| fta | chrisccoulson_, did something change wrt the preferred apps? | 00:09 |
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| chrisccoulson_ | fta - not recently AFAIK, how come? | 00:10 |
| fta | chrisccoulson_, chromium is now complaining it's no longer the preferred browser here, confirmed by BUGabundo | 00:11 |
| fta | was fine until yesterday | 00:11 |
| chrisccoulson_ | fta - oh, i see that too | 00:13 |
| chrisccoulson_ | oh, i saw it because i opened gnome-default-application-properties, and that tramples over the gconf settings | 00:16 |
| fta | ? | 00:17 |
| chrisccoulson_ | gnome-default-application-properties writes the gio config to gconf, to keep everything in sync | 00:18 |
| chrisccoulson_ | but chromium isn't using th gio settings | 00:18 |
| chrisccoulson_ | it's using xdg-settings isn't it? | 00:18 |
| fta | yes | 00:18 |
| fta | xdg-mime irrc | 00:19 |
| chrisccoulson_ | fta - ok, i got release team ACK to backport the xdg-utils changes to fix this | 00:23 |
| chrisccoulson_ | i'll do it tomorrow | 00:23 |
| fta | good, even if i still don't understand what changed | 00:24 |
| chrisccoulson_ | i'm not sure what's changed in the last few days, but it should never have started working really ;) | 00:26 |
| fta | $ xdg-settings check default-web-browser chromium-browser.desktop | 00:27 |
| fta | yes | 00:27 |
| fta | hm, just rebooted, i now have some artifacts from the widgets in chromium | 00:38 |
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| fta | chrisccoulson, ch trunk bumped Breakpad to r786, what was missing to have it working? i lost track :( | 11:57 |
| Guest94759 | Hi, everyone! I want to compile firefox with DWARF2 debugging information. What shall I do to solve this problem? Must I modify the makefile? | 12:07 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, found the regression for the preferred browser in ch trunk: http://codereview.chromium.org/6793034 it's what you expected i guess | 12:38 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - re, breakpad and chromium - kees has fixed all of the kernel bugs now, but chromium still isn't working :( | 12:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm stuck atm, because i can't reproduce it in strace, which would really help | 12:40 |
| chrisccoulson | i pinged evan, and strace only works if you run with --no-sandbox | 12:40 |
| chrisccoulson | and of course, crash reporting works fine then ;) | 12:40 |
| chrisccoulson | the only way i'm going to be able to debug it is to do a build of chromium with some debug printfs in there so i can figure out exactly why it fails ;) | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - about xdg-utils, i'll update our version today which should hopefully fix the browser check issues | 12:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i thought that had already been done, i'm not sure why it dropped off the radar :( | 12:43 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, maybe try a debug build. I have a knob in d/rules | 13:17 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, not sure why it failed last night, but i just respun the bot for ff-trunk and the upload worked this time | 20:15 |
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| chrisccoulson | fta - thanks. i was going to ask you that too actually :) | 21:01 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, just read the TB minutes, are they really considering backing off unity as default?? | 21:03 |
| fta | micahg, hi, any update on the last chromium update? | 21:19 |
| fta | it's been a while now :P | 21:19 |
| micahg | ugh, no, but it seems that the detect flag isn't good enough, I'll complete the testing today which should tell me if we're already affected or not | 21:21 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley_away, did bug 734837 fix your issue with the invisible entries in the menu bar? | 22:05 |
| fta | uh, the new compiz crashed | 22:26 |
| fta | it's been a while | 22:26 |
| fta | bamfdaemon too | 22:26 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: someone on m.d.a.firefox is proposing rewriting Firefox in Java :) | 22:42 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 22:45 |
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| m_conley | chrisccoulson: ping | 23:02 |
| chrisccoulson | hi m_conley | 23:02 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hey! I'm about to try out the globalmenu extension in TB. I'll tell you how it goes. :) | 23:03 |
| chrisccoulson | excellent, thanks! | 23:03 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: I'm at the all-hands in Mountain View, and we're talking about the new release cycle, and how it affects TB | 23:03 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: can I assume you've heard about the new release cycle? | 23:03 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, i'd be interested to know how that turns out | 23:03 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i know about it for firefox, but i'm still unclear about how it's actually going to work | 23:03 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: see - http://mozilla.github.com/process-releases/draft/development_overview/ | 23:04 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: how it affects TB, and Linux distros in currently being discussed here | 23:04 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, will you test the globalmenu-extension provided in the archive, or do you build it yourself? i haven't actually pushed the fix to bzr yet, as the branch seems to have stopped working :( | 23:04 |
| m_conley | er "is" | 23:04 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hm - I was about to try the one in the archive | 23:04 |
