[00:00] lamont, cjwatson, slangasek: No further issues? [00:08] wgrant: buildd umask backstop was gone, and boom [00:08] lifeless: Well, yes, I saw that, but wondered if things were still fixed. [00:08] partly [00:08] I don't know if lamont has tracked all the buildds down yet === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === a3Dman- is now known as a3Dman === yofel_ is now known as yofel === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [02:03] lifeless: all should be fixed [02:03] wgrant: ^^ [02:04] wgrant: having said that, recipe builds still have issues - they also need to not assume that a sane-for-building umask is handed to them. [02:12] lamont: can you file a bug ? [02:12] lifeless: I will do so, and then I'll fix it. [02:12] \o/ [02:12] I may even fix it harder [02:19] wgrant: would it be a lot of trouble to add the package sets to the FTBFS list for the latest archive rebuild? [02:22] micahg: The rebuild archive script is currently a fork of the primary archive one.. I need to merge them. [02:23] wgrant: ah, ok === TerminX_ is now known as TerminX === asac_ is now known as asac [03:13] Yo' I'm on the beta in unity. Does any one know how to change the workspace configuration [03:13] And thanks in advanced. [03:15] I'm pretty sure there is no way to do it with the UI [03:50] jdstrand, around ? [04:01] smoser: should be back in the morning, was off today [04:01] thanks. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [07:02] there will be a brief disturbance in the i386 virtual builder pool [07:25] hm, is there a reason oss4 still has a package, all i've ever heard is people thinking it'll solve their problems and giving them new ones [07:25] ohsix: I didn't even know there was a package of it. [07:26] sec lemme check the origin [07:26] it's in universe/sound [07:26] oss4-base and some other packages with oss4 in the name [07:28] it's useful for the guy that knows why he's using it instead of just getting it dropped in his lap as some solution from some fan; but the former doesn't likely happen often [07:58] good morning [08:07] hm, what's the process for say; getting flat-volumes finally enabled in pulseaudio on ubuntu, it is disabled when sinks don't have dB information; but it breaks when the dB information is present but incorrect, the number of devices by now should fit in a small blacklist (they have been fixed as they show up) [08:13] micahg: i tried those new icedtea drops; didn't expect a change, and didn't get any :] [08:13] ohsix, hmm, maybe it should be considered for oneiric, if we ship oneiric with what's now in git master, and hopefully a release [08:14] good morning [08:14] morning dholbach [08:14] diwic: i'm gonna see about some of those cosmetic/trival patches getting applied upstream too [08:14] hey diwic [08:14] ohsix, you mean those we carry in Ubuntu currently? That'd be great [08:15] yea, i just read them to verify something else and most look easily transplantable [08:17] stgraber: looks fine to me === smb` is now known as smb === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [08:32] diwic: do you know of a bug i can use as an example when putting in a request that flat-volumes be changed [08:32] ohsix, not in my head, search for flat volumes on launchpad [08:33] ok i will look at those, i was more interested in seeing the general process [08:48] ohsix: heya; how to connect to eth0 using nmcli again? [08:48] nmcli con list, nmcli con up id or uuid, if it's named "Auto eth0" nmcli con up id "Auto eth0" should work, iirc [08:51] what's all this "la_backup" stuff all over my filesystem? [08:51] ohsix: thanks; not working; gotta reinstall I guess [08:51] DreadKnight: if it is temporary you can use dhclient [08:52] ohsix: oh that was it :D cheers again! [08:52] DreadKnight: if you dont also have nm-applet running there might not be any connections unless you set them up with keyfile, or in system-connections; as i was explaining it to the guy it was a special case [08:52] he had nm-applet running but no working mouse [08:59] overlay scrollbars are neat, a bit hard to fish for with a mouse sometimes though, is there a simple way to disable it? [09:01] ohsix: they're default now or what? [09:01] this is OT for here, my bad [09:27] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: Daviey [09:27] can a package sync be requested as of now? [09:28] yes [09:28] Laney: after which freeze it cannot be synced? [09:29] m4n1sh: it can always be synced, but it's less likely to be the option you want, the closer we get to releases. After feature freeze, we only really want bug fixes, not new features [09:29] tumbleweed: it is not present as default installation [09:30] and we have tested it extensivly [09:30] from PPA [09:30] m4n1sh: you still need to request an FFe if you want to bring a version with new features in [09:30] you can always request a sync, but when it gets really close to release (like after the RC) it might be an idea to ping the release team too [09:30] but if you show extensive testing, you'll probably get it [09:32] tumbleweed: its a new version [09:32] with some minor small features [09:33] UI enhancements [09:33] Laney: where can I find release team? [09:34] #ubuntu-release [09:35] thanks [10:21] hrw, Hi, How did you generate the debdiff for bug 749155? [10:22] Launchpad bug 749155 in ace (Ubuntu) "ace version 5.7.7-4 failed to build on i386 and armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749155 [10:22] Daviey: dch -i + debuild -S + debdiff [10:22] Daviey: ah. I know issue - edited it probably to fix dpatch description ;( [10:23] ahh [10:23] hrw, v [10:23] http://pb.daviey.com/Qp3L/raw/ [10:23] Daviey: add empty line - should work [10:24] sorry for that [10:24] good morning o/ === kklimonda is now known as Guest19588 [10:24] hi kklimonda === Guest19588 is now known as kklimonda [10:25] hrw, no problem, thanks for clearing that [10:26] Daviey: thx for merging it [10:27] Daviey: this week I had a session with few bugs in packages which I never used or known what for they are. [10:27] heh.. good to see them getting fixed. [10:27] Daviey: ace was one of simplest ones. but it had longest build time [10:28] hrw, The other thing i was going to say, it's a good idea to run 'update-maintainer' on the package if the version introduces a ubuntu delta. (ubuntu in the version of debian/changelog) [10:29] Daviey: thx - will remember for future [10:29] Daviey: part of ubuntu-dev-tools? [10:30] hrw, super.. if you are interested, here is the reasoning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField [10:30] hmmm linux-tools depends on libdw now, i wonder if that means unwinds without frame pointers :D [10:34] Daviey: I know problem from my work in few other distributions [10:37] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: dholbach, Daviey [10:37] * dholbach hugs Daviey [10:37] hrw, ahh! [10:38] * Daviey embraces the hug. [10:38] Daviey: but still forget sometimes about issue [10:38] juliank, Are you ready for the bzr branch on bug 736507 to be uploaded? [10:38] Launchpad bug 736507 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _convert_struct(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 100: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736507 [10:38] * hrw builds gcl/armel [10:39] Daviey: its on my sponsoring list, should be fine [10:39] Daviey: mvo already prepared the upload [10:39] hrw, We all do... which is why it was coded in to block us from building if it's not done :) [10:39] juliank, ah, super! [10:41] mvo_: Didn't you upload it yet, and why are you logged in twice? [10:42] juliank: unity was playing games with me [10:42] juliank: its uploaded now, I did some quick tests with it [10:42] mvo: OK. [10:46] can anyone point me at how one requests packaging? cairo-trace isn't in the repos and i thought it was :\ [10:48] nm they're packaged [10:49] seb128, do you know what's going on with https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/gtksourceview3/natty-201104070312/+merge/56681? [10:49] it looks like there are no visible changes between the two [10:50] seb128: hi, you've touched a lot of my bugs lately, thanks! [10:50] dholbach, no, ask james_w, I've no clue why the autoimporter doesn't work as it should [10:50] ohsix, you're welcome! [10:50] seb128, shall I go ahead and merge it to make the importer happy again? [10:50] dholbach, he keeps opening weird bugs like this one [10:50] dholbach, dunno we maintain that in a team vcs with only the debian dir [10:51] ok, I'll ask james_w [10:51] dholbach, I've no clue why the importer gets confused and why there is a conflict [10:51] something is just buggy and wrong [11:26] does anybody know what's up with pbuilder in natty? (might be a linux-any build-dep problem?) [11:26] I can't build usbmuxd from sid [11:26] (natty i386 pbuilder on natty i386 if that matters) [11:32] mvo, do you have an idea what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbuilder/+bug/728494? [11:32] Ubuntu bug 728494 in Launchpad itself "pbuilder-satisfydepends breaks on comments before source package" [High,Triaged] [11:32] (a good example of it is trying to build usbmuxd from sid on natty) [11:35] dholbach: I have a look in a minute [11:39] kees: what's the point of vmlinuz being mode 0600? as policy points out, anyone can just look up the version and get the image from