the fallback for appindicators doesn't really bring the original menu back, it just shows the same menu that indicator shows, but using GtkStatusIcon15:36
seb128but that's just the default thing15:36
seb128you can overwrite it with a custom handle if you want15:36
seb128that's an upstream decision15:36
seb128if upstream use libappindicator it's up to them to figure if they want a simple fallback or overwrite it in a custom way15:37
seb128there is nothing really unity or Ubuntu specific there15:37
kklimondaseb128: are there examples of applications that use the custom handle to reimplement the old menu?15:37
seb128not that I know about15:37
seb128we mostly spent efforts on the primary use for things we did15:37
seb128not on making fallback behave differently15:38
seb128still it doesn't tell what issue you are trying to solve as an application developper15:38
seb128you are attached to the old systray and want to keep it as a first class citizen even if modern desktop move away from it?15:38
seb128like KDE, gnome-shell or unity don't use it in their design or their components15:39
kklimondaseb128: I'm not really attached to it, but I'm attached to Ubuntu, and getting complains from users that tray behaves differently on Ubuntu made me wonder if we can fix it.15:39
cyphermoxmpt, seems like there's another page that was largely kept up to date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ConnectionManagerComparison15:39
mptcyphermox, brilliant, thanks15:40
seb128kklimonda, users don't like change, that's probably an issue which will go away as gnome-shell moved away from it for the most part as well15:40
cyphermoxI'll merge my data into it later, but it's very much the same15:40
kklimondaseb128: it's more about Ubuntu as a whole, I'm just concerned about how the choices we make affect the community. Lately all I've been hearing from users is how Ubuntu changes everything, how bad it is for our uses, and how will everyone start recommending Mint.15:40
rodrigo_kklimonda, Mint?15:41
seb128kklimonda, those are small minority which tends to make noise15:41
seb128rodrigo_, it's an ubuntu derivative15:41
TommehOr a Debian derivative.15:41
Tommeh(They do a rolling release based on Debian)15:41
rodrigo_ah, didn't know about it15:41
TommehIn addition to the regular Ubuntu builds. :)15:41
TommehI found the idea quite interesting.15:42
rodrigo_so, I see they have a xfce builkd, a kde one, etc15:43
TommehPersonally I thought a lot of the actual difference was in bundling 'non-free' software by default to provide the best out-of-the-box experience.15:44
rodrigo_ah, I see15:44
kklimondaseb128: they may be a minority, I don't argue with that. But they are also our most experienced users, and if we start losing them, Ubuntu as OS will suffer. I'm already seeing sings of it in our LoCo where people are just starting to copy&paste voodoo commands to each other, without understanding them.15:44
mptkklimonda, are there any particular applications these users mention?15:45
mptI'm reviewing indicators in general right now.15:45
seb128kklimonda, well I say that's not worth doing efforts, but those are resistant to changes but them wanting or not desktops are changing and GNOME3 will be as much change as unity is15:45
rodrigo_to be honest, if instead of so many distros, desktops, etc, etc, we all worked together, free software would have today a 90% market share :)15:45
rodrigo_but yes, "linux is about choice"15:45
mptrodrigo_, you could say the same about proprietary software.15:45
rodrigo_mpt, yes, but those are rival companies15:46
seb128mpt, will we get an hardware indicator or something that handle keyboard layouts and gnome-bt?15:46
seb128mpt, not sure how much of the code we patch will still be there in GNOME3 for those15:46
seb128mpt, it would be better to get a system indicator that patching GNOME component for those15:46
kklimondampt: wrt indicators it's mostly that they don't behave the same as they do in other distributions, even when indicator applet is gone, and app falls back to GtkStatusIcon. But I've had a lengthy discussion with a friend of mine about Unity in general, and he wasn't happy with pushing it so fast to users.15:47
mptseb128, I have a very long list of things I'd like done. That's on it. But nobody works for me. :-)15:47
seb128mpt, ;-)15:47
mptseb128, what's the underlying code for the keyboard layouts in particular? xkb?15:47
Sweetsharkwhom should I subscribe bug 753627 to for advice? "Canonical User Experience and Design Team"?15:47
ubot5Launchpad bug 753627 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice needs an update of the Ubuntu color palette" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75362715:47
seb128mpt, we patch the gnome-settings-daemon notification area icon, but gnome-shell moved to have the indicator as shell code15:47
mptSweetshark, Paul Sladen15:48
Sweetsharkmpt: thx15:49
seb128mpt, well the notification area code is probably still there for the fallback session but still it would make our job easier to move that to a real indicator than patching GNOME fallback code15:49
