[03:04] <holstein> this is the first wednesday :/
[03:04] <holstein> no meeting
[03:04] <holstein> we got our official status
[03:04] <holstein> and kinda died off
[03:04] <holstein> unfortunately
[03:05] <holstein> or fortunately, depending on how you look at it
[03:05] <holstein> ive gotten busy
[03:05] <holstein> and cant really help out as much as i was once before
[03:05] <holstein> but, we should try and have a brainstroming via mailing list
[03:05] <holstein> or here
[03:05] <holstein> cause, its dead like disco in here
[03:12] <_marx_> disco is dead?
[03:13] <_marx_> i'm up at five tomorrow
[03:13] <_marx_> on the road by 6
[03:13] <holstein> disco is what it is
[03:13] <holstein> this channel/team is dead
[03:17] <_marx_> i came in in late '08 or so
[03:17] <_marx_> bored unemployed Carpenter
[03:17] <holstein> well, as of 10:14pm EST today
[03:18] <holstein> this place is dry
[03:18] <holstein> _marx_: you still having ubuntu hours at crankies?
[03:18] <_marx_> geeks are lame, too busy making money or coding or living just like us blue collar types
[03:19] <_marx_> been working saturdays lately
[03:19] <_marx_> booked this sat
[03:19] <_marx_> should be 150 or so cash
[03:19] <holstein> how about 11.04 release parties?
[03:20] <_marx_> close to my birthday every time
[03:21] <_marx_> i'm not inspired to do anything other than pay my bills
[03:22] <_marx_> su lost her job a month ago
[03:22] <holstein> drag
[03:27] <_marx_> how to pay the next round of bills is much more important to me than...most anything i can think of
[03:28] <holstein> i hear you
[03:28] <holstein> its tough right now for sure
[03:28] <holstein> who is team lead now?
[03:29] <_marx_> i believe the contact is amber
[03:30] <holstein> contact?
[03:30] <holstein> or team lead?
[03:30] <holstein> i dont think amber thinks she is the team lead
[03:30] <_marx_> w/canonical it's the same
[03:31] <_marx_> afaik
[03:31] <holstein> well, we should probably figure out who the team lead is
[03:31] <holstein> thats probably a good reason why the team/channel is dying
[03:35]  * holstein sent an email
[03:35] <holstein> we'll figure out whos who
[03:35] <_marx_> "leading" a loco has a definition somewhere
[03:35] <holstein> and whats what
[03:36] <_marx_> where's that cat herding video?
[03:36] <holstein> _marx_: i was under the impression you were the leader
[03:36] <_marx_> fuckina
[03:36] <_marx_> i can't be, i cuss too much
[03:36] <holstein> hehe
[03:40] <_marx_> seriously there are lots of reasons i'm not a good leader
[03:40] <_marx_> besides not leading
[03:40] <holstein> well, thats beside the point actually
[03:40] <holstein> if you arent the team lead
[03:40] <holstein> thats fine
[03:40] <_marx_> i have no contacts in any computer industry
[03:40] <holstein> we just need someone to do something
[03:41] <_marx_> i did already two three years ago
[03:41] <_marx_> well two anyway
[03:42] <_marx_> i'm stil a 50, yes Fifty something carpenter grandfather...
[03:42] <holstein> congrats
[03:42] <_marx_> not yer typical linux user or loco team leader
[03:43] <_marx_> 5 grandkids
[03:43] <_marx_> that ain't new
[03:43] <holstein> BugeyeD: i remember you saying you were an X guy right?
[03:43] <holstein> im having some issues with XDMX
[03:44] <holstein> wondering if you had any suggestions...
[03:44] <BugeyeD> holstein: i used to know my way around the x config, sure. don't know what xdmx is, though.
