[00:06] <aaditya> kevin9286049: what color?
[00:06] <kevin9286049> aaditya: black.
[00:07] <kevin9286049> good question aaditya, not sure what i would do with a red one
[00:07] <aaditya> I'd use pepper spray on it and then watch it squirm.
[00:08] <aaditya> ...before I start squirming myself.
[00:09] <kevin9286049> yeah, i wouldn't do that
[02:55] <iheartubuntu1> i cant believe nhaines got out of DMV so quick! nice job
[02:58] <akk> Last time I had to go to DMV, what worked best: check the waiting times at all the local DMVs and rush to the one with the shortest waiting time.
[02:58] <akk> It's really helpful having that info online.
[03:04] <iheartubuntu1> i told them to go to another DMV too
[03:04] <akk> Appointments at the DMV often don't seem to save any time.
[03:05] <akk> The appt line is shorter but sometimes they also call the numbers less often.
[03:05] <akk> But they use that horrid system of random letters where it's impossible to estimate how much time is left. :(
[03:06] <pleia2> california's dmv is pretty horrible all around (at least the location in SF)
[03:07] <akk> In SF you're not supposed to do car stuff anyway. :)
[03:10] <nhaines> akk: haha, that's what I did!  They released an Android app just a couple days ago.
[03:11] <nhaines> The plan was to survey all the non-appointment times for all local DMVs and then rush to the northernmost one.  But the jokes on me, I went south 10 miles.  :(
[03:12] <pleia2> akk: even though I don't drive much, I needed a license
[03:13] <pleia2> states get cranky if I keep my PA license!
[03:13] <nhaines> pleia2: state ID card>
[03:13] <akk> I was joking, pleia2, honest!
[03:13] <pleia2> hehe
[03:13] <akk> And she'd need to go to the DMV even for an ID card.
[03:13] <pleia2> new jersey DMV is pretty awful too
[03:16] <pleia2> both would be better if they hired nice people (or didn't ruin people by making their jobs horrible?)
[03:16] <nhaines> akk: just to keep her PA driver's license, I mean.  :)
[03:16] <nhaines> Everyone wass actually super friendly at the DMV today.
[03:17] <akk> That helps!
[03:17] <akk> Though I think friendliness and short lines tend to go together.
[03:17] <akk> The super-crowded DMVs and post offices get customers grumpy about having waited so long, so they're rude to the staff, so the staff get grumpy too.
[03:18] <pleia2> yeah
[03:18] <pleia2> they should have a greeter!
[03:18] <akk> ew, I hate greeters
[03:18] <pleia2> hehe
[03:19] <akk> DMV does usually have a greeter, though ... a "start here" person who gives you the appropriate line-waiting number/letter combo.
[03:19] <pleia2> well, instead there was a guy walking around yelling at people for being in the wrong lines and having the wrong forms, and refusing to tell anyone the right line or right form to use
[03:19] <pleia2> ^^ the "start here" guy
[03:19] <nhaines> haha
[03:19] <akk> great! how helpful
[03:19] <pleia2> and I didn't bring a pen, I got yelled at for that too, they don't have pens
[03:20] <akk> How evil of you not to know that! I bet you were deliberately trying to slow down their who operation, pleia2.
[03:21] <pleia2> that's me!
[03:23] <iheartubuntu1> :D
[03:23] <iheartubuntu1> ahhh... DMV.
[03:29] <iheartubuntu1> :)
[03:29] <pleia2> my speakers are unhappy when move the screen on my netbook :(
[03:29] <pleia2> the speaker wires in hinges are probably unwell
[03:29] <iheartubuntu1> sucks!
[03:30] <akk> aw, your netbook isn't that old!
[03:30] <akk> no fair
[03:30] <pleia2> almost 2.5 years, isn't that old in laptop years? :)
[03:30] <akk> Wow, is it? I thought it was under a year.
[03:31] <pleia2> nah, got it for christmas in 2008
[03:31] <akk> I'm not the person to ask, though, the person who's still using a mobile pentium laptop. :)
[03:31] <pleia2> yeah, my real laptop is a p3 (this is a netbook!)
