wgrantlamont, cjwatson, slangasek: No further issues?00:00
lifelesswgrant: buildd umask backstop was gone, and boom00:08
wgrantlifeless: Well, yes, I saw that, but wondered if things were still fixed.00:08
lifelessI don't know if lamont has tracked all the buildds down yet00:08
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lamontlifeless: all should be fixed02:03
lamontwgrant: ^^02:03
lamontwgrant: having said that, recipe builds still have issues  - they also need to not assume that a sane-for-building umask is handed to them.02:04
lifelesslamont: can you file a bug ?02:12
lamontlifeless: I will do so,  and then I'll fix it.02:12
lamontI may even fix it harder02:12
micahgwgrant: would it be a lot of trouble to add the package sets to the FTBFS list for the latest archive rebuild?02:19
wgrantmicahg: The rebuild archive script is currently a fork of the primary archive one.. I need to merge them.02:22
micahgwgrant: ah, ok02:23
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blairkatuYo' I'm on the beta in unity. Does any one know how to change the workspace configuration03:13
blairkatuAnd thanks in advanced.03:13
blairkatuI'm pretty sure there is no way to do it with the UI03:15
smoserjdstrand, around ?03:50
micahgsmoser: should be back in the morning, was off today04:01
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lamontthere will be a brief disturbance in the i386 virtual builder pool07:02
ohsixhm,  is there a reason oss4 still has a package, all i've ever heard is people thinking it'll solve their problems and giving them new ones07:25
TheMusoohsix: I didn't even know there was a package of it.07:25
ohsixsec lemme check the origin07:26
ohsixit's in universe/sound07:26
ohsixoss4-base and some other packages with oss4 in the name07:26
ohsixit's useful for the guy that knows why he's using it instead of just getting it dropped in his lap as some solution from some fan; but the former doesn't likely happen often07:28
didrocksgood morning07:58
ohsixhm, what's the process for say; getting flat-volumes finally enabled in pulseaudio on ubuntu, it is disabled when sinks don't have dB information; but it breaks when the dB information is present but incorrect, the number of devices by now should fit in a small blacklist (they have been fixed as they show up)08:07
ohsixmicahg: i tried those new icedtea drops; didn't expect a change, and didn't get any :]08:13
diwicohsix, hmm, maybe it should be considered for oneiric, if we ship oneiric with what's now in git master, and hopefully a release08:13
dholbachgood morning08:14
diwicmorning dholbach08:14
ohsixdiwic: i'm gonna see about some of those cosmetic/trival patches getting applied upstream too08:14
dholbachhey diwic08:14
diwicohsix, you mean those we carry in Ubuntu currently? That'd be great08:14
ohsixyea, i just read them to verify something else and most look easily transplantable08:15
pittistgraber: looks fine to me08:17
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ohsixdiwic: do you know of a bug i can use as an example when putting in a request that flat-volumes be changed08:32
diwicohsix, not in my head, search for flat volumes on launchpad08:32
ohsixok i will look at those, i was more interested in seeing the general process08:33
DreadKnightohsix: heya; how to connect to eth0 using nmcli again?08:48
ohsixnmcli con list, nmcli con up id or uuid, if it's named "Auto eth0" nmcli con up id "Auto eth0" should work, iirc08:48
Laneywhat's all this "la_backup" stuff all over my filesystem?08:51
DreadKnightohsix: thanks; not working; gotta reinstall I guess08:51
ohsixDreadKnight: if it is temporary you can use dhclient08:51
DreadKnightohsix: oh that was it :D cheers again!08:52
ohsixDreadKnight: if you dont also have nm-applet running there might not be any connections unless you set them up with keyfile, or in system-connections; as i was explaining it to the guy it was a special case08:52
ohsixhe had nm-applet running but no working mouse08:52
ohsixoverlay scrollbars are neat, a bit hard to fish for with a mouse sometimes though, is there a simple way to disable it?08:59
DreadKnightohsix: they're default now or what?09:01
ohsixthis is OT for here, my bad09:01
Daviey@pilot in09:27
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m4n1shcan a package sync be requested as of now?09:27
m4n1shLaney: after which freeze it cannot be synced?09:28
tumbleweedm4n1sh: it can always be synced, but it's less likely to be the option you want, the closer we get to releases. After feature freeze, we only really want bug fixes, not new features09:29
m4n1shtumbleweed: it is not present as default installation09:29
m4n1shand we have tested it extensivly09:30
m4n1shfrom PPA09:30
tumbleweedm4n1sh: you still need to request an FFe if you want to bring a version with new features in09:30
Laneyyou can always request a sync, but when it gets really close to release (like after the RC) it might be an idea to ping the release team too09:30
tumbleweedbut if you show extensive testing, you'll probably get it09:30
m4n1shtumbleweed: its a new version09:32
m4n1shwith some minor small features09:32
m4n1shUI enhancements09:33
m4n1shLaney: where can I find release team?09:33
Davieyhrw, Hi, How did you generate the debdiff for bug 749155?10:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 749155 in ace (Ubuntu) "ace version 5.7.7-4 failed to build on i386 and armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74915510:22
hrwDaviey: dch -i + debuild -S + debdiff10:22
hrwDaviey: ah. I know issue - edited it probably to fix dpatch description ;(10:22
Davieyhrw, v10:23
hrwDaviey: add empty line - should work10:23
hrwsorry for that10:24
kklimondagood morning o/10:24
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hrwhi kklimonda10:24
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Davieyhrw, no problem, thanks for clearing that10:25
hrwDaviey: thx for merging it10:26
hrwDaviey: this week I had a session with few bugs in packages which I never used or known what for they are.10:27
Davieyheh.. good to see them getting fixed.10:27
