[00:06] <Volkodav>  anybody installed gnome 3 yet ? wonder how does it install from ppa ?
[00:13] <IdleOne> Volkodav: you add the PPA to your sources then update && install package
[00:54] <tyler_d1> is there a way to minimize the graphics from within 11.04 please?
[00:56] <Volkodav> IdleOne: my question was did anybody try it and what are the impressions
[00:57] <tyler_d1> overall beautiful
[00:57] <tyler_d1> alot of thought went into the design and feel of this version
[00:58] <tyler_d1> it is however graphically intensive(moreso then the previous)
[00:58] <tyler_d1> and you will be surprised with some of the application changes...
[00:58] <tyler_d1> I'm not able to say how I feel about some of these, as I am currently working on reducing the graphics to improve overall performance
[00:59] <Volkodav> how intensive is it ? similar to compiz or more ?
[01:00] <tyler_d1> compiz however I cannot find the specific setting for it
[01:00] <tyler_d1> I will brb.. going to crank the graphics from my bios
[01:00] <tyler_d1> 5 mins
[01:13] <tyler_d> reducing graphics? anyone?
[01:24] <androidbruce> is anyone able to get gnome3 installed?
[01:25] <thiebaude> i tried but it borked my system earlier
[01:25] <thiebaude> i used a gnome3-ppa
[01:25] <androidbruce> yeah, ehh ubuntu classic works for me
[01:25] <androidbruce> i like it a lot
[01:26] <thiebaude> me too androidbruce
[01:26] <androidbruce> i def hate unity right now
[01:26] <ceed^> thiebaude, borked it how?
[01:26] <matcouto> Guys, I was using an ubuntu daily version, from 28032011, but today i decided to try gnome3 out. All I did was to add the gnome3 repository, updated the sources, dist-upgrade and finally installed gnome3. NOw it' s freezing on login screen. Any idea!?!
[01:26] <thiebaude> i use macbuntu with gnome classic :)
[01:26] <androidbruce> macbuntu? hmmmm
[01:26] <androidbruce> i use docky
[01:26] <thiebaude> ceed^, when i went to log in there was a black screen
[01:27] <thiebaude> i love docky androidbruce
[01:27] <thiebaude> ceed^, im scared to try it again,lol
[01:27] <ceed^> I use Unity. I has decided to hate it, but I could'nt. What's wrong with me? :)
[01:28] <matcouto> I didn' t like Unity at all
[01:28] <androidbruce> i just think unity is in it's infancy
[01:28] <androidbruce> and it will def improve
[01:28] <ceed^> thiebaude, that's borked allright :)
[01:28] <thiebaude> i would use unity and my nvidia drivers but the ram usage is soo high
[01:28] <androidbruce> ubuntu classic is total win
[01:28] <androidbruce> spaces are killer
[01:28] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[01:29] <androidbruce> better than os x imho
[01:29] <thiebaude> now i just use the ubuntu default drivers
[01:29] <ceed^> androidbruce, I agree. Some pretty nasty bugs in it stll. Especially with software not tested with it.
[01:29] <androidbruce> is there anyway to downgrade once you upgrade with update-manager -d?
[01:30] <ceed^> What really annoys me is that the notification area is censored. I have to allow apps to run there. Geesh...
[01:31] <rww> androidbruce: no
[01:31] <androidbruce> rww: really?
[01:31] <androidbruce> that's a shame
[01:31] <rww> !downgrade
[01:32] <androidbruce> yeah, ehhh
[01:32] <androidbruce> ill stay
[01:32] <androidbruce> the mem leaks from nvidia drivers are truly a pita though
[01:32] <ceed^> I break my system anyway. Too boring having it just run all the time.
[01:32] <androidbruce> ceed^: lawl
[01:33] <thiebaude> androidbruce, for sure
[01:33] <thiebaude> at idle it used more than windows 7 when i had 7 androidbruce
[01:33] <androidbruce> yeah
[01:33] <thiebaude> much more
[01:33] <androidbruce> that's no good
[01:33] <androidbruce> i have 3.5gb of ram
[01:33] <androidbruce> so i might be ok
[01:33] <androidbruce> but still sucks
[01:33] <thiebaude> i have 2gb
[01:34] <androidbruce> i run 64 bit as well
[01:34] <thiebaude> and firefox open it would say 900mb or more sometimes
[01:34] <thiebaude> no way for me, i'll use that
[01:34] <androidbruce> gotcha
[01:34] <androidbruce> i use chrome
[01:34] <androidbruce> i think it's a tad light imho
[01:34] <androidbruce> lighter**
[01:35] <thiebaude> 198mb out of 2gb with xchat open
[01:35] <androidbruce> yeah that's a lot
[01:35] <androidbruce> im ssh'd into my natty machine right now
[01:35] <androidbruce> using irssi
[01:35] <androidbruce> im at work for another 1.5 hrs :/
[01:35] <androidbruce> i should probably get back to fixing laptops :(
[01:35] <SudoWoodo> hello i've been using natty for almost 3 weeks now.... i recently installed updates, and now I'm having trouble booting... something like "the disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present".  (and all other filesystems when I press "S").. I powered off my computer after a kernel panic that froze my computer, could this be the cause?
[01:36] <SudoWoodo> and I'm not sure of any solutions... I can get to a maintenance shell
[01:36] <thiebaude> ok androidbruce have a good one, got to get back to making supper before it burns,lol :)
[01:43]  * thiebaude crickets,lol :)
[02:21] <matcouto> that's /quit
[02:24] <SudoWoodo> hello?
[02:33] <Jon--> I'm using testdrive to get the latest ISO for the daily release of Ubuntu 11.04, and I am having trouble running Unity. Is Unity broken, or is it an issue with my VM somehow? Using QEMU.
[02:44] <Jon--> I'm using testdrive to get the latest ISO for the daily release of Ubuntu 11.04, and I am having trouble running Unity. Is Unity broken, or is it an issue with my VM somehow? Using QEMU.
[02:44] <UndiFineD> Jon--, I think that question is more valid at #ubuntu-testing
[02:45] <Jon--> UndiFineD, Alright, thanks
[02:56] <rww> Jon--: Unity doesn't tend to work well with VMs, I hear.
[02:56] <Jon--> rww, fantastic. ;)
[02:58] <ohsix> not the 3d version anyways; unless you use vmware (not because it can only work in vmware, but hwo they do 3d acceleration)
[03:05] <Jon--> ohsix, how can I try the 2D version?
[03:05] <ohsix> Jon--: if it's installed as i understand it, it should work automatically; but you mght also be able to select it from the login screen like any other session
[03:06] <Jon--> ohsix, I cannot.
[03:06] <Jon--> hold on let me look
[03:11] <Jon--> ohsix, How do I log out? Logout isn't an option from the menu D:
[03:11] <ohsix> not sure, i haven't messed with unity in a while; last time i did it was on the user menu in the top right
[03:13] <Jon--> yeah it wasn't in the menu
[03:13] <Jon--> I used gnome-save-session --kill to log off
[03:13] <Jon--> now under the login menu I have the following options for interface:
[03:14] <Jon--> Recovery console, Ubuntu, Ubuntu classic, Ubuntu classic (no effects), Ubuntu (safe mode), User defined session
[03:16] <ohsix> looks like it's not in there
[03:17] <Jon--> negative. D:
[03:18] <ohsix> i'm pretty sure unity 3d (compiz w/unity plugin) is supposed to fall back and spawn unity2d in some way if it fails
[03:19] <trism> I'm not sure it is installed by default, it falls back to ubuntu classic, just sudo apt-get install unity-2d and you should be able to select it on the gdm screen
[03:19] <iszak> So with Ubuntu 11.04 will we have to use unity/will it come by default?
[03:20] <rww> no/yes
[03:20] <iszak> okay, great.
[03:20] <iszak> what will be the default?
[03:20] <iszak> will gnome still came as default?
[03:20] <Jon--> The default is unity AFAIK, but it will have GNOME
[03:21] <iszak> unity just isn't practical for 3 screens tbh
[03:21] <ohsix> trism: ah
[03:21] <iszak> why won't unity be back ported to 10.10?
[03:22] <ohsix> because they dont backport features, just fixes
[03:22] <rww> iszak: too much work for not enough payoff
[03:22] <iszak> I guess so, I wouldn't think it'd need that much of a rewrite to 10.10?
[03:22] <switch10_> ive installed indicator-weather, but I can't seem to get it to run.
[03:22] <iszak> I didn't think Ubuntu changed that much between releases
[03:22] <ohsix> you can use a ppa to play with it on 10.10, but that will probably not stay around very long after 11.04
[03:22] <rww> the people who actually were going to do the rewrite disagree with you.
[03:22] <iszak> ohsix, yeah I did that, very buggy.
[03:22] <ohsix> ubuntu changes a lot between versions, it's the only time it can change
[03:23] <iszak> I thought it was mostly updated versions, bug fixes, some new features, nothing like major changes.
[03:23] <ohsix> and the long short of unity on 10.10 is you need compiz .9 and the unity plugin, and a lot more software; all new features thus not going to land in an old version
[03:23] <iszak> what version of compiz is bundled with 10.10?
[03:24] <iszak> ah 0.8.6
[03:24] <iszak> no doubt it's been updated a few times
[03:24] <ohsix> eh
[03:24] <ohsix> stuff is only updated if it saves a ton of work backporting a fix that is a huge problem
[03:25] <ohsix> and extremely narrow and special circumstance
[03:25] <iszak> so how much better is Compiz 0.9 over 0.8?
[03:25] <ohsix> cuz all the stuff is changed rapidly and tested together before a release; but if something is changed after a release it lacks that same phase
[03:25] <ohsix> in my experience it's not any better, and even worse (crashes)
[03:26] <iszak> :l
[03:26] <iszak> well it is a new minor release, so I guess you've got to expect new bugs.
[03:26] <ohsix> theres a reason people lived with .8 so long, even though upstream was basically dead/couldn't figure out what to do to progress
[03:27] <ohsix> for compiz .8 to .9 is a major release, since there's 0 in the primary release number, and besides that; it's been that way with .6 and stuff as well
[03:27] <iszak> I thought it was a.b.c, where a is major
[03:28] <ohsix> they've thrown a lot of work out and started over by refactoring things several times, every time thinking they'll solve some problem they eventually run into due to poor planning or something
[03:28] <ohsix> theres no rule about version numbers, just what projects generally do
[03:28] <switch10_> how do I run indicator-weather?
[03:28] <nit-wit> switch10_, which one
[03:29] <switch10_> nit-wit: the package is called indicator-weather.
[03:29] <nit-wit> switch10_, is it in the software center
[03:29] <ceed^> switch10_,  you install it and run Weather Indicator from the menu. It should also start automatically if you log out and in again.
[03:31] <switch10_> ceed^: how do I start from a command line.
[03:31] <switch10_> ?
[03:31] <Jon--> QEMU crashed my computer at times
[03:32] <ceed^> switch10_, type the command "indicator-weather"
[03:32] <switch10_> ceed^: Thats what I thought too.  doesnt work
[03:33] <ceed^> switch10_, I install it using the PPA instead. Gives you a newer version. I do not think the one that comes with U works.
[03:34] <switch10_> ceed^: sweet, i'll try that one.  Thanks.
[03:36] <ceed^> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/weather-indicator-team/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[04:06] <majnoon> an news on the wubi troubles ?
[04:06] <majnoon> *any
[04:29] <akavlie> a bunch of updates today, installing now. Anyone see changes for the better?
[04:29] <gunndawg> installing the 11.04 beta now
[04:30] <ceed^> akavlie, updated compiz seems a little less nervous.
[04:31] <akavlie> Unity is updated too apparently, though I'm not using it
[04:31] <akavlie> ceed^, what was the issue w/ compiz?
[04:32] <ceed^> akavlie, crashed on me once or twice daily. since the update it seems to be running calmer.
[04:32] <ceed^> Where did that new scrollbar come from? Is that some new Gnome thing, or?
[04:32]  * gunndawg crosses fingers as 11.04 is being installed and update over 10.10
[04:33] <akavlie> ceed^, what new scrollbar?
[04:33] <akavlie> oh wow, I see it now
[04:33] <akavlie> yeah, I'd seen discussion of that. Didn't think it was going in 11.04.
[04:33] <ceed^> akavlie, on gnome apps the scroll bar on the right is different. it's narrow with this popup arrow thing coming out on the side
[04:34] <akavlie> they've demoed it before, I think it's another Ubuntu-specific thing
[04:34] <ceed^> kinda cool....I think...maybe... :)
[04:35] <akavlie> yeah, first impression: it's a nice little UI innovation.
[04:35] <akavlie> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntus-new-overlay-scrollbars-for-natty/
[04:37] <ceed^> akavlie, oh, so it's buntu-candy.
[04:38] <akavlie> yeah, I guess you could say that
[04:39] <ceed^> I think I like it. I even like Unity so there's no end to the madness over here :)
[04:40] <akavlie> ceed^, will have to give Unity a more thorough try as I just tried it for a bit on a netbook. It seemed like it took away functionality without adequate alternatives in some ways.
[04:40] <gunndawg> 5mins left on install for me
[04:40] <gunndawg> cant wait
[04:40] <ohsix> i like how it saves some space while still showing the scroll position, but waiting for the scrubber to show up when you're using a mouse is a pain in th ebutt
[04:41] <akavlie> I wonder if there's a good introductory doc for Unity
[04:41] <ohsix> kicking the tires and messing with it in ccsm is probably good enough; unless you're going to start developing it :D
[04:42] <akavlie> ccsm?
[04:42] <ceed^> akavlie, Unity is very simple. I've gotten used to it already. I've used Gnome for years, but now I'm like "this works, I'm not really missing the stuff I thought I would be missing".
[04:42] <akavlie> well some things are not immediately obvious. I just read an article on Ars that pointed out how keyboard shortcuts work.
[04:43] <akavlie> win key shows keyboard shortcut overlay; tapping it shows a search view. Didn't know that.
[04:43] <ohsix> akavlie: compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:43] <ohsix> ceed^: i lean on the panel a lot; so anything touching how it basically works is problematic D:
[04:44] <ceed^> ohsix, I didn't use the panel that much. When I first tried unity I missed weather. Found that. Now I only miss a simple system monitor. The one available is too simple.
[04:45] <akavlie> seeing a usability issue w/ the scrollbar now: it's not quick enough becoming visible to grab and scroll.
[04:45] <akavlie> it needs to be lightning fast
[04:45] <ceed^> The only thing I do not like is the "censored" notification area where for instance Skype is allowed while other apps aren't.
