[21:46] <airurando> evening
[21:47] <moylan> hi
[22:56] <airurando> hi moylan
[22:57] <moylan> all well?
[22:57] <airurando> sorry I missed you
[22:57] <airurando> child going to sleep emergency i'm afraid.
[22:57] <airurando> yeah apart from that
[22:57] <airurando> and you
[22:57] <moylan> no worries.  kids are a handfull
[22:58] <moylan> waiting eagerly for 11.04 :-)
[22:58] <airurando> ditto
[22:58] <airurando> we tested the beta at global jam last saturday
[22:59] <moylan> wished i could make it but not an option at the mo.
[22:59] <airurando> no problem
[22:59] <airurando> where are you based?
[22:59] <moylan> dublin
[23:00] <airurando> cool
[23:00] <moylan> yourself?
[23:00] <airurando> kildare
[23:00] <airurando> work in west dub
[23:00] <moylan> doesn't everybody (judging by traffic) :-D
[23:00] <airurando> indeed
[23:01] <airurando> moylan, will you make the release party?
[23:01] <moylan> going to try but but will have to see closer to the day.
[23:01] <airurando> if so any preference on date or venue?
[23:02] <moylan> i think it'll be the usual jimmy chungs all you can eat chinese followed by pub.  i'll skip the chinese and head to the pub.
[23:03] <airurando> good stuff
[23:03] <airurando> yeah jimmy chungs was the only preference expressed
[23:04] <moylan> it seems popular with the linux crowd.  nerds and junk food.  who knew? :-)
[23:05] <airurando> indeed again
[23:05] <moylan> so what got you into linux?
[23:06] <airurando> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[23:06] <airurando> long scattered story
[23:06] <airurando> first up
[23:06] <airurando> must confess
[23:06] <airurando> I'm just a simple home user
[23:07] <moylan> nothing wrong with that!
[23:07] <airurando> back in 1999 I was working in the US and bored
[23:08] <airurando> discovered linux and barely got red hat 5.something up and running
[23:08] <airurando> enjoyed it but didn't understand it
[23:08] <moylan> same as my self.  5.2 got it working but wasn't able to do much with it.
[23:08] <airurando> snap!
[23:08] <moylan> then i distro hopped for a few years learning a little new each time.
[23:09] <airurando> I came back home in 2000 and drifted away from linux
[23:09] <airurando> only came back to ubuntu in 2008
[23:10] <moylan> in the end it was that i colonised my windows systems with open source software.  firefox, thunderbird, python, vim, cygwin.
[23:11] <airurando> moylan: what is it you do?  I'm a microbiologist by trade.
[23:11] <moylan> i'm a joat (jack of all trades).  program a little, tech support software and hardware a lot.  general dogsbody.
[23:12] <airurando> glad you explained joat  :)
[23:12] <airurando> are you central Dub?
[23:12] <moylan> well i.t. is a weird job.  every position has a unique skillset.  mine just kept expanding.
[23:13] <moylan> live in killiney at the mo.
[23:13] <airurando> right
[23:14] <airurando> be good to see you at a Ubuntu hour or the Natty release party if you can make it/
[23:14] <moylan> how did you get into microbiology?
[23:15] <airurando> 1988 (I hear you gasp)
[23:15] <airurando> NUIG or UCG as it was then called
[23:15] <moylan> i'm 40.  not shocked.  :-)
[23:15] <airurando> Science
[23:15] <airurando> hons degree in Microbiology in 1992
[23:16] <airurando> Ph.D in Microbiology 1997 (again NUIG)
[23:16] <airurando> 1998 post Doc in the US
[23:16] <airurando> back home in 200o
[23:17] <airurando> moylan 40. great same era
[23:17] <moylan> many jobs in microbiology in ireland in these troubled times?
[23:18] <airurando> not particularly but I'm ok at the mo.
[23:19] <moylan> just that ireland is a fairly small pool tech wise.  microbiology seems (to an outsider at least) more suited to a richer larger country.
