rwwSomeone make it so I can do !ot,u,punctuation,stopfailingattypinglawd > user02:07
Jordan_U!ot,u,punctuation,stopfailingattypinglawd is <reply> Sigh02:09
ubottuI'll remember that, Jordan_U02:09
Jordan_U!forget ot,u,punctuation,stopfailingattypinglawd02:10
ubottuI'll forget that, Jordan_U02:10
ApOgEEhi all02:21
ApOgEEcan I know why my nick is banned in #ubuntu ?02:22
rwwI don't know whether you caught my reply in #ubuntu, but your shell provider is banned from #ubuntu because of abuse.02:22
ApOgEEhow can i fix it?02:22
rwwi.e., the ban is on bshellz.net, not you.02:22
ubottuIs your shell provider banned in Ubuntu channels? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ShellPolicy for shell provider requirements and how to resolve the situation with your provider.02:22
ApOgEErww: is that mean i'm not allowed to use this shell? i didn't do anything wrong02:23
rwwApOgEE: Correct, clients on bshellz.net cannot join #ubuntu.02:23
ApOgEEi see... why don't u just ban specific abusive user? since not all bshellz.net user are bad02:24
rwwApOgEE: because bshellz has a lax account policy that allows ban evaders to create multiple accounts, and our operator team does not have faith in bshellz' administrators' willingness to respond to such cases.02:26
rwwThat multiple bshellz users have tried to get bshellz administration to talk to us about this and it has not thusfar happened is a demonstration of that.02:26
rww(well, our IRC Council, not "us")02:26
faizulhi ApOgEE02:27
ApOgEEhi faizul02:27
faizulApOgEE, demo duk wak genamo sinih ?02:27
rwwfaizul: #ubuntu-ops is for resolution of bans in core channels, all of which are English-speaking. How can I help you?02:28
ApOgEEfaizul: i'm trying to resolve my shell issue here. Sek ni tok wi kawe guno bshellz.net. keno banned. Natey apo la02:30
faizulApOgEE, ok. good luck. bytheway, thanks rww02:31
ApOgEErww: can i help to talk with bshellz administrator to resolve this? Actually, what did they have to do to fix this issue.02:33
rwwAs the page ubottu linked says, "If you are a host or network provider administrator and your host or network is banned, please join #ubuntu-ops or contact the Ubuntu IRC Council in order to resolve the issue and ensure compliance."02:34
rwwI'd recommend the latter, personally.02:34
ApOgEEis that means that i should ask the admin to come here?02:35
rwwApOgEE: I'd recommend having them email irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com instead, giving the tendency of them and IRCC to not be around.02:36
nhandlerrww: We are around, just not 24/7. Emailing the ML allows us all to see it, gives us a nice record of the conversation, and would probably be useful in this situation (there is a rather long bshellz history)02:42
rwwYay, my diabolical plan to ferret out an IRCC member by complaining about IRCC members succeeded ;P02:43
ApOgEEi see02:46
IdleOneApOgEE: Please don't idle in here03:12
ApOgEEfaizul: freq = (phase velocity) / (wavelength)ok sorry03:13
ApOgEEi'm trying to cantact them03:13
ApOgEEups... wrong paste03:13
ApOgEEthanks rww and nhandler ... i hape i can resolve my issue03:14
Seven_Six_TwoHow do you choose your channel operators?07:00
ubottuIf you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements.  You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc.07:01
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, Thank you.07:01
Tm_Tnp (:07:02
jussiSeven_Six_Two: is there something more we can help you with?07:24
Seven_Six_Twojussi, not at the moment, thanks. I've already done most of the requirements to appy for an operator position. I now only have to apply to the team on launchpad.07:25
jussiSeven_Six_Two: ok, great. Please be reminded that htis channel is no idle, as per the toopic :)07:26
Seven_Six_Twojussi, unless of course, you know of something that is commonly forgotten, and you think there might actually be more07:26
Seven_Six_Twojussi, no problem. Thanks!07:27
Tm_Tikonia: thanks, didn't notice that08:31
ikonianot a problem08:31
popeybug 74966011:17
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 749660 could not be found11:17
ikoniait really frustrates me when people post a forum link and say "help with this"12:51
ikoniaI know it can be used to show helpful information, but it just seems like lazy12:52
knomemaybe a small intro like "i'm having problems with X, see details at LINK" would help that, aye?12:53
ikoniaI think it's just me personally, I don't like it12:53
knomei don't personally like *forums*12:54
ikoniaaspects of it annoyme, in that you've posted it on the forums, let the forums help rather than drag IRC in, plus the ammount of just utter random poor advice ruins the thread, then to just stick it in IRC seems lazy12:54
ikoniaI personlly don't like many aspects of it, but I suspect a large part of that is me being unreasonable with my personal standards12:55
knomei suppose forums are great for people with ADHD or those who just can't spend ages in front of the computer. you get to ask the question, and people will probably answer, and when you get back, the information is right there12:56
bazhangthere's a factoid for that iirc13:09
ubottuPlease give at least an overview of your problem *here* (all in one line) - you will get a much greater audience. If you have to use more than 3 lines, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com13:09
ikonia!find mdadm13:12
ubottuFound: mdadm13:12
ikonia!info mdadm13:12
ubottumdadm (source: mdadm): tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version (maverick), package size 231 kB, installed size 660 kB13:12
ubottuIn ubottu, ActionParsnip said: !gyachi is Gyachi is a Yahoo client with voice support. To install in natty please see this guide: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gyachi-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-using-ppa.html13:21