[04:45] <akavlie> also a lot of appear/disappear if you overshoot it.
[04:45] <ohsix> ceed^: if i hadn't known about being able to put stuff on the panel i wouldn't miss it, and i suspect people in the future that only know something like unity or gnome shell won't miss them either
[04:46] <ceed^> ohsix, you're probably right. I played around with panel addons a lot, but I didn't really rely on many of them.
[04:47] <ohsix> i use hddtemp, the system monitor one, the inhibit & brightness one; and oen that shows the frequency of the cpu
[04:47] <ceed^> akavlie, the overlay is pretty instant here. Wonder if it's running better on some graphics than others?
[04:48] <akavlie> ceed^, could be. Just had trouble scrolling around in the System Monitor, vs. traditional scroll bars.
[04:48] <ceed^> ohsix, I use notification icons much more than panel apps. Now there's room for a lot of them! :)
[04:48] <akavlie> ohsix, what does ccsm have to do w/ Unity anyway?
[04:48] <akavlie> I didn't even have it installed incidentally. I've found it kinda overwhelming in the past
[04:49] <ceed^> akavlie, Unity is a compiz plugin so some of the settings are done in ccsm
[04:49] <akavlie> ah, ok
[04:50] <ohsix> well they can be messwed with there, yea
[04:50] <ceed^> I've destroyed my desktop many times with ccsm. Hard to find your way back :)
[04:50] <ohsix> ceed^: 5 out of 7 are timely informational panel widgets here D:
[04:51] <ohsix> agh clipboard broke in rdesktop the last day or two
[04:51] <ohsix> but there was no update to the package
[04:51] <ohsix> hm
[04:51] <ceed^> ohsix, do you have two panels, one on top and one on the bottom, or do you have one like on Linux Mint?
[04:51] <ohsix> i have 2
[04:51] <ohsix> no want for space at the moment
[04:52] <ceed^> ohsix, I always work on laptops, so space is always an issue somewhat
[04:52] <ohsix> even on the netbook 48pix is a lot but the information is important; and i can just fullscreen firefox if i want more space, since its almost always web browsing that i care about on that thing
[04:52] <ohsix> i'm on my laptop now, it's 1366x768 and it's fine
[04:53] <ohsix> i used to care about resolution a lot, on windows; but on linux the software is completely different so i don't need raw space like i do on windows
[04:53] <ceed^> ohsix, close to the same resolution. I'll take space over info I think.
[04:53] <akavlie> ohsix, try programming and you'll need raw space
[04:54] <ohsix> akavlie: what do you think i do :[
[04:55] <ohsix> akavlie: more importantly why do you think i needed so much space on windows?
[04:55] <akavlie> you're fine w/ 1366x768 for programming?
[04:55] <ohsix> yes
[04:55] <ohsix> my editor doesn't have a bazillion toolbars wasting actual space, and no windows need to be peers of eachother and visible on the screen at the same time
[04:55] <akavlie> I find it really constraining often times; the external monitor is so much better.
[04:56] <akavlie> I use vim, so I'm with you there. But I like to use splits, and see more lines of code.
[04:56] <ohsix> the command prompt not being cmd helps a lot
[04:57] <ohsix> ceed^: i need to see this information to ensure either maximum battery life or maximum confidence about the data on the harddrive
[04:58] <ohsix> ceed^: which is known to go over 55c occasionally, and long enough to cause information to become unreadable
[04:58] <ohsix> i have a net quota and often bum wifi so seeing the network activity is good
[04:59] <ohsix> the system indicator app has cpu usage, network usage, and disk usage; so i can squish on whatever starts going that isn't ideal for current circumstance
[05:06] <benzaldehyde> i am experiencing core dumps of all web browsers whenever a web page uses java
[05:06] <benzaldehyde> all web browsers expect for firefox
[06:10] <gunndawg> ok got 11.04 up an running
[06:10] <gunndawg> now I need to re learn this stuff
[06:10] <coz_> gunndawg,  it wont take long
[06:11] <ohsix> anyone use rdesktop around? clipboard broke recently somewhere, without an rdesktop package update; i'm trying to confirm and find out where
[06:11] <gunndawg> with unity i almost feel like I can get rid of docky
[06:14] <gunndawg> how can I get to the update manager in 11.04 ?
[06:16] <coz_> gunndawg,  hit either the icon upper left or one of the bottom icons,,, with the menu
[06:17] <urgodfather> hello room, is anyone available?
[06:17] <gunndawg> coz_, ah ok just gotta search for it using the top left ubuntu icon/menu thing
[06:18] <urgodfather> this maybe a simple question but, how do i load generic graphics driver during boot then switch to proprietary after the splash screen
[06:19] <coz_> gunndawg,  also one of the two bottom icons in the launcher , is a right click menu
[06:19] <coz_> let me go on natty hold on
[06:20] <gunndawg> coz_,  thx
[06:20] <coz_> gunndawg,  the one with the + symbol inside what appears to be a maginifying glass
[06:21] <luckysmack> under the add to panel dialog, i have "Indicator applet Appmenu" to add a windows menus to the panel rather than the application. but when trying it the only menu item i get is File -> Close and it removes the menus in the app windows. is this a known but that it only has the File menu with a close item?
[06:23] <coz_> luckysmack,  which application are yo u using ? and you know that natty uses global menu  on Unity  but not on classic gnome?
[06:23] <coz_> yes?
[06:26] <luckysmack> ah ok maybe thats the issue then. last i checked unity was still crashing so its not enabled. So im in normal gnome. I saw that it had the unified menu with unity which why i looked at this. I just saw that the menu works properly with some applications like firefox, nautilus, etc. and not others. but some it still removes the menu but doesnt transfer to the applet
[06:26] <coz_> mmm
[06:26] <coz_> luckysmack,  it seems to be working properly here but   I really havent tested it today at all
[06:27] <luckysmack> im in classic gnome i mean. thats what i meant. i was thinking it still would work since it was in the applet menu. if it doesnt, i suppose its no big deal. was just poking around.
[06:27] <coz_> luckysmack,  ah no  I dont think so
[06:27] <gunndawg> can the unity panel be moved to say the right side of the screen instead of its default, left ?
[06:27] <coz_> gunndawg,  you mean the Launcher ,, no I dont think so
[06:28] <gunndawg> oh ok, that is to bad
[06:28] <urgodfather> is there a reason why no one will answer me?
[06:28] <luckysmack> yea it works in some thing. but like im in xchat now. and the menu bar is in the xchat window and the panel just has the file -> close. but like in Audacious, i have no menu anywhere
[06:28] <coz_> urgodfather,    I didnt see your post  would you mind repeating it?
[06:28] <urgodfather> sure
[06:28] <gunndawg> having that launcher panel on the right side would really clean up the screen I think
[06:28] <bazhang> urgodfather, this is in 11.04?
[06:29] <urgodfather> is it possible to boot using generic graphics driver until post splash screen then switch to proprietary graphics driver
[06:29] <luckysmack> gunndawg: i like it on the left, but i agree it should be movable. but i cant complain.
[06:29] <urgodfather> if so, how?
[06:30] <bazhang> urgodfather, what version are you on
[06:30] <gunndawg> luckysmack, just seems like it would be cleaner to have ur desktop icons spaced a bit more from the launcher
[06:30] <bazhang> you are crossposting here and in #ubuntu
[06:30] <urgodfather> not sure, im a b00n... how do i find out
[06:30] <urgodfather> lol
[06:30] <urgodfather> friend put it on here for me
[06:30] <luckysmack> gunndawg: ah yea
[06:30] <bazhang> lsb_release -a in the terminal
[06:32] <urgodfather> no, im sorry
[06:32] <urgodfather> 10.10
[06:33] <bazhang> urgodfather, then #ubuntu for your questions in future; switching drivers while booting is not possible
[06:33] <urgodfather> bazhang, i asked several times in #ubuntu, even helped another, and remained unacknowledged
[06:34] <bazhang> urgodfather, well that happens; this is only for the unreleased version, and now you have your answer
[06:34] <urgodfather> thank you for your response and patience
[06:34] <bazhang> welcome
[06:35] <urgodfather> well, can i stay in here anyways? im a fast learner and since thats newer, ill probably upgrade to pretty soon
[06:36] <bazhang> of course; for support, of course ask in #ubuntu , but many people idle here and elsewhere (some up to 120 channels)
[06:37] <urgodfather> holy sheep shnits!!! 120??
[06:37] <urgodfather> lol
[06:37] <urgodfather> natty is the version that has the unity tied in, right?
[06:38] <bazhang> you can choose gnome-classic as well if you wish
[06:38] <luckysmack> im consistently in 10 channels. usually 8 at home, and 8 at work. each home and work has a couple different channels.
[06:38] <gunndawg> what exactly is "unity" as it relates to ubuntu ?
[06:38] <urgodfather> ever heard of stardock for windows?
[06:38] <urgodfather> same concept
[06:38] <urgodfather> from what i know
[06:38] <htorque> anyone here using up-to-date natty with unity 3.8.4 and a filled launcher?
[06:39] <urgodfather> i usually just idle the ppc channels
[06:39] <luckysmack> yea unity is essentiall an application launcher. i think thats the best way to describe it. it has a few other featues to round it out. but yea
[06:40] <urgodfather> what other features? or do i have to wait til apr. 28th?
[06:40] <htorque> luckysmack: unity is more of a desktop environment, the launcher to start applications is just one bit of it
[06:40] <benzaldehyde> is anyone else experiencing funky problems with java
[06:40] <gunndawg> can I pretty much get rid of Docky now with this default launcher ?
[06:41] <luckysmack> i just updated today about 350+ MB's of updates. Has there been any change in the stability of unity? last i tried it kept crashing and i was losing my windows (compiz was crashing). so i stayed in classic gnome. im using a radeon HD gfx card
[06:41] <htorque> gunndawg, that's something only you can decide ;)
[06:41] <luckysmack> htorque: ah ok. thanks.
[06:41] <gunndawg> htorque, well yes ultimately it is my decision. I guess I just wanna get the general responses ;)
[06:42] <luckysmack> yea i hadnt had much of a chance to play with unity much before it would crash.
[06:43] <luckysmack> from what i know of docky, its an application launcher and unity yea has the same/similar thing. the launcher. but i think they will behave a bit differently. so youll just have to try them.
[06:44] <gunndawg> yeah
[06:44] <urgodfather> benzaldehyde, off topic question..... you a chemistry person?
[06:49] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: by choice, yes
[06:49] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: autodidactician
[06:49] <urgodfather> word, know any biochem too?
[06:50] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: why?
[06:50] <urgodfather> i asked b/c when i saw your name, i caught myself picturing the molecule in my brain
[06:51] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: i suppose i should have chosen a macromolecule
[06:52] <urgodfather> well, if you do... maybe i can pick your brain sometime if i get stumped on school work
[06:52] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: there is a #chemistry channel on freenode, the room is filled with phd, post-doc guys, you name it
[06:54] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: some of the autistics hang out there, be careful, they are kind of freaky
[06:54] <urgodfather> i'd almost feel like id insult them by asking something as simple as the enzyme for the 3rd step in glycolysis
[06:55] <urgodfather> i know the answer but, u know what i mean
[06:55] <urgodfather> ?
[06:55] <benzaldehyde> adp atp stuff
[06:55] <benzaldehyde> i dunno
[06:57] <benzaldehyde> nhd+ and all that, glycolysis is pretty heavy, you can find a good explaination of it on youtube under the guise of the khan academy
[06:58] <benzaldehyde> when you say enzyme all i think of is the hydrolsis of sugar and invertase
[06:58] <urgodfather> well, its a kinase... forgot the exact name but, u know where im coming from? its like joining this room and asking how to install winblows
[06:58] <frybye> hi, I asked this in #joomla but there seems to be no one active there:- Hi - am trying to install joomla16 on a lampp setup with ubuntu natty, at stage "Connection to Databank" I get " Unable to connect to the Database: Could not connect to MySQL." any tips?
[07:00] <benzaldehyde> right, some type of ase or another
[07:00] <bjgr> Hi. Does anybody know of an alternative battery indicator for Natty/Unity. Something that is not Gnome Power Manager?
[07:00] <bjgr> Doesn't have to do power management, just show battery charge.
[07:01] <benzaldehyde> sacharromyces cerevisiae produces enzymes that break sugar bonds as well
[07:01] <urgodfather> bjgr, i remember seeing something about an advanced power manager... dunno if it works with natty or not
[07:04] <urgodfather> c6h5cho, true lol
[07:04] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: i actually could help you with installing windows, so
[07:04] <urgodfather> i think i could handle that :D
[07:05] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: yeah windows is pretty straight forward though for what people pay for it it ought to be
[07:08] <bjgr> urgodfather, hm... google gives nothing, except battery-status, but that has the same problem as the GPM applet.
[07:08] <bjgr> So far I'm stuck with peridocally checking ACPI to se charge...
[07:09] <urgodfather> hangs on estimating?
[07:09] <bjgr> No... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/455786
[07:10] <bjgr> Basically GPM always write fully charged when AC is disconnected.
[07:10] <urgodfather> hey benz, theres a guy in #xda-devs trying to install win7 from iso w/o a disc, usb, etc.
[07:10] <akavlie> OK, giving Unity a serious shot now.
[07:10] <bjgr> xfce4-power-manager, gkrellm, and the KDE power manager gets it right...
[07:10] <akavlie> first question: how to switch the primary monitor (for the left sidebar and such)
[07:11] <bjgr> So far I just used the PM from xfce4, but that doesn't work with the notification area in Unity.
[07:11] <urgodfather> if u wanna help install windows at the moment
[07:11] <urgodfather> only mentioned it b/c we just talked about it
[07:17] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: sounds daunting i think i will pass
[07:17] <urgodfather> lol, dont blame ya
[07:17] <urgodfather> im trying to avoid it myself
[07:18] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: to tell you the truth i am using natty on ps3 because my laptop, win7, i sprayed the thing with windex and the board and touchpad took a dump right after. needed a good workstation so i have natty on ps3 ;_
[07:19] <urgodfather> no way!!!
[07:19] <urgodfather> did not know thats possible
[07:19] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: some people are die hard linux or windows fans, i don't play politics, i just need to get online, read some wikis and pdf and junk
[07:19] <urgodfather> i mean, if u said xbox1, i would not be surprised but ps3?
[07:20] <urgodfather> me too
[07:20] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: i don't even use it
[07:20] <urgodfather> until now?