[03:31] <pleia2> but the p3 is almost done, it can't do wifi anymore
[03:31] <pleia2> no built in wifi, and the pcmcia slots are toast
[03:32] <nhaines> Aww.
[03:32] <akk> d got his p3 laptop's pcmcia slot repaired a while back (but now he has a newer netbook).
[03:33] <akk> My p3 still works, but I don't use it much 'cause I like the wider WXGA screen on the other laptop.
[04:44] <nhaines> Well, so much for nethack.  I managed to feed my pony and retame him but depsite the trapdoor getting me to level 3, the return to level 2 for my pony claimed my life.
[04:48]  * pleia2 chuckles
[06:04] <pleia2> Flannel: Eureka has gone walkabout again!
[06:04] <pleia2> anyway, finally got around to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/March
[06:05] <pleia2> please add to it if I've missed anything :)
[06:09] <pleia2> and figured it was time to archive the 2010 meetings
[16:20] <kevin9286049> i thought this was cute:  "squishy circuits" http://091labs.com/2011/04/ted-talk-squishy-circuits/
[17:01] <iheartubuntu> i like the panel format too pleia2
[17:05] <pleia2> as a panelist or attendee?
[17:15]  * pleia2 gives Eureka a botsnack
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> panelist
[17:17] <iheartubuntu> i did this in 1999 at a reggae conference up in san jose. worked quite well and no one was under any pressure really. very relaxed
[17:18]  * iheartubuntu used to have natty dreadlocks (if u could believe)
[17:18] <kevin9286049> hey everybody.  iheartubuntu, how's the back doing?
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> a little better today thanks
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> doing simple stretches
[17:18] <kevin9286049> right on
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> hot showers
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> i was going to go to chiro yest, but i thought id wait till monday
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> if its still bad i'll go, but its getting better slowly.
[17:19] <kevin9286049> chiro?
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> chiropractor
[17:19] <kevin9286049> ah
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> i notice when im in shape i never need him :)
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> when im out of shape, i always need him (but never go)
[17:21] <kevin9286049> i don't think i've ever been to one
[17:21] <kevin9286049> never been much of a fan
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> another big quake in japan
[17:22] <sn9> how big?
[17:22] <pleia2> 7.4
[17:22] <sn9> ouch
[17:22] <akk> quite big :(
[17:22] <sn9> tsunami expected?
[17:22] <akk> I heard they cancelled the tsunami alert, but I'm not sure if that was a reliable source
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> these numbers mean nothing to pleia2 :|
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> the "tsunami" was 1 meter big
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> or 1 meter small
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> thankfully nothing like before
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> i dont think ive ever experienced a 7.4
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> and dont want to
[17:24] <sn9> how big was the northridge quake in '94?
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> 6.7
[17:25] <kevin9286049> there was a 7.x in the 80s
[17:25] <kevin9286049> first earthquake i remember
[17:25] <akk> In california? Where?
[17:25] <sn9> kevin9286049: 1989
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> the montebello one?
[17:25] <kevin9286049> sn9: sounds about right
[17:25] <sn9> loma prieta
[17:25] <akk> No, 1989 was 6.9 (loma prieta)
[17:25] <kevin9286049> oh i think whittier
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> yah whittier
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> i dont know if it was over 7.0 tho
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> whittier was 1987
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> 6.0
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> i was on top of that one at the epicenter. that was bad where i was
[17:26] <kevin9286049> hmmm weird
[17:26] <sn9> akk: the initial reports were 6.9, soon revised to 7.1, but that was on the richter, while the MMA scale said 7.0, later revised to 6.9
[17:26] <kevin9286049> yeah, says 5.9
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> the ground buckled and the windows on my school flexed in and out like a soapy bubble
[17:26] <kevin9286049> for whittier that is
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> then they broke
[17:27] <akk> sn9: Went the other way here -- initial reports were 7.1, revised down to 6.9 a few days later.