hrwDaviey: ace was one of simplest ones. but it had longest build time10:27
Davieyhrw, The other thing i was going to say, it's a good idea to run 'update-maintainer' on the package if the version introduces a ubuntu delta.  (ubuntu in the version of debian/changelog)10:28
hrwDaviey: thx - will remember for future10:29
hrwDaviey: part of ubuntu-dev-tools?10:29
Davieyhrw, super.. if you are interested, here is the reasoning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField10:30
ohsixhmmm linux-tools depends on libdw now, i wonder if that means unwinds without frame pointers :D10:30
hrwDaviey: I know problem from my work in few other distributions10:34
dholbach@pilot in10:37
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* dholbach hugs Daviey10:37
Davieyhrw, ahh!10:37
* Daviey embraces the hug.10:38
hrwDaviey: but still forget sometimes about issue10:38
Davieyjuliank, Are you ready for the bzr branch on bug 736507 to be uploaded?10:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 736507 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _convert_struct(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 100: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73650710:38
* hrw builds gcl/armel10:38
mvo_Daviey: its on my sponsoring list, should be fine10:39
juliankDaviey: mvo already prepared the upload10:39
Davieyhrw, We all do... which is why it was coded in to block us from building if it's not done :)10:39
Davieyjuliank, ah, super!10:39
juliankmvo_: Didn't you upload it yet, and why are you logged in twice?10:41
mvojuliank: unity was playing games with me10:42
mvojuliank: its uploaded now, I did some quick tests with it10:42
juliankmvo: OK.10:42
ohsixcan anyone point me at how one requests packaging? cairo-trace isn't in the repos and i thought it was :\10:46
ohsixnm they're packaged10:48
dholbachseb128, do you know what's going on with https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/gtksourceview3/natty-201104070312/+merge/56681?10:49
dholbachit looks like there are no visible changes between the two10:49
ohsixseb128: hi, you've touched a lot of my bugs lately, thanks!10:50
seb128dholbach, no, ask james_w, I've no clue why the autoimporter doesn't work as it should10:50
seb128ohsix, you're welcome!10:50
dholbachseb128, shall I go ahead and merge it to make the importer happy again?10:50
seb128dholbach, he keeps opening weird bugs like this one10:50
seb128dholbach, dunno we maintain that in a team vcs with only the debian dir10:50
dholbachok, I'll ask james_w10:51
seb128dholbach, I've no clue why the importer gets confused and why there is a conflict10:51
seb128something is just buggy and wrong10:51
dholbachdoes anybody know what's up with pbuilder in natty? (might be a linux-any build-dep problem?)11:26
dholbachI can't build usbmuxd from sid11:26
dholbach(natty i386 pbuilder on natty i386 if that matters)11:26
dholbachmvo, do you have an idea what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbuilder/+bug/728494?11:32
ubottuUbuntu bug 728494 in Launchpad itself "pbuilder-satisfydepends breaks on comments before source package" [High,Triaged]11:32
dholbach(a good example of it is trying to build usbmuxd from sid on natty)11:32
mvodholbach: I have a look in a minute11:35
cjwatsonkees: what's the point of vmlinuz being mode 0600?  as policy points out, anyone can just look up the version and get the image from the archive - it's not secret11:39
cjwatsonkees: and it broke live CD builds11:39
cjwatson(easily fixed, but)11:40
juliankmvo: The fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/750694 is in debian-sid11:43
ubottuUbuntu bug 750694 in apt (Ubuntu) "Directories titled "Sources" cause apt-cdrom to fail" [Undecided,Fix committed]11:43
pittilikewise the System.map?11:43
mvojuliank: nice11:50
mvojuliank: the fix for the multiarch issue from yesterday is in donkults branch now too11:52
mvojuliank: I will upload a new ubuntu version with those fixes11:52
juliankmvo: We could also upload them to Debian and merge11:59
mvojuliank: yep. bug #404724 looks like a low hanging fruit, making it root.admin and 640 should do no harm12:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404724 in apt (Ubuntu) "unnecessarily restrictive permissions on /var/log/apt/term.log" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40472412:00
juliankmvo: That would be one more Ubuntu-specific change (Debian has sudo, not admin) and not really bring any benefit.12:01
mvohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/704595 might be a interessting one too12:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 704595 in apt (Ubuntu) "Python-apt shows emply origins object" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:05
mvo(its libapt though)12:05
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juliankmvo: That's a "I'm can't verify the signature, so I ignore attributes" case12:08
juliankmvo: I'm going to eat something now (or at least I hope it's ready), should be back in a 20 minutes12:11
mvojuliank: ok12:11
mvojuliank: see you12:11
juliankmvo: Back, and yes, that's really one of those cases where the release.gpg could not be verified due to missing keyrings. If verification fails, component, etc., are ignored12:40
mvoI wonder what it takes to fix that its ignored12:43
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juliankmvo: I take a look at it12:51
juliankmvo: GPG method fails, causing acquire to unlink the release files and load the package13:04
juliankor more specifically, the file remains in partial/13:04
seb128who is handling ubottu?13:19
seb128can we get it on #ubuntu-desktop as well?13:19
vishseb128: jpds ?13:19
seb128jpds, ^13:19
dholbachtsimpson, ^13:21
tsimpsonI guess one of the bots died13:22
chrisccoulsoni could use some help from someone on foundations for bug 663294 really :) (see from comment 17)13:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 663294 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) "Firefox built with gcc-4.5 is a non-starter on i386 with -pie" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66329413:23