[07:20] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: for what its intended purpose is
[07:20] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: i dust it every now and then
[07:21] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: up until now, yeah
[07:21] <urgodfather> benzaldehyde, you mean the ps3 or linux?
[07:21] <benzaldehyde> both i suppose
[07:21] <benzaldehyde> urgodfather: i was studying phenylacetylcarbinol and then the laptop took a dump on me
[07:22] <luckysmack> bless you
[07:23] <luckysmack> yea ps3 runs on linux. i dont remember what the default distro is. but since the beginning you were able to do basic stuff on it. after he got it a friend installed ubuntu on it and had that and ps3.
[07:23] <urgodfather> what were you studying about it?
[07:24] <benzaldehyde> syntheses
[07:24] <benzaldehyde> i like organic chem
[07:24] <urgodfather> i know
[07:24] <playingnatty> anyone got unity working with ati gfx?
[07:24] <urgodfather> oops, i thought u said it's
[07:24] <urgodfather> not i
[07:24] <urgodfather> lol
[07:25] <urgodfather> not i
[07:25] <playingnatty> heard 11.04 might default to classic for now. might be wise given unity
[07:25] <playingnatty> 's current condition
[07:26] <urgodfather> playingnatty, r u serious?
[07:26] <ohsix> heh
[07:26] <ohsix> "heard"
[07:27] <ohsix> in your head; to be provacative since you don't like it or have an opinion on it not informed by experience
[07:27] <playingnatty> thats whats being said on blogs, but blogs say a lot of false things
[07:27] <ohsix> oh blogs then
[07:27] <playingnatty> win/osx/linux (any distro) is ok with me
[07:27] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: from the other room welcome
[07:27] <ohsix> you can pick a blog to say whatever you like, since theres all stripes; kind of like quoting the bible
[07:28] <playingnatty> even if unity is broken, its a step forward for a modern interface
[07:28] <ohsix> is it broken?
[07:28] <akavlie> anyone running Unity on a multi-monitor setup?
[07:28] <akavlie> or laptop + external?
[07:28] <ohsix> not yet
[07:29] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: matthew 27:53
[07:29] <ohsix> (i mean, i haven't)
[07:29] <playingnatty> change broken to "its got a few quirks"
[07:29] <ohsix> playingnatty: are you reporting bugs as you find them?
[07:29] <playingnatty> but i digress
[07:29] <violets> playingnatty: As far as I am aware, nobody reliable has said that Classic will be default.
[07:29] <playingnatty> yes, im using 11.04 atm
[07:31] <ohsix> depends on what you call default though, on some classes of hardware there will definitely not be the fancy 3d fun stuff; so if you own one of those the defacto default isn't unity
[07:31] <violets> and considering that UI freeze was last month...
[07:31] <ohsix> good point
[07:31] <playingnatty> indeed
[07:33] <ohsix> reporting bugs is really annoying, after 2 or 3 i'm just angry that there are more i should probably report, then i'm just angry cuz i'm dogfooding it and can't practically use my laptop any other way at the moment :D
[07:34] <playingnatty> i have to setup a triple boot tonight. win7/ubuntu10.10/ubuntu11.04
[07:34] <playingnatty> just mad at ati for their lack of linux support, as always
[07:35] <ohsix> they do alright
[07:35] <playingnatty> they could do better
[07:35] <ohsix> they could also just have a binary driver like nvidia, i'm not sure that's preferable
[07:35] <ohsix> since the nvidia driver will never support newer versions of xrandr and a lot of other things
[07:36] <ohsix> or drm, so plymouth and stuff wont work
[07:38] <urgodfather> ohsix, what is this about nvidia?
[07:39] <urgodfather> im a b00n so please inform me b/c this pc has nvidia on it
[07:39] <ohsix> urgodfather: nothing
[07:39] <ohsix> urgodfather: the nvidia driver works but it doesn't support modern changes to the graphics stack
[07:40] <urgodfather> and, what do you mean by modern changes to graphics stack?
[07:40] <ohsix> xrandr and drm, but there are others
[07:40] <urgodfather> yeah i tried it out, didnt care for it other than it allowing visual effects
[07:40] <akavlie> well, right out of the gate I'm seeing a show stopper for Unity on this setup. Not friendly to dual-monitor setups.
[07:42] <ohsix> akavlie: not much is, even for 2d only
[07:42] <ohsix> akavlie: it's a hard problem that pressure from something like unity will make useful changes, but people have been working on the problem for a long time
[07:42] <akavlie> ohsix, Ubuntu Classic is much better about it, you can move panels around.
[07:43] <ohsix> well that's something else, and not what i was talking about
[07:43] <ohsix> i assumed a technical problem, my bad
[07:43] <akavlie> having said that, there are some complicated usability issues. Even if I could move the icon bar to the right screen, it still wouldn't be ideal as it wouldn't work w/ fitt's law.
[07:44] <akavlie> I'd be overshooting it all the time to the left screen.
[07:44] <ohsix> hur
[07:44] <ohsix> fitt's law
[07:44] <akavlie> ohsix, nah, not a technical issue in this case (though there are a couple of those)
[07:44] <ohsix> not to be ignored, but also not to be quoted as justification
[07:45] <playingnatty> win7 style window snaps make me happy enough with classic for now
[07:45] <akavlie> ohsix, it's very applicable here; any screen-edge toolbar/launcher is bad when you can overshoot it to another screen.
[07:45] <ohsix> akavlie: but it is not a solution
[07:45] <akavlie> what isn't?
[07:46] <ohsix> as far as i can tell you've identified what you think is a usability problem but left the other half of the work about figuring out how to solve it
[07:46] <ohsix> some dead ends are just annoyances you have to live with until you find a better way to do things, local minima
[07:47] <akavlie> not sure if you're following my train of thought...
[07:48] <akavlie> first of all, there's just a config limitation: icon bar either only goes to primary monitor, or only to the leftmost monitor (not sure which).
[07:48] <ohsix> the first in the output of xrandr, #1 winnar monitor
[07:49] <ohsix> putting toolbars and stuff on all the windows in a meaningful way that isn't 100% manual is tough, most people add monitors for extra desktop area, and that's what they get
[07:49] <akavlie> that ought to be configurable. But also, you ought to be able to put it on the right side.
[07:49] <akavlie> but if you can do that, it would conflict with the status icons on the right.
[07:49] <ohsix> you can still run panel and put extra ones on other displays
[07:49] <ohsix> if you want it on the right side make that the first monitor
[07:50] <ohsix> the server layout is adjustable
[07:50] <akavlie> don't know what you mean by "run panel" or "server layout"
[07:51] <ohsix> they are ways i'd personally use to rectify the shortcomings you're talking about
[07:52] <ohsix> look in the display applet how it lets you move them, that's the layout, the server is X, its the most concise way i could have said it but probably too technical
[07:53] <ohsix> theres also an xorg.conf ServerLayout block which can do the same thing statically; that's where i borrowed it from
[07:53] <akavlie> ohsix, I have them laid out the same in the display applet as they are physically on my desk.
[07:54] <ohsix> panel is the thing at the top and bottom of a classic session you can also run with unity, or in any desktop session
[07:54] <ohsix> akavlie: then put the primary on the monitor you want the toolbars on
[07:55] <ohsix> xrandr/x has a linear list of outputs that it will number sequentially if they're on
[07:55] <akavlie> if you mean to just change the primary monitor setting, well... Linux seems to have no way to do that in the GUI. I've looked up ways to do it in the config file, but it never works.
[07:56] <ohsix> if all else fails switch the connector, the order will stay the same
[07:56] <akavlie> In Windows or Mac OS X I can say "make this my primary monitor". It just works.
[07:56] <ohsix> if you wanna see the output list, look at the output of xrandr
[07:57] <ohsix> in linux you can put it on one connector and it'll stay that way, it's a tradeoff
[07:57] <akavlie> ohsix, btw in case i wasn't clear this is laptop display (primary) and desktop display, not dual desktop monitors.
[07:57] <ohsix> then you won't be able to change the order
[07:57] <akavlie> yeah, that sucks
[07:58] <ohsix> heh
[07:58] <ohsix> what sucks more, the bars moving to another display when you hotplug the monitor? that makes less sense
[07:58] <akavlie> actually they already do that in Ubuntu Classic, which is nice.
[07:59] <ohsix> only to the exclusion of the primary display, it switches them
[07:59] <ohsix> or mirrors them when they can
[07:59] <ohsix> so it's still principle of least surprise
[07:59] <tarsh>  is natty stable enough or should i go with 10.10?
[07:59] <akavlie> Gnome toolbars switch to my external monitor when it's plugged in, and back to my laptop display when my monitor is unplugged.
[08:00] <ohsix> shrug, doesn't do that here
[08:00] <ohsix> tarsh: natty isn't stable yet; but it's probably ok to run it by now, it also wont hurt much to upgrade 10.10 later
[08:02] <tarsh> ohsix:  i have 500 gb windows partiton and 500 gigs unallocated space.  if i boot 11.04 usb unetbootin install how should i install? manually?
[08:04] <playingnatty> tarsh: so to clarify, your harddrive is 1tb (1000gigs) right?
[08:04] <ohsix> eh
[08:04] <tarsh> playingnatty:yes
[08:04] <ohsix> just install it, i wouldn't use all 500gb, i'd use 20gb, you can grow it later; and use the ntfs partition for common storage
[08:05] <playingnatty> ya i default to 20gig partitions for linux, 40gig for windows, rest as free space for data
[08:05] <ohsix> you might have some trouble with the bootloader installing it so far back on the drive (but probably not)
[08:05] <tarsh> why not just use all of it?
[08:06] <playingnatty> also, tarsh be forewarned that depending on what type of filesystem you give ubuntu, windows many not be able to see it
[08:06] <playingnatty> this is why many people store data on a 3rd partition if they dual boot
[08:06] <ohsix> tarsh: because you don't know if you'll ever need it yet, and it's easier to grow than to shrink
[08:07] <ohsix> tarsh: and if you keep your shared data on ntfs you don't have to worry about not having access to files in either OS, the larger one side is that you can't access the more prevalent the problem
[08:07] <tarsh> hm so do manual instal set a 30 gb folder for ubuntu. what do i put for its mount point? /?
[08:07] <tarsh> and then the rest as a ntfs empty partiton?
[08:07] <ohsix> no, hurf
[08:09] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: java crashes my browsers except for firefox which opens a .js as a text document rather than runs it, any suggestions?
[08:09] <playingnatty> 30gig is plenty of space for a starter ubuntu install
[08:09] <playingnatty> ubuntu itself takes about 3gigs? (correct me if I'm wrong)
[08:10] <tarsh> and then for say torrents i would set the download folder as the ntfs folder of free space?
[08:10] <arand> 4-5
[08:10] <playingnatty> ty @ arand
[08:10] <playingnatty> yes @ tarsh
[08:10] <ohsix> tarsh: the point was you already had allocated a windows partition, don't create another one just for storage
[08:11] <playingnatty> remember most apps in ubuntu will default to save to the ubuntu home folder. you can change the location
[08:11] <playingnatty> certainly change your web browser to use a folder like "downloads" on your ntfs partition
[08:11] <arand> 10 works for /, 20 tends to be good for the long term, home as per reqired storage of downloads, music etc.
[08:12] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: sorry, ignore the thing about .js that was a add-on specific thing still java crashes everything except for firefox
[08:12] <ohsix> i use the default configurations then let my disk fill up; it keeps me on top of sorting through garbage i acquire
[08:12] <urgodfather> playingnatty, i thought is was 2gb
[08:13] <playingnatty> heard 2 , 3 , and 4-5 gigs so far
[08:13] <ohsix> depends on which one you install
[08:13] <playingnatty> but considering we are all going to do updates, can we be safe and say 5gig is fair?
[08:13] <ohsix> hm speaking of size, it'd be cool if there was a tool that checked all deps for size
[08:14] <playingnatty> id like that @ ohsix
[08:14] <ohsix> it probably exists already, just don't know the name
[08:15] <ohsix> but invoking thistool ubuntu-desktop would answer your question
[08:15] <arand> ohsix: How do you mean?
[08:15] <ohsix> at least for the stuff that isn't transient, packages would grow a little as they're updated, and you'd need more space for logging and the pachage archive
[08:16] <ohsix> arand: a tool that would calculate all teh dependency sizes from the installed stuff would let you check ubuntu-desktop and see how large it really is
[08:16] <arand> ohsix: Well, if you do install something, apt does that...
[08:17] <ohsix> arand: yea but after the fact ... oh i think what you're saying
[08:17] <arand> Hmm, yea, after the fact it's not a simple way I think.
[08:18] <ohsix> you can tell apt to assume nothing is installed when it does it
[08:18] <ohsix> have to find out exactly how again, though
[08:24] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: i think i have identified the source of my java problems
[08:26] <benzaldehyde> IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.1pre (1.1~20110406-0ubuntu1))
[08:27] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: i am going to rm it and see
[08:27] <ohsix> .
[08:32] <hungry> so i just installed natty alongside win 7 via usb.  When i select ubuntu at boot up it tells me windows failed to load and to use my win disc to repair..
[08:33] <ohsix> arand: i got a present for you: apt-get install -o Dir::State::status="/dev/null" ubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <arand> ohsix: Nice one
[08:33] <ohsix> arand: basically tells dpkg to use a state file that's empty, so it acts like nothing is installed
[08:34] <ohsix> huhu, you can pass multiple packages and it'll resolve their common deps just in the way it works
[08:34] <hungry> this is tarsh btw lul
[08:35] <benzaldehyde> ohsix: no, stil crashing
[08:36] <playingnatty> tarsh, what screen do you get that error?
[08:36] <playingnatty> herr... hungry i mean
[08:37] <hungry> when i boot grub loads and asks do i want to boot windows 7 or ubuntu
[08:37] <hungry> i hit ubuntu and then next screen it gives me that error
[08:37] <benzaldehyde> the browser closes and this is all the terminal says Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:39] <hungry> wut i do?
[08:40] <ohsix> playingnatty: btw, the result: After this operation, 1,991 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:40] <ohsix> that's for "ubuntu-desktop" and all the packages it brings in
[08:41] <ohsix> kubuntu is 1.7g
[08:41] <ohsix> edubuntu is 4gigs
[08:41] <ohsix> hm
[08:41] <ohsix> xubuntu is 1.7g too
[08:42] <ohsix> lubuntu is 1.35
[08:42] <ohsix> and that's all the names i can recall
[08:42] <hungry> so no one knows why im getting this error?
