[00:06] kevin9286049: what color? [00:06] aaditya: black. [00:07] good question aaditya, not sure what i would do with a red one [00:07] I'd use pepper spray on it and then watch it squirm. [00:08] ...before I start squirming myself. [00:09] yeah, i wouldn't do that [02:55] i cant believe nhaines got out of DMV so quick! nice job [02:58] Last time I had to go to DMV, what worked best: check the waiting times at all the local DMVs and rush to the one with the shortest waiting time. [02:58] It's really helpful having that info online. [03:04] i told them to go to another DMV too [03:04] Appointments at the DMV often don't seem to save any time. [03:05] The appt line is shorter but sometimes they also call the numbers less often. [03:05] But they use that horrid system of random letters where it's impossible to estimate how much time is left. :( [03:06] california's dmv is pretty horrible all around (at least the location in SF) [03:07] In SF you're not supposed to do car stuff anyway. :) [03:10] akk: haha, that's what I did! They released an Android app just a couple days ago. [03:11] The plan was to survey all the non-appointment times for all local DMVs and then rush to the northernmost one. But the jokes on me, I went south 10 miles. :( [03:12] akk: even though I don't drive much, I needed a license [03:13] states get cranky if I keep my PA license! [03:13] pleia2: state ID card> [03:13] I was joking, pleia2, honest! [03:13] hehe [03:13] And she'd need to go to the DMV even for an ID card. [03:13] new jersey DMV is pretty awful too [03:16] both would be better if they hired nice people (or didn't ruin people by making their jobs horrible?) [03:16] akk: just to keep her PA driver's license, I mean. :) [03:16] Everyone wass actually super friendly at the DMV today. [03:17] That helps! [03:17] Though I think friendliness and short lines tend to go together. [03:17] The super-crowded DMVs and post offices get customers grumpy about having waited so long, so they're rude to the staff, so the staff get grumpy too. [03:18] yeah [03:18] they should have a greeter! [03:18] ew, I hate greeters [03:18] hehe [03:19] DMV does usually have a greeter, though ... a "start here" person who gives you the appropriate line-waiting number/letter combo. [03:19] well, instead there was a guy walking around yelling at people for being in the wrong lines and having the wrong forms, and refusing to tell anyone the right line or right form to use [03:19] ^^ the "start here" guy [03:19] haha [03:19] great! how helpful [03:19] and I didn't bring a pen, I got yelled at for that too, they don't have pens [03:20] How evil of you not to know that! I bet you were deliberately trying to slow down their who operation, pleia2. [03:21] that's me! [03:23] :D [03:23] ahhh... DMV. [03:29] :) [03:29] my speakers are unhappy when move the screen on my netbook :( [03:29] the speaker wires in hinges are probably unwell [03:29] sucks! [03:30] aw, your netbook isn't that old! [03:30] no fair [03:30] almost 2.5 years, isn't that old in laptop years? :) [03:30] Wow, is it? I thought it was under a year. [03:31] nah, got it for christmas in 2008 [03:31] I'm not the person to ask, though, the person who's still using a mobile pentium laptop. :) [03:31] yeah, my real laptop is a p3 (this is a netbook!) [03:31] but the p3 is almost done, it can't do wifi anymore [03:31] no built in wifi, and the pcmcia slots are toast [03:32] Aww. [03:32] d got his p3 laptop's pcmcia slot repaired a while back (but now he has a newer netbook). [03:33] My p3 still works, but I don't use it much 'cause I like the wider WXGA screen on the other laptop. [04:44] Well, so much for nethack. I managed to feed my pony and retame him but depsite the trapdoor getting me to level 3, the return to level 2 for my pony claimed my life. [04:48] * pleia2 chuckles [06:04] Flannel: Eureka has gone walkabout again! [06:04] anyway, finally got around to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/March [06:05] please add to it if I've missed anything :) [06:09] and figured it was time to archive the 2010 meetings [16:20] i thought this was cute: "squishy circuits" http://091labs.com/2011/04/ted-talk-squishy-circuits/ [17:01] i like the panel format too pleia2 [17:05] as a panelist or attendee? [17:15] * pleia2 gives Eureka a botsnack [17:15] panelist [17:17] i did this in 1999 at a reggae conference up in san jose. worked quite well and no one was under any pressure really. very relaxed [17:18] * iheartubuntu used to have natty dreadlocks (if u could believe) [17:18] hey everybody. iheartubuntu, how's the back doing? [17:18] a little better today thanks [17:18] doing simple stretches [17:18] right on [17:18] hot showers [17:19] i was going