[00:21] Jay R. Wren (28 minutes ago from MetroTwit) [00:21] I've bitched about google reader and loved bloglines, but the new bloglines is shit compared to the one from 5 yrs ago. [00:27] gentlemen [00:27] today I have important news [00:27] ref counting, is hard [00:27] that is all [00:27] oh also I have decided to kill myself should I ever be made to touch mutter code again [00:29] Where should we make funeral donations to? [00:30] my mom [00:30] she'll be devastated [00:31] (I hope the sober reality of that answer confirms just how much I hate mutter) [00:31] I swear I would rather screw a bucket of glass [00:31] Hello mutter... hello clutter [00:32] Here I am, coding nutter [00:32] Code is very draining [00:32] and I think I'd rather sit on IRC complainin' [00:32] yep! [02:29] Evening [02:30] <_stink__> yes [12:07] geeze, from the "I'm going to pretend I never saw this" mailbox: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/07/0212222/France-Outlaws-Hashed-Passwords [13:59] rick_h__: Wow, that's cosmically stupid [13:59] The password is useless outside of the site [14:01] rick_h__: The summary is wrong [14:09] yea? [14:10] snap-l: so it right, the whole 'can't hash passwords' is wrong [14:10] but it still does say you need to supply passwords [14:10] and you'd think it'd at least need to be a reverseable hash [14:10] Symantec Endpoint Protection is so useless [14:10] sorry, stopped reading at that first word [14:11] AV software that eats a shit ton of resources [14:11] yet somehow still lets viruses through [14:11] ... [14:11] !! [14:11] yay! [14:13] I also pay money for it [14:13] thousands of dollars [14:13] ... [14:13] !!! [14:13] brousch: What do you guys run? [14:14] For AV software that is [14:14] well of course you'd need to license the logo so it appeared safe [14:14] I really really hate systems that specify password length [14:15] snap-l: how long did it require? [14:15] I mean, I've never met one that was more than 8 [14:15] System that I'm logging into says it needs to be 6-8 [14:15] What about systems that specify capital letters, numbers, and a specific number of special characters all at the same time? =p [14:15] oh, has a max [14:15] yea, that sucks [14:15] rick_h__: Yeah, that's really dumb [14:15] it's more the ones that don't allow special characters tjagoda [14:15] i've used 12 as a min requirement before [14:15] makes it a pain [14:15] means they're doing something to keep the password [14:16] heh, time to go passphrase vs password [14:16] Rick_h's password is "c0mandl!ne2" [14:16] =P [14:16] snap-l: come on, just trying to save some db space [14:16] it's expensive you know, those extra bits/bytes [14:16] rick_h__: It should be hashed [14:17] right, and encrypt only stores 8 chars anyway [14:17] worst case, it shouldn't allow certain special characters because they might foobar the entry form, but that's it [14:17] I think we should intentionally build a system which combines all of our user frustrations [14:17] password restrictoins [14:17] annoying confirmation windows [14:18] poor window focus management [14:18] incorrect tab ordering [14:18] scary colors =P [14:18] and then host pron behind it so they're willing to do it all [14:19] and apparently it has a meaning for special character where special character isn't what I think special character means. [14:19] 3 is very special [14:19] it's my favorite number! [14:20] man, this system is just asking to be hacked [14:21] most are :/ [14:22] greg-g: ping === shortcircuit is now known as mikemol [14:34] rick_h__: pong [14:34] so, I haven't had time to write out responses yet, last two days were a bit crazy [14:34] I'll do a bit this afternoon [14:36] greg-g: no prob at all, more for you than anything to get the gears going and all [14:39] * greg-g nods [14:54] I love it when telemarketers call, and get essentially pissed off when you interrupt them to tell them that you don't qualify for their service. [14:55] Bank of America: Homeowner warranty. Sorry, I'm not a homeowner. [14:55] <_stink__> i just make animal noises into the phone. [15:01] act like a 1yr old [15:01] pick up and start hitting buttons [15:02] Well, I want to be respectful [15:03] and I don't want to waste her time, but dammit, be respectful of me trying to be respectful and curt. [15:11] tjagoda: i run a firewall that blocks all executable downloads, has a url filter, restricted user accounts for all users, and