[03:44] <holstein> im using it to fake a 2nd monitor
[03:44] <holstein> with an old laptop
[03:44] <holstein> and its working well
[03:45] <holstein> but im getting some strange keyboard behavior
[03:45] <holstein> while the server is running
[03:45] <holstein> and after i disconnect
[03:45] <holstein> and #xorg is ice-ing me ;)
[03:45] <_marx_> '02 or so i did a plug meeting on dual monitors on a P233
[03:45] <holstein> i'll keep fiddling
[03:46] <holstein> _marx_: with XDMX ?
[03:46] <BugeyeD> holstein: no idea about xdmx, sorry. and i'm too tired to be helpful right now even if i'd seen it before. :(
[03:46] <_marx_> a p233 w/2 monitors, no
[03:47] <_marx_> holstein: didn't exist then
[03:47] <holstein> yeah>
[03:47] <holstein> ?
[03:47] <holstein> interesting
[03:48] <holstein> maybe thats why im having a hard time getting help
[03:48] <holstein> i thought it was old
[03:48] <_marx_>  i don't even recall for sure what it ran, likely mandrake
[05:33] <_marx_> holstein: i can prolly do the winston ubuntu hour this month
[05:34] <holstein> i was just wondering if you were doing it still
[05:35] <holstein> and if anyone was coming/interested
[05:35] <holstein> im not trying to say you *should* be
[05:35] <holstein> anyhow
[05:35] <holstein> GN..
[05:41] <_marx_> well can be, money to be made
[05:44] <_marx_> give up $150 when i could really use it or go meet..
[06:06]  * _marx_ a 10+ year desktop linux user
[06:06] <_marx_> and that is all*
[16:00] <BugeyeD> _marx_: i'll be outta town saturday (leaving today, back sunday nite)
[16:01] <BugeyeD> i've been a few times myself, so we can prolly still mark up a couple of UH's if we wanted to. the kids love it there. they like sitting next to me, myself on my laptop and them on their olpc laptop playing games.
[16:02] <BugeyeD> of course, the hot chocolate and gargantuan cookies don't hurt their feelings either.
[16:03] <BugeyeD> i'm so oversubscribed now that i don't think i'd be a good team lead either.
[16:03] <BugeyeD> but if you need someone to step in so there will be someone to "blame" then i'm used to that too. :)
[16:03] <holstein> i wasnt trying to say _marx_ should be hosting the UH's
[16:03] <BugeyeD> yeah, SURE you weren't.
[16:03] <BugeyeD> :)
[16:03] <holstein> i was just trying to guage if they were still happening
[16:03] <holstein> what the interest level was like
[16:04] <BugeyeD> we still do from time to time. our last one saw someone from greensboro show up.
[16:04] <holstein> i was really hoping someone else in our local LUG would take that on
[16:04] <holstein> and either host an UH
[16:04] <holstein> or maybe even an ubuntu users group
[16:04] <holstein> seperate from the LUG
[16:04] <BugeyeD> i go every other week or so for a few hours and take the kids. i've had a few folks stop to talk because of the kids and the linux stickers all over their little green/white laptops.
[16:04] <holstein> i just cant do it
[16:04] <holstein> but our LUG is growing quite nicely :)
[16:05] <BugeyeD> we have a problem in our area. i think we have plenty of folks who "would have been" interested, but
[16:05] <holstein> well, thats fine though
[16:05] <BugeyeD> a long-standing lug in our area has given most of them a _very_ bad taste ...
[16:05] <holstein> and the UH's dont have everything to do with the team
[16:05] <holstein> i just think its a good potential recruiting tool
[16:05] <BugeyeD> good point
[16:08] <BugeyeD> on another note, nginx rocks. it's so much better than apache, at least for my current purposes.
[16:08] <holstein> cool
[16:08] <holstein> its nice to find the proper tool
[16:10] <BugeyeD> varnish looks nice too, and i may start using that for certain things. it has a constant-size ram cache which works very well.
[16:10] <BugeyeD> just wish i didn't have to deal with php ...