[17:27] <akk> whittier narrows in '87 was only 5.9
[17:27] <akk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th-century_earthquakes
[17:27] <sn9> akk: my memory is not THAT faulty
[17:28] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I wouldn't say they "mean nothing to me" - I've watched lots of documentaries about earthquakes!
[17:28] <akk> sn9: I was working in SF, got to see the bay bridge out the window ... I remember it pretty clearly. :)
[17:28] <iheartubuntu> well :) in terms of being in a first big shaker
[17:28] <akk> (fortunately that building was on bedrock so we were fine, just lost power and had a long evening listening to someone's battery radio)
[17:29] <iheartubuntu> you know all about them. i hope u never experience one. what i dont like is they just appear, you have no time to plan.
[17:29] <sn9> akk: the snarled traffic on sunset blvd from dead stoplights led people to get out of their cars and yell "6.9!!!"
[17:30] <kevin9286049> thanks for the link akk.  i'm starting to think more earthquakes occur in northern california than down here
[17:31] <kevin9286049> what about the earthquake simulator, been in plenty of those
[17:31] <akk> sn9: You could tell at work who the native californians were -- we were leaning against the wall going "7.1." "Naw, just a 6.8." "C'mon, this has got to be at least 7.3."
[17:31] <iheartubuntu> LA is due for one a decent sized one. so northridge was the last one around here? thats been a while then
[17:32] <akk> sn9: and everybody else was going "OMG! We're going to die!!"
[17:32] <sn9> akk: i didn't actually feel it, being in a moving vehicle on 280 coming back from venrock
[17:33] <akk> We were on the fourth floor so we got some decent swaying. (I'm glad I wasn't in a skyscraper!)
[17:33] <akk> It felt like it lasted a really long time -- everybody overestimated the duration afterward.
[17:33] <pleia2> they tell me the ground beneath my building may liquify
[17:33] <akk> pleia2: :(
[17:33] <iheartubuntu> i was at home with some popcorn getting ready for the ballgame
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> are u in a newer building?
[17:34] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, built in 2004
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> ohh not bad
[17:34] <akk> LA's weird, hard to predict 'cause the quakes always seem to come on previously un-noticed faults instead of the big ones.
[17:34] <akk> In the bay area it'll almost certainly be the San Andreas or the Hayward.
[17:34] <sn9> pleia2: yes, that part of town has some of the worst soil
[17:35] <akk> (though the Calaveras has been doing a lot of little quakes lately, but it's right next to the Hayward)
[17:35] <pleia2> they /say/ it's "fine" through a 7.0 and even worse than that it won't fall down (but may have unrepairable structural damage)
[17:36] <akk> Not falling down is good, The rest is the building owner's problem.
[17:37] <kevin9286049> /they/ say lots of things
[17:37] <pleia2> unfortunately we own, so we are partially building owners, we'd pretty much be sunk
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> literally and...
[17:38] <pleia2> indeed!
[17:38] <kevin9286049> how many stories is your building pleia2 ?
[17:38] <sn9> it's tall.
[17:38] <pleia2> the HOA actually looked into earthquake insurance, but the deductable was $5 million and it was something like $50/mo extra in dues for each unit
[17:38] <pleia2> kevin9286049: 16
[17:38] <pleia2> stories
[17:39] <sn9> the CEA made earthquake insurance completely unattainable, whereas it was previously a nobrainer
[17:39] <kevin9286049> well, i guess you'd own like 1/160th of the plot if the building was totally destroyed
[17:40] <kevin9286049> that is still valuable realestate
[17:40] <kevin9286049> not sure how much it would cost to build a new building there though
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> i dont think you own the land in america anymore. just the property on top of it
[17:40] <kevin9286049> i wonder if you saved $200,000 if that would be enough to cover the cost of rebuilding a single unit
[17:40] <sn9> kevin9286049: depends where
[17:40] <sn9> oops
[17:41] <sn9> iheartubuntu: depends where
[17:41] <pleia2> yeah, our deed includes elevation (I joked that if we sink, do we get the unit above us? :D)
[17:41] <kevin9286049> you own a 3d cube in the sky
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> sn9 - there is only one or two states now that allow full ownership. i think NH is one of them. i would have to double check
[17:41] <kevin9286049> i never thought of it that way before
[17:42] <sn9> iheartubuntu: also depends where in each state
[17:42] <sn9> most states have local ordinances that control it to a finer grain
[17:44] <kevin9286049> when i owned a condo, it was pretty much believed that if the condo was destroyed, that a new one would be built
[17:44] <kevin9286049> but i never checked the cc&rs or my deed to really check what land was mine
[17:45] <kevin9286049> well, that's not exactly true
[17:45] <akk> My understanding (which may be wrong) is that the diff between a condo and a house/townhouse is that with a condo you don't own the land underneath, with the others you do.