MS security essentials on the desktops [15:11] also i make them use firefox [15:12] in the past i've used non-free avast and avg on the desktops [15:13] tjagoda: jjesse can help you with symantec. he's certified! [15:17] Think I might switch to ESET [15:17] They make NOD32 [15:18] the firwall and restricted users i think are most effective [15:18] stuff very rarely reaches the antivirus [15:19] last infections were adobe reader vulnerabilities [15:19] not even power users? [15:19] You make them standard users? [15:19] i have 3 power users, the draftsmen [15:19] the rest are standard users (winxp) [15:21] Anyone got a non-AT&T phone that can send SMS to shortcodes? [15:22] (and would be willing to test something for me? :) ) [15:23] I'm on t-mobile. I guess I can probably send to shortcodes. Never tried. [15:23] Sending PM [15:31] No snap-l, I will not send you those kinds of pictures. I'm at work. [15:31] Ask me later. [15:31] aw man [15:32] I'm impressed that you bothered to set up a shortcode and all just for that, though [15:32] Hey, that's how I roll [15:33] * tjagoda loled [15:33] im on sprint and can test, snap-l [15:34] "test" [15:34] anyone run into a pkg bug recently with qudrapassel and /usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg ? [15:34] Test. [15:34] Testees [15:34] testes [15:35] I see how ColonelPanic got to where he was going. [15:35] tjagoda: Thanks. PM sent [15:36] Though I suspect I already have my answer [15:47] stackoverflow could be the greatest thing to happen to software development since the internet. [15:49] jrwren: hear hear [15:50] I'm liking Unity [15:50] DBO: You done good. [15:50] I have to say, once I focused on what Unity got right, it's a much better experience. [15:51] snap-l: agreed [15:52] i just wish that damn nvidia-96 bug would get fixed so could use it one my real computers [15:52] Yeah, you need a fast machine to make it really pop [15:53] i need nvidia-96 on my work computer. the monitor is useless until the nvdiai drivers are installed [15:54] i killed my tablet's install trying to install the drivers from nvidia's web site [15:54] so i continue using osx all day and night [15:58] love it: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/253712,epsilon-breach-used-four-month-old-attack.aspx [15:59] just rely on stupid people, they're more widespread and powerful than any zero day exploit [16:01] and this is fun: http://engineering.twitter.com/2011/04/twitter-search-is-now-3x-faster_1656.html [16:02] "we made search 3x faster...by going java from ruby" [16:02] snap-l: i actually started a draft blog post yesterday "what i like about unity" [16:02] Yeah, I think we need more of this [16:03] ok you two unity hippies [16:04] i have to ignore the fact that all of my screenshots come from my eeepc due to unity not working on the tablet or in virtual machines, and they have to be transferred by usb because the wifi driver is broken on eeepc :) [16:05] how is the quality of 11.04? [16:05] > or < 10.10? [16:06] i like it better than 10.10 [16:06] ~= [16:06] 10.10 was pretty solid, and 11.04 is getting there [16:11] what a day, what a day... [16:11] serves me right for complaining about yesterday being boring [16:11] indeed. i've already been snippy to someone [16:14] How did we live before pip? [16:15] At least, how did we live before pip install z3c.soap. ;) [16:15] anyone using tbird 3.1.9 ? [16:15] jrwren: Nope. Using Evolution [16:15] easy_install z3c.soap? :) [16:16] considering there's about a metric fuckton of dependencies [16:16] some of which need compilation from gcc. ;) [16:16] i thought easy_intall handled that? [16:16] also, virtualenvs are awesome [16:16] They might have [16:17] I'm just having developer glow [16:18] i had that when someone answered my SO question :) [16:19] I love planning meetings [16:19] They're so optimistic [16:23] I wonder if ESET will be cheaper than Symantec [16:23] Hah [16:23] Tomorrow I will wonder if the sky is blue as well [16:24] snap-l: why z3c.soap? [16:25] ZSI layer is old old old [16:25] Because I wanted to test something with attachments [16:25] and suds doesn't support attachments [16:25] if you have a better vector of attack, I'm all ears. ;) [16:25] z3c.soap is SOAP server, not client like suds right? [16:25] It's looking that way [16:25] yeah [16:25] suds is it [16:25] eset? symanetc? why not run security essentials? [16:25] I'm feeling around in