tsimpsonseb128: ubot5 is there now13:23
dholbachmvo, it could be that 728494 is a separate problem from building sid's usbmuxd in pbuilder under natty13:24
seb128tsimpson, thanks a lot13:24
stgraberpitti: ok, I'll commit that to the bzr branch and upload13:29
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om26eri get "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg" now system won't boot, this have happened the third time over the past month in Natty13:40
ohsixom26er: your initramfs is damaged, or isn't getting created properly13:41
ohsixthis isn't a support channel though13:41
om26erbut its a bug which have not fixed for more than a month so that makes it a concern ;(13:42
om26erand i didn't find any duplicate13:42
om26ershould I try to update-initramfs in chroot?13:43
ohsixwell, it hasn't been determined that its a bug yet13:43
ohsixsure, you can try; but chances are whatever broke it in the first place will do it again13:44
om26erohsix, arand in #ubuntu+1 confims to have faced this issue with btrfs as well, so a bug ;)13:49
cjwatsonthe btrfs problem is specific to btrfs13:49
cjwatsonif you aren't using btrfs then you have a different problem13:50
om26ermy / is on btrfs cjwatson13:50
ohsixbtrfs isn't running out of bugs either13:50
cjwatsonthen it's bug 73214913:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 732149 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "[natty] btrfs "grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73214913:50
cjwatson(a consequence of it, anyway)13:51
ohsixhow does it get to not building the initramfs, or is it just cuz grub can't find its files on btrfs13:51
om26ercjwatson, i saw the 732149 only when I had /boot on btrfs this time /boot is ext4 so I might havea  different problem ?13:51
cjwatsonohsix: at least the cases I've seen aren't that the initramfs wasn't built, but that because grub-probe isn't able to understand btrfs properly it isn't emitting rootflags=subvol=@13:52
cjwatsonohsix: and, yes, you could also have boot-time problems failing to find the file13:52
ohsixso it can't reach its file13:52
ohsixk thanks for the info13:52
cjwatsonin general it seems to be a transient problem13:53
cjwatsonwhich doesn't yet imply it's been fixed, but rather that the conditions that cause problems in grub's filesystem code seem to come and go13:53
cjwatsonI've tried to gather information from affected people but it's been too hard to debug remotely; I need to reproduce it in a vm and debug locally13:54
cjwatsonso it's gone into my queue of stuff like that13:54
cjwatsonit's about third or fourth in that queue, I think13:54
ohsixcan the grub test shell program thing use raw volumes? might be able to tease it from there13:54
cjwatsonmy ADSL is too slow for it to be feasible for me to fetch a whole filesystem13:55
cjwatsonI have some likely candidates for ways to reproduce it13:55
ohsixah i figured creating your own13:55
cjwatsononce I have reproduced it, I am familiar with how to debug that kind of thing :)13:56
ohsixis grub out of sync as far as the disk format is concerned or is it stable enough that not finding the files would be a grub problem13:56
cjwatsonI don't know the answer to that question13:56
cjwatsonI expect I'll find that out13:56
cjwatsonI don't think it's worth speculating in advance13:56
ohsixit shouldn't be too hard to check grub policy wrt it since it's still in flux, which is what i'm going to do13:57
ohsixit maeks sense for it to lag in the bootloader given the state of development, and there was an on disk format not too long ago, too; might have landed in .3813:57
cjwatsonthe boot loader code was (necessarily) reverse-engineered from some docs13:58
ohsixdrop an assertion bomb on the thing13:58
cjwatsonas I say, I know how to debug grub once I've reproduced it locally13:59
om26ercjwatson, adding rootflags=subvol=@ to grub parameter worked :) thanks to arand13:59
ohsixarand was talking about snapshots too; but they were still speculating because theres not much info yet14:00
hallynhm.  has anyone tried to create a btrfs partition as part of the desktop installer process?14:01
ohsixprobably the people with the problems they're having now14:01
arandI did mine using ubiquity yes, and it worked apart from these issues here..14:01
cjwatsonyes, and there are bug reports from some of those people14:01
hallynoh, haha, i see, that was already on topic14:02
hallynthe partitioner went berzerk on me long before it even got to trying to install14:02
cjwatsonthat would probably be a different problem14:03
hallyni'll file a new bug then, thanks14:03
cjwatsonhave you filed a bug?14:03
ohsixsure is an odd way to poke at it; when it can all fail and take your stuff with it, i'd be using losetup and a disk file or something D:14:03
cjwatsonwe offer it in the installer in order that people can do system-level testing, which often isn't feasible with a loop mount14:04
LaneyIs something wrong with the new procps? http://paste.debian.net/113289/14:05
ohsixi understand that, but its a buzzword to some people right now, they might not know the implications14:05
cjwatsonohsix: can't help that14:07
ohsixi suppose not, hopefully people complain loudly though14:08
cjwatsonwe aren't going to get useful feedback if only experts ever use it14:08
ohsixwhen the time comes it'll be awesome for ubuiquitous snapshotting and backups14:08
Daviey@pilot out14:10
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arandohsix: Using apt-btrfs-snapshot has a tendency to eat some disk space though... So it would have to be done in moderatioin..14:10
ohsixoh neat, i was just talking about filesystem level stuff14:11
ohsixi haven't looked as i wont be able to use it for some time anyways, but can't you set the percentage and number of snapshots to keep? then the distro can turn that into weekly, daily, monthly14:12
arandohsix: Yea I assume those features are planned, that one is very basic atm now though.14:13
