[00:06] anybody installed gnome 3 yet ? wonder how does it install from ppa ? [00:13] Volkodav: you add the PPA to your sources then update && install package [00:54] is there a way to minimize the graphics from within 11.04 please? [00:56] IdleOne: my question was did anybody try it and what are the impressions [00:57] overall beautiful [00:57] alot of thought went into the design and feel of this version [00:58] it is however graphically intensive(moreso then the previous) [00:58] and you will be surprised with some of the application changes... [00:58] I'm not able to say how I feel about some of these, as I am currently working on reducing the graphics to improve overall performance [00:59] how intensive is it ? similar to compiz or more ? [01:00] compiz however I cannot find the specific setting for it [01:00] I will brb.. going to crank the graphics from my bios [01:00] 5 mins [01:13] reducing graphics? anyone? [01:24] is anyone able to get gnome3 installed? [01:25] i tried but it borked my system earlier [01:25] i used a gnome3-ppa [01:25] yeah, ehh ubuntu classic works for me [01:25] i like it a lot [01:26] me too androidbruce [01:26] i def hate unity right now [01:26] thiebaude, borked it how? [01:26] Guys, I was using an ubuntu daily version, from 28032011, but today i decided to try gnome3 out. All I did was to add the gnome3 repository, updated the sources, dist-upgrade and finally installed gnome3. NOw it' s freezing on login screen. Any idea!?! [01:26] i use macbuntu with gnome classic :) [01:26] macbuntu? hmmmm [01:26] i use docky [01:26] ceed^, when i went to log in there was a black screen [01:27] i love docky androidbruce [01:27] ceed^, im scared to try it again,lol [01:27] I use Unity. I has decided to hate it, but I could'nt. What's wrong with me? :) [01:28] I didn' t like Unity at all [01:28] i just think unity is in it's infancy [01:28] and it will def improve [01:28] thiebaude, that's borked allright :) [01:28] i would use unity and my nvidia drivers but the ram usage is soo high [01:28] ubuntu classic is total win [01:28] spaces are killer [01:28] bug 725434 [01:29] Launchpad bug 725434 in cairo (Ubuntu Natty) "Nvidia drivers lead to extra memory usage for each process using libGL" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725434 [01:29] better than os x imho [01:29] now i just use the ubuntu default drivers [01:29] androidbruce, I agree. Some pretty nasty bugs in it stll. Especially with software not tested with it. [01:29] is there anyway to downgrade once you upgrade with update-manager -d? [01:30] What really annoys me is that the notification area is censored. I have to allow apps to run there. Geesh... [01:31] androidbruce: no [01:31] rww: really? [01:31] that's a shame [01:31] !downgrade [01:31] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system. [01:32] yeah, ehhh [01:32] ill stay [01:32] the mem leaks from nvidia drivers are truly a pita though [01:32] I break my system anyway. Too boring having it just run all the time. [01:32] ceed^: lawl [01:33] androidbruce, for sure [01:33] at idle it used more than windows 7 when i had 7 androidbruce [01:33] yeah [01:33] much more [01:33] that's no good [01:33] i have 3.5gb of ram [01:33] so i might be ok [01:33] but still sucks [01:33] i have 2gb [01:34] i run 64 bit as well [01:34] and firefox open it would say 900mb or more sometimes [01:34] no way for me, i'll use that [01:34] gotcha [01:34] i use chrome [01:34] i think it's a tad light imho [01:34] lighter** [01:35] 198mb out of 2gb with xchat open [01:35] yeah that's a lot [01:35] im ssh'd into my natty machine right now [01:35] using irssi [01:35] im at work for another 1.5 hrs :/ [01:35] i should probably get back to fixing laptops :( [01:35] hello i've been using natty for almost 3 weeks now.... i recently installed updates, and now I'm having trouble booting... something like "the disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present". (and all other filesystems when I press "S").. I powered off my computer after a kernel panic that froze my computer, could this be the cause? [01:36] and I'm not sure of any solutions... I can get to a maintenance shell [01:36] ok androidbruce have a good one, got to get back to making supper before it burns,lol :) [01:43] * thiebaude crickets,lol :) === tuxampol_ is now known as tuxampol [02:21] that's /quit [02:24] hello? [02:33] I'm using testdrive to get the latest ISO for the daily release of Ubuntu 11.04, and I am having trouble running Unity. Is Unity broken, or is it an issue with my VM somehow? Using QEMU. [02:44] I'm using testdrive to get the latest ISO for the daily release of Ubuntu 11.04, and I am having trouble running Unity. Is Unity broken, or is it an issue