| chrisccoulson | that's ok then :) | 23:05 |
| chrisccoulson | i think we're mostly ok with the release process. what i'm totally unclear about is how releases are created from the different branches | 23:05 |
| micahg | m_conley: is there a place anywhere to vote for some type of LTS branch for linux distros/derivitives? | 23:05 |
| m_conley | micahg: not as far as I can tell, no | 23:06 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, have you had much feedback from other distros? | 23:07 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: not personally, no. Other Mozilla folk may have | 23:07 |
| m_conley | micahg: there might be infrastructure for that down the line | 23:08 |
| m_conley | or something similar | 23:08 |
| kbrosnan | long lived versions are not on the plan atm | 23:09 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: I'm sort of the Linux representative in this "new release cycle" meeting - but I don't think I have a total handle on what's at stake here. I understand the LTS issue, but is there anything else I should be bringing up? | 23:10 |
| chrisccoulson | the LTS issue only really affects xulrunner, because we have to maintain a bunch of apps using it. but, from the POV of firefox and thunderbird, i think we can live without it ;) | 23:11 |
| kbrosnan | but feedback from distros would be intresting as of right now going forward from 5 there are no plans to ship any dot updates | 23:11 |
| micahg | m_conley: well, major version bumps as opposed to point releases with bugfixes are harder in terms of QA for stable releases | 23:11 |
| chrisccoulson | we don't do crazy things like building FF-on-XR like other distro's do ;) | 23:12 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I'd prefer to limit it just to Firefox if possible | 23:12 |
| micahg | QA burden is higher for major version bumps | 23:12 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, the QA stuff is exactly why we're running the full test-suite now ;) | 23:12 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: for thunderbird as well? | 23:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (although, we currently don't do anything with the output of that, but we should be) | 23:13 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - not yet. i wasn't going to start running that until we update to 3.3 | 23:13 |
| chrisccoulson | kbrosnan, i think most of the questions i have really are just minor details, but affect my workflow quite a bit. i'll write them down at some point :) | 23:13 |
| micahg | kbrosnan: well, I'm currently considering dropping any xulrunner app that accesses insecure content from the repo since porting every 6 weeks in a stable release is out of the question | 23:14 |
| kbrosnan | micahg: have a query or a wag to the number of packages effected? | 23:17 |
| chrisccoulson | kbrosnan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Natty/Firefox4/XULRunner20Transition would be a good place to start | 23:17 |
| chrisccoulson | (note, that contains both mozjs and xpcom consumers, and we've already resolved the mozjs issue) | 23:18 |
| chrisccoulson | we provide a separate libmozjs package now, and i'm going to turn off --enable-shared-js in our xulrunner build at some point soon | 23:19 |
| micahg | kbrosnan: I think it's only about 10, maybe less at this point, I can get an official count later this evening | 23:19 |
| micahg | but eclipse is on the list | 23:19 |
| kbrosnan | yeah they are a tough case | 23:20 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: ok, cool - let me know if you have any questions you want me to bring up. :) | 23:21 |
| kbrosnan | smedberg has said unless some community members/orgs have an intrest in gtkmozembed and other embedding tools that are in the process of being dropped from support | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, thanks! | 23:22 |
| kbrosnan | uggh that was a lot less clear than i thought | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, did you see http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/uds-p-planning-ubuntu-12-04-to-be-held-in-orlando-again/ btw? | 23:22 |
| micahg | kbrosnan: we have 7 apps according to the wiki using that | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, if you can't make it to budapest ;) | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | it would be nice to see some firefox guys at a UDS too ;) | 23:23 |
| chrisccoulson | kbrosnan, micahg - we don't really have that much using gtkmozembed | 23:23 |
| chrisccoulson | the only things i can think of are: | 23:23 |
| chrisccoulson | chmsee, which already has WIP webkit support | 23:23 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: i'm working on budapest. :D I'll let you know. | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | gnome-python-extras - which is deprecated now anyway, now we have PyGI, so that's going to disappear entirely next cycle anyway | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | that's all i can think of right now ;) | 23:24 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: python-gtkmozembed was that stuff I was looking at, forgot about chmsee :) | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, awesome! | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - python-gtkmozembed is going to disappear next cycle | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | it's dead ;) | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, so just 2 things in the archive using gtkmozembed | 23:26 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm really not all that concerned about that :) | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | evening | 23:41 |
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