[00:10] Riddell, should i change plasma-mobile pkg version from svn to git? [00:11] rbelem: surely upstream only uses one revision control system? [00:12] anyone seen kworker screw with your system? [00:13] Riddell, they are using this now git://anongit.kde.org/plasma-mobile [00:13] so what's the dilemma? [00:14] Riddell, i replaced svn by git and svn is always greater than git [00:15] Riddell, and the date, should i keep it or replace by something different? [00:16] oh so it's ythe version number in the packaging you're asking about [00:16] yup [00:16] just keep it with svn then [00:17] oki :-) [00:17] clarify it in the changelog to stop confusion [00:17] brb [01:14] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved/+members Kubuntu-de is not a member here [01:19] Was it approved? [01:35] ScottK: approved LoCo [01:36] Sounds like a question for the loco council. [01:36] You need to be approved to get CDs now [01:36] Yep. [01:37] Riddell said Kubuntu-de was approved because it is a team on the loco.ubuntu.com website [01:37] I mean ld.ubuntu.com [01:37] but non-approved teams are there too, however would not get CDs [01:38] Another problem with the new CD shipping is, you can only get packages of 250Ubuntu/50Kubuntu/50Server [01:38] So you cannot get only Kubuntu CDs [01:52] 250/50/50 seems a little too weighted imo [02:24] I'd imagine special requests can still be made. [03:00] I'm experiencing an issue with Kubuntu Natty where shutdown exits to a console instead [03:00] Is this a known issue? Right place to ask about it? etc. [03:16] DaemonFC: I suspect it's unlikely to be a Kubuntu specific issue. You might ask in #ubuntu+1. [08:35] morning [09:47] what is plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets why nobody took it for packing? [09:48] c2tarun: did you enter a proposal into GSoC? [09:48] c2tarun: it did let you run google gadets on plasma, but we removed it recently because google gadgets isn't functional [09:48] about 10 hours left to do so [09:49] valorie: I asked few devs in #phonon but nobody replied :( [09:49] valorie: I also submitted a proposal but failed to find it again, where is it gone? [09:50] what was your link id? [09:50] I'll search [09:50] c2tarun [09:50] valorie: ^^' [09:50] alrighty [09:51] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/c2tarun/1 [09:51] oh my goodness, there is nothing there [09:52] you must fill in the entire proposal, in detail [09:52] before the deadline [09:53] it is worth doing, and there are devels in #phonon now [09:55] valorie: this project was suggested to me by apachelogger, I dont have anyother detail to fill there :( [09:55] valorie: can you please please help me in completing the proposal. [09:55] you haven't done any research? [09:55] I can't do your research for you [09:56] please look at http://goo.gl/EvyrX for some examples of successful past proposals [09:56] valorie: I tried, I read about android toolchain, asked some more info from apachelogger like how to make plugins and others, he said that mentor will help me in these stuffs. [09:56] once you have done it, I can help you improve it [09:56] no one can do your research for you [09:57] valorie: I am ready for research, I just want to know what I am looking for :/ [09:58] like all I got is about android tool chain, there is no info anywhere (or I failed to find :( ) about how to make plugins and other [09:58] I'll bet there is loads out there about how to make plugins [09:58] if nothing else, look at some plugin code [09:59] looks like qt, phonon, and android are all avenues of research [09:59] valorie: what is the deadline for submittin the proposal? [09:59] in 10 hours [10:00] submit as much as you can until then [10:00] we might be able to let you add some tiny bits later [10:00] but the major part of your proposal needs to be in melange before then [10:00] Nightrose: sure, I'll look on making plugins and Qt can you please suggest any other topic which I should research? [10:01] i don't know sorry [10:02] valorie: apachelogger ^^ can you please tell me few more topics for research :/ [10:02] #phonon would be productive [10:05] valorie: the sample proposals are one hell of a proposals, there is no way I can make any proposal like that in next 10 hours :( still I'll try