with my VM somehow? Using QEMU. [02:44] Jon--, I think that question is more valid at #ubuntu-testing [02:45] UndiFineD, Alright, thanks [02:56] Jon--: Unity doesn't tend to work well with VMs, I hear. [02:56] rww, fantastic. ;) [02:58] not the 3d version anyways; unless you use vmware (not because it can only work in vmware, but hwo they do 3d acceleration) [03:05] ohsix, how can I try the 2D version? [03:05] Jon--: if it's installed as i understand it, it should work automatically; but you mght also be able to select it from the login screen like any other session [03:06] ohsix, I cannot. [03:06] hold on let me look [03:11] ohsix, How do I log out? Logout isn't an option from the menu D: [03:11] not sure, i haven't messed with unity in a while; last time i did it was on the user menu in the top right [03:13] yeah it wasn't in the menu [03:13] I used gnome-save-session --kill to log off [03:13] now under the login menu I have the following options for interface: [03:14] Recovery console, Ubuntu, Ubuntu classic, Ubuntu classic (no effects), Ubuntu (safe mode), User defined session [03:16] looks like it's not in there [03:17] negative. D: [03:18] i'm pretty sure unity 3d (compiz w/unity plugin) is supposed to fall back and spawn unity2d in some way if it fails [03:19] I'm not sure it is installed by default, it falls back to ubuntu classic, just sudo apt-get install unity-2d and you should be able to select it on the gdm screen [03:19] So with Ubuntu 11.04 will we have to use unity/will it come by default? [03:20] no/yes [03:20] okay, great. [03:20] what will be the default? [03:20] will gnome still came as default? [03:20] The default is unity AFAIK, but it will have GNOME [03:21] unity just isn't practical for 3 screens tbh [03:21] trism: ah [03:21] why won't unity be back ported to 10.10? [03:22] because they dont backport features, just fixes [03:22] iszak: too much work for not enough payoff [03:22] I guess so, I wouldn't think it'd need that much of a rewrite to 10.10? [03:22] ive installed indicator-weather, but I can't seem to get it to run. [03:22] I didn't think Ubuntu changed that much between releases [03:22] you can use a ppa to play with it on 10.10, but that will probably not stay around very long after 11.04 [03:22] the people who actually were going to do the rewrite disagree with you. [03:22] ohsix, yeah I did that, very buggy. [03:22] ubuntu changes a lot between versions, it's the only time it can change [03:23] I thought it was mostly updated versions, bug fixes, some new features, nothing like major changes. [03:23] and the long short of unity on 10.10 is you need compiz .9 and the unity plugin, and a lot more software; all new features thus not going to land in an old version [03:23] what version of compiz is bundled with 10.10? [03:24] ah 0.8.6 [03:24] no doubt it's been updated a few times [03:24] eh [03:24] stuff is only updated if it saves a ton of work backporting a fix that is a huge problem [03:25] and extremely narrow and special circumstance [03:25] so how much better is Compiz 0.9 over 0.8? [03:25] cuz all the stuff is changed rapidly and tested together before a release; but if something is changed after a release it lacks that same phase [03:25] in my experience it's not any better, and even worse (crashes) [03:26] :l [03:26] well it is a new minor release, so I guess you've got to expect new bugs. [03:26] theres a reason people lived with .8 so long, even though upstream was basically dead/couldn't figure out what to do to progress [03:27] for compiz .8 to .9 is a major release, since there's 0 in the primary release number, and besides that; it's been that way with .6 and stuff as well [03:27] I thought it was a.b.c, where a is major [03:28] they've thrown a lot of work out and started over by refactoring things several times, every time thinking they'll solve some problem they eventually run into due to poor planning or something [03:28] theres no rule about version numbers, just what projects generally do [03:28] how do I run indicator-weather? [03:28] switch10_, which one [03:29] nit-wit: the package is called indicator-weather. [03:29] switch10_, is it in the software center [03:29] switch10_, you install it and run Weather Indicator from the menu. It should also start automatically if you log out and in again. [03:31] ceed^: how do I start from a command line. [03:31] ? [03:31] QEMU crashed my computer at times [03:32] switch10_, type the command "indicator-weather" [03:32] ceed^: Thats what I thought too. doesnt work [03:33] switch10_, I install it using the PPA instead. Gives you a newer version. I do not think the one that comes with U works. [03:34] ceed^: sweet, i'll try that