to go to chiro yest, but i thought id wait till monday [17:19] if its still bad i'll go, but its getting better slowly. [17:19] chiro? [17:19] chiropractor [17:19] ah [17:20] i notice when im in shape i never need him :) [17:20] when im out of shape, i always need him (but never go) [17:21] i don't think i've ever been to one [17:21] never been much of a fan [17:21] another big quake in japan [17:22] how big? [17:22] 7.4 [17:22] ouch [17:22] quite big :( [17:22] tsunami expected? [17:22] I heard they cancelled the tsunami alert, but I'm not sure if that was a reliable source [17:23] these numbers mean nothing to pleia2 :| [17:23] the "tsunami" was 1 meter big [17:23] or 1 meter small [17:23] thankfully nothing like before [17:24] i dont think ive ever experienced a 7.4 [17:24] and dont want to [17:24] how big was the northridge quake in '94? [17:24] 6.7 [17:25] there was a 7.x in the 80s [17:25] first earthquake i remember [17:25] In california? Where? [17:25] kevin9286049: 1989 [17:25] the montebello one? [17:25] sn9: sounds about right [17:25] loma prieta [17:25] No, 1989 was 6.9 (loma prieta) [17:25] oh i think whittier [17:25] yah whittier [17:25] i dont know if it was over 7.0 tho [17:26] whittier was 1987 [17:26] 6.0 [17:26] i was on top of that one at the epicenter. that was bad where i was [17:26] hmmm weird [17:26] akk: the initial reports were 6.9, soon revised to 7.1, but that was on the richter, while the MMA scale said 7.0, later revised to 6.9 [17:26] yeah, says 5.9 [17:26] the ground buckled and the windows on my school flexed in and out like a soapy bubble [17:26] for whittier that is [17:26] then they broke [17:27] sn9: Went the other way here -- initial reports were 7.1, revised down to 6.9 a few days later. [17:27] whittier narrows in '87 was only 5.9 [17:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th-century_earthquakes [17:27] akk: my memory is not THAT faulty [17:28] iheartubuntu: I wouldn't say they "mean nothing to me" - I've watched lots of documentaries about earthquakes! [17:28] sn9: I was working in SF, got to see the bay bridge out the window ... I remember it pretty clearly. :) [17:28] well :) in terms of being in a first big shaker [17:28] (fortunately that building was on bedrock so we were fine, just lost power and had a long evening listening to someone's battery radio) [17:29] you know all about them. i hope u never experience one. what i dont like is they just appear, you have no time to plan. [17:29] akk: the snarled traffic on sunset blvd from dead stoplights led people to get out of their cars and yell "6.9!!!" [17:30] thanks for the link akk. i'm starting to think more earthquakes occur in northern california than down here [17:31] what about the earthquake simulator, been in plenty of those [17:31] sn9: You could tell at work who the native californians were -- we were leaning against the wall going "7.1." "Naw, just a 6.8." "C'mon, this has got to be at least 7.3." [17:31] LA is due for one a decent sized one. so northridge was the last one around here? thats been a while then [17:32] sn9: and everybody else was going "OMG! We're going to die!!" [17:32] akk: i didn't actually feel it, being in a moving vehicle on 280 coming back from venrock [17:33] We were on the fourth floor so we got some decent swaying. (I'm glad I wasn't in a skyscraper!) [17:33] It felt like it lasted a really long time -- everybody overestimated the duration afterward. [17:33] they tell me the ground beneath my building may liquify [17:33] pleia2: :( [17:33] i was at home with some popcorn getting ready for the ballgame [17:34] are u in a newer building? [17:34] iheartubuntu: yeah, built in 2004 [17:34] ohh not bad [17:34] LA's weird, hard to predict 'cause the quakes always seem to come on previously un-noticed faults instead of the big ones. [17:34] In the bay area it'll almost certainly be the San Andreas or the Hayward. [17:34] pleia2: yes, that part of town has some of the worst soil [17:35] (though the Calaveras has been doing a lot of little quakes lately, but it's right next to the Hayward) [17:35] they /say/ it's "fine" through a 7.0 and even worse than that it won't fall down (but may have unrepairable structural damage) [17:36] Not falling down is good, The rest is the building owner's problem. [17:37] /they/ say lots of things [17:37] unfortunately we own, so we are partially building owners, we'd pretty much be sunk [17:38] literally and... [17:38] indeed! [17:38] how many stories is your building pleia2 ? [17:38] it's tall. [17:38] the HOA actually looked into earthquake insurance, but the deductable was $5 million and it was something like $50/mo extra in dues for each unit [17:38] kevin9286049: 16 [17:38] stories [17:39] the CEA made earthquake insurance completely unattainable, whereas it was previously a nobrainer [17:39] well, i guess you'd own like 1/160th of the plot if the building was totally destroyed [17:40] that is still valuable realestate [17:40] not sure how much it would cost to build a new building there though [17:40] i dont think you own the land in america anymore. just the property on top of it [17:40] i wonder if you saved $200,000 if that would be enough to cover the cost of rebuilding a single unit [17:40] kevin9286049: depends where [17:40] oops [17:41] iheartubuntu: depends where [17:41] yeah, our deed includes elevation (I joked that if we sink, do we get the unit above us? :D) [17:41] you own a 3d cube in the sky [17:41] sn9 - there is only one or two states now that allow full ownership. i think NH is one of them. i would have to double check [17:41] i never thought of it that way before [17:42] iheartubuntu: also depends where in each state [17:42] most states have local ordinances that control it to a finer grain [17:44] when i owned a condo, it was pretty much believed that if the condo was destroyed, that a new one would be built [17:44] but i never checked the cc&rs or my deed to really check what land was mine [17:45] well, that's not exactly true [17:45] My understanding (which may be wrong) is that the diff between a condo and a house/townhouse is that with a condo you don't own the land underneath, with the others you do. [17:45] And surely with farms and things, the whole point is owning the land? So in what way do you not really own it? [17:45] I know sometimes mineral and water rights are split out separately. [17:45] it was all parceled out. so i owned this unit, this garage space on the deed [17:45] the decision of whether to rebuild here would be upon the owners, who would mostly be banks and things once we all declare bankruptcy :\ [17:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title [17:46] well, if your unit is ont he bottom floor then i suppose you own that piece of the land [17:46] if that's true, then it may be in the interest of "banks and things" for your building to collapse O_O [17:47] scary [17:47] i hope there aren't crony capitalists staring at buildings wishing they would collapse [17:47] no, I don't think they actually want to own a pile of rubble when mortgages are defaulted on [17:48] with eminent domain there is no such thing as true ownership in america anymore. a few states give you limited allodial titles [17:49] as long as you're paying your mortgage, i suppose not pleia2 [17:49] I'm trying to make sense of that wikipedia page but, well, kinda tl;dr if you're just trying to answer "in what way don't I own my backyard"? [17:49] well, you'd have to pay off your mortgage first anyway iheartubuntu [17:49] kevin9286049: I suspect most people living here aren't wealthy enough to continue paying for a mortgage for a place they can no longer live in (we certainly aren't) [17:50] it kind of makes me wonder exactly who gets shafted when a mortgage is defaulted on [17:52] anyway, i just heard about this game: http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install [17:52] i don't really have any projects to work on today [17:53] i better go find some [17:54] oh yeah, i'm following a house representative on twitter [17:54] i couldn't find feinstein or boxer on twitter [17:55] ive heard of that company before [17:55] they make the game http://www.spring1944.org/ [17:55] but i never did get it installed [17:56] i haven't installed it either, i don't expect it to run very well on my hardware [17:56] i wonder if it's multiplayer [17:56] that would be cool [17:56] 6.5 quake in mexico now [17:56] an rts that runs natively on linux [17:56] rolling earthquakes [17:57] well, i was thinking that i think buildings in SF that are surrounded by other buildings are unlikely to fall down [17:57] the only way that it would is with like dynamite placed in the right spot [17:57] k, lets not worry pleia2 too much! [17:58] i said *unlikely* [17:58] I'm not actually worried :) [17:58] not likely [17:58] she's working on her acting, bravo! [17:58] i thought you were worried too [17:59] i wonder if nancy pelosi is on twitter [17:59] there are many things in life that can go wrong, can't do much about earthquakes, worrying wastes cycles [17:59] indeed she is [18:00] as far as things that can go wrong I think terminal illness and loss of health insurance is probably higher on the list [18:00] worrying is inefficient thinking [18:00] (I have a cousin the ICU because she couldn't afford to go to the doctor and let a flu turn into life-threatening pneumonia) [18:00] * pleia2 does worry about her :( [18:01] :( [18:01] there really