jibelYokoZar, hi, we are receiving many dups of bug 75344914:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 753449 in branding-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "package branding-ubuntu 0.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg', which is also in package quadrapassel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75344914:14
hrwI just got hit by that one too - thx for info that it is known14:14
ohsixarand: you can do it with lvm but its very expensive :\14:15
Laneyhmm, seems to only be broken in a chroot14:16
arandohsix: Yea, not really feasible for more than temporary snaps from what I've read on it.14:18
mvoev: thanks for your apt-clone work! I uploaded a new version with your fixes and also with a fix for the xubuntu upgrade-via-install case14:19
hrwbtw - when is freeze for any universe uploads (including NEW packages)?14:20
hallyncjwatson: I created bug 753510.  I'm going to wipe the drive and try again - if you want me to wait in case you want some more info off the machine, pls shout14:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 753510 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Partition manager bombs trying to create btrfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75351014:21
cjwatsonhallyn: no /var/log/partman?14:22
cjwatsonwe need that for partitioner bugs14:22
cjwatson(for future reference, 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' should work, if the machine is network-connected)14:23
cjwatson(probably not going to be able to look today, though)14:24
evmvo: yay, thanks!14:26
hallyn/var/log/partman looked useless, but i'll attach it14:28
cjwatsonhallyn: we need it to reproduce what you did14:28
cjwatsonknowing where it stops is often useful too14:29
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ohsixarand: and the more complex filesystems get it actually gets worse14:33
ohsixsince its block level after a snap the log goes through the snapshot, which means everything ets diverted twice or more14:34
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Riddellmvo: ok if I upload update-manager for bug 746431 ?14:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 746431 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) "[kubuntu] Allow to view differences in conf file changes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74643114:43
mvoRiddell: sure, pleae just make sure to use bzr-buildpackage as its using a pre-build hook14:44
mvoRiddell: I can do the upload too if needed14:44
Riddellmvo: bzr-buildpackage doing its thing14:45
Riddellmvo: what is parsewiki needed for?14:47
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mvoRiddell: just to make nice html from my text annoucement14:50
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Riddellmvo: what do I need to do to get past this? http://paste.kde.org/9127/15:14
mvoRiddell: *cough* let me fix that, that is rahter silly15:18
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MonkeyDustfolks, idea for future installers: some kind of software center during installation15:35
ohsixyou mean like software center? :D15:36
MonkeyDustwell, yes15:39
MonkeyDustor choosing trusted PPA's during installation15:47
alfmatosanyone from the network-manager team around?15:50
MonkeyDustUbuntu Tweak offers a selection of PPA's, too, graphically, why not use such option during installation15:50
birdthiefI'm on Natty and the touchpad no longer works15:52
ohsixalfmatos: try your question on me15:52
birdthiefx and lsinput both find it.15:52
alfmatosohsix, just trying to wrap my head around how the packaging is actually done, because there is an upstream branch, a branch for each release, + a debian branch. How is the merging actually done (src+vcs-debian-folder) ? Is it manual?15:54
jdstranddidrocks: hi! I don't seem to have an Ubuntu logo in the upper left of my screen anymore (eg, next to the global menu). Is this intended? known?15:57
didrocksjdstrand: oh no, it's not, do you have the window buttons at the upper left or just the menu title?15:58
alfmatosmaybe fta can help? i see his name popping up all over the daily builds ppa's15:59
jdstranddidrocks: the window buttons are in the window, not part of the global menu. eg, I am typing this in irssi in gnome-terminal. I have the window buttons in this terminal. I have no Ubuntu logo in the upper left of the screen, but it does say 'Terminal' in the upper left, over where the logo should be16:00
jdstranddidrocks: if I go full screen for the terminal, they show up in the global menu16:00
didrocksjdstrand: do you have one or two monitor?16:00
ohsixalfmatos: ah, can't field that one, sorry16:00
didrocksjdstrand: or is your setup is "mirror screen" or whatever with only one monitor?16:00
alfmatosohsix, np :)16:01
jdstranddidrocks: I have two monitors, but mirrored at the same resolution because of bug #71195416:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 711954 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot use external monitor at its native resolution" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71195416:01
didrocksjdstrand: I think it's what is the trick16:02
didrocksjdstrand: I'm in the middle of an unity release, I don't think we have a fix for that. Do you mind just updating and report it after the update?16:02
jdstranddidrocks: well, it is 'mirrored'-- ie, the screen should be exactly the same on both16:02
didrocksprobably what traps it16:03
jdstranddidrocks: sure, I can wait. I tried to find a bug on it, but couldn't. no worries16:03
didrocksjdstrand: I think there is a similar one, not exactly the same, but similar, but anyway, just open one with the incoming release16:03
* jdstrand nods16:03
jdstranddidrocks: thanks!16:03
didrocksjdstrand: thanks to you :)16:04
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alfmatosfta, around?16:14
aruizis anyone having problems with matplotlib in natty?16:15