kklimondampt: I believe his choice of words was "pushing not finished software, and making users test it, is immoral" and that "FOSS should compete with closed source with stability, engaging users, and getting their trust, and not with features". So yes, he's working with FSF (or rather the Polish counterpart) but he does have a point. What if we gamble with Unity, and lose?15:51
mptseb128, so as I understand it, there are roughly three options, (1) (easiest) port the existing application indicator to the new version of g-s-d; (2) convert the existing application indicator to a basic system indicator; (3) (nicest) implement the full-blown KeyboardSettings spec as a system indicator.15:52
seb128mpt, right15:52
seb128mterry, bug #74356415:53
ubot5Launchpad bug 743564 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "indicator-application-service crashed with SIGSEGV, when starting Quassel Client" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74356415:53
seb128mterry, please check on that one as well15:53
seb128mterry, then we are done with indicator-application cleaning ;-)15:53
mterryseb128, why do indicators crash all the time?  :)15:53
pittichrisccoulson: just read your ffox translations proposal; that makes a lot of sense to me15:53
seb128mterry, it's all ted's fault15:53
pittichrisccoulson: (answering in detail by email now)15:55
kklimondawow, my .xsession-errors got to 1.1G in gnome-shell..15:56
seb128mterry, but joke aside we are hitting the bottom of it I think, we don't have frequent crashers reported recently, only a few corner cases15:56
mterryseb128, yeah15:57
mterrympt, btw, when a user clicks on the other locations in the datetime indicator, what is your desired behavior?  right now nothing happens but we used to have it switch your timezone (with an authorization prompt)16:04
mptmterry, yes, change the time zone16:05
mptoh, huh, I didn't mention that in the spec, derp16:06
mptmterry, sorry about that. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate?action=diff&rev2=34&rev1=3316:08
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chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks for the comments on the e-mail, i'll take a look in a bit16:17
seb128chrisccoulson, what happened to the email client topic? ;-)16:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - oh, i'm getting round to it, i'm just trying to get a couple of other issues out of the way first :)16:17
mptkklimonda, then we'd be in a difficult situation. But the indicators work independently from the rest of Unity (as demonstrated by 10.04 and 10.10).16:23
seb128kklimonda, we don't gamble a lot, classic GNOME is still available in the default installation and the same it was in 10.10, gnome-shell is available in a ppa with GNOME3, KDE is available... up to the user to pick16:27
seb128kklimonda, we add options and set on a default one but we don't force anyone to use those16:28
mterrytedg, you doing an indicator-datetime release today?  I have a branch I want to squeeze in if it's not too late16:29
tedgmterry, I am doing one, it's not too late.16:29
tedgFor some reason I'm failing to upload to LP for dbusmenu :-(16:29
mterrytedg, the code to switch timezones when you click one in the menu disappeared from teh codebase, so I'm adding it back in16:30
tedgmterry, Uhm.  wow.  Oops.16:31
mterrytedg, it seems to be because the old code used liboops, so we were like "well, let'd drop that crap", but never added in new shiny code16:33
kklimondaseb128: right, but it is a default option, and that's what most people will see, and what they'll judge. I know that we have to get it tested as much as possible before the next LTS, but if reviews (from both users and bloggers/journalists) indicate that Unity wasn't ready then it's going to be hard to bring back them later, when it's finally ready. I guess what I'd like it is for Ubuntu to16:34
kklimondaslow down, but I know we can't, so I'd like to make LTS releases what people use, and call other releases "tech previews", but that has too many downsides, and knowing all that makes me frustrated, and I don't know what to do. ;)16:34
seb128kklimonda, well unity doesn't feel ready to you? what concerns do you have about current natty?16:34
seb128kklimonda, the plan has been from the start to ship it if ready or to ship the classic GNOME otherwise, that didn't change16:35
kklimondaseb128: the global menu is hidden by default, I have a problem managing my applications when I run more then 10 of them, and some icons are "folded".16:35
seb128well those are small issues16:36
kklimondaoh, and it crashes a lot for me, but I blame nvidia blob for this. :)16:36
seb128the first one is a discovaribility issue16:36
seb128well some people had difficulties managing applications with GNOME16:37
seb128some have with gnome-shell16:37
seb128none of those issues seem real show stopper ones16:37