the archive - it's not secret [11:39] kees: and it broke live CD builds [11:40] (easily fixed, but) [11:43] mvo: The fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/750694 is in debian-sid [11:43] Ubuntu bug 750694 in apt (Ubuntu) "Directories titled "Sources" cause apt-cdrom to fail" [Undecided,Fix committed] [11:43] likewise the System.map? [11:50] juliank: nice [11:52] juliank: the fix for the multiarch issue from yesterday is in donkults branch now too [11:52] juliank: I will upload a new ubuntu version with those fixes [11:59] mvo: We could also upload them to Debian and merge [12:00] juliank: yep. bug #404724 looks like a low hanging fruit, making it root.admin and 640 should do no harm [12:00] Launchpad bug 404724 in apt (Ubuntu) "unnecessarily restrictive permissions on /var/log/apt/term.log" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404724 [12:01] mvo: That would be one more Ubuntu-specific change (Debian has sudo, not admin) and not really bring any benefit. [12:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/704595 might be a interessting one too [12:05] Ubuntu bug 704595 in apt (Ubuntu) "Python-apt shows emply origins object" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:05] (its libapt though) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:08] mvo: That's a "I'm can't verify the signature, so I ignore attributes" case [12:10] (IIRC) [12:11] mvo: I'm going to eat something now (or at least I hope it's ready), should be back in a 20 minutes [12:11] juliank: ok [12:11] juliank: see you [12:40] mvo: Back, and yes, that's really one of those cases where the release.gpg could not be verified due to missing keyrings. If verification fails, component, etc., are ignored [12:43] I wonder what it takes to fix that its ignored === hunger_ is now known as hunger [12:51] mvo: I take a look at it [12:53] thanks! [13:04] mvo: GPG method fails, causing acquire to unlink the release files and load the package [13:04] or more specifically, the file remains in partial/ [13:19] who is handling ubottu? [13:19] can we get it on #ubuntu-desktop as well? [13:19] seb128: jpds ? [13:19] jpds, ^ [13:21] tsimpson, ^ [13:22] I guess one of the bots died [13:23] i could use some help from someone on foundations for bug 663294 really :) (see from comment 17) [13:23] Launchpad bug 663294 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) "Firefox built with gcc-4.5 is a non-starter on i386 with -pie" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663294 [13:23] seb128: ubot5 is there now [13:24] mvo, it could be that 728494 is a separate problem from building sid's usbmuxd in pbuilder under natty [13:24] tsimpson, thanks a lot [13:29] pitti: ok, I'll commit that to the bzr branch and upload === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:40] i get "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg" now system won't boot, this have happened the third time over the past month in Natty [13:41] om26er: your initramfs is damaged, or isn't getting created properly [13:41] this isn't a support channel though [13:42] but its a bug which have not fixed for more than a month so that makes it a concern ;( [13:42] and i didn't find any duplicate [13:43] should I try to update-initramfs in chroot? [13:43] well, it hasn't been determined that its a bug yet [13:44] sure, you can try; but chances are whatever broke it in the first place will do it again [13:49] ohsix, arand in #ubuntu+1 confims to have faced this issue with btrfs as well, so a bug ;) [13:49] the btrfs problem is specific to btrfs [13:50] yes [13:50] if you aren't using btrfs then you have a different problem [13:50] my / is on btrfs cjwatson [13:50] btrfs isn't running out of bugs either [13:50] then it's bug 732149 [13:50] Launchpad bug 732149 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "[natty] btrfs "grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732149 [13:51] (a consequence of it, anyway) [13:51] hm [13:51] how does it get to not building the initramfs, or is it just cuz grub can't find its files on btrfs [13:51] cjwatson, i saw the 732149 only when I had /boot on btrfs this time /boot is ext4 so I might havea different problem ? [13:52] ohsix: at least the cases I've seen aren't that the initramfs wasn't built, but that because grub-probe isn't able to understand btrfs properly it isn't emitting rootflags=subvol=@ [13:52] ohsix: and, yes, you could also have boot-time problems failing to find the file [13:52] so it can't reach its file [13:52] k thanks for the info [13:53] in general it seems to be a transient problem [13:53] which doesn't yet imply it's been fixed, but rather that the conditions