jdstrandmicahg: hey, in testing my fix for bug #750381, I tried youtube with gnash, but it doesn't work too well. istr you mentioning that gnash should work quite well-- is youtube known broken? (I don't see an open bug on it)16:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 750381 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "gnash configs blocked by apparmor" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75038116:16
micahgjdstrand: are you running 0.8.9?  when I tested it, it seemed to be pretty smooth16:16
* micahg wonders if it's a video driver issue16:17
jdstrandmicahg: 0.8.8-6ubuntu216:17
jdstrandmicahg: oh no, youtube just tells me there was an error and it doesn't even try to play it16:17
alfmatosany idea on where I can find some documentation on how to maintain separate src/upstream and Vcs-Bzr (debian dir bzr branch only) branches?16:17
micahgjdstrand: please upgrade to 0.8.9, I uploaded it a couple days ago16:17
jdstrandweird, I did an apt-get upgrade this morning...16:18
jdstrandah, binary new16:18
* jdstrand looks16:18
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birdthiefohsix: I figured it out16:39
YokoZarpitti: Can I poke you on https://launchpad.net/bugs/753449  please?  All the latest branding-ubuntu upload did was give it the correct name16:41
ubottuUbuntu bug 753449 in branding-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "package branding-ubuntu 0.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg', which is also in package quadrapassel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Triaged]16:41
* YokoZar just noticed he uploaded a package with a changelog entry referring to differences in debian/changelog...16:42
psusi/msg psusi hi there.  I'm throwing in my application for16:47
psusi     universe-contributor and was hopign you might endorse me.  If you have16:47
psusi     time to take a look, it's at16:47
psusi     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication16:47
pittimdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda seems to be rather empty right now, do we have something urgent to discuss?16:48
pittimdz: currently asking myself whether I can weasel out of this today, and go to a friend's bday party16:49
cjwatsonoh argh, I forgot about that - I can't make today's meeting, sorry16:49
pittiit's really late now in DST16:49
mdzpitti, I may have to miss it too...16:49
mdzthere is some unanswered email on the mailing list16:50
mdzoh, pitti answered it16:50
pittiabout the motu-council thing?16:51
mvoRiddell: I fixed the test, will upload after diinner17:01
Riddellthanks mvo17:05
mvoRiddell: uploading now, it as a native python test proxy now it was rather silly to depned on a external one17:05
* mvo is really away for dinner now17:05
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pittiYokoZar: (on the phone, will look in a bit)17:14
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jdstrandmicahg: fyi, gnash 0.8.9 bin deNEWed and works well :)17:18
micahgjdstrand: awesome, thanks17:18
Laneydoes it support the bbc iplayer? :-)17:19
YokoZarpitti: Thank you muchly :)17:19
micahgLaney: I know it doesn't support streamtheworld yet, I need to file an upstream bug for that17:19
* Laney tries17:20
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Laneyno :-(17:24
jdstranddidrocks: fyi, noticed libunity stuck in binary NEW (due to new libunity4), so I deNEWed it17:24
lamontSetting up lmodern (2.004.1-3) ...17:25
lamont/usr/sbin/update-language-def: line 779: printf: missing unicode digit for \u17:25
lamont^^ I wonder if that has a bug filed yet17:25
didrocksjdstrand: oh thanks! :)17:25
micahglamont: yes, with a patch attached17:26
micahgbug 75103817:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 751038 in tex-common (Ubuntu) "/usr/sbin/update-language-def: line 779: printf: missing unicode digit for \u" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75103817:27
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alfmatosquestion: is there a convention for a debian control dir in launchpad, either to hold it in debian/ or at the root of the branch?17:51
alfmatosthe difference I assume is either doing a nest or a nest-part debian debian, right?17:52
alfmatos(in the recipes)17:52
micahgalfmatos: recipes help in #launchpad17:56
alfmatosooh, ok17:56
alfmatosubuntu packaging in launchapd also?17:57
micahgalfmatos: nope, ubuntu packaging in #ubuntu-packaging :)17:57
alfmatosdooh =)17:57
cjwatsonI have a theory17:59
cjwatsonbugs get less comprehensible the further through the release cycle you get18:00
directhexflibble wibble wurble!!!18:00
cjwatsonI seem to have had about five almost completely inscrutable ones in a row :-/18:00
micahgI have a corollary, the complication of the bug is inversely proportional to the time available to fix it :)18:00
cjwatsonalso, the complication of the bug is inversely proportional to the size of the patch needed to fix it18:01
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keescjwatson: because it is a way to block script-kiddie root exploits. while it doesn't even remotely stop a dedicated attacker, it does actually stop simplistic attacks, and I feel that has real-world value. sorry about the breakage; thank you for working around it.18:17
cjwatsonkees: that's one regression caused by it, but I don't know if there will be others.  are you open to reverting until oneiric if we find more?18:19
keesgiven that I've already seen vmlinuz-parsing-for-kernel-symbols tools in the wild, I'd prefer not to revert it, but if there is strong evidence that it will cause continued problems, I'm open to reverting it. I'd really like to try to leave it because then all of the ksym-obfuscation will hit people all in the natty cycle (instead of spreading it out).18:20
cjwatsonok, we'll see how it goes18:20
stgraberSpamapS: ping18:29
stgraberSpamapS: I'm looking at bug 752393. I installed the packages listed in the bug report but don't get the same output you do in /var/log/boot.log18:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 752393 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb init scripts show line buffering problems on bootup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75239318:29
stgraberSpamapS: anything I might be missing ?18:30