[08:43] <benzaldehyde> hungry: which os did you install first
[08:43] <hungry> windows
[08:44] <hungry> windows will boot fine.  but if i pick ubuntu it tells me windows failed to start
[08:44] <ohsix> playingnatty, arand: all those numbers i posted are on an up to date natty install
[08:44] <benzaldehyde> hungry: it has been a while since i dual booted a linux and windows system but i think i recall something about doing windows last always seemed to work out better the long run and then just let windows startup and recovery handle the booting
[08:45] <benzaldehyde> hungry: but don't quote me on that
[08:46] <benzaldehyde> something about the mbr
[08:46] <hungry> if i use windows disc and run bootrec /fixmbr will that fix the issue?
[08:47] <benzaldehyde> hungry: it's worth a shit
[08:47] <benzaldehyde> *shot
[08:47] <ohsix> that will wipe out grub
[08:47] <hungry> then what should i do?
[08:48] <ohsix> shrug, the process for repairing grub is the same; i dont know of a url to a tutorial or anything, i just know how to do it D:
[08:48] <hungry> how would i do it?  can i use the 9.10 ubuntu disc?
[08:48] <hungry> even though i have 11.04 installed
[08:51] <benzaldehyde> does anyone know the name of the current java package
[08:52] <benzaldehyde> for apt-get
[08:55] <benzaldehyde> looks to be sun-javadb but then there are 9 different packages. grr
[08:57] <ohsix> default-jre
[09:00] <benzaldehyde> thanks
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> arand: ping... good morning
[09:06] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Hey there
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> arand: /me is back at office :-)
[09:09] <arand> LetoThe2nd: So the grub.cfgyou poseted before, are you sure you are able to boot with that?
[09:09] <playingnatty> stroll bars in natty are so cute.. and wonky :-)
[09:13] <hungry> so anyone know why it tells me windows failed to load when i try to load ubuntu on a dual boot?
[09:13] <LetoThe2nd> arand: yesterday, yes... now, after update-grub again, from unconnected reasons unity crashed and it doesn't boot again. hm.
[09:14] <arand> LetoThe2nd: If you look at the grub commands for your entr, does it contain a rootflags=subvol=@ option.
[09:15] <arand> s/\./\?/
[09:18] <LetoThe2nd> arand: this is the recent one: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/367714/
[09:19] <LetoThe2nd> it at least seems to bear a meaningful uuid parameter
[09:19] <arand> I'm assuming that one doesn't boot?
[09:19] <LetoThe2nd> arand: correct, it doesn't boot
[09:20] <playingnatty> ubuntu tweak like app for 11.04 available yet? thanks.
[09:20] <LetoThe2nd> (with 'boot' in the meaning of "doesn't reach desktop". from a kernel POV, it boots fine.)
[09:21] <arand> LetoThe2nd: add rootflags=subvol=@ between "ro   quiet"   and try it that way?
[09:25] <LetoThe2nd> arand: then it hits initramfs
[09:27] <arand> Hmm, that is odd.. In my case that was what avoided initramfs..
[09:27] <benzaldehyde> reminds me i need to do something with initramfs i'm getting two crypt failures
[09:28] <arand> ...Well rather, made it make it past initramfs, but yea..
[09:29] <benzaldehyde> can bin files be mounted?
[09:29] <LetoThe2nd> yes, now again i tried with the unmodified one: plymouth showed up, did a fsck of my boot partition, and then gets stuck in a black screen
[09:29] <LetoThe2nd> at least sysrq is still functional
[09:30] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Right, so then it may be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/716736
[09:30] <arand> LetoThe2nd: [C] or [I] wans not working to skip the fsck there?
[09:31] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Do you have a LiveCD or so available?
[09:31] <LetoThe2nd> arand: not sure if it even tries to fsck the btrfs. i'm about to check if the fsck.btrfs link has been recreated. but the whole try-boot-roundtrip takes some time on this box.
[09:33] <arand> LetoThe2nd: What would be intereseting to check also would be if you mount your btrfs to say, /mnt, what shows up?
[09:33] <LetoThe2nd> mompl
[09:33] <arand> ..from liveCD or similar
[09:57] <LetoThe2nd> arand: sorry, office chores
[09:57] <LetoThe2nd> arand: the fs seems to work absolutely fine, then.
[09:58] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Does it mount with /mnt/@/(stuff)   or with /mnt/(stuff)  ?
[09:58] <LetoThe2nd> arand: erm, what?
[09:59] <arand> ls /mnt/    what do you see?
[09:59] <LetoThe2nd> arand: the contents, just like usual
[09:59] <arand> As in if you'd just "ls /"  on any other system?
[10:01] <LetoThe2nd> arand: yep, an ordinary boring "/".
[10:02] <arand> Right, then your btrfs is setup with the "/" subvolume as the default subvolume rather than the top-level volume, as is the default on ubuntu...
[10:02] <arand> How does your fstab look?
[10:02] <arand> I'm guess that this one still has subvol= options which will mess with things in this case...
[10:03] <arand> ...And if you use home you'd probably need to specify that by id ...
[10:04] <LetoThe2nd> arand: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/367728/
[10:05] <arand> Oh, hmm, that should, work...
[10:06] <arand> It's a bit odd, since that is not the standard setup for btrfs on ubuntu though.
[10:08] <arand> LetoThe2nd: What does "sudo btrfs sub list /" give?
[10:10] <arand> Hmm, or rather "sudo btrfs sub list /mnt"
[10:10] <LetoThe2nd> arand: it gives exactly nothing :-(
[10:11] <arand> Ok... So then your top-level is actually your / ...
[10:12] <arand> ..I would guess..
[10:13] <LetoThe2nd> hmh
[10:16] <LetoThe2nd> arand: well, never mind. i think i'm gonna kill the install today's afternoon, need something relaxing todo anyway
[10:16] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Right, is it like an old install, or was it converted from ext4 or so?
[10:17] <LetoThe2nd> arand: not sure, i admit. i think it was a maverick install, but it's very much possible i broke some parts when toying around
[10:19] <arand> Well the default on ubuntu is that the top of the btrfs contains your subvolumes "@" and "@home" which gets mounted using the subvol= option
[10:20] <arand> @ corresponds to /
[10:21] <arand> In your case it may be the other parts in the boot process gets a bit confused since this is not your case
[10:23] <LetoThe2nd> arand: it's noted... will dive into it again then in the afternoon, when reinstalling. good way to chill a bit :-)
[10:24] <arand> LetoThe2nd: Indeed
[10:25] <LetoThe2nd> so seeya later
[10:26] <rooks-live> how to enable wobbly windows in live beta? :P
[10:27] <arand> LetoThe2nd: See ya
[10:31] <rooks-live> is there some official howto video that shows the real day to day operation on that new window manager?
[10:31] <playingnatty> rooks-live: system -> preferences -> compizconfig settings manger -> stroll down to "effects"  -> check wobby windows
[10:31] <rooks-live> where is system in unity? :D
[10:32] <playingnatty> yes, that's the location in 11.04
[10:33] <playingnatty> for the option
[10:33] <rooks-live> ok,,,
[10:33] <rooks-live> but where is the system hidden in unity, how to get that menu online?
[10:34] <rooks-live> what and where to click/press to have that menu?
[10:40] <rooks-live> dont mean to disrespect you guys, since youre doing awesome job, but im thinking on using ubuntu in my workplace on normal, nondev users, and that new interface will not pass the muster with them since i have problems navigating it myself (msc softw eng). i think what you need is some few case-study offices full of people doing their work, and test new usabilty on them first before all gungho deployment, since userfriendliness of that new inte
[10:40] <rooks-live> rface is lacking quite a lot of polish
[10:41] <rooks-live> ie easy change between opened maximized applications with mouse
[10:42] <rooks-live> (on small screens, where i need to mousewheel down to whatever app, since when i just move cursor down it wont scroll)
[10:44] <arand> Isn't the system config invoked via the user/logout/shutdown menu in Unity?
[10:45] <rooks-live> oh, it is, kinda strange place for it
[10:47] <arand> Yea, the shutdown icon metaphor doesn't really fit very well with it..
[10:49] <rooks-live> if you guys are serious with pushing it how it is be prepared for quite a bit of dissatisfaction
[10:51] <Barami> Hello :)
[10:51] <arand> rooks-live: Change always does that, I don't like it myself as a DE, but at the same time I don't see any reason not to push it now.
[10:52] <Barami> What is startup manager in unity?
[10:52] <Barami> Like gnome-session.
[10:52] <Barami> In 11.04, tomboy is not running after login automatically.
[10:53] <Barami> So i want to add tomboy entry. but i can't find session manager or startup manager.
[10:55] <rooks-live> arand, @ what Barami said :) 11.04 looks awesome but i think it needs a bit of polish and sitthrough with nontechie users to see if they will find it easy to navigate
[10:56] <rooks-live> thanks for info anyway, gonna try the netbook version next :)
[10:57] <arand> rooks-live: Do report usability bugs, though, best wat to get things improved, at least for next release cycle.
[10:57] <arand> *way
[10:58] <arand> Barami: Should be available from the system config in the shutdown menu
[10:58] <rooks-live> k, will do
[10:59]  * arand agrees that that actually seems a very bad place to put system settings
[11:00] <Barami> arand, Thank for tips.
[11:00] <Barami> Now i am goint to test starting tomboy.
[11:02] <Barami> It works. :)
[11:19] <rwhittle> how is natty in its progession today ?
[11:30] <coz_>  hey all
[11:32] <Barami> Hmm....
[11:43] <Barami> Can't unity place a icon that is open the folder?
[11:45] <Barami> Hm...
[11:46] <Barami> unity-place-folder has a bug. ~_~
[11:46] <made2shred> I tried updating from 10.10 to 11.04 and the updater crashed, i rebotted and now the system is stuffed. how can i fix this?
[11:46] <Barami> i entered .minecraft folder. but it open a .minecraft.1.2 folder
[11:47] <Barami> i hava several folders( .minecraft, .minecraft.1.3, .minecraft.1.2 or etc..)
[11:47] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: Is it the launcher (Lenses) you are talking about?
[11:48] <Barami> Yes.
[11:48] <yofel> made2shred: get a wired connection if possible, press ctrl+alt+f2, log in, run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', 'sudo apt-get -f install', 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and then 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[11:48] <Barami> After file and folder icon, it shows prefered folders.
[11:48] <Barami> and i clicked .minecraft.
[11:48] <Barami> But it opened .minecraft.1.2
[11:49] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: well, it searches, so if what it finds "first" is the minecraft.1.2 folder, that will get opened upon return. You can use the arrow-keys to choose which "found" item should be selected
[11:49] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: oh, you clicked on it?
[11:49] <Barami> yes
[11:49] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: i see.
[11:49] <Barami> It print only ".minecraft"
[11:50] <Barami> But it opened .minecraft.1.2
[11:50] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: maybe you should file a bug
[11:50] <Barami> ..?
[11:51] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: file a bug on launchpad against Unity, so someone who works on that particular part of ubuntu, can look at it and if is in fact a bug, fix it
[11:54] <made2shred> yofel: this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/JpC6W6BB
[11:55] <yofel> made2shred: seems it wasn't installed completely, try to 'dpkg --purge samba4' and then try again
[11:56] <Saamm> nyone know how to make ubuntu indicator? i have got an idea for one useful indicator
[11:57] <Barami> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JZZ-bbyVvY - IT's recorded by phone.
[11:59] <playingnatty> anyone got Unity 11.04 working with ATI gfx?
[11:59] <ChrisBuchholz> Barami: it wont get you any help posting it here. You should file a bug about it
[12:00] <Barami> I know. :)
[12:27] <GOMI> what could the problem be , if it always keeps logging me off , and shuts all programs i was working on ??
[12:28] <bazhang> GOMI, what version of ubuntu
[12:28] <GOMI> 10.10
[12:28] <bazhang> GOMI, you are crossposting in the development release channel
[12:28] <bazhang> #ubuntu is the place not here
[12:29] <GOMI> oke
[12:33] <vooze> When does stable come out?
[12:33] <vooze> i'm new to ubuntu, so i dont know when it usually comes
[12:33] <arand> !schedule
[12:34] <arand> 28th
[12:34] <vooze> okay, thanks :)
[12:47] <themp> Hey all, I just installed the Natty beta, and so far it looks great. However, when running it, my computer is humming EXTREMELY loud compared to Windows 7. In Windows 7, it's not quiet, but it also isn't as loud as this. Here, it starts off slow and then the noisy gradually gets louder and louder until it's a high, grinding noise like an insane CD-ROM drive - only the noisy isn't coming from the CD-ROM drive, it seems to be coming fro
[12:47] <themp> m somewhere inside the computer
[12:47] <themp> Gnome-monitor shows that the CPU (quad core) is not being used, so I doubt it's overheating on that part
[12:48] <themp> Apart from the quad core CPU, I've got an ATI Radeon graphics card and a SATA harddisk in there - but what's bugging me is why this only happens when I run Ubuntu, and not Windows 7??
[12:48] <themp> It's most annoying
[12:50] <yofel> I'm only guessing, but if the ati card has a fan it could be that the power management isn't working and it's running the gpu fan at full speed
[12:50] <yofel> the fan of my nvidia card in my desktop is equally annoying, but that's the same in kubuntu and win7
[12:52] <themp> yofel, that actually sounds plausible. I just took a quick peek in there and while I can't make out (or remember) if the ATI card has a fan, it sure is making A LOT of noise
[12:52] <themp> Also, I haven't installed the proprietary drivers yet. Maybe they can solve the problem?
[12:53] <themp> btw, is there any Linux program usable for monitoring fan speeds and stuff like that?
[12:53] <themp> You know, that S.M.A.R.T. stuff
[12:54] <yofel> lm-sensors can do some of that, smartmontools can read SMART data
[12:54] <yofel> and fglrx might help, but I have no idea if it works currently
[12:58] <themp> I'll try that, thanks
[12:59] <themp> By the way, I have noticed the same loud behaviour when playing Dragon Age II on Windows 7. I don't know if the two issues are related, but it seems weird
[12:59] <themp> I hope it's just power management being off
[13:00] <frankwe> themp: you should search for bugs on launchpad, it seems like it's related to the graphics card
[13:00] <themp> frankwe, will do. THanks
[13:01] <themp> Rebooting now to see if the proprietary drivers will solve it
[13:01] <ohsix> fans are especially troublesome on the ati devices, their own drivers sometimes can't control them :D
[13:01] <frankwe> themp: 'lspci | grep VGA' will tell you what card you have
[13:01] <themp> Ah
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> why  oh why did they make the unity launcher autohide..