isn't much $ in preventive medicine [18:01] i really don't worry much about people anymore [18:01] i got tired of my concern being impotent [18:02] Preventative medicine is too expensive for a lot of people. [18:02] a lot of people have died in my family the last couple years [18:02] starting in 2007 when my uncle died [18:03] there are lots of ways things can be expensive. time is one of them. [18:04] hehe, michael paoli's hatred of vim is epic http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2011-April/003751.html [18:05] I do sympathize with the frustration that vi is aliased to vim in a lot of distros [18:05] (I don't care for plain vi, but if I did I'd be annoyed) [18:05] preventive medicine is probably best... such as... going on a walk and doing some exercises so i dont have back problems [18:06] hehe [18:06] Isn't it pretty much a superset? (I guess I should read the flame) [18:06] maybei mean "care" and not medicine [18:06] :q! always quits vim for me [18:07] yeah, I've never had a problem either [18:08] hope she gets better pleia2 - is she stabilized now and doing better? [18:09] iheartubuntu: it's still quite touch and go, a bunch of family members flew/drove to NY to be with her [18:23] I've said it before, vi(m) has two modes: beep repeatedly and break everything. [18:28] thats good lyz [18:59] awesome Comcastic install http://twitpic.com/4hz4qy# [19:01] akk here is the earliest agreed upon start of the name. You can see that mr happy breakfast taco guy entered the fray also [19:04] i finished installing this: http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install [19:05] trying to log into a game now [19:06] What type of game is it? [19:07] rts [19:08] i'm going to play with a touchpad [19:08] I understand that. [19:08] i'm doomed [19:11] is that the tank game? [19:12] or just the engine for all of their games [19:13] their star wars games looks nice http://www.imperialwinter.com/ [19:16] it's like a port of this game "total annihilation" [19:16] kev... it looks like that install page is just the engine for all the games in their games section [19:16] i'm not having much luck playing it though [19:17] iheartubuntu: yeah, if you log in to a multiplayer game it downloads the game for you [19:17] how big is the install [19:55] i think like ~80MB iheartubuntu [19:55] it doesn't run that well on my system though [19:55] intel graphics are terrible for 3d [19:55] which isn't exactly a secret [19:55] i should stop chasing waterfalls [19:55] i just watched a game though, was kind of interesting [20:25] i see, the commercials on dailyshow are representative of the age demographic [20:30] Woo, just cleared the first level in Nethack... even found a vault for the first time! [21:08] nhaines - are you playing the original nethack or the 3D fork of it [21:09] iheartubuntu: the original. The 3D fork wouldn't work so well over ssh on a vps with 64MB RAM and no X. :) [21:10] From my Android phone at lunch. ;) [21:10] ohhh :x [21:42] wow, a post on twitter about back pain and im getting "back pain" adverts now [21:42] lol [21:46] im guessing its some twitter bot that picked up my keyword [21:58] Hmm, a partial upgrade of Unity.... looks like I shouldn't reboot at the moment. ;) [22:22] Anyone familiar with connecting Dreamweaver to MySQL5.1; the SQL server in Linux and DW in Windows? === jono_ is now known as jono [22:28] not at all sorry. i can get dreamweaver to work in ubuntu, but every time there is a wine update it messes up my dreamweaver [22:28] so ive just stopped using it [22:28] iheartubuntu: that's not what he asked. :) [22:30] oh [22:30] i know :) [22:31] What I have is Ubuntu with the LAMP Stack and then Virtualbox running WinXP with Dreamweaver running on it. [22:31] but i stopped using it because if wine upgrades [22:31] hehe [22:31] so dreamweaver is in XP virtually [22:32] I got MySQL configured so that it accepts remote connections and made a user for the remote connection [22:32] and mysql works in linux [22:32] but when Dreamweaver tries to connect it gives me "an unidentified error has occurred" [22:33] yes MySQL is working fine [22:33] the person I am doing this for has a site using Joomla with mySQL running on it [22:35] I think DW is just retarded [22:45] lol [22:45] dreamweaver is connecting to mysql over the network then [22:45] Adobe has the worst forum search tool I have ever seen [22:46] well when I go to configure DW to connect to sql, it says "An Unidentified error has occurred" [22:47] yeah, i got that earlier [22:47] i'm assuming you already checked the web for the error [22:47] and I can connect to the sql server using the mysql command on another machine [22:48] Yeah. I've been googling all afternoon [22:48] so