jussiactually, I like that one, as we reasonably often get people asking about yahoo and voice. any peoples who disagree?13:24
popeyI disagree only because I dont like that website13:24
jussipopey: oh, yeah, apart from that13:24
PiciI'm not so sure we should be adding natty-only factoids just yet.13:25
jussiPici: another good point.13:25
gordwe refer to $random_website for factoids? i don't like that at all13:27
tsimpsonwell, "we" are supposed to review the website before accepting a factoid, and anyone can always copy+paste to help.u.c (as long as copyright allows)13:29
gordits more that putting things on random website removes control, for something that is supposed to be good information, that seems like a bad idea to me13:29
PiciWell, we probably should go through the factoids that we do have at some point.13:30
tsimpsonjust because something isn't on help.u.c does not necessarily make it bad, but I'd prefer to copy it there13:31
PiciRight.  There are some good external sources out there.13:32
jussilike psychocats is usually ok13:34
bazhangguessing webupd8's haguichi would be even less acceptable13:34
* popey shudders13:37
PiciI was just thinking (oh no!), I'm not sure if this is even applicable for the stuff we run, but would it make sense to have a nagios/similar instance plus some custom plugins to monitor the status of all of our bots plus whatever data we can get about freenode's state externally?13:38
jussiwhat is nagios?13:39
* jussi googles13:39
PiciIts a monitoring package.13:39
PiciMaybe thats a bit heavy, there are similar things, I just don't remember their names right now.13:40
jussiPici: hrm, Im not sure we want to monitor the whole machines/vps instances the bots run on - there is a host of other stuff running on them also. if its just monitoring the bot processes, I dont see too many advantages of having this?13:43
jussiie. what problem would this solve?13:43
Picijussi: times where we don't realize a bot has died and we need to scramble to get another one up.13:44
jussiPici: so just an email if the bot dies? or is there more to it than that?13:45
Picijussi: I was thinking more of a dashboard of irc status stuff.13:45
Picijussi: Let me think of some more ideas and maybe throw something together externally to see if this would be helpful.13:45
PiciMabye I'm just trying to overanalyze a solution to something that isn't a problem.13:46
jussiJust remember the servers the bots run on arent exclusively for the bots13:46
Picijussi: No, I completely understand that.13:47
jussion the subject of ideas, I was thinking of someway of automating the removal of people from here who idle - If we used a bot for that then it would feel a lot less personal and more like oh, the bot removed me, not damn, I got kicked by $operator, nasty person. Its a perception thing only though. Perhaps if a non identified person hasnt spoke for 15 mins they get removed? (with some nicks excepted). or something like that?13:50
popeywhat if they auto rejoin13:50
jussipopey: most clients dont auto rejoin on remove, but then it would be up to a op to sort it13:51
bazhangseems like another unnecessary layer of complexity13:51
PiciHave we been having problems with non-ops idling here?13:51
bazhangnot since most of them have been made ops13:52
Picibazhang: :P13:52
jussiits just something Ive noticed over time, but if you feel there is no issue, then ok :)13:54
nhandlerI think for the most part, the OPs are fine about catching idling users. As long as they include a nice explanation for the removal as a message, I think it is fine. A bot sounds like overkill. But we should get a bit more strict about making people (especially our OPs) be identified to be in here. If they aren't identified, you really can't be certain they are who you think they are13:55
ikoniacouncil, any joy on updating/writing the problem user / blanket ban policy ?15:24
ikonia(council members I should say)15:25
PiciI'm trying to figure out what Dragonbut is even asking15:28
ikoniawaste of time15:29
Pici@mark #ubuntu Dragonbut15:29
ubottuThe operation succeeded.15:29
ikoniagood call15:29
ikoniahe marked me as partially useful15:30
Pici%mark ikonia this person is partially useful15:30
mneptokikonia: can you make me a grilled cheese sandwich and a jet-pack?15:32
ikoniaI am only partially useful15:32
mneptokhow about just the sandwich?15:32
mneptokyou are, indeed, partially useful.15:32
* mneptok makes a notation on his "list"15:33
ikoniaI give in, too much random advice in #ubuntu at the moment15:39
ikoniasomeone has a problem with gnome-keyring and the advice is "use seahorse"15:39
ikoniaood, autobleh didn't place a forward16:05
ubottumotu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU16:06
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports16:06
IdleOne^^ ray2417:55
ikoniaI look forward to him rejoining with a ray of sunshine then17:55
IdleOnesee if he is in a better mood today17:55
jussiwe have a lot of bans in here at the moment, if you own one, please review17:56
IdleOnejussi: there are several I set but that was due to a oops by elky and we reset them17:56
IdleOneso I don't "own" them all17:56
jussiyeah, there shouldnt be bans in here for more than a few days unless its something really bad.17:57
ikoniaoly562/bacta/aborticide are one's I'd not like to see removed and more time wasting with them17:58
IdleOnehow do I list q's again?19:05
tsimpson/mode #ubuntu-ops =q19:06
IdleOneq list is 019:06
tsimpsonI emptied most of it19:07
tsimpsonprobably a good idea to check the q's in #u too19:08
LjLcan i set some modes too19:37
LjLi wanna set modes19:37
LjLthanks jussi, but was having dinner ;)20:30
Picimeh, I'm out for a bit.21:19
* LjL pats picipici on the back21:22
guntbertplease have a look at YankDownUnder in #u, his advice seem a bit off the mark...21:31

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