[23:21] <airurando> ah no
[23:21] <airurando> pharma sector is big here
[23:21] <moylan> but i thought that was only production
[23:22] <airurando> microbiology is critical the many pharma types but particularly biopharma
[23:23] <moylan> and more on topic i'm guessing all the systems at work are windows?
[23:23] <airurando> bullseye
[23:24] <airurando> I even plucked up the courage to suggest OSS options to the IT department in the current climate.
[23:25] <airurando> but I would not have done that in years gone by.
[23:25] <moylan> the it department would be crazy to adopt oss.  they would put themselves out of a job.
[23:25] <airurando> nah
[23:26] <airurando> support and implementation are key.
[23:26] <moylan> have you ever watched yes minister?
[23:26] <airurando> wow.... curve ball!
[23:26] <airurando> but yes
[23:27] <moylan> it's like sir humphrey discussing department budgets been the central purpose of the department.  a department that saves money will be given less money.  so that must NEVER happen.
[23:28] <airurando> ah now I see
[23:29] <airurando> but that is not the case in the current climate
[23:29] <moylan> likewise if there is less need for systems to be rebuilt and fixed then they will lay off the staff not needed.  microsoft depends on this.
[23:30] <airurando> indeed but outsourcing IT needs is doing this anyway.
[23:30] <moylan> of course this gives an advantage to a startup that uses oss as they have less overheads to start with.
[23:31] <airurando> get it as cheaply and compliant as possible is the new mantra I feel
[23:31] <airurando> and this is good IMO
[23:31] <moylan> out sourcing i.t. is... a joke.  i've dealt with outsourced tech support and 99% of it is more expensive in the long run.
[23:32] <airurando> agreed
[23:32] <moylan> language barriers, time delays, incompetence are par for the course.  no matter what is promised.
[23:33] <airurando> agreed again!
[23:33] <airurando> great talking to you moylan
[23:34] <moylan> take care.
[23:34] <airurando> really hope to talk to you in person soon
[23:34] <airurando> must dash
[23:34] <airurando> take care
[23:34] <airurando> an
[23:34] <airurando> good night
[23:34] <moylan> slainte
[23:45] <infoturtle> how do all, anyone online?
[23:46] <moylan> yup
[23:46] <infoturtle> how do moylan
[23:46] <moylan> not to bad.  waiting for 11.04 with bated breath! :-)
[23:47] <infoturtle> ha, I know, going be fun alright, gnome 3.0 came out yesterday so it'll be the 1st thing I change
[23:48] <moylan> not so sure about unity but will wait and see before passing judgement.
[23:48] <infoturtle> don't like it at all, it's all about gnome for me, love the look o it
[23:49] <infoturtle> theres a testing .iso for it I'm mad to try but internets on a download limit so I can't download load anything big here
[23:49] <moylan> i don't like radical change in these things.  the devil you know and all that.  but i want to give it a go.
[23:50] <moylan> large iso?  isn't that why jobs were invented? :-D
[23:50] <infoturtle> no job :c spend all day working on a loss generating site and waiting for an app for collage to go through
[23:51] <moylan> ah, sorry!  hope that goes ok for you.
[23:52] <infoturtle> we'll see, it's all try and try again isn't it
[23:52] <moylan> and then 10 minutes when i get my breath back... sorry watching blackadder!
[23:52] <infoturtle> what you work at?
[23:52] <infoturtle> ha, love blackadder!
[23:52] <moylan> off work last year due to arthritis.  bloody annoying!
[23:53] <moylan> who doesn't love blackadder!?  crazy!
[23:53] <infoturtle> now thats a balls! sorry to hear
[23:54] <moylan> shit happens.  only my right hip so luckier than most with this disease.  but it makes standing, walking, sitting excrutiating
[23:55] <infoturtle> ah, the main functions so!
[23:56] <infoturtle> I just popped on to see if I could get log in details for what ever site the UGJ pics went up on. was busy all week with a C# project but I've failed it so now have the time to put the pics of the Limerick one up
[23:57] <moylan> think they were tweeted.  give me a few minutes and i'll have a rummage.
[23:57] <infoturtle> sweet, thanks