one. Thanks. [03:36] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/weather-indicator-team/ppa/ubuntu natty main [04:06] an news on the wubi troubles ? [04:06] *any === rww is now known as rww_ === rww_ is now known as rww__ === rww__ is now known as robertwall === robertwall is now known as rww` === cryptk|offline is now known as cryptk [04:29] a bunch of updates today, installing now. Anyone see changes for the better? [04:29] installing the 11.04 beta now [04:30] akavlie, updated compiz seems a little less nervous. [04:31] Unity is updated too apparently, though I'm not using it [04:31] ceed^, what was the issue w/ compiz? [04:32] akavlie, crashed on me once or twice daily. since the update it seems to be running calmer. [04:32] Where did that new scrollbar come from? Is that some new Gnome thing, or? [04:32] * gunndawg crosses fingers as 11.04 is being installed and update over 10.10 [04:33] ceed^, what new scrollbar? [04:33] oh wow, I see it now [04:33] yeah, I'd seen discussion of that. Didn't think it was going in 11.04. [04:33] akavlie, on gnome apps the scroll bar on the right is different. it's narrow with this popup arrow thing coming out on the side [04:34] they've demoed it before, I think it's another Ubuntu-specific thing [04:34] kinda cool....I think...maybe... :) [04:35] yeah, first impression: it's a nice little UI innovation. [04:35] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntus-new-overlay-scrollbars-for-natty/ [04:37] akavlie, oh, so it's buntu-candy. [04:38] yeah, I guess you could say that [04:39] I think I like it. I even like Unity so there's no end to the madness over here :) [04:40] ceed^, will have to give Unity a more thorough try as I just tried it for a bit on a netbook. It seemed like it took away functionality without adequate alternatives in some ways. [04:40] 5mins left on install for me [04:40] cant wait [04:40] i like how it saves some space while still showing the scroll position, but waiting for the scrubber to show up when you're using a mouse is a pain in th ebutt [04:41] I wonder if there's a good introductory doc for Unity [04:41] kicking the tires and messing with it in ccsm is probably good enough; unless you're going to start developing it :D [04:42] ccsm? [04:42] akavlie, Unity is very simple. I've gotten used to it already. I've used Gnome for years, but now I'm like "this works, I'm not really missing the stuff I thought I would be missing". [04:42] well some things are not immediately obvious. I just read an article on Ars that pointed out how keyboard shortcuts work. [04:43] win key shows keyboard shortcut overlay; tapping it shows a search view. Didn't know that. [04:43] akavlie: compizconfig-settings-manager [04:43] ceed^: i lean on the panel a lot; so anything touching how it basically works is problematic D: [04:44] ohsix, I didn't use the panel that much. When I first tried unity I missed weather. Found that. Now I only miss a simple system monitor. The one available is too simple. [04:45] seeing a usability issue w/ the scrollbar now: it's not quick enough becoming visible to grab and scroll. [04:45] it needs to be lightning fast [04:45] The only thing I do not like is the "censored" notification area where for instance Skype is allowed while other apps aren't. [04:45] also a lot of appear/disappear if you overshoot it. [04:45] ceed^: if i hadn't known about being able to put stuff on the panel i wouldn't miss it, and i suspect people in the future that only know something like unity or gnome shell won't miss them either [04:46] ohsix, you're probably right. I played around with panel addons a lot, but I didn't really rely on many of them. [04:47] i use hddtemp, the system monitor one, the inhibit & brightness one; and oen that shows the frequency of the cpu [04:47] akavlie, the overlay is pretty instant here. Wonder if it's running better on some graphics than others? [04:48] ceed^, could be. Just had trouble scrolling around in the System Monitor, vs. traditional scroll bars. [04:48] ohsix, I use notification icons much more than panel apps. Now there's room for a lot of them! :) [04:48] ohsix, what does ccsm have to do w/ Unity anyway? [04:48] I didn't even have it installed incidentally. I've found it kinda overwhelming in the past [04:49] akavlie, Unity is a compiz plugin so some of the settings are done in ccsm [04:49] ah, ok [04:50] well they can be messwed with there, yea [04:50] I've destroyed my desktop many times with ccsm. Hard to find your way back :) [04:50] ceed^: 5 out of 7 are timely informational panel widgets here D: [04:51] agh clipboard broke in rdesktop the last day or two [04:51] but there was no update to the package [04:51] hm [04:51] ohsix, do you have two panels, one on top and one on the bottom, or do you have one