that cause problems in grub's filesystem code seem to come and go [13:54] I've tried to gather information from affected people but it's been too hard to debug remotely; I need to reproduce it in a vm and debug locally [13:54] so it's gone into my queue of stuff like that [13:54] it's about third or fourth in that queue, I think [13:54] can the grub test shell program thing use raw volumes? might be able to tease it from there [13:55] my ADSL is too slow for it to be feasible for me to fetch a whole filesystem [13:55] I have some likely candidates for ways to reproduce it [13:55] ah i figured creating your own [13:56] once I have reproduced it, I am familiar with how to debug that kind of thing :) [13:56] is grub out of sync as far as the disk format is concerned or is it stable enough that not finding the files would be a grub problem [13:56] I don't know the answer to that question [13:56] hm [13:56] I expect I'll find that out [13:56] I don't think it's worth speculating in advance [13:57] it shouldn't be too hard to check grub policy wrt it since it's still in flux, which is what i'm going to do [13:57] it maeks sense for it to lag in the bootloader given the state of development, and there was an on disk format not too long ago, too; might have landed in .38 [13:58] the boot loader code was (necessarily) reverse-engineered from some docs [13:58] drop an assertion bomb on the thing [13:59] as I say, I know how to debug grub once I've reproduced it locally [13:59] cjwatson, adding rootflags=subvol=@ to grub parameter worked :) thanks to arand [14:00] good [14:00] arand was talking about snapshots too; but they were still speculating because theres not much info yet [14:01] hm. has anyone tried to create a btrfs partition as part of the desktop installer process? [14:01] probably the people with the problems they're having now [14:01] I did mine using ubiquity yes, and it worked apart from these issues here.. [14:01] yes, and there are bug reports from some of those people [14:02] oh, haha, i see, that was already on topic [14:02] the partitioner went berzerk on me long before it even got to trying to install [14:03] that would probably be a different problem [14:03] i'll file a new bug then, thanks [14:03] have you filed a bug? [14:03] ok [14:03] sure is an odd way to poke at it; when it can all fail and take your stuff with it, i'd be using losetup and a disk file or something D: [14:04] we offer it in the installer in order that people can do system-level testing, which often isn't feasible with a loop mount [14:05] Is something wrong with the new procps? http://paste.debian.net/113289/ [14:05] i understand that, but its a buzzword to some people right now, they might not know the implications [14:07] ohsix: can't help that [14:08] i suppose not, hopefully people complain loudly though [14:08] we aren't going to get useful feedback if only experts ever use it [14:08] nod [14:08] when the time comes it'll be awesome for ubuiquitous snapshotting and backups [14:10] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: dholbach [14:10] ohsix: Using apt-btrfs-snapshot has a tendency to eat some disk space though... So it would have to be done in moderatioin.. [14:11] oh neat, i was just talking about filesystem level stuff [14:12] i haven't looked as i wont be able to use it for some time anyways, but can't you set the percentage and number of snapshots to keep? then the distro can turn that into weekly, daily, monthly [14:13] ohsix: Yea I assume those features are planned, that one is very basic atm now though. [14:14] YokoZar, hi, we are receiving many dups of bug 753449 [14:14] Launchpad bug 753449 in branding-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "package branding-ubuntu 0.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg', which is also in package quadrapassel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753449 [14:14] I just got hit by that one too - thx for info that it is known [14:15] arand: you can do it with lvm but its very expensive :\ [14:16] hmm, seems to only be broken in a chroot [14:18] ohsix: Yea, not really feasible for more than temporary snaps from what I've read on it. [14:19] ev: thanks for your apt-clone work! I uploaded a new version with your fixes and also with a fix for the xubuntu upgrade-via-install case [14:20] btw - when is freeze for any universe uploads (including NEW packages)? [14:21] cjwatson: I created bug 753510. I'm going to wipe the drive and try again - if you want me to wait in case you want some more info off the machine, pls shout [14:21] Launchpad bug 753510 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Partition manager bombs