my level best [10:06] that's your goal, and I think you can do well if you concentrate [11:17] We seem to have cmake 2.8.3 in kubuntu natty. Will this be upped to 2.8.4? [11:19] steveire: needs a good reason for it to get around feature freeze (assuming it has new features) [11:19] Riddell: cause it's awesome! Or won't that cover it? [11:20] well it might, if steveire thinks it's awesome it almost certainly is [11:20] steveire: so go ahead and convince us :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:48] It might be a fix for by pet bug :) http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=12057 [11:49] Though I don't expect that to be a good reason [12:05] Nightrose: ping [12:07] Nightrose: please look at this proposal now http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/c2tarun/1 I am working on implementation details and I dont have any idea how to decide time line :( [12:10] steveire: kontact is working nicely on today's live CD, no akonadi or password issues [12:11] Riddell: That's good, but it's not what fedora people are saying... I wonder why [12:11] on the other hand plasma-desktop is crashing, sigh [12:22] c2tarun: ok i will have a look [12:24] c2tarun: ok - can you break down your project into smaller pieces? [12:24] that is a first good step towards a timeline [12:24] what would you do first? [12:24] what's the step after that [12:25] Nightrose: I am exactly not able to decide the small parts, may be after reading something about JNI and creating plugin will help me. but that may take some. I can read about plugins quickly but using JNI is big. [12:26] ok [12:26] i can't help you more than that unfortunately as i am not familiar with the technology enough [12:26] Nightrose: no problem :) I'll try to make the report as better as possible :) before deadline [12:27] Nightrose: what if I write something about implementation and it may get wrong? [12:28] try to do your best and we'll see to the rest :) [12:29] Nightrose: ok :)( [12:29] :) [12:51] Nightrose: in proposal the timeline details are very much technical, I dont have that much technical information on the project. I simplified my project into these steps http://paste.kde.org/9211/ but I have no technical details to give :( [12:52] I was looking forward to mentor to point me to proper reference materials for the project. [12:56] Riddell: ping [12:59] hello c2tarun [13:00] Riddell: hi :) you remember that you told me 2 mnths of contribution is required for kubuntu-membership? [13:00] yes that's the usual recommendation [13:01] Riddell: I packed my first kde application (bangarang) 9 weeks ago. [13:01] best start writing up your wiki page then :) [13:02] Riddell: is there any wiki page available of any kubuntu-member? that may help me in writing my page. [13:02] c2tarun: all members have a wiki page [13:02] * c2tarun looking [13:03] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership example page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AnthonyMercatante [13:03] Riddell was faster ^^ [13:10] apachelogger: please ping me when you come around. [13:12] what exactly is the difference between ubuntu membership and kubuntu membership except the fact the my contribution is more inclined to one of them? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 2 bugs http://goo.gl/HbXHe [13:12] nothing [13:12] c2tarun: pretty much that, also kubuntu-members are also ubuntu-members [13:12] and you get one mail alias more [13:13] yofel: well I think way through kubuntu is easy then, kubuntu membership considers 2 months of contribution while ubuntu consider 6 mnths :) [13:14] Hey [13:15] In ksysguard, I merged some patches to add freebsd support [13:15] hi JohnFlux [13:15] c2tarun: well, it's a point of view thing I guess, what matters is the commitment and the amount of contribution. I at least think you won't leave us soon ^^ [13:15] Unfortunately these patches accidentally removed a #include, which silently meant that Hardware Temperature Sensors no longer worked === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter_away [13:16] I fixed this just after KDE 4.6.2 was tagged [13:16] It would be good if you could merge the one-liner fix to readd the include [13:16] yofel: not unless someone here starts charging