like on Linux Mint? [04:51] i have 2 [04:51] no want for space at the moment [04:52] ohsix, I always work on laptops, so space is always an issue somewhat [04:52] even on the netbook 48pix is a lot but the information is important; and i can just fullscreen firefox if i want more space, since its almost always web browsing that i care about on that thing [04:52] i'm on my laptop now, it's 1366x768 and it's fine [04:53] i used to care about resolution a lot, on windows; but on linux the software is completely different so i don't need raw space like i do on windows [04:53] ohsix, close to the same resolution. I'll take space over info I think. [04:53] ohsix, try programming and you'll need raw space [04:54] akavlie: what do you think i do :[ [04:55] akavlie: more importantly why do you think i needed so much space on windows? [04:55] you're fine w/ 1366x768 for programming? [04:55] yes [04:55] my editor doesn't have a bazillion toolbars wasting actual space, and no windows need to be peers of eachother and visible on the screen at the same time [04:55] I find it really constraining often times; the external monitor is so much better. [04:56] I use vim, so I'm with you there. But I like to use splits, and see more lines of code. [04:56] the command prompt not being cmd helps a lot [04:57] ceed^: i need to see this information to ensure either maximum battery life or maximum confidence about the data on the harddrive [04:58] ceed^: which is known to go over 55c occasionally, and long enough to cause information to become unreadable [04:58] i have a net quota and often bum wifi so seeing the network activity is good [04:59] the system indicator app has cpu usage, network usage, and disk usage; so i can squish on whatever starts going that isn't ideal for current circumstance [05:06] i am experiencing core dumps of all web browsers whenever a web page uses java [05:06] all web browsers expect for firefox [06:10] ok got 11.04 up an running [06:10] now I need to re learn this stuff [06:10] gunndawg, it wont take long [06:11] anyone use rdesktop around? clipboard broke recently somewhere, without an rdesktop package update; i'm trying to confirm and find out where [06:11] with unity i almost feel like I can get rid of docky [06:14] how can I get to the update manager in 11.04 ? [06:16] gunndawg, hit either the icon upper left or one of the bottom icons,,, with the menu [06:17] hello room, is anyone available? [06:17] coz_, ah ok just gotta search for it using the top left ubuntu icon/menu thing [06:18] this maybe a simple question but, how do i load generic graphics driver during boot then switch to proprietary after the splash screen [06:19] gunndawg, also one of the two bottom icons in the launcher , is a right click menu [06:19] let me go on natty hold on [06:20] coz_, thx [06:20] gunndawg, the one with the + symbol inside what appears to be a maginifying glass [06:21] under the add to panel dialog, i have "Indicator applet Appmenu" to add a windows menus to the panel rather than the application. but when trying it the only menu item i get is File -> Close and it removes the menus in the app windows. is this a known but that it only has the File menu with a close item? [06:23] luckysmack, which application are yo u using ? and you know that natty uses global menu on Unity but not on classic gnome? [06:23] yes? [06:26] ah ok maybe thats the issue then. last i checked unity was still crashing so its not enabled. So im in normal gnome. I saw that it had the unified menu with unity which why i looked at this. I just saw that the menu works properly with some applications like firefox, nautilus, etc. and not others. but some it still removes the menu but doesnt transfer to the applet [06:26] mmm [06:26] luckysmack, it seems to be working properly here but I really havent tested it today at all [06:27] im in classic gnome i mean. thats what i meant. i was thinking it still would work since it was in the applet menu. if it doesnt, i suppose its no big deal. was just poking around. [06:27] luckysmack, ah no I dont think so [06:27] can the unity panel be moved to say the right side of the screen instead of its default, left ? [06:27] gunndawg, you mean the Launcher ,, no I dont think so [06:28] oh ok, that is to bad [06:28] is there a reason why no one will answer me? [06:28] yea it works in some thing. but like im in xchat now. and the menu bar is in the xchat window and the panel just has the file -> close. but like in Audacious, i have no menu anywhere [06:28] urgodfather, I didnt see your post would you mind repeating it? [06:28] sure [06:28] having that launcher panel on the right side would really clean up the screen I think [06:28] urgodfather, this is in 11.04? [06:29] is it