[16:10] <holstein> sql is the one that i always google about
[16:10] <holstein> and paste in whatever blindly
[16:12] <holstein> BugeyeD: i think it would be nice if one of you 'old-schoolers' took over for _marx_
[16:12] <holstein> but thats just my opinion
[16:12] <holstein> and i totally understand being too busy
[16:12] <BugeyeD> the sql doesn't bother me; it's the php layer between the sql and the user that gives me nightmares. so many security holes ...
[16:13] <BugeyeD> who you calling old?
[16:13] <BugeyeD> heh
[16:13] <holstein> hehe
[16:13] <BugeyeD> i wouldn't mind, i'm used to getting blamed.
[16:13] <holstein> BugeyeD: give its some thought
[16:14] <holstein> i'll be pushing the issue as i make/have time
[16:14] <holstein> gotta run... BBL
[16:14] <BugeyeD> l8r
[23:18] <akgraner> hey y'all who wants to help plan an UbuCon for the Southeast Linux Fest in June?
[23:18] <akgraner> space is secured already!
[23:20] <holstein> o/
[23:20] <holstein> akgraner: im actually pretty sure i cant be there already :/
[23:20] <holstein> but i'll help out if i can
[23:23] <akgraner> thanks!  I'll make a list of what all needs to be done and send it to the mailing list over the next few days
[23:25] <akgraner> totally forgot about the team meeting - I am neck deep in work and a book atm ...but my schedule should get back to *normal* (what ever that is) after UDS :-)
[23:25] <holstein> akgraner: no worries
[23:25] <holstein> i have a message out to the list
[23:25] <holstein> to determine who is the team lead
[23:26] <holstein> and i'll try and make some time to stoke the fire a bit ;)
[23:26] <holstein> :)
[23:26] <akgraner> oh crap  - I think I am still listed as the team lead
[23:26] <holstein> akgraner: yeah?
[23:26] <akgraner> this last cycle was crazy for me...
[23:26] <holstein> i see you as contanct
[23:26] <holstein> _marx_'s said contact = team lead
[23:26] <akgraner> I thought that is what we decided..
[23:27] <holstein> but i was asuming _marx_ was team lead
[23:27] <akgraner> but I honestly don't mind handing it off...
[23:27] <holstein> anyways, we all no how dead it is here
[23:27] <akgraner> yeah :-(
[23:27] <holstein> and im not really in a position right now to do much about it
[23:27] <akgraner> but the irc channel isn't the only place for activity
[23:27] <holstein> other than just try and brain-storm here and there
[23:27] <holstein> akgraner: true
[23:28] <holstein> i think the whole she-bang is kinda dead though :/
[23:28] <akgraner> yeah - I'll be around more after uds - so maybe between now and end of may we can brain-storm some more
[23:28] <akgraner> and come up with a plan of attack
[23:28] <holstein> sure
[23:28] <holstein> maybe we could have a barleys meetup
[23:29] <akgraner> however, I don't think we are very different from most teams - sometimes participation and activity comes in cycles
[23:29] <akgraner> barleys would rock!
[23:29] <akgraner> (but more towards the end of may) :-)
[23:30] <holstein> yeah, im totally slammed for now too
[23:30] <holstein> im thinking about going for ubuntu membership
[23:32] <holstein> if i can find a thursday i can make the meeting for sure
[23:32] <akgraner> coolieo
[23:32] <akgraner> you can also go to one of the other membership boards if you can't make an americas board meeting
[23:33] <holstein> akgraner: good to know
[23:33] <akgraner> let me know if you need a testimonial
[23:33] <holstein> i want to make sure scott lavender can go
[23:33] <holstein> or you :)
[23:33] <holstein> and/or
[23:34] <akgraner> or more testimonials..make sure to send me the link to your wiki page once you choose a date
[23:34] <holstein> akgraner: will do :)
[23:34] <holstein> im thinking sometime this summer i'll try and make it happen
[23:59] <akgraner> awesome!!