me for contributing ;) === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter_work [13:17] JohnFlux: yes can do, a post to kde-packagers is the best way to inform all distros, I think only subscribers can post so if you e-mail me the patch I can forward it then do what we do to get it into kubuntu [13:17] It's not just ksysguard that is affected, but all the temperate plasmoids [13:17] c2tarun: lol, for now read the wiki pages and make sure to write up a good page about yourself and what you did for kubuntu [13:17] yofel: sure :) [13:20] Riddell: done [13:21] rbelem: how's plasma-mobile packages doing? [13:35] yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/c2tarun is this page ok? or some more is needed? [13:37] c2tarun: simple but sufficient I guess, I'm not a good wiki designer though so let's see what the other say [13:37] c2tarun: one thing? can you make the LP id a link to your launchpad page? [13:37] s/?/:/ [13:37] yofel: yup, [13:41] yofel: done [13:42] did you rename that page? [13:42] yofel: nope [13:42] yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c2tarun [13:43] wtf, wiki.kubuntu.org says not found, wiki.ubuntu.com works o.O [13:43] yofel: yup I just noticed :/ why so? [13:43] no idea [13:44] hmmm.... what should I do next? [13:45] yofel: ^ [13:45] looks ok to me, have the others look at it, [13:48] yofel: who r others? [13:49] the other members here? just ask them when you see them [13:51] kubuntu-members please look at my wiki page and please tell if any changes are required https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c2tarun thank you [13:57] is there any other work around except testing? (I mean if there is no what others are doing?) [15:01] Riddell shadeslayer can you please look at my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c2tarun and tell me if anything else is needed there? [15:03] c2tarun: I m -> I'm [15:03] looks good otherwise [15:05] ok, how can I apply for kubuntu membership then? [15:06] !member | c2tarun [15:06] c2tarun: Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community. For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [15:08] c2tarun: it says so on the kubuntu/membership page [15:08] Has anybody else noticed that newly installed apps in natty appear in the menu under the Application tab in the K-menu, but they do not seem to be searchable in K-menu anymore [15:10] txwikinger: works fine for me on PN [15:12] yofel: when should I give date for next meeting? [15:12] no idea, ask Riddell [15:12] shadeslayer: PN? [15:13] txwikinger: Project Neon :P [15:13] Riddell: when should I give date for next meeting? [15:13] Ah [15:13] c2tarun: make a doodle [15:13] and send it to the Kubuntu Devel mailing list [15:13] shadeslayer: doodle? [15:14] kubotu: google doodle.com [15:14] Results for doodle.com: 1. Doodle: easy scheduling: http://www.doodle.com/ | 2. Doodle: Create account: http://www.doodle.com/mydoodle/open.html | 3. Doodle: Frequently asked questions: http://www.doodle.com/about/faq.html [15:14] c2tarun: ^^ [15:19] apachelogger: i've forward ported akunambol to natty, please copy it to the archives [15:19] erm [15:19] i meant the official PPA [15:20] shadeslayer: what should I mention in title? [15:21] Kubuntu Meeting ? :D [15:21] c2tarun: btw i think we had a meeting very recently, you might want to talk to Riddell before scheduling another one [15:21] shadeslayer: sure :) [15:21] Riddell: [15:21] ping [15:26] hi c2tarun [15:27] Riddell: hi :) shadeslayer told me that there was meeting very recently. so how should I apply for kubuntu-membership? [15:29] organise another meeting [15:29] Riddell: for what date? [15:31] shadeslayer: from where do I copy? [15:31] I could just make you member of the akunambol team :P [15:32] apachelogger: yeah one sec, i need to test the stuff first [15:32] 15:13 < shadeslayer> c2tarun: make a doodle [15:32] * shadeslayer is waiting for stuff to build [15:33] apachelogger: that seems easier === Pici is now known as Guest95063 [15:36] what is the mailing list for kubuntu-devel? [15:37] apachelogger: dude, have a look at my 2 proposals [15:37] you have a second too? [15:37] the deadline is today, and tell me if they need anymore fixing [15:37] apachelogger: yes ... :P [15:37] well [15:37] * apachelogger is still writing his second [15:38] :S [15:38] apachelogger: KHelpCenter and? [15:38] Phonon? [15:38] pr0n [15:39] Is there something to do this evening ? [15:39] shadeslayer: you proposed phonon project? [15:39] c2tarun: no [15:40] * bambee is listening heligoland ... lovely... <3 [15:40] c2tarun: PIM Stuff and KDE Telepathy [15:40] shadeslayer: I tried to propose but they asked for my experience in multimedia and programming on android :( so I thought about dropping plans for GSoC [15:40] shadeslayer: anyway what should I write in description of that doodle? === Pici` is now known as Pici [15:41] c2tarun: didn't i tell you alread? :D [15:41] *already [15:41] shadeslayer: that was topic for doodle, description? [15:42] ah .. the agenda goes in there [15:42] shadeslayer: did you read my phonon proposal? [15:42] bambee: testing kdevelop on mav, otherwise nothing official I think [15:42] it features all sorts of graphics ^^ [15:42] apachelogger: no.. i'm not a mentor ... so ... [15:42] apachelogger: show [15:42] shadeslayer: it is the public [15:42] apachelogger: linkie [15:42] * apachelogger likes to show off his thing [15:42] yofel: It's already backported ;) [15:43] bambee: I said testing :P [15:43] I have finished to backport it this morning :) [15:43] shadeslayer: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/apachelogger/1 [15:43] Ohh [15:43] yofel: :D [15:43] ok [15:44] oooh [15:44] apachelogger: nice [15:44] that gives me a idea [15:44] shadeslayer: I mailed the doodle, do I still need to update kubuntu-meetings page? [15:44] c2tarun: please do [15:45] shadeslayer: porn? [15:47] apachelogger: images inline with proposal [15:47] lol, and I thought something awesome :P [15:47] apachelogger: i have a video at the end ... no images tho ... :P [15:47] apachelogger: you just edited raw HTML? [15:48] yofel: I can also help for KDE (however I will test kdevlop anyway) :) [15:48] well, we already release kde, so just hope it works :P [15:48] *released [15:50] shadeslayer: I wrote the flipping thing in googel docs :P [15:50] O_)O [15:50] * apachelogger actually thinks that should be how that mumbo jumbo works [15:50] if I were web developer I would propose a melange project making melange have inter course with the gdata api [15:51] yofel: I mean, I can help on upstream (programming, bugfixes , and so on), so indirectly contribute to kubuntu :) [15:51] ah yeah sure, go ahead ^^ [15:53] apachelogger: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/shadeslayer/1 [15:54] pr0nz? [15:54] apachelogger: yes [15:54] a [15:54] h [15:54] shadeslayer: didnt I read that already? [15:55] apachelogger: but you didn't comment ... do you haz any comments? [15:55] no [15:55] me likes [15:55] ooh :) [15:55] * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger [15:55] apachelogger: remind me to buy beer for you again @ next UDS i come to .... [15:55] or at the Desktop Summit ... if i make it there [15:56] * apachelogger notes that he will be one day late for the DS [15:56] my sis is getting married on august 6 it would appear [15:56] apachelogger: congrats :) [15:56] well, not me obviously :P [15:56] and being late is nothing one needs congratulations on :P === ximion1 is now known as ximion [15:57] Nightrose: pingo [15:57] oh noes [15:57] my hone is awayz :( [15:57] apachelogger: the congrats is for her .. not you :P [15:57] shadeslayer: what do I do if I am running low on brain juice for KHC? [15:57] yep [15:57] apachelogger: your idea seems solid, only problem, KHC seems dead [15:57] like someone shot it in the head [15:58] hence the rewrite :P [15:58] apachelogger: integrate it with nepomuk and/or telepathy? [15:58] like : Oh look! your friend who uses KDE is online, lets ask him! [15:58] for starters I would like to have it not be dead :P [15:58] * apachelogger does not really know what to write about the impl details [15:59] writing a lot there is like pre-designing the app [15:59] that is much against my agile attitude [16:00] shadeslayer: btw, eean had the terrific idea of putting the tasks of the tentative timeline into stories for a scrum backlog and split according to gsoc eval time lines into iterations [16:01] * apachelogger thinks this could go somewhere awesome [16:01] apachelogger: scrum