[17:45] <akk> And surely with farms and things, the whole point is owning the land? So in what way do you not really own it?
[17:45] <akk> I know sometimes mineral and water rights are split out separately.
[17:45] <kevin9286049> it was all parceled out.  so i owned this unit, this garage space on the deed
[17:45] <pleia2> the decision of whether to rebuild here would be upon the owners, who would mostly be banks and things once we all declare bankruptcy :\
[17:46] <iheartubuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title
[17:46] <kevin9286049> well, if your unit is ont he bottom floor then i suppose you own that piece of the land
[17:46] <kevin9286049> if that's true, then it may be in the interest of "banks and things" for your building to collapse O_O
[17:47] <kevin9286049> scary
[17:47] <kevin9286049> i hope there aren't crony capitalists staring at buildings wishing they would collapse
[17:47] <pleia2> no, I don't think they actually want to own a pile of rubble when mortgages are defaulted on
[17:48] <iheartubuntu> with eminent domain there is no such thing as true ownership in america anymore. a few states give you limited allodial titles
[17:49] <kevin9286049> as long as you're paying your mortgage, i suppose not pleia2
[17:49] <akk> I'm trying to make sense of that wikipedia page but, well, kinda tl;dr if you're just trying to answer "in what way don't I own my backyard"?
[17:49] <kevin9286049> well, you'd have to pay off your mortgage first anyway iheartubuntu
[17:49] <pleia2> kevin9286049: I suspect most people living here aren't wealthy enough to continue paying for a mortgage for a place they can no longer live in (we certainly aren't)
[17:50] <kevin9286049> it kind of makes me wonder exactly who gets shafted when a mortgage is defaulted on
[17:52] <kevin9286049> anyway, i just heard about this game:  http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install
[17:52] <kevin9286049> i don't really have any projects to work on today
[17:53] <kevin9286049> i better go find some
[17:54] <kevin9286049> oh yeah, i'm following a house representative on twitter
[17:54] <kevin9286049> i couldn't find feinstein or boxer on twitter
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> ive heard of that company before
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> they make the game http://www.spring1944.org/
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> but i never did get it installed
[17:56] <kevin9286049> i haven't installed it either, i don't expect it to run very well on my hardware
[17:56] <kevin9286049> i wonder if it's multiplayer
[17:56] <kevin9286049> that would be cool
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> 6.5 quake in mexico now
[17:56] <kevin9286049> an rts that runs natively on linux
[17:56] <kevin9286049> rolling earthquakes
[17:57] <kevin9286049> well, i was thinking that i think buildings in SF that are surrounded by other buildings are unlikely to fall down
[17:57] <kevin9286049> the only way that it would is with like dynamite placed in the right spot
[17:57] <iheartubuntu> k, lets not worry pleia2 too much!
[17:58] <kevin9286049> i said *unlikely*
[17:58] <pleia2> I'm not actually worried :)
[17:58] <kevin9286049> not likely
[17:58] <kevin9286049> she's working on her acting, bravo!