kklimondaseb128: it's more than just a discoverability issue - when the menu is visible I know where to move the mouse but when it's hidden I first have to show it.16:37
kklimondait makes it harder (or slower) for me to access menu16:38
seb128well you have to learn once where the menu is16:38
seb128then you know where to move the mouse16:38
kklimondaseb128: but when I don't see the "File Edit Help" I don't know where to move it exactly.16:39
seb128oh, I know what you mean16:39
seb128do you use the menus that often?16:40
seb128I almost never use any menu16:40
seb128but yeah, it makes it like 1 second slower to aim maybe when you want to open a menu with the mouse16:40
dobeyin the apps where i have to use the menu often, it's quite annoying. mainly the evolution composer window16:40
kklimondaseb128: I use it quite a lot in Evolution16:40
seb128so maybe we need to tweak the composer bar to have the useful icons16:41
seb128what actions do you miss there?16:41
seb128kklimonda, well those are small usability issues, it's not like GNOME2 didn't have any16:43
dobeymainly i always have to go to the menu to change the page format. it doesn't have a keybinding or icon because it's a radio selection group now, and not a toggle as it used to be16:43
seb128that doesn't mean they are not improvements in new desktops as well16:43
kklimondaseb128: I don't really use toolbar (probably should have).16:44
dobeyi have lots of problems with unity that are much larger issues, but i don't really have time to go into all of them :(16:44
kklimondarodrigo_: hmm.. any idea what may be a reason for this bug: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kklimonda/wtf.png16:49
kklimondarodrigo_: it's gnome3 from ppa, and I'm running nouveau16:49
mterrytedg, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-datetime/switch-tz-from-menu/+register-merge16:50
mterrytedg, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-datetime/switch-tz-from-menu/+merge/5679116:50
rodrigo_kklimonda, hmm, nouveau driver problem, I guess16:50
kklimondabut it worked fine... two weeks ago16:51
rodrigo_kklimonda, I've seen something similar on unity, moving to another workspace and back fixed it for me16:51
rodrigo_kklimonda, some redraw problem I guess16:51
rodrigo_cyphermox, are you working on this one -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/751751 ?16:53
ubot5Error: Launchpad(https://launchpad.net) bug 751751 not found16:53
cyphermoxrodrigo_, not yet16:54
rodrigo_cyphermox, ok, I'll get it, I think I know wht the problem is16:54
cyphermoxcool :)16:54
rodrigo_cyphermox, in fact, if my fix fixes the problem, that might be the cause of other google backend problems16:57
cyphermoxrodrigo_, I fixed one of the google issues... but what's your fix?16:58
rodrigo_cyphermox, since we are "forcing" 2.32 to use gdata 0.7, that new API expects a GCancellable, and if NULL, it just aborts16:59
rodrigo_0.6 accepted a NULL GCancellable, but not 0.716:59
cyphermoxrodrigo_, awesome, that's something else ;)16:59
rodrigo_but haven't really confirmed yet16:59
rodrigo_cyphermox, what's the other things you're seeing?17:00
cyphermoxrodrigo_, i did the port to 0.7 and messed up in the updated_min call ;)17:00
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cyphermoxrodrigo_, if you want to include my fix in your testing: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/evolution-data-server/lp72043417:02
chrisccoulsondang, my machine is in a right mess after upgrading17:05
chrisccoulsonCannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory17:05
chrisccoulsoni'm guessing that's because the upgrade aborted17:05
rodrigo_cyphermox, ok17:05
chrisccoulsonah, yes. loads of stuff still unconfigured17:06
cyphermoxchrisccoulson, dunno, i saw this this morning too17:06
chrisccoulsoncyphermox, the update aborted because of file conflicts with branding-ubuntu17:06
cyphermoxchrisccoulson, ok17:08
chrisccoulsoncyphermox, bug  753449 is the cause of all my problems17:08
ubot5Launchpad bug 753449 in branding-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "package branding-ubuntu 0.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg', which is also in package quadrapassel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75344917:08
rodrigo_cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/evolution-data-server/fix-gdata-0.7-porting <- I am not sure though if it fixes it, since for me it works both with and without that17:28
rodrigo_cyphermox, so feel free to not include it in your branch17:28
rodrigo_cyphermox, what's the correct libgdata version to have >= 0.7?17:29
rodrigo_I have all these -> http://pastebin.com/xwRUY0mW17:30
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seb128rodrigo_, bounced bug #752468 your way as well though it's mostly a "need details from the submitter"17:37
ubot5Launchpad bug 752468 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution Contacts is very broken in Natty Beta 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75246817:37