the dark, honestly [16:26] the other you want to take a look into is soaplib [16:26] I'm also looking into SOAPpy [16:26] SOAPpy is old [16:26] Yeah, I'm noticing that as well. ;) [16:26] soaplib and suds are the 2 most well maintained [16:27] soaplib is mostly server side, but does provide client, but not as good as suds [16:27] As long as one of them handles attachments, I'm golden [16:27] I'm not looking for pretty, just functional [16:28] suds handles the other 99%. ;) [16:28] can't use restful for this I'm assuming :) [16:28] not until the next release. :) [16:30] Wow... When I wasn't using Identica, I talked trash about Identica being dead... [16:30] Now I'm using it again, and I see that it really is. [16:30] I think there's like a grand total of 5 people using it [16:30] I'm not posting as much today. :) [16:31] snap-l: chirp chirp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2774805/swa-soap-with-attachments-in-python [16:31] :) [16:31] also a lot of folks have moved on [16:31] sad [16:31] binbrain: There's another question with the same thing, and the pointers to ZSI [16:31] snap-l: but this might help https://fedorahosted.org/suds/ticket/350 [16:32] wolfger: There are people usingit, though [16:32] I think the "microblogging" fad has jumped the shark [16:32] binbrain: Looked into that, and can't make head nor tail about how to get it integrated. [16:32] wolfger: Sort of, though a lot of folks have moved to facebook [16:32] let me take a look [16:32] Yes, [16:32] FB is where it's at [16:32] And it's where I'm decidedly not going to be. [16:33] crap, I feel so left out. Finished a custom project for another dept. Went live and never heard anything about it ever again [16:33] How's that Diaspora working for you? [16:33] so today run into her and ask how that's going "Oh, they love it. They sent the VP a glowing email. He came by and congratulated the whole team" [16:33] ummm, I never heard anything and I wrote the whole damn project [16:33] wolfger: I don't log into Diaspora [16:33] rick_h__: ouch [16:33] boooooooo [16:34] rick_h__: could this be due to you working from home? [16:34] rick_h__: Heh, that's like the IT crowd episode [16:34] wolfger: yea, wtf [16:34] DBO, around ? [16:34] yesh [16:34] brousch: heh, maybe I guess. but I'm on the other side of the building [16:34] wonder if you can at least point me to someone [16:34] so I don't think it woudl matter [16:34] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=114632 [16:34] i'mk trying to use dbus-send to send a notify-osd message [16:34] but failing [16:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/590830/ [16:37] http://i.imgur.com/IXwMP.png awesome [16:38] snap-l: that looks patch seems like it should work, do you know how suds works? [16:39] A little bit, but I'm not sure how the attachments are supposed to work [16:39] rick_h__: i have used h&r block online for years simply because it has worked with FF in linux when nothing else would [16:39] binbrain: If you have some hints, I'm all ears. [16:41] snap-l: looks like you just drop that in, pass it the soap method, a StringIO or open file handle, and run [16:42] with_soap_attachment(client.service.yourremoveattachmentmethod, (MIME encoded data, MIME encoded type, Content-id)) [16:42] args and kwargs are sent to the suds call [16:42] Hmmm, let me try that [16:42] DBO, above was to you. [16:42] * DBO reads [16:42] so client is the connect to the server [16:42] right, I was doing it wrong. [16:43] smoser, you cant with notify send [16:43] try w/o MIME args first [16:43] its a flag you have to set (as far as I understand) when sending notifications [16:43] i can. [16:43] and notify-send doesn't do it [16:43] I need to re-download it because I did a little patching. ;) [16:43] i want dbus-send. :) [16:43] DBO, i think i've found at least enough to get by this issue. [16:44] oh yeah, dbus-send works good :) [16:46] smoser, if you poke tedg in #ayatana he can answer better than me [16:46] I rarely deal with notifications [16:46] make that never... [16:46] fair enough [16:46] thanks [16:49] smoser: according to the sample on the man page http://linux.die.net/man/1/dbus-send there should not be a closing quote after your --dest? [16:49] although that really doesn't sound right [16:49] no, the error i'm getting is right [16:50] its saying it doesn't have a method with the signature i sent [16:57] binbrain: Yeah, I think I was