[17:58] <kevin9286049> i thought you were worried too
[17:59] <kevin9286049> i wonder if nancy pelosi is on twitter
[17:59] <pleia2> there are many things in life that can go wrong, can't do much about earthquakes, worrying wastes cycles
[17:59] <kevin9286049> indeed she is
[18:00] <pleia2> as far as things that can go wrong I think terminal illness and loss of health insurance is probably higher on the list
[18:00] <kevin9286049> worrying is inefficient thinking
[18:00] <pleia2> (I have a cousin the ICU because she couldn't afford to go to the doctor and let a flu turn into life-threatening pneumonia)
[18:00]  * pleia2 does worry about her :(
[18:01] <akk> :(
[18:01] <kevin9286049> there really isn't much $ in preventive medicine
[18:01] <kevin9286049> i really don't worry much about people anymore
[18:01] <kevin9286049> i got tired of my concern being impotent
[18:02] <akk> Preventative medicine is too expensive for a lot of people.
[18:02] <kevin9286049> a lot of people have died in my family the last couple years
[18:02] <kevin9286049> starting in 2007 when my uncle died
[18:03] <kevin9286049> there are lots of ways things can be expensive.  time is one of them.
[18:04] <pleia2> hehe, michael paoli's hatred of vim is epic http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2011-April/003751.html
[18:05] <pleia2> I do sympathize with the frustration that vi is aliased to vim in a lot of distros
[18:05] <pleia2> (I don't care for plain vi, but if I did I'd be annoyed)
[18:05] <iheartubuntu> preventive medicine is probably best... such as... going on a walk and doing some exercises so i dont have back problems
[18:06] <pleia2> hehe
[18:06] <akk> Isn't it pretty much a superset? (I guess I should read the flame)
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> maybei  mean "care" and not medicine
[18:06] <akk> :q! always quits vim for me
[18:07] <pleia2> yeah, I've never had a problem either
[18:08] <iheartubuntu> hope she gets better pleia2 - is she stabilized now and doing better?
[18:09] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it's still quite touch and go, a bunch of family members flew/drove to NY to be with her
[18:23] <nhaines> I've said it before, vi(m) has two modes: beep repeatedly and break everything.
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> thats good lyz
[18:59] <MarkDude> awesome Comcastic install http://twitpic.com/4hz4qy#
[19:01] <MarkDude> akk here is the earliest agreed upon start of the name. You can see that mr happy breakfast taco guy entered the fray also
[19:04] <kevin9286049> i finished installing this:  http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install
[19:05] <kevin9286049> trying to log into a game now
[19:06] <nhaines> What type of game is it?
[19:07] <kevin9286049> rts
[19:08] <kevin9286049> i'm going to play with a touchpad
[19:08] <nhaines> I understand that.
[19:08] <kevin9286049> i'm doomed
[19:11] <iheartubuntu> is that the tank game?
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> or just the engine for all of their games
[19:13] <iheartubuntu> their star wars games looks nice http://www.imperialwinter.com/
[19:16] <kevin9286049> it's like a port of this game "total annihilation"
[19:16] <iheartubuntu> kev... it looks like that install page is just the engine for all the games in their games section
[19:16] <kevin9286049> i'm not having much luck playing it though
[19:17] <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: yeah, if you log in to a multiplayer game it downloads the game for you
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> how big is the install
[19:55] <kevin9286049> i think like ~80MB iheartubuntu
[19:55] <kevin9286049> it doesn't run that well on my system though
[19:55] <kevin9286049> intel graphics are terrible for 3d
[19:55] <kevin9286049> which isn't exactly a secret
[19:55] <kevin9286049> i should stop chasing waterfalls
[19:55] <kevin9286049> i just watched a game though, was kind of interesting
[20:25] <kevin9286049> i see, the commercials on dailyshow are representative of the age demographic
[20:30] <nhaines> Woo, just cleared the first level in Nethack... even found a vault for the first time!