backlog? [16:01] scrumdo.com is also pretty nice on that note [16:01] shadeslayer: read up on the scrum [16:01] yeah looking [16:01] apachelogger: i also need to read up on Graph Theory [16:01] backlog is basically the collection of all stories (read tasks) [16:02] shadeslayer: why? [16:02] apachelogger: because it's usefull in modelling of networks? [16:02] -l [16:02] I mean, other than graphs being generally useful and stuff ^^ [16:02] shadeslayer: how is that? [16:02] I mean, you can model just about anything in graphs :P [16:03] yep, but since my domain is going to be networking, i thought it would be helpful to have a idea on how to use them [16:03] like world positions in a scenegraph ;) [16:03] shadeslayer: so no particular use case yet? [16:04] apachelogger: not really, but it would be useful in the future .. i hope [16:04] well, especially with nepomuk in the mix I suppose a good use case will arise :) [16:05] apachelogger: reading this atm : http://www.gladwell.com/blink/index.html [16:06] shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0R01gP3m0 [16:06] wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff! [16:06] hehe [16:08] apachelogger: what happens if a feature was delayed by a week? [16:08] kubotu: order timey wimey detector [16:08] * kubotu slides timey wimey detector down the bar to apachelogger [16:08] does scrum still split stuff according to the same timeline? [16:08] check it out this is my timey wimey detector ---> SDF@!@%---. [16:09] shadeslayer: well, you do scrum [16:09] scrum is wibbley wobbly methodology stuff [16:09] unlike XP which is extremely precise [16:09] anyhow [16:11] shadeslayer: if a story did not get implemented within the target iteration that can mean a) the effort estimation was off -> look at other stories, how long did it take compared to their rating -> if off -> evaluate all pending stories again ... b) your too slow -> either get faster or you need to evaluate whether stories can be delayed to later timelines [16:11] * shadeslayer notes that there's no Button component in QML .... [16:11] b) in particular would probably mean removing storis/features from the scope fo the gsoc project [16:12] at any rate it brings the advantage that it is less likely you will end up with an unfinished unuseful project by the end of gsoc [16:12] as both you and your mentor have an idea of how well progress is going, so that appropraite steps can be taken to reduce scope [16:12] apachelogger: does it factor in stuff like pressing engagements that might crop up and force one to not work for a week and put in extra effort the following week [16:12] equally scope can be increased if progress is good [16:12] neat [16:13] shadeslayer: that is within your range of decision [16:13] you say what stories go in what iteration [16:13] ah .. interesting indeed [16:13] and you can do this easier because you estimated the difficulty yourself [16:13] so you probably should not stuff 2 stories of highest possible difficulty in a 2 weeks iteration of which you know one week will be spent on vacation ;) [16:14] sweet man .... [16:14] but to advertise the general agile approach, as you would have projects for longer than the couple of weeks gsoc lasts you get better values of your overall project velocity [16:15] simplest value would be: how many points (i.e. difficulty of story) did you finish within the last couple of iterations [16:16] you would probably want to schedule stories that put together result in an equal amount of points for the next iteration [16:16] someone please get me some commas ^^ [16:17] * shadeslayer hands a box full of ',''s to apachelogger [16:17] apachelogger: sounds really neat [16:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGkq7tAhfc LOL [16:51] Riddell, [16:52] i just upload the new package to revu [17:03] apachelogger: poke [17:05] shadeslayer: bingo [17:06] apachelogger: have you seen the progressbar QML mockup? [17:07] apachelogger: the one with the multiple progress bars [17:08] no [17:09] rickspencer3: ping [17:09] hi Daskreech [17:09] rickspencer3: Hello heard that Unity is in question for 11.04? [17:10] Daskreech, well, it was discussed on @-desktop and @-devel [17:10] it looks to not be an issue [17:10] I think phoronix was being, perhaps, a