possible to boot using generic graphics driver until post splash screen then switch to proprietary graphics driver [06:29] gunndawg: i like it on the left, but i agree it should be movable. but i cant complain. [06:29] if so, how? [06:30] urgodfather, what version are you on [06:30] luckysmack, just seems like it would be cleaner to have ur desktop icons spaced a bit more from the launcher [06:30] you are crossposting here and in #ubuntu [06:30] not sure, im a b00n... how do i find out [06:30] lol [06:30] friend put it on here for me [06:30] gunndawg: ah yea [06:30] lsb_release -a in the terminal [06:32] no, im sorry [06:32] 10.10 [06:33] urgodfather, then #ubuntu for your questions in future; switching drivers while booting is not possible [06:33] bazhang, i asked several times in #ubuntu, even helped another, and remained unacknowledged [06:34] urgodfather, well that happens; this is only for the unreleased version, and now you have your answer [06:34] thank you for your response and patience [06:34] welcome [06:35] well, can i stay in here anyways? im a fast learner and since thats newer, ill probably upgrade to pretty soon [06:36] of course; for support, of course ask in #ubuntu , but many people idle here and elsewhere (some up to 120 channels) [06:37] holy sheep shnits!!! 120?? [06:37] lol [06:37] natty is the version that has the unity tied in, right? [06:38] you can choose gnome-classic as well if you wish [06:38] im consistently in 10 channels. usually 8 at home, and 8 at work. each home and work has a couple different channels. [06:38] what exactly is "unity" as it relates to ubuntu ? [06:38] ever heard of stardock for windows? [06:38] same concept [06:38] from what i know [06:38] anyone here using up-to-date natty with unity 3.8.4 and a filled launcher? [06:39] i usually just idle the ppc channels [06:39] yea unity is essentiall an application launcher. i think thats the best way to describe it. it has a few other featues to round it out. but yea [06:40] what other features? or do i have to wait til apr. 28th? [06:40] luckysmack: unity is more of a desktop environment, the launcher to start applications is just one bit of it [06:40] is anyone else experiencing funky problems with java [06:40] can I pretty much get rid of Docky now with this default launcher ? [06:41] i just updated today about 350+ MB's of updates. Has there been any change in the stability of unity? last i tried it kept crashing and i was losing my windows (compiz was crashing). so i stayed in classic gnome. im using a radeon HD gfx card [06:41] gunndawg, that's something only you can decide ;) [06:41] htorque: ah ok. thanks. [06:41] htorque, well yes ultimately it is my decision. I guess I just wanna get the general responses ;) [06:42] yea i hadnt had much of a chance to play with unity much before it would crash. [06:43] from what i know of docky, its an application launcher and unity yea has the same/similar thing. the launcher. but i think they will behave a bit differently. so youll just have to try them. [06:44] yeah [06:44] benzaldehyde, off topic question..... you a chemistry person? [06:49] urgodfather: by choice, yes [06:49] urgodfather: autodidactician [06:49] word, know any biochem too? [06:50] urgodfather: why? [06:50] i asked b/c when i saw your name, i caught myself picturing the molecule in my brain [06:51] urgodfather: i suppose i should have chosen a macromolecule [06:52] well, if you do... maybe i can pick your brain sometime if i get stumped on school work [06:52] urgodfather: there is a #chemistry channel on freenode, the room is filled with phd, post-doc guys, you name it [06:54] urgodfather: some of the autistics hang out there, be careful, they are kind of freaky [06:54] i'd almost feel like id insult them by asking something as simple as the enzyme for the 3rd step in glycolysis [06:55] i know the answer but, u know what i mean [06:55] ? [06:55] adp atp stuff [06:55] i dunno [06:57] nhd+ and all that, glycolysis is pretty heavy, you can find a good explaination of it on youtube under the guise of the khan academy [06:58] when you say enzyme all i think of is the hydrolsis of sugar and invertase [06:58] well, its a kinase... forgot the exact name but, u know where im coming from? its like joining this room and asking how to install winblows [06:58] hi, I asked this in #joomla but there seems to be no one active there:- Hi - am trying to install joomla16 on a lampp setup with ubuntu natty, at stage "Connection to Databank" I get " Unable to connect to the Database: Could not connect to MySQL." any tips? [07:00] right, some type of ase or another [07:00] Hi. Does anybody know of an alternative battery indicator for Natty/Unity. Something that is not Gnome Power