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - are you playing the original nethack or the 3D fork of it
[21:09] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: the original. The 3D fork wouldn't work so well over ssh on a vps with 64MB RAM and no X. :)
[21:10] <nhaines> From my Android phone at lunch. ;)
[21:10] <iheartubuntu> ohhh :x
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> wow, a post on twitter about back pain and im getting "back pain" adverts now
[21:42] <The_Letter_M> lol
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> im guessing its some twitter bot that picked up my keyword
[21:58] <nhaines> Hmm, a partial upgrade of Unity....  looks like I shouldn't reboot at the moment.  ;)
[22:22] <The_Letter_M> Anyone familiar with connecting Dreamweaver to MySQL5.1; the SQL server in Linux and DW in Windows?
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> not at all sorry. i can get dreamweaver to work in ubuntu, but every time there is a wine update it messes up my dreamweaver
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> so ive just stopped using it
[22:28] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: that's not what he asked.  :)
[22:30] <The_Letter_M> oh
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> i know :)
[22:31] <The_Letter_M> What I have is Ubuntu with the LAMP Stack and then Virtualbox running WinXP with Dreamweaver running on it.
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> but i stopped using it because if wine upgrades
[22:31] <The_Letter_M> hehe
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> so dreamweaver is in XP virtually
[22:32] <The_Letter_M> I got MySQL configured so that it accepts remote connections and made a user for the remote connection
[22:32] <iheartubuntu> and mysql works in linux
[22:32] <The_Letter_M> but when Dreamweaver tries to connect it gives me "an unidentified error has occurred"
[22:33] <The_Letter_M> yes MySQL is working fine
[22:33] <The_Letter_M> the person I am doing this for has a site using Joomla with mySQL running on it
[22:35] <The_Letter_M> I think DW is just retarded
[22:45] <The_Letter_M> lol
[22:45] <kevin6888296> dreamweaver is connecting to mysql over the network then
[22:45] <The_Letter_M> Adobe has the worst forum search tool I have ever seen
[22:46] <The_Letter_M> well when I go to configure DW to connect to sql, it says "An Unidentified error has occurred"
[22:47] <kevin6888296> yeah, i got that earlier
[22:47] <kevin6888296> i'm assuming you already checked the web for the error
[22:47] <The_Letter_M> and I can connect to the sql server using the mysql command on another machine
[22:48] <The_Letter_M> Yeah. I've been googling all afternoon
[22:48] <kevin6888296> so you can connect to the mysql server from another machine over the network?
[22:48] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[22:49] <kevin6888296> you can try using google to search the adobe forums
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> thats what i was thinking. can you msql from within windows?, not using dreamweaver
[22:49] <kevin6888296> there's probably an app for that
[22:50] <kevin6888296> oh yeah, odbc should be able to connect to mysql
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> in the Windows Software Center? :)
[22:50] <kevin6888296> you mean Best Buy or Amazon?  :P
[22:50] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> you might need a student ID to buy something for windows. its a lot cheaper
[22:51] <kevin6888296> there was a free odbc connector i used awhile ago that was a windows program
[22:51] <kevin6888296> had a little sql window and everything
[22:51] <The_Letter_M> I can connect from another Linux box. I didn't try the ODBC stuff in Windows though
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> can i migrate the files back to ubuntu and the do mysql from ubuntu
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> might be easier then dealing with dreamweaver or windows
[22:51] <kevin6888296> maybe that's how dreamweaver wants you to do it, through odbc
[22:51] <The_Letter_M> No
[22:52] <The_Letter_M> Dreamweaver seems to only support MySQL
[22:52] <kevin6888296> you should be able to test the connection to mysql from the odbc thingamabob in windows too
[22:52] <kevin6888296> that's hard to believe, but i don't have dreamweaver
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> if you dont weave dreams then you probably dont have dreamweaver
[22:54]  * kevin6888296 laughs
[22:54] <kevin6888296> i haven't recalled a dream in like two days
[22:54] <kevin6888296> which is unusual for me
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> so you dont have total recall
[22:55] <kevin6888296> of my dreams?  no
[22:55] <kevin6888296> even when i do remember them i have to write them down
[22:55] <kevin6888296> actually, i should read my dream journal
[22:55] <kevin6888296> it can be an interesting read
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> there is a great site.. dont know where i found it... where u can input your dreams into a database and it will collectively use the info to make predictions
[22:58] <iheartubuntu> http://www.halfpasthuman.com/
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> i found the dream archive site through there
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> half past human was designed by a guy who invented (for microsoft)  to predict the stock exchange
[23:00] <iheartubuntu> after he left MS he started using his software to predict world events
[23:00] <kdub> i never remember my dreams
[23:04] <akk> I remember tiny snippets and moods, which usually dissolve within minutes no matter how hard I try to hold on.