trying to create btrfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753510 [14:22] hallyn: no /var/log/partman? [14:22] we need that for partitioner bugs [14:23] (for future reference, 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' should work, if the machine is network-connected) [14:24] (probably not going to be able to look today, though) [14:26] mvo: yay, thanks! [14:28] /var/log/partman looked useless, but i'll attach it [14:28] hallyn: we need it to reproduce what you did [14:28] ok [14:29] knowing where it stops is often useful too === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [14:33] arand: and the more complex filesystems get it actually gets worse [14:34] since its block level after a snap the log goes through the snapshot, which means everything ets diverted twice or more === sconklin-gone is now known as sconklin [14:43] mvo: ok if I upload update-manager for bug 746431 ? [14:43] Launchpad bug 746431 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) "[kubuntu] Allow to view differences in conf file changes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746431 [14:44] Riddell: sure, pleae just make sure to use bzr-buildpackage as its using a pre-build hook [14:44] Riddell: I can do the upload too if needed [14:45] mvo: bzr-buildpackage doing its thing [14:45] great [14:47] mvo: what is parsewiki needed for? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:50] Riddell: just to make nice html from my text annoucement === zyga is now known as zyga-food [15:14] mvo: what do I need to do to get past this? http://paste.kde.org/9127/ [15:18] Riddell: *cough* let me fix that, that is rahter silly === doko_ is now known as doko [15:35] folks, idea for future installers: some kind of software center during installation [15:36] you mean like software center? :D [15:39] well, yes [15:43] no? [15:47] or choosing trusted PPA's during installation [15:50] hi [15:50] anyone from the network-manager team around? [15:50] Ubuntu Tweak offers a selection of PPA's, too, graphically, why not use such option during installation [15:52] I'm on Natty and the touchpad no longer works [15:52] alfmatos: try your question on me [15:52] x and lsinput both find it. [15:54] ohsix, just trying to wrap my head around how the packaging is actually done, because there is an upstream branch, a branch for each release, + a debian branch. How is the merging actually done (src+vcs-debian-folder) ? Is it manual? [15:57] didrocks: hi! I don't seem to have an Ubuntu logo in the upper left of my screen anymore (eg, next to the global menu). Is this intended? known? [15:58] jdstrand: oh no, it's not, do you have the window buttons at the upper left or just the menu title? [15:59] maybe fta can help? i see his name popping up all over the daily builds ppa's [16:00] didrocks: the window buttons are in the window, not part of the global menu. eg, I am typing this in irssi in gnome-terminal. I have the window buttons in this terminal. I have no Ubuntu logo in the upper left of the screen, but it does say 'Terminal' in the upper left, over where the logo should be [16:00] didrocks: if I go full screen for the terminal, they show up in the global menu [16:00] jdstrand: do you have one or two monitor? [16:00] alfmatos: ah, can't field that one, sorry [16:00] jdstrand: or is your setup is "mirror screen" or whatever with only one monitor? [16:01] ohsix, np :) [16:01] didrocks: I have two monitors, but mirrored at the same resolution because of bug #711954 [16:01] Launchpad bug 711954 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot use external monitor at its native resolution" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711954 [16:02] jdstrand: I think it's what is the trick [16:02] jdstrand: I'm in the middle of an unity release, I don't think we have a fix for that. Do you mind just updating and report it after the update? [16:02] didrocks: well, it is 'mirrored'-- ie, the screen should be exactly the same on both [16:03] probably what traps it [16:03] didrocks: sure, I can wait. I tried to find a bug on it, but couldn't. no worries [16:03] jdstrand: I think there is a similar one, not exactly the same, but similar, but anyway, just open one with the incoming release [16:03] * jdstrand nods [16:03] didrocks: thanks! [16:04] jdstrand: thanks to you :) [16:04] :) === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew [16:14] fta, around? [16:15] is anyone having problems with matplotlib in natty? [16:15] micahg: hey, in testing my fix for bug #750381, I tried youtube with gnash, but it doesn't work too well. istr you mentioning that gnash should work quite well-- is youtube known broken? (I