stgraberSpamapS: my boot.log just shows fsck, apparmor, bind9, postgresql and apache2 (which I had installed) but not samba, squid or pretty much any of the ones you have in your log file18:31
pittiif [ "$1" != "upgrade" ] || dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 0.4-0ubuntu1; then18:34
pittiYokoZar: it won't actually re-divert when upgrading from 0.5 to 0.6 :)18:34
YokoZarpitti: didn't you write that line? ;)18:35
pittiYokoZar: not sure, it's your changelog18:35
pittiYokoZar: but anyway, fixing/testing now18:35
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YokoZarpitti: I mean the maintainer scripts were rewritten by you previous version but the quadrapassel problem was unnoticed because the package still had gnometris filenames so the conflict never happened (and I imagine everyone who had the package had gnome-games installed)18:36
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pittiYokoZar: ok, fixed18:45
* pitti waves good night18:45
YokoZarpitti: have a good time at party :)18:47
YokoZarThank you for cleaning up what was probably my mess too :p18:47
senseBug #753853 seems to have the potential to make many Natty machines unbootable after update. Shouldn't the latest udev update be pulled from the archive to prevent it from spreading?18:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 753853 in udev (Ubuntu) "[natty] The disc drive for / is not ready yet or not present" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75385318:50
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stgrabersense: do you know if that's udev -ubuntu3 causing it or 167 in general ?18:59
sensestgraber: I only now that it happened after the update for udev that landed today.19:00
sensestgraber: and that there are at least two people in #ubuntu+1 with the same problem.19:01
stgrabersense: -0ubuntu2 and -0ubuntu3 fix some divert issues so I'm not sure how that could be the cause (unles you're keeping an old divert for some reason)19:01
sensestgraber: Hmmm, that is strange. But the processes only started crashing after today's update. Could it have been something else that landed today?19:02
stgrabersense: can you check if /sbin/udevadm.upgrade exists on your system, if so, what's the content ? and also give the md5sum and (if text file) content of your /sbin/udevadm ?19:02
stgrabersense: I want to make sure you're not using the diverted version for some reason19:02
sensestgraber: I'll grab a live usb stick.19:02
sensethanks for your help19:02
stgraberversion 167 landed on Monday (new upstream version), -0ubuntu2 landed on the same day (divert fixes) and then I uploaded another today to fix issues when someone has an half-upgraded udev package and upgrade to -0ubuntu219:03
stgraberIt's not impossible that -0ubuntu2 or -0ubuntu3 might break udev but let's say if it's a feature issue, it's more likely that -0ubuntu1 did it19:04
senseThat would make more sense indeed.19:04
stgraberce6894e12ff09b07cad331d5ad91894a  /sbin/udevadm19:09
stgraber/sbin/udevadm: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped19:09
stgraber-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 123K 2011-04-07 08:43 /sbin/udevadm19:09
stgrabersense: is what I have with the package installed on amd6419:09
sense/sbin/udevadm.upgrade exists and its content is not readable by vi. /sbin/udevadm is a text file, copied it to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/59090819:09
stgraberouch, seems like udev didn't upgrade properly in your case19:10
sensestgraber: wait, I think I now what could have caused this.19:10
stgrabersense: can you do: grep udev /var/lib/dpkg/diversions ?19:10
sensestgraber: branding-ubuntu also got updated todya, but the new version fails during installation.19:10
stgrabersense: and also make sure the package is in a clean state (ii)19:10
sensethat aborts the whole thing and for me it crashed aptd19:11
stgrabersense: ouch, yeah, that'd be really bad for udev19:11
stgraberas in, computer won't reboot19:11
stgrabersense: can you run: "dpkg -l | grep udev" to confirm ?19:11
senseI can't run commands on the system, using an openSUSE live USB-stick I had lying around to see the filesystem. Looking into the grep thing now.19:12
sensestgraber: that grep command returns /sbin/udevadm /sbin/udevadm.upgrade and fake-udev19:13
stgrabersense: chroot <target> dpkg -l | grep udev19:13
sensestgraber: architecture mismatch19:13
stgraberoh, not cool :)19:13
senseI did that properly!19:13
senseNo architecture mismatch, will try it.19:13
stgraberstgraber@castiana:~$ cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep "Package: udev" -A119:14
stgraberPackage: udev19:14
stgraberStatus: install ok installed19:14
stgraberI'm guessing you don't have the "install ok installed" in your case ...19:14
senselibudev0 and udev are both iU19:14
sensenot ii19:14
stgraberok, and the branding package is also iU ?19:14
senseand libgudev-1.0-0 and lubudev-dev are iU too.19:14
sensestgraber: The branding package is still ii, with 0.5 installed, but 0.6 is causing the problems during upgrade, which prevent it from being installed.19:15
senseJust got confirmation from one of the other persons with the same problem that he also had branding-ubuntu making aptd crash during update.19:15
stgrabersense: can you try: chroot <target> dpkg --configure -a ?19:16
stgraberor apt-get -f install depending where it's stuck19:16
sensestgraber: That is finishing the setting up process of libgudev-1.0-0, libgudev-1.0-dev and compiz-plugins-main.19:16
sensestgraber: it also ran update-initramfs...19:17
senserebooting the system now to see if the problems are gone19:17
sensestgraber: Issue solved! Thank you very much for your help!19:22
stgraberno problem. I hope not too many people will get the same issue :(19:22
sensestgraber: It really shouldn't happen that a package like branding-ubuntu can cause this to happen.19:23
SpamapSwow... that was awful.. 2 hours repairing the system because ubuntuone-syncd ran rampant with memory during an upgrade interrupting 'update-initramfs' .. DOH19:44