you can connect to the mysql server from another machine over the network? [22:48] yeah [22:49] you can try using google to search the adobe forums [22:49] thats what i was thinking. can you msql from within windows?, not using dreamweaver [22:49] there's probably an app for that [22:50] oh yeah, odbc should be able to connect to mysql [22:50] in the Windows Software Center? :) [22:50] you mean Best Buy or Amazon? :P [22:50] yeah [22:51] you might need a student ID to buy something for windows. its a lot cheaper [22:51] there was a free odbc connector i used awhile ago that was a windows program [22:51] had a little sql window and everything [22:51] I can connect from another Linux box. I didn't try the ODBC stuff in Windows though [22:51] can i migrate the files back to ubuntu and the do mysql from ubuntu [22:51] might be easier then dealing with dreamweaver or windows [22:51] maybe that's how dreamweaver wants you to do it, through odbc [22:51] No [22:52] Dreamweaver seems to only support MySQL [22:52] you should be able to test the connection to mysql from the odbc thingamabob in windows too [22:52] that's hard to believe, but i don't have dreamweaver [22:54] if you dont weave dreams then you probably dont have dreamweaver [22:54] * kevin6888296 laughs [22:54] i haven't recalled a dream in like two days [22:54] which is unusual for me [22:55] so you dont have total recall [22:55] of my dreams? no [22:55] even when i do remember them i have to write them down [22:55] actually, i should read my dream journal [22:55] it can be an interesting read [22:56] there is a great site.. dont know where i found it... where u can input your dreams into a database and it will collectively use the info to make predictions [22:58] http://www.halfpasthuman.com/ [22:59] i found the dream archive site through there [22:59] half past human was designed by a guy who invented (for microsoft) to predict the stock exchange [23:00] after he left MS he started using his software to predict world events [23:00] i never remember my dreams [23:04] I remember tiny snippets and moods, which usually dissolve within minutes no matter how hard I try to hold on. [23:06] it takes work to recall dreams [23:06] iheartubuntu: sounds like wacky 2012 stuff [23:06] when i wake up and recall a dream, i try to connect a single word to the dream [23:07] then i extrapolate from that single word [23:07] it has worked in the past [23:08] http://xkcd.com/430/ [23:12] nuclear bombs, synchronicity between halfpasthuman.com and xkcd.com [23:15] I have returned [23:16] test [23:17] I wish selecting a color scheme for Xchat was more simple [23:22] The GTK theme part is easy, but setting the nick colors is insane. [23:22] yeah [23:23] (well, gtk themes have issues too but at least they're fairly well known issues) [23:23] I just prefer a dark color scheme with a transparent background [23:23] and so I have to change every color to look alright [23:23] "What I want from a restaurant website"... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/restaurant_website [23:24] i used xchat, i used irssi, i used xchat, i used irssi, i used empathy, i use irssi [23:24] lol [23:24] do you use compiz The_Letter_M ? [23:25] No [23:25] I use Xfce instead of Gnome [23:26] oh well [23:26] Cat VS. The Internet.... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_vs_internet [23:26] btw iheartubuntu cool post on tuxgames.com [23:29] I'll probably leave Xfce for Unity when the final release is out later this month [23:31] iheartubuntu: my cat used to lay on my lap >_< [23:32] compiz has color inversion, i just use that at night [23:32] oh [23:32] I tried Compiz with Gnome for a while on my lappy [23:33] it seemed like a resource hog [23:33] my cat lays on my keyboard to get me to pet him. or starts pressing keys if he is pissed off [23:33] in Xfce I enable the built in window compositing and it runs smooth and I've never seen it get choppy [23:35] type with right hand, pet with left hand [23:35] don't pretend you can't one hand type >_> [23:36] lol [23:36] does it have color inversion? [23:36] i used compiz by itself for awhile [23:36] that was...interesting [23:36] it would have been fine if there was a widget or something for nm-applet [23:37] that's all i really needed a panel for [23:37] oh, well, yeah it got kind of annoying tabbing through apps [23:38] nm can work without a panel now, though of course it's not as supported as the normal applet stuff. [23:46] Creative commons the 25th at HP http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1505289361/efbnen [23:47] oh, it wasn't about "not working" [23:47] it just wasn't as nice without having the icon readily available, or even easy to pull up if necessary