don't see an open bug on it) [16:16] Launchpad bug 750381 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "gnash configs blocked by apparmor" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750381 [16:16] jdstrand: are you running 0.8.9? when I tested it, it seemed to be pretty smooth [16:17] * micahg wonders if it's a video driver issue [16:17] micahg: 0.8.8-6ubuntu2 [16:17] micahg: oh no, youtube just tells me there was an error and it doesn't even try to play it [16:17] any idea on where I can find some documentation on how to maintain separate src/upstream and Vcs-Bzr (debian dir bzr branch only) branches? [16:17] jdstrand: please upgrade to 0.8.9, I uploaded it a couple days ago [16:18] weird, I did an apt-get upgrade this morning... [16:18] ah, binary new [16:18] * jdstrand looks [16:31] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: [16:39] ohsix: I figured it out [16:41] pitti: Can I poke you on https://launchpad.net/bugs/753449 please? All the latest branding-ubuntu upload did was give it the correct name [16:41] Ubuntu bug 753449 in branding-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "package branding-ubuntu 0.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg', which is also in package quadrapassel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Triaged] [16:42] * YokoZar just noticed he uploaded a package with a changelog entry referring to differences in debian/changelog... [16:47] /msg psusi hi there. I'm throwing in my application for [16:47] universe-contributor and was hopign you might endorse me. If you have [16:47] time to take a look, it's at [16:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication [16:48] mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda seems to be rather empty right now, do we have something urgent to discuss? [16:49] mdz: currently asking myself whether I can weasel out of this today, and go to a friend's bday party [16:49] oh argh, I forgot about that - I can't make today's meeting, sorry [16:49] it's really late now in DST [16:49] pitti, I may have to miss it too... [16:50] there is some unanswered email on the mailing list [16:50] oh, pitti answered it [16:51] about the motu-council thing? [17:01] Riddell: I fixed the test, will upload after diinner [17:05] thanks mvo [17:05] Riddell: uploading now, it as a native python test proxy now it was rather silly to depned on a external one [17:05] * mvo is really away for dinner now === herton is now known as herton_lunch [17:14] YokoZar: (on the phone, will look in a bit) === diwic is now known as diwic_afk [17:18] micahg: fyi, gnash 0.8.9 bin deNEWed and works well :) [17:18] jdstrand: awesome, thanks [17:19] does it support the bbc iplayer? :-) [17:19] pitti: Thank you muchly :) [17:19] Laney: I know it doesn't support streamtheworld yet, I need to file an upstream bug for that [17:20] * Laney tries === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] === jamespage is now known as ringo [17:24] no :-( [17:24] didrocks: fyi, noticed libunity stuck in binary NEW (due to new libunity4), so I deNEWed it [17:25] Setting up lmodern (2.004.1-3) ... [17:25] /usr/sbin/update-language-def: line 779: printf: missing unicode digit for \u [17:25] ^^ I wonder if that has a bug filed yet [17:25] jdstrand: oh thanks! :) [17:26] lamont: yes, with a patch attached [17:27] cool [17:27] bug 751038 [17:27] Launchpad bug 751038 in tex-common (Ubuntu) "/usr/sbin/update-language-def: line 779: printf: missing unicode digit for \u" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751038 === ringo is now known as jamespage === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk [17:51] question: is there a convention for a debian control dir in launchpad, either to hold it in debian/ or at the root of the branch? [17:52] the difference I assume is either doing a nest or a nest-part debian debian, right? [17:52] (in the recipes) [17:56] alfmatos: recipes help in #launchpad [17:56] ooh, ok [17:57] ubuntu packaging in launchapd also? [17:57] alfmatos: nope, ubuntu packaging in #ubuntu-packaging :) [17:57] dooh =) [17:59] I have a theory [18:00] bugs get less comprehensible the further through the release cycle you get [18:00] flibble wibble wurble!!! [18:00] I seem to have had about five almost completely inscrutable ones in a row :-/ [18:00] I have a corollary, the complication of the bug is inversely proportional to the time available to fix it :) [18:01] also, the complication of the bug is inversely proportional to the size of the patch needed to fix it === herton_lunch is now known as herton === sforshee is now known as sforshee-lunch [18:17] cjwatson: because it is a way to block