bit sensationalist [17:10] rickspencer3: So no longer in question? [17:10] rickspencer3: hey. Eyeballs :) [17:11] hmm [17:11] Daskreech, well, we haven't shipped yet, but the trend looks good [17:11] apachelogger: give me a sec okay [17:12] rickspencer3: what were the issues at the core of the discussion? [17:12] Daskreech: the supremacy of plasma [17:12] apachelogger: plasma wins that's not an issue [17:12] shadeslayer: one sec is over :P [17:12] corona maybe [17:13] Daskreech, I'm sorry, I wish I had time right at the moment to discuss with you, but I have some managery stuff I have to get done [17:13] valorie: pingy [17:13] Daskreech, you can read all about it on the list though [17:13] apachelogger: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/declarative-ui-components-progressbar-content-progressbar-qml.html [17:13] rickspencer3: link from the Phoronix article? [17:13] apachelogger: thats what i'm using in combination with : http://paste.kde.org/9231 [17:13] * Daskreech goes to look for the article [17:13] shadeslayer: and then wat happens? [17:13] apachelogger: but i can't quite figure out why i have multiple progress bar [17:13] *bars [17:14] shadeslayer: just from quick looky looky ... everytime a repeater gets created a progress bar gets created too [17:14] oh ... [17:15] whee [17:15] apachelogger: thanks :) [17:15] did I ping valorie yet? [17:15] ah, I did [17:15] yep [17:15] shadeslayer: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/apachelogger/8001 [17:16] read and tell me if you likes plz [17:16] 8001 :O [17:16] not that it would have any chance to stand against pron in phonon [17:16] people are getting weird url's for their second proposal [17:16] i guess it's based on the day you submit [17:17] today is day 8001 of the 15th age of the matrix [17:18] O_O dh: unable to load addon kde: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/kde.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 8) line 2. [17:18] someone broke my precious dh [17:18] shadeslayer: you read the proposal and dont mess with perl [17:18] shadeslayer: more likely pkg-kde-tools is either broken or not installed I suppose === makl is now known as ximion [17:35] apachelogger: you used umbrello! bonus points! === ximion is now known as makl [17:45] * txwikinger cheers for umbrello [17:49] Riddell: also I know how to crash it reliably ^^ [17:55] Riddell, did you take a look in the pkg? :-) [17:57] apachelogger: pong [18:02] apachelogger: hmmm ... neat proposal :) [18:08] rbelem: looking [18:13] rbelem: hmm, this feels pretty broken [18:14] rbelem: is it ment to look like this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-mobile.png [18:16] talking of broken I can't find a way to fix the microblog applet, I think we'll have to not patch it and not have it in the default install [18:32] apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [19:06] debfx: ping [19:06] your 2.8.3-3ubuntu5 cmake upload has a debian autogenerated patch in it [19:07] which i think reverts ubuntu_multiarch_library_directory.diff to an earlier version [19:38] apachelogger: pong [19:41] * Daskreech hugs valorie [19:42] {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Daskreech [19:43] 15 mins or so until deadline for GSoC submissions...... [19:51] valorie: yep [19:52] * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} shadeslayer [19:53] * shadeslayer {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} valorie back [19:53] valorie: i haz goosebumps [19:53] and also i'm sleepy [19:54] What is good for the Goosebumps is good for the Ganderbumps [19:54] well, if your proposal is done, sleep! [19:55] valorie: can't need to study for exam on monday [19:55] we can't announce anything for days -- don't even know how many slots we will get [19:55] more than 50, we hope [19:55] yeah :) [19:55] * valorie proscribes sleep-learning [19:55] valorie: hopefully more :P [19:55] or power-napping [19:55] valorie: i've tried .. i just ... keep sleeping once i sleep [19:55] the only way to wake me up is pump me with coffee [19:56] valorie: i was awake during day hours at UDS N just because of coffee [19:57] valorie: going to budapest? [19:58] not sure -- I'm on the wait list [19:58] like last time [19:58] another 2 mins right? [19:58]