SpamapSstgraber: I didn't install postgres or bind9.. :-P19:45
SpamapSstgraber: I did this on a clean natty vm19:45
stgraberSpamapS: yeah, I chose some extra stuff installing the VM ;)19:46
stgraberSpamapS: going to retry with absolutely nothing then install the same packages that you have and see if I can get the same boot.log19:46
SpamapSstgraber: I used kirkland's quick seed...19:46
SpamapSstgraber: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/03/ubuntu-server-quick-install-no.html ... good stuff :)19:47
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* kirkland high fives SpamapS !19:49
SpamapSkirkland: high speed VM building. :)19:51
kirklandSpamapS: check out RoAkSoAx's work with cobbler and koan!!!19:51
SpamapSI'm sure its magnificent19:53
RoAkSoAxSpamapS: do it with cobbler :)20:01
SpamapSRoAkSoAx: virt-manager's working great, thanks. :)20:02
* SpamapS has got to know when to say no to shiny things.. even tho cobbler is tempting20:02
RoAkSoAxSpamapS: haha yeah I also use virt-manager a lot but right now installing from  ccobbler with  kirkland's NQA stuff is just magivcal20:09
RoAkSoAxSpamapS: 1 command and a few minutes of wait20:09
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bigcx2hey all20:52
bigcx2i'm trying to create a package that uses dpkg-divert20:52
bigcx2to install a new configuration file20:52
bigcx2and i want it to run non-interactively20:53
bigcx2however, i always get the prompt asking if i want to use the package maintainer's version or keep the current version on the system20:53
bigcx2is there any way to skip this in the maintainer scripts?20:53
broderbigcx2: i don't know exactly what you're trying to do, but have you heard of config-package-dev?20:54
bigcx2or does this have to be done with dpkg, apt-get options20:54
broderit sounds like it does the sort of thing you're trying to do20:54
bigcx2broder: thanks, looking :)20:56
broderbigcx2: the important piece is that you install your file to a path with a suffix, and then c-p-d handles creating a symlink from the real path to your suffix'd path20:56
bigcx2so it essentially uses dpkg-divert and symlinking using cdbs?21:00
bigcx2i don't see anything in there about user prompting21:00
broderbigcx2: you get that prompt if both the user and the package have changed the config file in question21:01
bigcx2the user hasn't changed the conf file in my scenario21:02
bigcx2basically my package pre-depends on a package that installs a conf file21:03
bigcx2and then during preinst, i use dpkg-divert to move that file21:03
bigcx2which works fine, but i get that prompt21:03
broderyou get the prompt for the file you moved?21:04
bigcx2with dpkg-divert, yea21:05
bigcx2i use dh_install to install the file21:05
broderbigcx2: hmm...i'm not sure exactly what's going on off the top of my head, and don't really have the time to debug, but i'd recommend trying config-package-dev anyway and seeing if your problem just goes away :)21:08
bigcx2broder: lol, ok21:08
Ampelbeinslangasek: hi, I have sent an email to ubuntu-devel about the multiarch libraries in universe. basically it is down to 3 packages needing a fix (libfsobasics, emerald and nbtk), 6 are to be removed in my opinion, 4 are waiting on libfsobasics rebuild and 1 should be synced from debian.21:44
Ampelbeinslangasek: the 3 that need a fix are out of my knowledge, so I can't help further :-(21:45
slangasekAmpelbein: wow, great work!21:47
seb128kees, hey21:48
slangasekAmpelbein: I don't know how to fix libfsobasics or nbtk either and I haven't looked at emerald... don't feel bad that you didn't fix them21:48
keesseb128: hi!21:50
seb128kees, how are you?21:50
seb128kees, I was just reading the tb meeting logs21:50
keesseb128: good! in a meeting at the moment, but can multitask :)21:50
seb128kees, could you give specifics about your issues with the classic session?21:50
Ampelbeinslangasek: thanks.21:51
stgraberSpamapS: I still can't reproduce the exact boot.log that you have, but I'm suspecting a race condition or something similar on my machine as I don't get the same content every reboot :)21:51
seb128kees, the only changes we did over 10.10 was to replace the clock applet by its indicator equivalent by default and fix bugs21:52
keesseb128: oh, I have only personally encountered one issue (that I think you just fixed). the menu bar in the top panel was stealing the menus from apps21:52
seb128kees, so I find your concerns about it surprising21:52
keesseb128: I've heard complaints about session-saving going away, but I think that's unrelated to unity integration21:52
seb128kees, if anything we fixed a lot of bugs21:52
seb128kees, right, that never worked correctly and leaded to lot of bugs where people get their session screwed21:53
stgraberSpamapS: would it be possible for you to send me a "dpkg -l" of your system just to make sure I'm not missing something ?21:53
seb128kees, i.e empty desktop on login because required component get wrongly stored in the session and other similar issues21:53
keesseb128: well, my current concern is over the name. "Classic Gnome Desktop" is not what I get. I get "Classic Ubuntu Desktop". if it were "Classic Gnome", I wouldn't have the indicators, e.g. There _were_ gone earlier in Natty, but have since returned, which I think is a mislabelling of the session type.21:54
seb128kees, since we don't have the ressources to fix the session saving we decided to turn if off to avoid misleading users to think it works21:54
keesseb128: yeah, I never used session saving, and I had brought it up incorrectly as an example. I don't know much about it.21:54
slangasekseb128: I think you and I have different definitions of "work correctly", fwiw; when I lose all of my open terminals, etc. when I logout (or experience an X or kernel crash), and nothing comes back at all for me, I don't consider that working correctly21:54
seb128slangasek, session saving never worked correctly...21:55
seb128slangasek, that's nothing new21:55
slangasekseb128: I've been meaning to raise this point on ubuntu-desktop and see what can be done to retain this functionality for those of us who expect it21:55