seb128it might be due to one of the issues you already worked on or fixed in natty17:38
cyphermoxrodrigo_, you should have 11 -- 0.8.0. libgdata10 is supposed to not be used by anything anymore17:39
cyphermoxrodrigo_, I'll build a local package with your changes and see how well it works for me, and try to reproduce the crash17:41
cyphermoxseb128, Invalid query for Google contacts is what we were just discussing... I messed up the patch to port gdata to 0.717:42
pittiimpressive unity changelog, as always :)17:42
seb128the bug also mention ubuntuone issues17:42
seb128pitti, indeed ;-)17:42
cyphermoxyes... that's definitely something else ;)17:42
rodrigo_seb128, ok17:49
rodrigo_cyphermox, ok17:49
* didrocks waves goodnight17:54
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pittigood night everyone18:45
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nperryTrying the gnome 3 stack and getting  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/mutter/Meta-3.0.typelib', which is also in package gir1.2-mutter-2.91 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build119:14
czajkowskinhandler: /c19:38
* JFo waves19:40
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jcastroLaney: so I did a reinstall today and can confirm this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/gkwvn/i_found_out_how_to_make_banshee_really_fast/20:09
jcastrothat the plugin is enabled by default20:09
jcastroI can't tell if it's any faster or not20:10
jcastrobut think it might be worth investigating20:10
Laneythat's two issues: speed and the open port20:11
Laneythe port is daap sharing20:12
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Laneyjcastro: it's pretty late now, we can revisit the list of default extensions for O if you want?20:18
Laneyunless having daap on by default is a massive problem20:18
mdeslaurLaney: uhm...we need to close the open port20:18
mdeslaurLaney: is the open port daap?20:18
jcastroLaney: your decision, I was just pointing it out.20:19
LaneyCan't say I've been bothered by startup time :-)20:20
jcastroLaney: I wonder if we can measure how much each plugin affects startup? Also, let's say I load it up, hit play, and all these web-enabled plugins spam my network connection, etc.20:20
jcastrobut yeah, O material20:20
LaneyI'd like to do that, and I think upstream would probably be interested too20:21
Laneythings like internet archive can probably go to false without much pain20:21
mdeslaurLaney: so by default, everyone's music is shared on the local network?20:21
jcastromdeslaur: other way around20:22
jcastroif someone is sharing on the network it finds that music20:22
mdeslaurjcastro: I don't seem to have an option to choose if _my_ music is being shared or not...and the open port would seem to indicate it's available to others...or am I missing something?20:23
jcastrowe must be, banshee doesn't have music serving capabilities20:24
bcurtiswxmdeslaur, AFAIK banshee can share your music and get ones from others on the local loopback20:29
Laneyit's some weird proxy20:29
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Laneymdeslaur: apparently it's a proxy which is needed for gst (I don't really understand)20:33
Amaranthhmm, I think I should request emerald be removed from the archive20:33
Laneygabriel is fixing it to bind to localhost only20:33
mdeslaurLaney: for gst? that's odd20:33
AmaranthIt hasn't been updated since hardy and it doesn't work with modern compiz20:34
AmaranthBut now it doesn't compile either so someone finally noticed20:34
mdeslaurLaney: it there a bug open for the open port, so we can track it?20:35
Laneydon't think so20:35
Laneyi will grab the commit20:35
tedgmterry, Are you looking at bug 74356420:35
ubot5Launchpad bug 743564 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "indicator-application-service crashed with SIGSEGV, when starting Quassel Client" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74356420:35
mterrytedg, yeah20:36
mterrytedg, not quite sure why it's happening yet20:36
tedgmterry, Okay.  Don't let me interrupt :-)20:37
mdeslaurLaney: bug 75398620:41
ubot5Launchpad bug 753986 in banshee (Ubuntu) "daap plugin opens port by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75398620:41
Laneycan you confirm that listening to loopback is ok as a fix?20:42
mdeslaurLaney: yeah, that's ok20:43
Laneyjcastro: thanks for the tip20:52
broderwhat X event gets sent when the window in focus changes? is it a CirculateNotify or something else?20:57
broder(i'm trying to follow a code path in compiz)20:57
jcastroLaney: thanks for the quick response!21:04
jbichaI want to experiment with the gnome3 ppa packaging but I don't see the original source in bzr, just the debian directory21:05
jbichaok, I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr which helps some21:17
jbwiv_guys, regarding the gnome3 ppa, after I've added it and apt-get updated, what do I install to actually get gnome3?22:18
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