[13:01] <themp> Radeon HD 5700
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> :(
[13:03] <themp> Looks like this could be related https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682851
[13:03] <themp> brb
[13:04] <JohnFlux> Hi alll
[13:04] <JohnFlux> What version of KDE will 11.04 have?
[13:04] <yofel> considering we're almost at final freeze it will be 4.6.2
[13:11] <themp> yofel, oh well... The driver solved the problem with the noise, but also completely messed up my desktop with black boxes everywhere, to the point where I had to reboot into Windows 7 in order to be able to do anything at all :(
[13:11] <themp> I guess all the rumors of ATI and Linux were true
[13:12] <frankwe> themp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/unity/+bug/748137
[13:12] <frankwe> ati is just a bad choice at the moment;)
[13:12] <JohnFlux> yofel: so..  if I accidentally introduced a regression into KDE 4.6.2 but fixed it in git a few days after release, is there any way to get that fix in kubuntu?
[13:13] <JohnFlux> :-)
[13:13] <yofel> JohnFlux: come into #kubuntu-devel with the link to the fix and explain why we should include that
[13:13] <yofel> but sure, if it's important it's possible to get that in
[13:14] <JoshuaL> is there a list with gestures i can use with my magic trackpad? and how do i enabled two finger scroll with ubuntu 11.04?
[13:41] <eamon> is it true that ubuntu is upgrading to portage in the next release?
[13:42] <blarn> eamon, no.
[13:43] <eamon> Phew, portage sucks.
[13:45] <blarn> I followed the instructions to install gnome3 from ppa and it doesn't install the skin
[13:45] <blarn> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[13:45] <blarn> does anyone have the fix for that?
[13:47] <yofel> blarn: I don't have a fix, but if you find one tell me too
[13:50] <blarn> ok, do you have a fix for this problem? > http://picpaste.com/bright-WG3Dovwz.png
[13:52] <blarn> (bright washedout icons)
[14:04] <blarn>  also, how to share a printer in the new gnome3 printer settings?
[14:16] <gladstone> stupid question, does anyone know how to stop automatic dimming -> locking of the screen?
[14:17] <laleche> por favor me pueden ayudar con esto meto la información por que es lo que he encontrado llevo unos meses y no consigo hacer funcionar el mando: "hauppauge nova td 500" "ubuntu 10.04" v4l "dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw firmware file" "dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw firmware file"  mudules lirc_mceusb2 lirc_dev lirc_i2c lircd.conf. hauppauge_novat500 lircd.conf  lircmd.conf.hauppage lircmd.conf lircmd.conf.hauppage
[14:17] <laleche> lircd.conf.hauppauge .lircrc
[14:18] <bullgard4> gladstone: Please explain what do you mean by "stop automatic dimming -> locking of the screen".
[14:19] <thiebaude> !es
[14:19] <sha1sum> Trying to do-release-upgrade and I'm getting: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. <--- I'm pretty sure this *is* because of held packages, but how can I see what the packages are?
[14:19] <sha1sum> (from Maverick to Natty)
[14:20] <eamon> !portage
[14:21] <bullgard4> sha1sum: You better wait a while and try again. It is pretty uselesss to see what repositories are not in best shape at a particular moment.
[14:21] <gladstone> bullgard4; Sorry, I mean, after the computer is idle for a few minutes it dims the screen to black (screensaver?) and requires you enter your password
[14:21] <gladstone> I can't find the "Screensaver" option which existed in 10.10
[14:21] <sha1sum> bullgard4➤ ohhhh so if I change my mirror it's likely to remedy the situation?
[14:22] <bullgard4> sha1sum: Yes that can help in some situations.
[14:22] <sha1sum> that would make sense. Leave it to USF to slack hah
[14:22] <thiebaude> gladstone, in the very top panel -upper right the system settings are there
[14:22] <thiebaude> in unity that is
[14:24] <crischan> i tried to install natty beta1 and get failures. "dpkg error" when using the gui installer and "no kernel image found" with the console installer. how can i fix this?
[14:24] <crischan> this happened with three different isos (ubuntu, ubuntu-netboot, kubuntu, all amd_64)
[14:26] <bullgard4>  crischan Did you check the MD5sums of your Isos?
[14:27] <Milos_SD> Hi ... I can't add Firefox Minefield in Unity Launcher. If I add it, and start it from there, it just creates another icon of firefox in launcher, and when I close firefox, I can't start it again from the launcher I created... :(
[14:27] <crischan> bullguard4, md5sums are fine
[14:28] <Milos_SD> Same is happening with tvtime
[14:28] <crischan> i got a tip ob #ubuntu to not try using usb...
[14:29] <Spirits-Sight> Does anyone know how to be able to switch back into Unity after putting gnome3/shell  it says failed to load seasion?
[14:31] <blarn> Spirits-Sight, you have to remove gnome3 to go back to unity
[14:31] <blarn> purge the gnome3 ppa
[14:31] <bazhang> !info ppa-purge
[14:32] <thiebaude> Spirits-Sight, i had that happen to me yestersday
[14:32] <Spirits-Sight> that stinks I was hoping to be able to go between the two
[14:32] <thiebaude> i had to get rid of it and re-install 11.04
[14:32] <thiebaude> yea i wanted to use gnome 3 too :)
[14:34] <Spirits-Sight> I like number of things about it over unity but like layout little better with Unity, wish both became one UI with best of both :-) o well
[14:35] <Spirits-Sight> will we be able switch between the two when final comes
[14:35] <Spirits-Sight> ?
[14:36] <thiebaude> im surprised canonical did not go with gnome3 instead of unity imho
[14:36] <blarn> gnome3 has its own large set of problems
[14:37] <bullgard4> blarn: Where are these listed?
[14:37] <blarn> i don't know im just using it and running into problems... i could list some if you like?
[14:37] <Spirits-Sight> its software and people are making software there will always be problems :(
[14:38] <bullgard4> blarn: Yes, please.
[14:38] <blarn> no desktop, no printer sharing, no keyboard layout options, no clock locations
[14:39] <blarn> gnome-settings crashes regularly
[14:39] <blarn> application menu > application "activities"
[14:41] <blarn> printing in general not nearly as easy
[14:41] <Spirits-Sight> Will gnome3 be the underlineing of 11.04 or will that happen in 11.10
[14:42] <thiebaude> wow, all those problems why did they release it,lol
[14:42] <bullgard4> blarn: Thank you for this listing.
[14:43] <Spirits-Sight> I like the settings layout better and its not many windows now, its all in one window so I like where thats going.  much easer to find stuff but its missing alot of the settings that gnome 2 had
[14:43] <SikEnCide> good morning, Is Unity working in Virtual Machines yet ?
[14:44] <blarn> bullgard4, +2, they removed panel applets, so no weather or cpu scaling
[14:48] <vectory> Spirits-Sight: 10.10
[14:49] <vectory> SikEnCide: why wouldnt uit work in vm, try yourself perhaps
[14:49] <SikEnCide> vectory I did but it appears to be just the reg gnome desktop
[14:49] <SikEnCide> both on my desktop which is a bit older.. and on my macbook pro which is a 2010 model so its newer
[14:55] <SikEnCide> any suggestions on what I may need to do ot get it running correctly ?
[14:57] <blarn> SikEnCide, unity won't work in vbox
[14:57] <blarn> i don't know about any other
[14:58] <SikEnCide> blarn I am using VmWare Viewer on Windows and VmWare Fusion on my Mac
[14:58] <blarn> ok, I don't know about vmware, I did read somewhere, sometime, about work on a vmware 3d driver
[14:59] <blarn> that would allow the hardware 3d that unity requires
[14:59] <vectory> does unity use gnome shell?
[14:59] <blarn> vectory, no
[15:02] <SikEnCide> blarn are they considering it not working in vm's a bug? or is it just because of the "hardware" a vm reports to the os
[15:05] <dp_> is natty capable / ready for primetime use? I know it hasn't been released, but are most of the showstopper bugs fixed?
[15:06] <bazhang> dp_, no
[15:06] <bullgard4> dp_: Most of the showstopper bugs have been fixed, yes.
[15:06] <thiebaude> dp_, we will see April 28th
[15:06] <dp_> heh.
[15:06] <bullgard4> dp_: But Natty is not yet to be recommended for productive use.
[15:06] <thiebaude> im using it now so for me its ready
[15:08] <dp_> cool; thanks
[15:09] <blarn> SikEnCide, its not a bug, the virtual hardware is just not supported for 3d
[15:09] <SikEnCide> blarn ok, .. I need to build a new system for testing I suppose
[15:10] <blarn> its strange they are pushing unity now, imo, because 3d support in the kernel they selected is weak, all nvidia cards will not have 3d first run
[15:10] <blarn> i think they are doing it now just because of gnome3 shell
[15:11] <needhelp1> i just installed ubuntu 11.04 beta 1 and after the install after i choose to reboot im dumped into a grub rescue CLI
[15:11] <needhelp1> what should i do?
[15:11] <DirtyDawg> is gnome 3 used in Ubuntu 11.04?
[15:11] <thiebaude> no, DirtyDawg
[15:11] <needhelp1> something about a symbol is not found.. grub_env_
[15:11] <DirtyDawg> oh k
[15:11] <thiebaude> :)
[15:13] <thiebaude> needhelp1, are you dual-booting?
[15:13] <needhelp1> no
[15:13] <thiebaude> ok
[15:15] <SikEnCide> blarn I would think they are going Unity because of the gnome 3 shell as well. April 28th we will see if it works or clops
[15:15] <SikEnCide> *flops
[15:15] <needhelp1> any ideas what can do?
[15:17] <needhelp1> it looks like there is no easy fix for this
[15:17] <asd2> I have chrome on 11.04 and flash crashes every time I try to enter full screen (yt videos etc). What do?
[15:18] <gordonjcp> asd2: try firefox?
[15:19] <asd2> firefox can't seem to find the plugin and I'm not interested in using it anyway
[15:23] <jedix> asd2: try turning off acceleration in flash
[15:23] <needhelp1> after a fresh install im droped into grub rescue, any ideas what i can do to fix it
[15:23] <arand> needhelp1: LiveCD-reinstall grub
[15:24] <needhelp1> when i boot into the live cd, do i need to press something to get to that option?
[15:25] <asd2> yeah, that worked jedix, but my system is too crap to maintain good fps without acceleration :(
[15:27] <arand> needhelp1: Just get into the live session.
[15:27] <needhelp1> then what
[15:27] <arand> !grub2 > needhelp1
[15:28] <arand> needhelp1: Follow the "reinstalling grub" instructions
[15:29] <blarn> needhelp1, you didnt try to install on btrfs did you? just checking, i tried that once and got that result
[15:29] <needhelp1> no, ext4
[15:30] <arand> blarn: You tried to put /boot on btrfs as well?
[15:30] <blarn> well just everything
[15:31] <needhelp1> this looks complicated, should i just try to reinstall again from the live cd?
[15:32] <syn-ack> I thought that btrfs at this point was read only
[15:33] <needhelp1> i had a seperate partition with all my files backed up, is this going to be messed up since grub is messed up?
[15:33] <needhelp1> sda1 was my location for ubuntu install, sda3 was my backed up files
[15:34] <blarn> needhelp1, did you manually set ubuntu to install / on sda1?
[15:34] <bob31> in a recent natty install I've started seeing a triangle graphic in gtk apps in the lower right corner. is that a relic of that scrollbar experiment?
[15:34] <syn-ack> bob31, it's the resizer icon
[15:35] <syn-ack> bob31, it's part of the theme
[15:35] <bob31> syn-ack: I don't use a theme because I'm using dwm
[15:35] <bob31> seems to be aprt of Gtk+
[15:35] <bob31> *part
[15:35] <needhelp1> im booting into my live cd now to attempt to reinstall grub
[15:35] <syn-ack> hrm, very well could be then but I know I can get rid of it depending on the theme I use.
[15:36] <jedix> needhelp1: you don't have a 3tv drive, do you?
[15:36] <jedix> 3tb
[15:36] <needhelp1> no i dont
[15:36] <Travis-42> how well is the beta working? I'm currently on 10.10 64-bit and thinking about doing a fresh install. Wondering if maybe I should just do 11.04
[15:37] <thiebaude> Travis-42, you use nvidia drivers?
[15:37] <jedix> Travis-42: I'd wait.. I had to use 11.04 for sandy bridge support, I'm using kubuntu though
[15:38] <needhelp1> yeah, i'd wait also
[15:38] <bob31> found it
[15:38] <Travis-42> thiebaude, yea. I saw there were problems with some nvidia systems, but it wasn't clear to me how widespread
[15:38] <bob31> resize grip is the name. supposedley backported from Gtk3. hmm, didn't see that Fedora15 Gnome3
[15:38] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[15:39] <syn-ack> bob31, Told ya. :P
[15:39] <jedix> I haven't had issues with nvidia (binary blob though)
[15:39] <thiebaude> extra memory,lol :)
[15:39]  * jedix has 16gb
[15:39] <jedix> I didn't even notice, haha
[15:39] <bob31> syn-ack: looking for an environment variable.
[15:39] <Travis-42> yea the memory isnt a big deal... but maybe I'll just wait. I want things to be stable :-)
[15:40] <Travis-42> thank you
[15:40] <jedix> needhelp1: so after your install, grub2 isn't finding your kernel?
[15:40] <syn-ack> bob31, hrm... Wouldn't know where to start on that one. :/
[15:40] <bob31> searching online for "ubuntu resize grip disable" points at multiple patches/bugreports for a couple apps
[15:40] <syn-ack> ah
[15:41] <needhelp1> jedix, it was saying something about a missing or it cant find a symbol Grub_ENV_system maybe and drops me into grub rescue
[15:41] <syn-ack> bob31, Yeah, I'd imagine it's been added to the source and therefore really isn't a var for that. :/
[15:41] <needhelp1> im trying to get into the live cd now to try and install grub, it looks hard
[15:42] <needhelp1> it doest look like the live cd is going to work for me
[15:42] <jedix> needhelp1: this? http://www.articleshub.org/article/6291/Fixing--the-symbol-grub-env-find--Error-Message.html
[15:42] <thiebaude> i think im going to install my nvidia drivers see if i still have a problem :)
[15:42] <thiebaude> right now with xchat open it 255mb out of 2gb
[15:42] <thiebaude> it's
[15:43] <jedix> needhelp1: just boot the live cd off the cd (not from the first harddrive)
[15:43] <needhelp1> thats what im tryhing
[15:43] <jedix> say `try ubuntu 11.04`
[15:43] <needhelp1> the live cd isnt working
[15:43] <needhelp1> froze on try ubuntu 11.04
[15:43] <thiebaude> try the text installer
[15:43] <jedix> text install == alternative cd?