[23:06] <kevin6888296> it takes work to recall dreams
[23:06] <kevin6888296> iheartubuntu: sounds like wacky 2012 stuff
[23:06] <kevin6888296> when i wake up and recall a dream, i try to connect a single word to the dream
[23:07] <kevin6888296> then i extrapolate from that single word
[23:07] <kevin6888296> it has worked in the past
[23:08] <akk> http://xkcd.com/430/
[23:12] <kevin6888296> nuclear bombs, synchronicity between halfpasthuman.com and xkcd.com
[23:15] <The_Letter_M> I have returned
[23:16] <The_Letter_M> test
[23:17] <The_Letter_M> I wish selecting a color scheme for Xchat was more simple
[23:22] <akk> The GTK theme part is easy, but setting the nick colors is insane.
[23:22] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[23:23] <akk> (well, gtk themes have issues too but at least they're fairly well known issues)
[23:23] <The_Letter_M> I just prefer a dark color scheme with a transparent background
[23:23] <The_Letter_M> and so I have to change every color to look alright
[23:23] <iheartubuntu> "What I want from a restaurant website"... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/restaurant_website
[23:24] <kevin6888296> i used xchat, i used irssi, i used xchat, i used irssi, i used empathy, i use irssi
[23:24] <The_Letter_M> lol
[23:24] <kevin6888296> do you use compiz The_Letter_M ?
[23:25] <The_Letter_M> No
[23:25] <The_Letter_M> I use Xfce instead of Gnome
[23:26] <kevin6888296> oh well
[23:26] <iheartubuntu> Cat VS. The Internet.... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_vs_internet
[23:26] <kevin6888296> btw iheartubuntu cool post on tuxgames.com
[23:29] <The_Letter_M> I'll probably leave Xfce for Unity when the final release is out later this month
[23:31] <kevin6888296> iheartubuntu: my cat used to lay on my lap >_<
[23:32] <kevin6888296> compiz has color inversion, i just use that at night
[23:32] <The_Letter_M> oh
[23:32] <The_Letter_M> I tried Compiz with Gnome for a while on my lappy
[23:33] <The_Letter_M> it seemed like a resource hog
[23:33] <iheartubuntu> my cat lays on my keyboard to get me to pet him. or starts pressing keys if he is pissed off
[23:33] <The_Letter_M> in Xfce I enable the built in window compositing and it runs smooth and I've never seen it get choppy
[23:35] <kevin6888296> type with right hand, pet with left hand
[23:35] <kevin6888296> don't pretend you can't one hand type >_>
[23:36] <The_Letter_M> lol
[23:36] <kevin6888296> does it have color inversion?
[23:36] <kevin6888296> i used compiz by itself for awhile
[23:36] <kevin6888296> that was...interesting
[23:36] <kevin6888296> it would have been fine if there was a widget or something for nm-applet
[23:37] <kevin6888296> that's all i really needed a panel for
[23:37] <kevin6888296> oh, well, yeah it got kind of annoying tabbing through apps
[23:38] <akk> nm can work without a panel now, though of course it's not as supported as the normal applet stuff.
[23:46] <MarkDude> Creative commons the 25th at HP http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1505289361/efbnen
[23:47] <kevin6888296> oh, it wasn't about "not working"
[23:47] <kevin6888296> it just wasn't as nice without having the icon readily available, or even easy to pull up if necessary