really doing this wrong [16:58] pastebin your code and the error [16:58] binbrain: Still working on it, but understanding it better. :) [16:58] and check if your server is at least getting connections [16:58] embarrasingly wrong. ;) [16:59] * snap-l innocently whistles [17:00] snap-l: it work then? [17:00] not yet, but much closer. [17:00] Let's just say that if I don't have it working in the next 10 minutes, I'll be shocked. [17:12] lol [17:12] caption.... "3wks later" [17:13] har har [17:14] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/d7TRPf4McsxZwvQOANbj/ [17:15] File "/home/craig/.virtualenvs/soaptest/lib/python2.6/site-packages/suds/soap_attachments.py", line 16, in with_soap_attachment [17:15] soap_method = suds_method.method [17:15] AttributeError: 'Text' object has no attribute 'method' [17:15] I'm not sure how to pass along the suds_method.method [17:16] it just wants the method, not a called method [17:16] the text its parsing is probably the returned failed respnse from the server [17:16] How do I send both at the same time, though? [17:16] let me check [17:16] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/Q0ZEuGgphKQSEwfBu3cf/ [17:17] move the kwargs out and just pass the method, not the result of it [17:17] passing in the callable vs calling it [17:17] snap-l: can you just run "print client" after making the connection and pastebin it [17:20] one sec. [17:20] btw: Thanks, rick_h__ and binbrain for helping out. :) [17:20] much appreciated. :) [17:20] python problems, addicting [17:24] File "/home/craig/.virtualenvs/soaptest/lib/python2.6/site-packages/suds/soap_attachments.py", line 34, in with_soap_attachment [17:24] boundary_id = 'uuid:%s' % uuid.uuid4() [17:24] NameError: global name 'uuid' is not defined [17:24] whoa, Fedora's installer is awful [17:24] (after trying rick_h__'s approach) [17:25] snap-l: print your client and pastebin [17:26] binbrain: one sec. ;) [17:26] snap-l: need to import uuid [17:26] I think A) you need to bind the Type input to the method before you pass, or B) you need to pass your Type as an arg or kwarg [17:26] rick_h__: I think the problem is it sin't getting the right number of arguments [17:26] http://docs.python.org/library/uuid.html [17:27] no, global name uuid means you don't have the function imported [17:27] rick_h__: Right, and it's getting called from here: [17:27] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/283/ [17:29] * snap-l pastes the whole module: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/284/ [17:29] snap-l: right, so where is the "import uuid" line? [17:30] snap-l: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/QxX4aZ5hMH6F2m4OS0xq/ [17:31] binbrain: client: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/286/ [17:31] binbrain: Will try that [17:34] bah, this looks wrong. soap_client = suds_method.clientclass(kwargs) should be *kwargs I would think [17:41] so, some follow up on my question above to DBO [17:41] somehow attachment_data isn't getting passed right [17:41] I think that's the big problem [17:41] yesh? [17:41] https://gist.github.com/908158 [17:41] changed it to a list, and it's still running down the len=1 path [17:41] short answer 'dbus-send' can't send a variant in a dictionary [17:41] snap-l: I messed up the kwargs passing, http://paste.mitechie.com/show/VHK0YjC72LirJk126S8Y/ [17:41] and the page i referred to has a different notify-osd than ours. [17:41] just tac them on to the end [17:42] but that gist has a script that does it. [17:43] binbrain: Yeah, that's what rick_h__ posted. :) [17:44] snap-l: you can tyr to change it to a list [] [17:44] but a tuple reports the len() just like a list() so don't get that [17:45] snap-l: did you add the import? [17:45] checking what's being passed to attachment_data [17:45] That's the key [17:46] because the file still gets compiled into a pyc before run and if that throws the exception you're chasing the wrong error [17:46] yeah, somehow it's passing [>, '1', '>'] [17:47] oh, fucking idiot [17:47] lol [17:47] () [17:47] ++ [17:47] how many python geeks does it take to diff methods from method calls [17:48] so how's that 10min looking? :) [17:49] awesome [17:52] suds.transport.TransportError: Internal Server Error [17:52] Now we're cooking. :) [17:55] Thanks again, binbrain and rick_h__ [17:56] Anyone know what HUD_ARM_SERVICE_URL should be set to? [17:56] (line 