slangasekseb128: session saving used to work well enough that I didn't have to spend 20 minutes after a reboot putting my desktop back in order21:55
seb128but rather than having it half working and screwing some users enough so they go no session or an empty desktop we just turned it off21:55
seb128slangasek, it sort of work if you only have one session type, i.e GNOME21:57
seb128slangasek, it really screw if you switch between GNOME2, gnome-shell or unity21:57
slangasekseb128: I'm willing to put some effort into fixing this for my use case, if someone can point me in the right direction21:57
slangasekseb128: right - I don't switch between these so that hasn't hit me yet :)21:57
seb128slangasek, I think some people wanted to have a session at UDS21:57
seb128but right now it screwed quite some users21:58
slangasekAt the upcoming UDS?  That won't solve the problems I'm experiencing21:58
slangaseknow, I can hack gnome-session locally to reenable saving, but that won't help other users either21:58
seb128do you have a better suggestion?21:58
mdeslaurI don't think having a blacklist of applications the session saver shouldn't be saving is a hard thing to implement21:58
slangasekseb128: no concrete suggestion yet... let's take this to the list where we can discuss it better.  For now, I just want to make it known that I'm available to hack on this :)21:59
seb128mdeslaur, didrocks did like 5 iterations of patches, it's not designed to handle different sessions like GNOME and unity21:59
seb128or GNOME2 and gnome-shell21:59
seb128slangasek, ok thanks21:59
mdeslaurseb128: oh, interesting...did those patches get uploaded, or were they private?21:59
mdeslaur(I mean, in a ppa)21:59
seb128mdeslaur, they landed in 10.10 and natty22:00
seb128but we kept getting new bugs and broken cases22:00
seb128we decided at the rally to stop wasting time on that22:00
mdeslaurseb128: ok, cool thanks22:00
seb128it was getting time consuming in debugging users and patching over what we estimated was worth it22:00
seb128nobody raised concerns until now either22:01
seb128but it's a bit late in the cycle now22:01
slangasekseb128: but speaking of me sticking my fingers into the desktop, I have made no progress on this gio issue :(  One possibility is if some other code is calling g_io_modules_load_all_in_directory("/usr/lib/gio/modules") and missing the multiarch dir, but I haven't found where this code would be22:01
mdeslaurseb128: that's usually how it works :)22:01
tjaaltonfor me, getting terminals and browser windows in the right positions (and workspaces) is/was important22:01
seb128slangasek, hum ok, what about just moving back the bamf .so back to the old dir for natty?22:02
seb128getting things on the right workspace and position never worked fine or only on some applications22:02
seb128you better do it the pitti way and write a script using devilspie or something to do that at login for you22:03
seb128geometry and position storing is not really something the session has a status on22:03
slangasekseb128: fwiw, I didn't raise this concern earlier because I wasn't running natty on my laptop until beta, and the discussion of this change happened only on ubuntu-desktop whose list description is "Desktop Team co-ordination and discussion" so I've never realized I should subscribe there to find out about changes like this... for my part, I would appreciate it if such changes were communicated to ubuntu-devel to get a wider audience, bu22:03
seb128it relies on applications to handle it themself which most don't22:03
slangasek... meantime I'll subscribe to ubuntu-desktop :)22:03
tjaaltondon't know if it's firefox that tries to move the windows to where they were, but they all end up in the first workspace22:04
tjaaltonmaybe it's just a firefox regression, or compiz, or both22:04
slangasekseb128: yes, we can move bamf.so back to the old dir - I still would like to understand the cause of the bug however, since glib-networking also uses that directory22:04
seb128slangasek, to be honest nobody in the desktop team consider it as something working or clearly available to user, like it was not on the logout dialog but hidden in a tab of a configuration capplet22:04
seb128when we discussed it22:05
seb128so we didn't think it was worth bringing on the devel list22:05
seb128but seems we were wrong22:05
seb128sorry about that22:05
slangasekah, but if you got bug reports, doesn't that mean people had found that toggle and were using it? :-D22:05
Sarvatt_would be nice if we could at least pick the default session type in the installer since enabling automatic login forces unity22:05
seb128right, most not of them not understanding what is was doing and getting very confused22:06
slangasekbut no worries - I'll just see what we can do to fix it for release22:06
seb128there is also no way to get back to a clean session once you pressed the button22:06
seb128which confused a lot of users as well22:06
seb128like they did a snapshot of a session but clicking there and had it stored until someone on a bug report explained them how to reset it22:06
seb128Sarvatt_, you can select it in gdmsetup or logout and pick a different session and log in again22:07
YokoZar3 cheers for seb128 on the gnome-panel change :)22:11
j1mchi all - i had a couple of basic questions about unity that i think are appropriate for here. i basically wanted to get the unity component names right.22:16
j1mc- is there an official name for the 'ubuntu button' in the upper-left portion of the screen?22:16
j1mc- is the launcher on the left-hand side called 'the launcher,' or is there a different name for it?22:17
chrisccoulsonj1mc, this might be appropriate for you - http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements22:17
chrisccoulsoni think that answers your questions22:17
j1mc- the menus in the top panel, are they collectively called 'application indicators?'22:17
j1mcchrisccoulson: thanks - i'll have a look at them.22:18
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