[15:43] <needhelp1> thiebaude, like reinstall ?
[15:44] <thiebaude> the graphical installer did not work for me
[15:44] <thiebaude> alternate cd
[15:44] <needhelp1> press f2 thiebaude ?
[15:44] <needhelp1> ah, ok i'll d/l it
[15:44] <thiebaude> ok cool
[15:44] <jedix> I had to use the alternate cd because I setup RAID
[15:44] <bob31> syn-ack: someone suggests rebuild gtk+. yeah right, I could use gentoo or exherbo directly :)
[15:45] <thiebaude> ok brb going to see what happens,lol
[15:46] <needhelp1> does this mean my other partitions are gone also?
[15:46] <jedix> no
[15:47] <jedix> but it doesn't mean they are there either
[15:47] <needhelp1> ?
[15:47] <jedix> grub errors are generally defined to MBR, and the boot partition
[15:48] <jedix> but I dunno how you installed, so I can't say for sure your other partitions are still there
[15:48] <needhelp1> when i reinstall with alt cd, hoping that it works, will this fix the mbr and my sda4 backup parition will still be there?
[15:48] <needhelp1> i installed at /
[15:49] <jedix> during the install, you have to do the partition setup manually and select which partitions ot use for what.. just make sure sda4 isn't formatted or used for something else and you should be good
[15:50] <bob31> syn-ack: sums it up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/704105. google chromium guys are also contemplating adding a calls to disable it if the function is available. known since Marc there. fun :). at least iit's real and I'm not the only one seeing ghosts :)
[15:51] <thiebaude> my system says it already has the nvidia experimental 3-d drivers :)
[15:51] <bob31> I hope I didn't ask the bot to modify the bug report
[15:51] <bob31> oops
[15:51] <bob31> I guess it's just an info report
[15:51] <jedix> thiebaude: do you see high memory usage?
[15:52] <thiebaude> no its normal
[15:52] <jedix> I didn't notice, but I sorta went overboard with memory
[15:52] <thiebaude> im using macbuntu with docky and xchat open and its using 182mb out of 2gigs
[15:53] <jedix> macbuntu?
[15:53] <jedix> oh, hehe
[15:53] <jedix> that's neat.
[15:53] <thiebaude> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/make-ubuntu-look-like-mac-osx-in.html
[15:54] <thiebaude> hate to say this but love the look of osx,lol
[15:54] <jedix> I hate the up top always bar
[15:54] <jedix> I  use kde
[15:55] <thiebaude> cool
[15:55] <thiebaude> i have always used gnome, for little over 5 yrs now
[15:55] <jedix> I switched to kde about 6 years ago after some massive network mount issues at my job caused gnome to be really laggy
[15:56] <delac> does anyone else get "linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic failed to install or upgrade" every time they restart?
[15:56] <thiebaude> i think i will log into unity to see what mem use is
[15:57] <thiebaude> brb
[15:57] <yofel> delac: well, it failed for you and now apport tells you that every time since you didn't report it yet
[15:57] <yofel> you can remove the crash file in /var/crash if you want it to stop
[15:57] <yofel> you are supposed to report bugs though...
[15:58] <delac> yofel: well, that is because something prevents it from reporting it
[15:58] <yofel> that is?
[15:58] <delac> yofel: nice, if I can make it go away, but shouldn't I have the linux-image installed? :)
[15:58] <thiebaude> mem use now in unity is low
[15:59] <yofel> delac: well, check if it's installed, the message just says it failed, maybe the next attempt worked
[16:00] <delac> yofel: well, now the error reporting got me as far as opening firefox for me. but it opened a wrong page...XD
[16:01] <yofel> which page?
[16:01] <delac> lost something?
[16:01] <yofel> oh
[16:02] <yofel> hm, that's either launchpad loosing reports or apport/python-launchpadlib messing up
[16:04] <yofel> delac: works fine here though...
[16:04] <thiebaude> cool, everyting in unity is ok now
[16:04] <delac> X)
[16:04] <thiebaude> im using the nvidia experimental 3-d drivers
[16:04] <thiebaude> :)
[16:06] <vadi3> What is the package that the display configuration utility belongs to?
[16:07] <jedix> thiebaude: 270.30?
[16:07] <yofel> vadi3: if you want to report a bug run 'ubuntu-bug -w' and click on it, apport will tell you
[16:07] <thiebaude> i need to check on that
[16:08] <vadi3> thanks
[16:08] <yofel> nvidia experimental ones should be the experimental libs for nouveau, not the proprietary driver
[16:09] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[16:09] <thiebaude> no wonder i did not see a nvdia control panel,lol
[16:09] <yofel> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for what's being used
[16:09] <thiebaude> ok
[16:10] <jedix> I use dpkg -l|grep nvidia -i
[16:10] <jedix> I'm certainly running the proprietary ones
[16:11] <thiebaude> ii  nvidia-common                         0.2.30
[16:12] <jedix> you're using nouveau then
[16:12] <thiebaude> ok :)
[16:12] <jedix> I have ii  nvidia-current                        270.30-0ubuntu3                            NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library
[16:13] <thiebaude> when i installed 11.04 i choose not to install the nvidia drivers
[16:13] <jedix> makes sens why you don't have them then
[16:14] <jedix> wasn't the bug for those drivers?
[16:14] <thiebaude> for the propietary drivers
[16:14] <yofel> well, they didn't work for a while, true
[16:15] <thiebaude> i'll prob never need them now
[16:15] <afief> How unstable is 11.04? I would like to start testing it
[16:15] <syn-ack> it's pretty stable
[16:16] <jedix> I have kubuntu 11.04 installed.  it's stable but has some small issues
[16:16] <meganerd> thiebaude: there was a problem with both the ati and and nvidia proprietary drivers
[16:16] <jedix> meganerd: what was the issue? is it resolved?
[16:16] <thiebaude> oh, i did not know ati had that problem
[16:16] <yofel> afief: depends on what desktop env, kde works fine here, unity not really
[16:17] <meganerd> jedix: IIRC it was the usual proprietary kernel module dance,
[16:17] <yofel> thiebaude: all proprietary drivers break for a while when we get a new X release
[16:17] <jedix> yofel: is that why there's grumbles of perhaps just using gnome 3 instead?
[16:17] <jedix> meganerd: ah, seems to work okay for me right now
[16:17] <needhelp1> jedix, sorry my pc froze i didnt see what you said after i said, i installed a /
[16:17] <thiebaude> yofel thanks for that info :)
[16:18] <jedix> although, grub looks like crap as usual
[16:18] <needhelp1> the alt cd is burning now
[16:18] <needhelp1> im about to try it out
[16:18] <meganerd> jedix: gnome3 really does not help here
[16:18] <yofel> jedix: could be, gnome3 from the PPA works at least somewhat, but that doesn't seem to have a working gtk theme
[16:18]  * thiebaude i cant look back now :)
[16:19] <jedix> needhelp1: during the install, you have to do the partition setup manually and select which partitions ot use for what.. just make sure sda4 isn't formatted or used for something else and you should be good
[16:19] <yofel> well, I'm stuck on nvidia-current as long as nouveau gets me GPU lockups with opengl...
[16:19] <needhelp1> jedix, thanks, im trying the alt cd now, though im not sure this will work. I thought alt cd was for graphical issues
[16:19] <meganerd> As soon as my sandy bridge GPU gets supported, I am dropping the nvidia card from my machine
[16:20] <afief> how is the radeon driver doing? the one that was in 10.10 used to burn through my laptop battery too quickly :-(
[16:20] <genii-around> yofel: Pretty much same thing here
[16:20] <jedix> needhelp1: I used teh alt because I wanted raid
[16:20] <jedix> it also  has lvm support
[16:20] <yofel> genii-around: what card?
[16:21] <genii-around> yofel: 9300M GS
[16:21] <jedix> starfraft 2 runs awesome with wine 1.3.7 & 11.04
[16:21] <jedix> starcraft
[16:21] <yofel> ah, well, what I have is freedesktop bug 26980
[16:21] <jedix> on ultra
[16:22]  * yofel kicks ubottu https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26980
[16:22] <jedix> hehe
[16:22] <jedix> lagged I guess
[16:22] <yofel> yep
[16:23] <jedix> I have a GTX 570, what NVA is that?
[16:24] <blarn> nvc0 family
[16:24] <jedix> thanks
[16:25] <blarn> NVC8 (GF110) exactly
[16:25] <jedix> so confusing it's a GF110 when they have a GTX 1XX
[16:26] <blarn> well the processor is GF110, not the model
[16:26] <blarn> the model includes things like ram configuration and outputs and whatnot
[16:26] <needhelp1> jedix, installing base system now, almost done.
[16:26]  * needhelp1 crosses fingers
[16:27] <jedix> hehe
[16:38] <rocky> are the "cd" images available for natty beta1 all in dvd size (4gb) now ?
[16:39] <jedix> I don't think so
[16:39] <jedix> I got a cd one
[16:39] <jedix> well, there's an option for both
[16:39] <rocky> i don't see any images less than 4gb ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/beta-1/
[16:40] <jedix> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[16:41] <rocky> very weird that my listing and your listing are different
[16:41] <Pici> rocky: Those are DVD images.
[16:44] <patdk-wk> heh, I can't even use the cd image, too large to fit on cd :(
[16:44] <patdk-wk> oh, new ones look like they will fit
[16:44] <blarn> "This directory contains only less-used images which are not mirrored widely. For the most frequently downloaded CD images, see releases.ubuntu.com."
[16:46] <rocky> ah yes, my bad
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:48]  * genii-around slides BluesKaj a coffee
[16:52] <BluesKaj> thanks genii-around :)
[16:52] <genii-around> Anytime of course!
[16:58] <shane2peru> is the server down for the download?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> had to install ubuntu-desktop in order to boot my den-linuxpc. After upgrading to natty, kubuntu-desktop had so many broken dependencies the rescue mode recommended removal, wich I then did. Thn whemn I sbootrd succssfully into gnome and udating I wa able to install kubuntu-desktop successfully . A bit of a weird workaround , but it gives some insight into hy some ppl stick with gnome . ...better HW support , maybe ?
[16:59]  * BluesKaj checks KB atteries again
[16:59] <shane2peru> !download
[16:59] <ikonia> BluesKaj: the desktop has nothing to do with hardware
[16:59] <BluesKaj> err  batteries
[17:01] <charlie-tca> shane2peru: if you are looking for Natty, it is better to use the daily images.
[17:01] <charlie-tca> !daily
[17:01] <BluesKaj> ikonia, perhaps X then , cause it certail appears so
[17:01] <BluesKaj> =err certainly
[17:01] <ikonia> BluesKaj: nope
[17:01] <shane2peru> charlie-tca: where do I get them?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> ikonia,, then what do you surmise ?
[17:02] <charlie-tca> shane2peru: from those two links ubottu gave us
[17:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: the kde packages have not been tested and pushed out as much as the gnome ones
[17:02] <shane2peru> charlie-tca: ohh, dooohh,  the daily one. :)  I didn't notice that part, thanks.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: the underlying systems hardware (kernel) xorg (display) are shared by both gnome and kde, so it's more likley just bugs in kde
[17:02] <ikonia> more so as you updated to later package versions and you're working
[17:03] <charlie-tca> shane2peru: daily is alternate installer, daily-live is desktop image
[17:03] <shane2peru> thanks again.
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ikonia, I keep thinking that it has to do with HW due to the age of the pc and the experiences I've had with live-cd and the alternate installs vs the this 3yr ol pc which uses the same desktop without any probs , but different hardware.
[17:05] <ikonia> BluesKaj: there is probably elements of truth in that, eg: the older video card has less support in xorg than say the newer pc (nvidia/ati drop models shockingly easy) however it's not going to be a difference between kde/gnome
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ok ikonia, understood. The nvidia cards are 7600gt in the older pc and 8400gs in the 3 yr old pc , so there's a driver difference , hence my conclusion of better HW support in gnome.
[17:09] <ninjai> anyone else have the texture glitch where the scale icon shows in the bottom right corner of windows?
[17:10] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I can see how it may look like that, but just keep in mind, the kernel deals with hardware (same on both PC's) then X deals with display (same on both) then the desktop sits on top of that, so it really doesn't care about hardware
[17:10] <ikonia> (I'm over simplifying of course)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ikonia, ok , thanks for the explanation. Actually, I should have realized that myself :)
[17:14] <ikonia> it's easy to get confused with it, more so when you look at layers like hal/dbus etc
[17:15] <ikonia> harder to draw a line where the under lying technology stops and the desktop components start
[17:19] <delac> hmm, starting to be low on disk space on my live-usb-stick. any way to make more space?
[17:20] <iceroot> delac: a larger stick?
[17:22] <delac> iceroot: well, actually I dont think that would help. It seems the stick actually contains a gigabyte of free space, but the os tells me that there is only 50MB left.
[17:22] <ninjai> anyone else have the texture glitch where the scale icon shows in the bottom right corner of windows?
[17:23] <arand> delac: Delete old packages? log files? downloads?
[17:24] <Saamm> anyone else having this problem ---> Bug #751067
[17:25] <ChrisBuchholz> Are there any plans of making a GUI configuration-tool for managing multitouch gestures. I got 3-finger click for the Love Handles, 4-finger slide to appear/disappear the Dock. I would like many more! Especially one for the Compiz Scale plugin (Meta+W). Are there any plans yet? And is it yet possible to set up via manual configuration-file style?
[17:25] <delac> arand: log and temp are empty. and there seems to be only one unneeded package (old linux-image), but that refuses to be removed (some error with uninstall script)
[17:26] <skyjumper> ChrisBuchholz: not sure about multitouch, but easystroke sounds close
[17:26] <ChrisBuchholz> skyjumper: what is that?
[17:27] <arand> delac: I was thinking of /var/cache/apt/archives/ rather
[17:27] <ChrisBuchholz> skyjumper: aah. Well, does that use uTouch by Canonical?
[17:27] <skyjumper> app for assigning actions to mouse gestures
[17:27] <skyjumper> not sure
[17:27] <ChrisBuchholz> skyjumper: because that was especially what i wanted
[17:27] <Saamm> I cant use firefox 4 coz of this bug - Bug #751067...anyone else having this problem?