Manager? [07:00] Doesn't have to do power management, just show battery charge. [07:01] sacharromyces cerevisiae produces enzymes that break sugar bonds as well [07:01] bjgr, i remember seeing something about an advanced power manager... dunno if it works with natty or not [07:04] c6h5cho, true lol [07:04] urgodfather: i actually could help you with installing windows, so [07:04] i think i could handle that :D [07:05] urgodfather: yeah windows is pretty straight forward though for what people pay for it it ought to be [07:08] urgodfather, hm... google gives nothing, except battery-status, but that has the same problem as the GPM applet. [07:08] So far I'm stuck with peridocally checking ACPI to se charge... [07:09] hangs on estimating? [07:09] No... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/455786 [07:09] Ubuntu bug 455786 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "battery indicator is wrong" [Low,New] [07:10] Basically GPM always write fully charged when AC is disconnected. [07:10] hey benz, theres a guy in #xda-devs trying to install win7 from iso w/o a disc, usb, etc. [07:10] OK, giving Unity a serious shot now. [07:10] xfce4-power-manager, gkrellm, and the KDE power manager gets it right... [07:10] first question: how to switch the primary monitor (for the left sidebar and such) [07:11] So far I just used the PM from xfce4, but that doesn't work with the notification area in Unity. [07:11] if u wanna help install windows at the moment [07:11] only mentioned it b/c we just talked about it [07:17] urgodfather: sounds daunting i think i will pass [07:17] lol, dont blame ya [07:17] im trying to avoid it myself [07:18] urgodfather: to tell you the truth i am using natty on ps3 because my laptop, win7, i sprayed the thing with windex and the board and touchpad took a dump right after. needed a good workstation so i have natty on ps3 ;_ [07:19] no way!!! [07:19] did not know thats possible [07:19] urgodfather: some people are die hard linux or windows fans, i don't play politics, i just need to get online, read some wikis and pdf and junk [07:19] i mean, if u said xbox1, i would not be surprised but ps3? [07:20] me too [07:20] urgodfather: i don't even use it [07:20] until now? [07:20] urgodfather: for what its intended purpose is [07:20] urgodfather: i dust it every now and then [07:21] urgodfather: up until now, yeah [07:21] benzaldehyde, you mean the ps3 or linux? [07:21] both i suppose [07:21] urgodfather: i was studying phenylacetylcarbinol and then the laptop took a dump on me [07:22] bless you [07:23] yea ps3 runs on linux. i dont remember what the default distro is. but since the beginning you were able to do basic stuff on it. after he got it a friend installed ubuntu on it and had that and ps3. [07:23] what were you studying about it? [07:24] syntheses [07:24] i like organic chem [07:24] i know [07:24] anyone got unity working with ati gfx? [07:24] oops, i thought u said it's [07:24] not i [07:24] lol [07:25] not i [07:25] heard 11.04 might default to classic for now. might be wise given unity [07:25] 's current condition [07:26] playingnatty, r u serious? [07:26] heh [07:26] "heard" [07:27] in your head; to be provacative since you don't like it or have an opinion on it not informed by experience [07:27] thats whats being said on blogs, but blogs say a lot of false things [07:27] oh blogs then [07:27] win/osx/linux (any distro) is ok with me [07:27] ohsix: from the other room welcome [07:27] you can pick a blog to say whatever you like, since theres all stripes; kind of like quoting the bible [07:28] even if unity is broken, its a step forward for a modern interface [07:28] is it broken? [07:28] anyone running Unity on a multi-monitor setup? [07:28] or laptop + external? [07:28] not yet [07:29] ohsix: matthew 27:53 [07:29] (i mean, i haven't) [07:29] change broken to "its got a few quirks" [07:29] playingnatty: are you reporting bugs as you find them? [07:29] but i digress [07:29] playingnatty: As far as I am aware, nobody reliable has said that Classic will be default. [07:29] yes, im using 11.04 atm [07:31] depends on what you call default though, on some classes of hardware there will definitely not be the fancy 3d fun stuff; so if you own one of those the defacto default isn't unity [07:31] and considering that UI freeze was last month... [07:31] good point [07:31] indeed [07:33] reporting bugs is really annoying, after 2 or 3 i'm just angry that there are more i should probably report, then i'm just angry cuz i'm dogfooding it and can't practically use my laptop any other way at the moment :D [07:34] i have to setup a triple boot tonight. win7/ubuntu10.10/ubuntu11.04 [07:34] just mad at ati for their lack of linux support, as always [07:35]