script-kiddie root exploits. while it doesn't even remotely stop a dedicated attacker, it does actually stop simplistic attacks, and I feel that has real-world value. sorry about the breakage; thank you for working around it. [18:19] kees: that's one regression caused by it, but I don't know if there will be others. are you open to reverting until oneiric if we find more? [18:20] given that I've already seen vmlinuz-parsing-for-kernel-symbols tools in the wild, I'd prefer not to revert it, but if there is strong evidence that it will cause continued problems, I'm open to reverting it. I'd really like to try to leave it because then all of the ksym-obfuscation will hit people all in the natty cycle (instead of spreading it out). [18:20] ok, we'll see how it goes [18:21] cool [18:29] SpamapS: ping [18:29] SpamapS: I'm looking at bug 752393. I installed the packages listed in the bug report but don't get the same output you do in /var/log/boot.log [18:29] Launchpad bug 752393 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb init scripts show line buffering problems on bootup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752393 [18:30] SpamapS: anything I might be missing ? [18:31] SpamapS: my boot.log just shows fsck, apparmor, bind9, postgresql and apache2 (which I had installed) but not samba, squid or pretty much any of the ones you have in your log file [18:34] YokoZar: [18:34] if [ "$1" != "upgrade" ] || dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 0.4-0ubuntu1; then [18:34] YokoZar: it won't actually re-divert when upgrading from 0.5 to 0.6 :) [18:35] pitti: didn't you write that line? ;) [18:35] YokoZar: not sure, it's your changelog [18:35] YokoZar: but anyway, fixing/testing now === charlieS_ is now known as charlieS === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [18:36] pitti: I mean the maintainer scripts were rewritten by you previous version but the quadrapassel problem was unnoticed because the package still had gnometris filenames so the conflict never happened (and I imagine everyone who had the package had gnome-games installed) === diwic_afk is now known as diwic [18:45] YokoZar: ok, fixed [18:45] * pitti waves good night [18:47] pitti: have a good time at party :) [18:47] Thank you for cleaning up what was probably my mess too :p [18:50] Bug #753853 seems to have the potential to make many Natty machines unbootable after update. Shouldn't the latest udev update be pulled from the archive to prevent it from spreading? [18:50] Launchpad bug 753853 in udev (Ubuntu) "[natty] The disc drive for / is not ready yet or not present" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753853 === sforshee-lunch is now known as sforshee [18:59] sense: do you know if that's udev -ubuntu3 causing it or 167 in general ? [19:00] stgraber: I only now that it happened after the update for udev that landed today. [19:01] stgraber: and that there are at least two people in #ubuntu+1 with the same problem. [19:01] sense: -0ubuntu2 and -0ubuntu3 fix some divert issues so I'm not sure how that could be the cause (unles you're keeping an old divert for some reason) [19:02] stgraber: Hmmm, that is strange. But the processes only started crashing after today's update. Could it have been something else that landed today? [19:02] sense: can you check if /sbin/udevadm.upgrade exists on your system, if so, what's the content ? and also give the md5sum and (if text file) content of your /sbin/udevadm ? [19:02] sense: I want to make sure you're not using the diverted version for some reason [19:02] stgraber: I'll grab a live usb stick. [19:02] thanks for your help [19:03] version 167 landed on Monday (new upstream version), -0ubuntu2 landed on the same day (divert fixes) and then I uploaded another today to fix issues when someone has an half-upgraded udev package and upgrade to -0ubuntu2 [19:04] It's not impossible that -0ubuntu2 or -0ubuntu3 might break udev but let's say if it's a feature issue, it's more likely that -0ubuntu1 did it [19:04] That would make more sense indeed. [19:09] ce6894e12ff09b07cad331d5ad91894a /sbin/udevadm [19:09] /sbin/udevadm: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped [19:09] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 123K 2011-04-07 08:43 /sbin/udevadm [19:09] sense: is what I have with the package installed on amd64 [19:09] /sbin/udevadm.upgrade exists and its content is not readable by vi. /sbin/udevadm is a text file, copied it to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/590908 [19:10] ouch, seems like udev didn't upgrade properly in your case [19:10] ah [19:10] stgraber: wait, I think I now what could have caused this. [19:10]