[17:29] <delac> arand: is that all useless extra that can be removed?
[17:29] <arand> delac: Use apt-get clean/autoclean to do so
[17:37] <dash> howdy. i've just upgraded my mac pro to natty and now the ethernet ports don't work.
[17:37] <dash> specifically, i see stuff in dmesg about them, they show up in ifconfig, but they indicate there's no cable in them
[17:39] <dash> so carrier detect is busted or something. anyone ever seen that sort of thing before, or have suggestions on what I should check?
[17:40] <dash> i should note that it worked before I upgraded, using the mactel-support packages
[17:42] <rye> dash, are you running some alpha/betta version or the latest code?
[17:42] <dash> rye: Latest, as of yesterday.
[17:43] <rye> dash, i had precisely the same issue with my non MBP device on nvidia chipset which got resolved by itself. mii-tool suggested there was no link, but the ethernet LED kept blinking
[17:44] <dash> "resolved by itself"? :)
[17:45] <dash> (FWIW, this is a Mac Pro, not a laptop)
[17:45] <rye> dash, yes, I have no other explanation even though I don't believe in these things
[17:46] <rye> dash, ethtool is also reporting that there is no link?
[17:46] <dash> hm, didn't try ethtool, i'll have a look at that.
[17:46] <dash> was relying on network-manager's report, and the fact that running dhclient did nothing :)
[17:52] <BluesKaj> dash, are you using NM or network/interfaces settings ?
[17:57] <dash> BluesKaj: Umm whichever this thing on my gnome panel is
[17:58] <dash> ok further data
[17:58] <dash>  looking at /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier, it says '0'
[17:58] <dash> 'ethtool eth0' says no such device
[17:58] <dash> so i suspect userspace tools are not at fault here
[17:59] <BluesKaj> dash, how did you use the dhclient command , sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[17:59] <dash> right
[17:59] <dash> if I go back to the old kernel, everything works as expected
[17:59] <dash> (picking 'previous linux versions' in the grub menu)
[18:01] <BluesKaj> dash run route in a terminal
[18:02] <dash> BluesKaj: ok? and then what
[18:02] <BluesKaj> dash , it gives the IP to modem or router
[18:03] <dash> BluesKaj: Not when your kernel thinks there's no ethernet cable plugged in, it doesn't.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> did you try
[18:03] <dash> no, because that would mean rebooting twice more :)
[18:03] <frybye> hi - in prev. vers. of ubuntu and even in the natty classic desktop one has the "places" including mounts of other partitions on the pc - how do I access this with unity...?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> rebooting , ? we just want to see if thewre is any communication with your gateway device
[18:05] <dash> BluesKaj: there isn't, because the kernel is reporting that there's no cable plugged in
[18:05] <dash> BluesKaj: i had to reboot to get back on irc, so I can't easily check that anyway
[18:05] <rye> dash, no such device in ethtool?
[18:05] <dash> rye: yeah, pretty messed up
[18:05] <rye> dash, could you please pastebin the lspci ?
[18:06] <dash> yep, one sec
[18:06]  * rye wonders whether there is an nvidia forcedeth driver
[18:07] <dash> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/368005/
[18:07] <dash> lspci reports the same under 2.6.31, too.
[18:09] <frybye> short vers. my ? - where is the "real" 'places' in unity?
[18:09] <rye> dash, so it is intel device
[18:09] <dash> yep, driver is e1000e
[18:09] <rye> dash, are you connected to a gigabit network?
[18:10] <dash> Hmm, maybe? ethtool says "Speed: 1000Mb/s"
[18:10] <dash> i guess that is what it means.
[18:10] <rye> frybye, i suppose there is no such thing now in the default install
[18:11] <trism> frybye: you can see the Places in nautilus in the left sidebar, if the combobox is set to Places
[18:11] <frybye> rye - that is shi* .. hmm
[18:11] <Guest91021> QUESTION I am using  Ubuntu 11.4 on a Dell latitude D610 notebook. It is working fine except no 3D
[18:11] <frybye> trism - tell me how pse...?
[18:12] <flopex> does anyone know how to enable visual effects under 11.04beta?
[18:12] <frybye> trism: what is a combobar?
[18:12] <rye> flopex, in unity they are automatically enabled
[18:12] <frybye> e e e combobox
[18:13] <trism> frybye: click the home icon that is probably in your launcher, the File Browser should come up, make sure View/Side Panel is selected, and it should show Places in the side panel (the combobox is the menu at the top of the side panel)
[18:13] <flopex> I'm not using unity, I'm using classic GNOME
[18:13] <rye> dash, so, on an older kernel your ethtool does not work, is that correct?
[18:13] <frybye> that side panel dissapeared a week ago and I have not found out how to get it back!!??
[18:13] <flopex> and when I go to appearance there isn't a tab for visual effects
[18:14] <dash> rye: on the older kernel (2.6.31) it does. on the natty kernel, 2.6.38, it does not.
[18:14] <trism> flopex: visual effects should be enabled, unless you selected the "No Effects" session, you can configure the effects in ccsm
[18:14] <trism> frybye: View/Side Panel in the menubar
[18:14] <flopex> I selected the one with effects but it doesn't seem to be enabled
[18:15] <frybye> trism: great - you are a **star** thanks
[18:17] <rye> dash, 2.6.38-8-generic, right?
[18:18] <dash> yes, that.
[18:18] <dash> oh hello, what's this backports package with an 'igb' module in it.
[18:20] <flopex> Visual effects don't seem to enable with UNITY either, any suggestions?
[18:20] <Daekdroom> If you are using unity, there are visual effects activated.
[18:20] <trism> flopex: if you successfully run unity, the visual effects have to be enabled (unless you selected unity-2d)
[18:20] <Daekdroom> (unless it's unity-2d)
[18:21] <flopex> I already did and it didn't work
[18:21] <rye> dash, don't think i understood your 'igb' statement
[18:22] <dash> rye: hey guess what.
[18:23] <rye> dash, e1000e is outdated by igb from backports? backports from oneiric?
[18:23] <dash> rye: Installing 'linux-backports-modules-headers-natty-generic' fixed it.
[18:23] <arif-ali> anyone know how to disable compiz at all in natty
[18:23] <arif-ali> mistype sorry, found my answer
[18:23] <dash> rye: i don't know where it's from, I just know it works now. ;D
[18:23] <rye> dash, this is extremely good to know
[18:24] <Freyr> hi there! i just installed 11.04 beta 1 in virtualbox, but for some reason i can't run unity. can anyone tell me how to fix this ?
[18:24] <rye> dash, so you rebooted and running igb now?
[18:24] <dash> correct.
[18:24] <dash> ethtool works, etc.
[18:25] <ninjai> has anyone experienced sluggishness in the beta?
[18:25] <dash> I'm sure someone has.
[18:25] <tensorpudding> yes
[18:25] <dash> rye: thanks for the moral support :)
[18:25] <dash> now i just gotta redecorate
[18:25] <rye> well, it means the issue is not that widespread, my gige/nvidia machine had been suffering something entirely else, still good to know
[18:25] <rcmaehl> http://www.canonical.com/ legit? if so why is it trying to access port 11?
[18:25] <rye> dash, you are very welcome :)
[18:26] <dash> this was a karmic->natty upgrade
[18:27] <rye> rcmaehl, you mean the http server is issuing an incoming request at port 11? what's the ip?
[18:27] <delac> how to remove old kernel if: "linux-image subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1"?
[18:27] <rcmaehl> 91.189.94.4
[18:27] <rcmaehl> resolves to europium.canonical.com
[18:29] <rye> rcmaehl, also it is ntp.ubuntu.com
[18:30] <blueyed> I guess there's a bug about apps not showing up in the "tray area" properly anymore with Unity?
[18:30] <blueyed> like with lastfm.
[18:30] <rye> rcmaehl, but port 11 is not near ntp
[18:30] <rcmaehl> rye: so why is it trying to access my pc via that port
[18:32] <rye> rcmaehl, could you please tell how do you detect that? I.e. is that a iptables log etc?
[18:33] <rcmaehl> rye: firestarter
[18:33] <rye> rcmaehl, and you are connected to the network directly, is that correct?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> blueyed: yes, reported already. I don't have the bug number handy
[18:35] <blueyed> thanks, charlie-tca. good enough for me then. any workaround known?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Nope
[18:35] <charlie-tca> discussion about removing notification area altogether though on ML
[18:36] <rye> blueyed, only skype and java or wine apps were whitelisted to use the notification area
[18:37] <blueyed> is the whitelist editable by the user, or something compiled into?
[18:37] <rye> blueyed, http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-the-system-tray/30748#30748
[18:37] <blueyed> thanks, rye.
[18:38] <rye> blueyed, you are welcome, I also learned something new :)
[18:41] <blueyed> hmm.. I cannot paste into "alt-f2".. and then it says to have it stored into the memory backend only..
[18:42] <delac> hmm, anyone? I have "ghost" of old kernel haunting in my package index and it prevents any new installs. Cant remove it even with apt-get install -f. help?
[18:45] <blueyed> delac: how is it failing? probably something in postinst I guess?
[18:45] <blueyed> delac: find the script/line and add some "|| true" there or return 0 as appropriate.
[18:46] <blueyed> delac: I had this happen with some dkms script (nvidia).
[18:46] <delac> blueyed: gives this: linux-image subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[18:47] <delac> blueyed: where I might find that script?
[18:47] <blueyed> delac: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux*postrm
[18:48] <blueyed> delac: you could even just move it away, then retry purging/removal. It's better to fix the exact issue though (in case there is cleanup etc)
[18:49] <delac> blueyed: there doesn't seem to be any related files left. or what do you mean by moving it away?
[18:50] <blueyed> delac: moving the postrm script away.
[18:56] <rocky> is there really no way to tell unity to permanently hide or disable the top menubar on my secondary display?
[19:27] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[19:28] <thiebaude> its finallly fixed for me, yay, just had an update few minutes aga :)
[19:28] <thiebaude> ago
[19:30] <searayman> are accelerated graphics turned on by default in ubuntu unity? I want to know if i have the latest drivers running, because in unity i can not watch mlb.tv
[19:31] <thiebaude> im not quit sure if they are or not
[19:31] <thiebaude> searayman,
[19:32] <thiebaude> i use nvidia 8400gs
[19:32] <searayman> i think they are not actually
[19:32] <searayman> i am installing the restricted drivers now, will this give me better performance? and possibly allow me to watch mlb tv? cause mlb tv works in classic with noe effects
[19:33] <thiebaude> i just had an update that fixed the problem i had
[19:33] <searayman> thiebaude: so you think this will help my problem now that i can install restricted drivers?
[19:34] <thiebaude> you have nvidia?
[19:34] <searayman> thiebaude: nope ati
[19:35] <thiebaude> ok, i really dont know
[19:35] <thiebaude> all i know i had bug 725434, where when i had the nvidia propietary drivers installed i was using way too much ram
[19:36] <searayman> thiebaude: i swear last time i tried to install restricted drivers it said i didnt have any.... but today i checked and i did
[19:36] <thiebaude> and now i have just install the propietary drivers for nvidia and i dont have that problem anymore
[19:36] <thiebaude> installed
[19:36] <thiebaude> something about libcairo
[19:36] <thiebaude> it was 1mb of updates
[19:37] <thiebaude> searayman, i would install it and see what happens :)
[19:37] <searayman> with the propriety driver installed and in use should i hypotheticaly get better performance?
[19:37] <searayman> yea i am about to restart once this innign is over, i am wtchign a game now on classic no effects
[19:37] <thiebaude> i notice the performance because my ram usage is down by alot
[19:38] <searayman> yea, understan
[19:38] <thiebaude> with the bug i had with firefox open used 800 mb
[19:38] <searayman> ouch
[19:38] <thiebaude> now its 360mb out of 2 gb
[19:38] <thiebaude> its normal now for me
[19:38] <searayman> where can i check that
[19:38] <thiebaude> what i usally get  :)
[19:38] <thiebaude> i use htop
[19:39] <searayman> gotcha
[19:39] <thiebaude> sudo aptitude install htop
[19:39] <searayman> thiebaude: brb going to restart aand try this
[19:39] <thiebaude> ok, cool good luck soo happy about this now:)
[19:41] <jedix> htop?
[19:42] <thiebaude> like a system monitor jedix
[19:42] <jedix> that's neat
[19:42] <thiebaude> yeo been using it along time, i still use the ubuntu system monitor also
[19:42] <thiebaude> yep
[19:49] <J1MB0> I am testing Ubuntu 11.04, previously when I have tested when an app crashes it gives me the option to auto generate the error/bug report on launchpad.  However the current bug I am experiecing is x locking up.  Therefore I canonly ctrl-alt-f1 and log in to irssi from a terminal.  What is the command to create a current error report I can submit to launchpad?
[19:50] <Azelphur> Just did an update on natty, now I'm having issues with software sticky middle click, anyone else getting this?
[19:50] <zniavre> J1MB0, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs#Getting%20a%20stack%20trace
[19:51] <J1MB0> Thanks zniavre, is there a text based browser I can install via apt, as I don't want to reboot and not be able to replicate the error.  Is there some way I can use a text based browser or download that page to a txt file
[19:51] <dash> Okay so installing igb didn't actually help, it was entirely a placebo effect
[19:52] <dash> so for _some_ reason my ethernet card decided to work just once in the natty kernel
[19:53] <zniavre> J1MB0,  i do not know sorry
[19:53] <zniavre> never use one browser text-mode
[19:54] <thiebaude> Has the global menu been taken out of unity?
[19:54] <J1MB0> zniavre: no worries... I will just reboot and read the wiki.  This crash happens perhaps once a day at the moment so it will happen again... next time I will be prepared
[19:54] <jedix> J1MB0: lynx
[19:54] <J1MB0> jedix: ahh thank you.. I knew there was just could not remember the name
[19:54] <jedix> J1MB0: if you want the files downloaded you can use wget
[19:55] <J1MB0> jedix: I thought of wget but it would be a pain to read the html... whereas lynx will allow me to read the page . Excellent :-)
[19:55] <Azelphur> anyone wanna check my issue at all?
[19:56] <jedix> Azelphur: I have not seen this issue, but I fresh installed beta 1
[19:56] <Azelphur> did you do an update today?
[19:56] <jedix> not today, but yesterday
[19:57] <jedix> I'm at work right now.. the system I have 11.04 on is at home
[19:57] <Azelphur> ok :p
[19:57] <Azelphur> I think it was an update today that caused it, middle click is like a toggle switch now
[19:57] <jedix> wonderful
[19:57] <jedix> is this in unity?