75) [17:57] https://fedorahosted.org/suds/attachment/ticket/350/soap_attachments.py (line 72) [18:00] hmm [18:01] I've set it to the ?wsdl url that I'm using, and am getting the Internal Server error [18:04] I don't think it wants the WSDL there [18:04] I think that's already known when you create your client [18:04] I'm not sure, but I can tell you that its a URL :) [18:04] heh [18:05] let me try something a little smaller [18:06] um, that suds.transport.send method it that it calls at the bottom does 1 thing, raises a not implemented [18:06] dohhh [18:06] hopefully that's just because its trunk [18:07] I can't imagine the patch would only work in the developers imagination [18:30] rick_h__: / snap-l : what time do you think you'll be getting into A2? [18:30] greg-g: aiming at 5pm [18:31] coolio, just checking [18:32] Who the what now? Something going on in A2 tonight? [18:33] python user group meeting [18:33] michipug [18:33] Just meeting up w/ greg-g as well [18:33] we can't wait to hear the juicy details about his trip [18:33] and how brousch is going to have to be the new group master/slave driver [18:34] I get shotgun [18:34] lol [18:36] Hah, I think I figured out what "HUD ARM" means: [18:36] http://www.mail-archive.com/j-users@xerces.apache.org/msg02891.html [18:37] hmmm, can I upload a 1.3gb file to S3 before I leave work today? that is the question... [18:37] ugh crappy net speeds here in the office [18:38] snap-l: curse you! I just read soap docs, ugh [18:38] * rick_h__ goes to wash out his eyes [18:38] what, we're losing the guidance of greg-g??? [18:38] snap-l: you can drive if you want to. i like the group's center on the east side (more active members over there), and i'm working on like half a dozen groups and events already ;) although ubuntu-mi isn't really a big time sink [18:38] say April Fools\ [18:39] :-p [18:39] he said he would hang out in this channel if he moves on to better places [18:39] so we can still annoy him all day with copyright questions [18:39] :) always [18:40] wolfger: I'm in the running for a position at the Wikimedia Foundation, nothing is anywhere near final yet, it is at best a 50/50 chance (probably less, honestly), but still. The possibility is out there. [18:40] greg-g: what license shuold I use on my lost dog flyer? I mean, I guess people can reproduce, but what if the story is turned into a movie and I'm left out of all the profits? [18:40] haha [18:41] damn, good question [18:41] I only waste greg-g's time with my best ones [18:41] no i'll be paranoid every time i post a memo [18:41] which i could actually talk about for probably 5-10 minutes addressing all of the real and non-real implications [18:42] my favorite is justifying my use of CC0 for code :) [18:42] rick_h__: Actually, I saw a very useful chart on DeviantArt last night that would answer that question for you. [18:42] oooh [18:42] jrwren: I like it [18:42] jrwren: and actually, there will be a blog post from CC0 about that shortly [18:42] greg-g: most people don't get it,a nd I have to explain it. [18:43] heh, +1 I saw that somewhere and went wtf? [18:43] remember "PUBLIC DOMAIN" software from the C64, Amiga era? [18:43] hehe, yeah, it made the rounds, at first I was pissed it was so bad, then i got the jokes :) [18:43] no [18:43] jokes? [18:44] a friend sent me this a while back, is this the same chart from deviantart? http://cl.ly/5nAo [18:46] hah, nice [18:46] yeah, that one Blazeix_ [18:46] Blazeix_: Nope, different [18:46] oh [18:46] which one are you guys talking about? [18:46] The one I saw was just what type of CC to use [18:46] from DoctorMO? [18:46] yes [18:47] * greg-g nods [18:47] thank you. I was trying to remember his name and failing [18:47] omg, this flowchart is great. [18:48] LOL @ peanut butter hula hoops [18:52] this is awesome, 20min into just uploading the data file for a map reduce job that runs 2min locally [18:52] well, 2:48 actually I guess [19:37] Thank you contacting Kobo Customer Care. We have tried loading the pdf supplied into an eReader, and we are seeing the same results. We're not entirely certain what may be causing the eReader to render the pdf incorrectly. Can you please try sideloading the pdf using iTunes and see if this is any better. [19:37] *ca-click* *BOOOOM* [19:40] lol [19:42] Also, they claim that PDFs aren't a standard, and that EPubs are [19:43] which is horseshit [19:43] sorry, that PDFs don't follow a standard, and EPUBs do [19:44]