[19:57] <jedix> I also use kde
[19:57] <Azelphur> press and release = press, press and release again = release xD
[19:57] <Azelphur> this is in classic desktop mode
[19:57] <Azelphur> gnome
[19:58] <dash> Here's the difference between dmesg logs for my old (working) kernel and the new (non-working) natty kernel: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/368083/
[19:59] <dash> There's some different IRQs going on there for the ethernet card... I don't know enough to figure out if that's relevant.
[19:59] <jedix> shouldn't be
[20:00] <dash> well that's comforting, i guess, but it leaves me more clueless about the behaviour difference :)
[20:01] <dash> maybe i should get a maverick kernel or something and see if it does the same.
[20:01] <jedix> I'd try a vanella one
[20:01] <dash> jedix: sounds like a lot of work ;)
[20:02] <jedix>  Disabling ASPM L0s
[20:02] <jedix> wth..
[20:02] <dash> Yeah
[20:02] <dash> I am starting to suspect that.
[20:02] <jedix> it's a recent fix for errata
[20:02] <dash> this looks maybe related. http://serverfault.com/questions/193114/linux-e1000e-intel-networking-driver-problems-galore-where-do-i-start/219658#219658
[20:03] <jedix> what kernel ar eyou on?
[20:03] <dash> 2.6.38-8 is the one i've been having problems with
[20:03] <jedix> did you try the pcie_aspm=off kernel parameter in grub?
[20:04] <dash> i haven't yet.
[20:04] <dash> just found that
[20:04] <jedix> what does  ethtool -e eth0 say?
[20:05] <dash> i'll have to reboot to check, but 'ethtool eth0' basically says it can't find anything
[20:05] <jedix> can't find the interface?
[20:05] <dash> right
[20:05] <jedix> that's crazy
[20:08] <dash> it shows up in /sys/class/net and ifconfig but the ioctl fails for ethtool.
[20:09] <jedix> that's very odd
[20:09] <jedix> did you grab the `lspci -vvv` output for it?
[20:10] <dash> no, would that differ based on kernel?
[20:10] <jedix> it would differ based on hardware version
[20:10] <dash> well i'm running the old kernel now
[20:11] <dash> i'll reboot with that aspm option.
[20:18] <dash> oh well, no good
[20:19] <dash> and ethtool -e eth0 says the device doesn't exist.
[20:20] <thiebaude> wish firefox would get the fonts right imho :)
[20:21] <dash> jedix: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/368105/
[20:22] <dash> so, no significant differences between what lspci says under the different kernel versions
[20:28] <BluesKaj-den> dash:  what about, ethtool eth0 ?
[20:31] <dash> BluesKaj-den: Similar results, says it can't read anything.
[20:34] <BluesKaj-den> dash, which NIC is it ?
[20:35] <dash> lspci sez: : Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection
[20:39] <BluesKaj-den> dash i wonder if your ethernet status has changed from eth0 to eth1 or some such
[20:40] <dash> BluesKaj-den: both of them exhibit this behaviour.
[20:43] <BluesKaj-den> dash, have you tried this driver?  http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/1.2.10/
[20:44] <dash> BluesKaj-den: nope, do you think it's different from what's in natty?
[20:45] <searayman> how can i open up any stre min vlc?
[20:45] <searayman> stream*
[20:46] <BluesKaj-den> dash, could be an update the one you've been using ...I see the original driver dates back to 2007
[20:46] <Guest14352> Hi All 11.04 problem help please?
[20:47] <BluesKaj-den> !ask | Guest14352
[20:47] <dash> BluesKaj-den: did you even look at my dmesg paste? :)
[20:48] <Guest14352> fresh install kub 11.04, tried 2times same result. upon updating "the disk drive for / is not present or unavailable to mount"
[20:50] <BluesKaj-den> dash, guess I should have scrolled down further ..   :)
[21:00] <meganerdca> dash: it is probably not different from what is in natty since it is almost a year old.  Chances are it has been merged upstream into the stock kernel by now
[21:00] <dash> meganerd: that matches my expectations
[21:01] <meganerd> dash: it is probably the same in 10.10 as well
[21:02] <BluesKaj-den> meganerd, then that kernel source driver should be connecting his ethernet
[21:03] <dash> BluesKaj-den: what do you mean? :)
[21:03] <dash> i mean, obviously it _should_ work, but hey
[21:03] <dash> noen of us would be here if that always worked out.
[21:04] <jedix> dash: what does ifconfig -a say about what eth devices exist?
[21:04] <dash> jedix: eth0 and eth1 show up
[21:04] <dash> and they're in /sys/class/net
[21:04] <searayman> still can not get lmb.tv to load in natty....
[21:04] <jedix> puzzling
[21:04] <searayman> mlb.tv is what i meant to say
[21:05] <dash> jedix: indeed.
[21:05] <meganerd> is it not flash?
[21:05] <meganerd> searayman: mlb, do they use flash or silverlight?
[21:06] <searayman> meganerd: flash
[21:06] <genii-around> I'm pretty sure it's flash. Works here and i don't have silverlight
[21:06] <jedix>      Region 2: I/O ports at 2000 [size=32]
[21:06] <searayman> meganerd: the video never loads in flash for me....its just loadign forever...
[21:07] <Kurdistan> hey I read that gnome classic will be default for natty
[21:07] <Kurdistan> is that correct?
[21:08] <syn-ack> No it's not
[21:08] <dash> jedix: hmm yeah, and that says [disabled] in the new kernel.
[21:08] <jedix> dash: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115972
[21:08] <dash> jedix: Suspicious!
[21:08] <syn-ack> Unity is default with GNOME classic as an option.
[21:09] <ninjai> where's the option to change to gnome classic?
[21:09] <syn-ack> ninjai, in GDM
[21:09] <dash> jedix: and of course there's no answer. heh
[21:10] <syn-ack> Don't get used to it though since reports are that it will not be included in 11.08, ninjai and Kurdistan
[21:10] <jedix> dash: modinfo e1000e | grep ver
[21:10] <ninjai> syn-ack, i know :(
[21:10] <ninjai> might have to find a new distro...
[21:10] <syn-ack> meh, Unity's growing on me.
[21:11] <searayman> I am actually really liking unity thus fr
[21:11] <searayman> far
[21:11] <Kurdistan> what syn-ack you mean 11.04?
[21:11] <searayman> other then not beign ble to get mlb.tv to plaay....
[21:11] <jedix> dash: also, maybe check the interrupts..
[21:11] <jedix> cat /proc/interrupts
[21:11] <ninjai> syn-ack, exactly why i said might. At first I was like screw this, then i was like hm... not SO bad...
[21:11] <jedix> on both configs
[21:11] <syn-ack> ninjai, I was the same way
[21:11] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, hrm?
[21:12] <searayman> I m really digging the bar on the left nd how it works, just wish it had plugins...
[21:12] <genii-around> searayman: Are you on 32 or 64 bit?
[21:12] <dash> jedix: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/368083/
[21:12] <searayman> genii-around: 32 bit
[21:12] <dash> jedix: 1.2.20-k2
[21:12] <jedix> that's different than the 1.2.10 mentioned earlier..
[21:13] <genii-around> Ah, OK. I had a 64bit workaround for flash that I had to do this week earlier
[21:13] <searayman> also dont like how unity handles dual screens, it has the one bar on the top of both screens....
[21:13] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, you wroute 11.08 it should be 11.04.
[21:13] <Kurdistan> if ubuntu is not planning to ship it late
[21:13] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, I said that in 11.04 Gnome classic desktop is included but as of 11.08, it will not be included any longer
[21:14] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, No, I said what I meant.
[21:14] <jedix> dash: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632650
[21:14] <Pici> syn-ack: 11.08 is not an Ubuntu release.
[21:14] <syn-ack> wait, 11.10 will be the release, wont it
[21:14] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, okey now I get you.
[21:14] <Pici> syn-ack: Yes, and UDS for 11.10 hasn't happened yet, so nothing is set in stone.
[21:14] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, that was why I asked. :)
[21:15] <Pici> !uds
[21:15] <syn-ack> Pici, Right... That's why I said "reports are"
[21:15] <Pici> syn-ack: righto
[21:15] <Kurdistan> my question is not answered will gnome classic be default or not to natty?
[21:15] <Kurdistan> I hope it will so unity have more time to become stable
[21:15] <searayman> genii-around: did you have any ideas?
[21:16] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, I told you no
[21:16] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, according to phonorix it will.
[21:16] <genii-around> searayman: Not for 32bit, sorry
[21:16] <BluesKaj-den> dash is ifconfig showing anything under eth0 ?
[21:16] <searayman> Kurdistan: nope
[21:17] <searayman> genii-around: lol, thanks for the thought anywho
[21:17] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, are you a developer or not?
[21:17] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, no, but I keep up on what's going on. and since when has phonorix got anything right?
[21:17] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, I'm surprised to even pay any attention to that rag.
[21:18] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, and considering that I'm running Natty right now, and I'm an active bug reporter... well you get the picture
[21:19] <searayman> lol
[21:20] <syn-ack> That's not to say that I wasn't developing at one time. I just don't have the time for it right now.
[21:21] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, I have respect to all ubuntu users that give back
[21:21] <syn-ack> You should respect to all ubuntu users, regardless. imo.
[21:21] <Kurdistan> okey then I know unity will be default. hope it will be stable.
[21:21] <syn-ack> Unity already is pretty stable.
[21:22] <Kurdistan> ubuntugeek wrote that unity (natty) was the worste beta
[21:22] <searayman> Kurdistan: its pretty stable right now
[21:22] <Kurdistan> many people seems to have that feeling
[21:22] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, I can't believe you're paying attention to all these
[21:22] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, ubuntugeek is a good site.
[21:23] <syn-ack> Kurdistan, The plain and simple fact is that this is a pretty major change to Ubuntu. There are users who are going to be pissed about it. It's alright read that stuff but you really shouldn't be taking it seriously until you've taken the time to try for yourself.
[21:24] <dash> i tried out unity, it's pretty neat, i think it's a good direction
[21:24] <dash> but this week i switched to awesome
[21:24] <Kurdistan> syn-ack, :) I will try it. I am ubuntuholic
[21:24] <syn-ack> That's the only real way you're going to come to any definitive conclusion.
[21:24] <searayman> dash: whats awesome?
[21:24] <dash> searayman: a tiling window manager
[21:24] <searayman> hmmm
[21:24] <searayman> dash: link?
[21:25] <dash> awesome.naquadah.org
[21:25] <searayman> looks fast nd light
[21:25] <dash> it's surprised me so far, i thought i was going to not like it. but it's got dbus notifications support, has a floating-windows mode, etc
[21:25] <syn-ack> It is
[21:25] <dash> searayman: most window managers are :)
[21:26] <dash> (for everything else, there's compiz)
[21:26] <searayman> lol
[21:26] <searayman> yea....
[21:26] <syn-ack> dash, are you using AwesomeWM within Gnome?
[21:26] <searayman> anyone else try unity 2d?
[21:26] <syn-ack> nope. don't need to. :P
[21:26] <dash> syn-ack: no, i might try that later
[21:26] <dash> syn-ack: but honestly i hardly ever use the panel
[21:27] <syn-ack> dash, That ought to prove interesting.
[21:28] <Kurdistan> have nice evening ubuntuholics.
[21:51] <yaaar> we're addicted to ubuntuhol?
[21:57] <magn3ts> Anyone have Guest Additions + Natty + VB working. I really wish it would work...
[22:07] <myk_robinson> can someone pastebin a defaulted apt source list for Natty? I think some of my Maverick stuff may have polluted it
[22:11] <mns`> myk_robinson: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty main restricted
[22:11] <mns`> myk_robinson: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty main restricted
[22:11] <myk_robinson> mns`: I found this    http://ubuntu4beginners.blogspot.com/2011/01/restore-your-sources-list-to-defaults.html
[22:12] <mns`> myk_robinson: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-updates main restricted
[22:12] <myk_robinson> but definitely thank you for responding
[22:12] <mns`> myk_robinson: =)
[22:15] <myk_robinson> mns`: I started getting this error today:   W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net///ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[22:15] <myk_robinson> i get it even after defaulting the sources list
[22:15] <myk_robinson> anyone else able to confirm the same problem?
[22:17] <arand> myk_robinson: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* as well...
[22:18] <gordonjcp> how can I get Ubuntu to not attempt to update grub?
[22:18] <myk_robinson> arand: i dont have much    http://pastebin.com/SY7hHNf2
[22:19] <arand> gordonjcp: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[22:19] <dash> arand: probably not. what's the problem?
[22:19] <myk_robinson> arand: would you mind comparing that to yours? I know I have manually added Wine 1.3, Google Chrome, and Gwibber Lens
[22:19] <dash> oops wrong person :)
[22:19] <dash> gordonjcp: what's the problem you're having?
[22:19] <arand> gordonjcp: Deselect any drives
[22:20] <arand> myk_robinson: Likely one of those are not available for natty, or so..
[22:21] <gordonjcp> dash: whenever I update ubuntu, it pulls in grub2
[22:21] <arand> myk_robinson: the --natty.list looks suspicious
[22:21] <gordonjcp> dash: and then rather rudely obliterates my boot laoder
[22:21] <gordonjcp> *loader
[22:21] <myk_robinson> arand: not sure where that came from. Do you have that?
[22:21] <gordonjcp> arand: I'll give that a go
[22:21] <arand> gordonjcp: DO what I said
[22:22] <arand> Sorry sticky caps
[22:22] <arand> myk_robinson: Nope
[22:23] <arand> myk_robinson: I've got naugt in that dir, since I've added no PPAs
[22:23] <gordonjcp> arand: interestingly it sees a couple of the other usable partitions but not all of them
[22:23] <gordonjcp> arand: maybe I should file a bug
[22:23] <myk_robinson> arand: the --natty ones apparently were the offending ones. Thanks for the comparison, unsure where they came from
[22:25] <arand> myk_robinson: You possibly ran add-apt-repository with odd parameters, or maybe they got confused in a dist-upgrade..
[22:25] <arand> gordonjcp: Possibly, I'm not sure though.
[22:27] <ceed^> During the last few days I've noticed that the screen is mostly black when the screen comes on after inactivity. Slowly applications are showing as black areas dissapears over 30 seconds or so. Anyone else seen this kind of behavior? Natty fully updated.
[23:09] <thiebaude> Failed to download repository information
[23:09] <thiebaude> im running update manager and that's what it says