=== tuxampol_ is now known as tuxampol [02:48] Hey there, I am in absolute hell trying to get an ISO to boot on my Thinkpad Edge...I have Ubuntu 11.04 installed as the OS, but want to reinstall 10.10. I have the dvd in, and have tried every possible way to boot from it in the BIOS setup...can anyone help? It always just loads Natty! [02:51] byrdiblack: what DVD? [02:51] 10.10 should be a CD right? [02:51] I loaded the ISO onto a dvd [02:51] it should boot from dvd i think. [02:51] OH MY BAD..its a cd [02:52] i'm sorry, im looking at a stack of dvrs and got confused [02:52] i would just double check the bios [02:52] Either way, i can't get the drive to boot from the cd/dvd drive [02:52] not much you can do really [02:52] how do I check bios? [02:52] what do you mean? [02:52] depends [02:52] I've loaded the boat order to have the DVD and CD drive occur first [02:52] its different for different machines [02:53] byrdiblack: right, i would double check that [02:53] I've tried disabling the hard drive in the boot order, and then the boot brings me to a blank screen that says cannot find OS [02:53] byrdiblack: right [02:53] byrdiblack: how did you install 11.04? [02:53] CD ? [02:53] yes [02:53] byrdiblack: do you still have that *same* cd? [02:54] its possible, i think so. [02:54] byrdiblack: find it [02:54] then, get that CD booting [02:54] then, you'll know that its either the machine settings [02:54] for the CD youve made [02:54] or the ISO you've downloaded [02:54] if the 11.04 that you installed from boots [02:54] I see. [02:54] then, you can move on to diagnosing the current 10.10 media [02:55] byrdiblack: why go back? [02:55] you can get gnome in 11.04 [02:55] if you dont like unity [02:55] actually. im not sure if I'm going to go back..i have a couple ISO's I'm going to try.including kubuntu [02:56] My wireless card is not supported in ubuntu:( [02:56] yeah? [02:56] so i've been dealing with horendous issues and frustration [02:56] byrdiblack: whats the wiresless card? [02:56] trying to find a way [02:56] have you tried using ndiswrapper? [02:57] Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) [02:57] that might be the only thing I havn't tried. [02:57] what does ndiswrapper do? [02:58] byrdiblack: it allows you to use the windows drivers [02:59] byrdiblack: you'll want to open synaptic [02:59] or whatever you are using [02:59] and look for ndisgtk [03:00] thats the graphical front-end [03:00] if memory serves* [03:00] oh man, ok..lets see, sorry I'm really new might need some clarification [03:00] and you DL the windows drivers [03:00] and go thru the GUI and point it to them [03:01] so in natty, first step is to get ndiswrapper through software center? [03:01] i think ndisgtk shows up in system-administraion [03:01] byrdiblack: you can try [03:01] i'll look too [03:01] * holstein booting natty [03:01] i have only used it in 10.04 [03:02] byrdiblack: are you in unity? [03:02] or gnome? [03:03] Ok, so i found in software center, Windows Wireless Drivers, Ndiswrapper [03:03] unity [03:03] OK [03:03] byrdiblack: hang on a secongd [03:03] second* [03:03] thats not the GUI [03:03] ok [03:04] byrdiblack: yeah [03:04] thats it [03:04] ok [03:04] the GTK gui is in there [03:04] i'll install it too [03:04] *this is a test install anyways [03:05] So your saying in addition to the Windows ndiswrapper, I should install "GTK gui?" [03:05] byrdiblack: its all rolled in [03:05] from the software center there [03:05] byrdiblack: you got it installed? [03:05] yup [03:05] SO [03:06] go to applications [03:06] and search 'windows' [03:06] and you'll see it [03:06] 'windows wireless drivers' [03:06] its pretty straight forward from there [03:07] you'll just need the windows .inf for your device [03:08] ok..going through it now. [03:10] So I click install new driver..then it asks me to select an .inf file [03:10] right [03:10] you'll need the .inf you your particular device [03:10] you point to it [03:10] and boom [03:11] *in theory [03:12] byrdiblack: whats the deal? [03:12] uhhg im lost. i'm having trouble figuring out where the folder/file would be.. [03:12] you got the dirver? [03:12] well, i would put it somewhere you can find it [03:13] on the machine i set it up on [03:13] bin, boot, cdrom, dev, etc, home, lib, media, mnt, opt [03:13] i hid in in /home [03:13] oh [03:13] ok [03:13] byrdiblack: where did you put it? [03:13] when you DL'd? [03:13] probably somewhere in /home/you/Downloads [03:13] yes [03:14] might be a .zip [03:14] you'll want to go unzip it [03:14] and i would put it over in /home/you/Documents [03:14] or something [03:14] well downloads just has the naty iso [03:14] byrdiblack: DL it again [03:14] and make a note of where its going this time :) [03:15] byrdiblack: if its a .zip [03:15] I'm confused because I just got it from the software center and it automatically puts it in applications. [03:15] byrdiblack: you got what? [03:15] the ndiswrapper [03:15] there are 2 things that need to happen [03:15] thats one ^ [03:15] you install ndiswrapper and the GUI [03:15] thats done [03:15] ok [03:15] I missed step 2 i guess:( [03:15] you need to get the windows drivers [03:15] OH [03:16] say you have an hp2133 or whatever [03:16] ok [03:16] you gotta go to the hp site [03:16] and DL them [03:16] and deal with them [03:16] in whatever state they are in [03:16] sometimes [03:16] the are in a .zip [03:16] you download them [03:16] unzip them [03:16] and then, on the ndisGUI [03:17] and tell it where to go for the .inf file [03:17] IF they give you a .exe [03:17] then, you might have to either go to a windows machine [03:17] or run it in wine [03:17] and hope it just extracts the driver somewhere [03:18] ok, so I have a lenovo thinkpad edge 14. I'm trying to get to their site now to see where the download is [03:18] or should i be looking at realtek? [03:18] either [03:18] i would try lenovo first* [03:19] byrdiblack: do you have an install disc? [03:19] that came with the machine? [03:19] thats an option too [03:19] drivers on the disc [03:19] anyways... id go for the lenovo stie [03:19] site* [03:19] thats easy === Omnisniffiscent is now known as Omsniffiscent [03:20] ok still searching. [03:20] Is there a way to make ZSNES work on a 64-bit processor? :( [03:21] Omsniffiscent: im not sure what that is [03:21] but, if its 32bit only [03:21] you could vbox or vmware [03:21] a 32bit OS [03:21] or chroot [03:21] i have only read about setting up a 32bit chroot though [03:23] I found this, do you think it's the thinkvantage for windows that I should be getting? http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/product.do?doccategoryind=181226&template=%2Fproductpage%2Flandingpages%2FproductPageLandingPage.vm&brandind=10&familyind=513975&machineind=517480&modelind=522469&partnumberind=0&subcategoryind=0&operatingsystemind=49979&validate=true [03:24] the latest date? [03:24] http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-72875 [03:25] i would go for that [03:26] Ok, i'm downloading that exe file now [03:27] byrdiblack: i was able to extract with wine [03:27] the drivers [03:27] uhg, i don't have wine, is that an easy thing in software too? [03:27] you want me to link you to them? [03:28] that would be amazing! [03:28] I am losing ready for a straight jacket. [03:28] I don't think it would run virtually as it is itself an emulator. Performance would likely make it non functional. [03:28] Omsniffiscent: try the chroot :) [03:28] And all the guides I'm finding are for way old versions of ubuntu and all the links are broken. [03:29] !chroot [03:29] !ubotu chroot [03:29] byrdiblack: assuming i DL'd the right thing [03:29] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/Netrtle.inf [03:29] ......... where is the bot [03:29] byrdiblack: you'll know [03:29] if it doesnt work, i'll double check what i did :) [03:32] Ok, so back in windows ndiswrapper, I'm selecting that inf file and clicking install. [03:32] byrdiblack: try it [03:33] thats the realtek one [03:33] for XP [03:33] i think that has the best chance of working with ndiswrapper [03:33] after clicking install it says "invalid driver!" [03:33] :/ [03:33] byrdiblack: i must not be getting the right one [03:34] its a thinkpad edge? [03:34] 13? [03:34] 14 [03:34] Thinkpad Edge 14, type 8578 Model CTO [03:34] I'm sorry, 0578 is the type [03:37] Realtek LAN Driver (MT: 0217, 0221, 0250) [03:37] thats what i got [03:38] and im not finding what i think is a better candidate [03:38] byrdiblack: at the lenovo site [03:39] you can search by tag # maybe [03:39] like dell? [03:39] then you'll know you're getting hte right thing [03:39] if its an exe [03:39] and you want to link me to it [03:39] i'll get the .inf out for you [03:39] im just not getting the right driver package it seems [03:40] ok trying now [03:44] I think this is it? http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-72875 [03:44] is that the one you tried already? [03:45] maybe its not:( [03:47] byrdiblack: yeah [03:47] but let me get one of the other OS drivers [03:47] and try that... [03:48] ok. thanks [03:48] I am so frustrated, I bought this computer because I heard ubuntu would work out of the box for thinkpads...but i got the one version of thinkpad that has an incompatable everything:( [03:48] byrdiblack: but [03:48] Edge 13 (MT: 0217, 0221, 0250), Edge E31 [03:48] ^ thats not your machine [03:48] no [03:48] its like the site redirect [03:49] when you get to that last step [03:49] redirects* [03:49] yea, im seeing that problem too [03:49] byrdiblack: do you have a driver CD? [03:49] or, is windows still on there? [03:49] no windows:( I optimistically deleted it on the ubuntu install [03:49] stupid. [03:49] nah [03:49] of me. [03:49] byrdiblack: good for you :) [03:49] you'll sort it out [03:50] it's been weeks. [03:50] its hard now that i cant even boot from a cd. [03:50] byrdiblack: in what way does wireless not work? [03:50] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10247770 [03:50] ^ that implies that folks have intermittened issues with that chip [03:50] but, it works fine [03:50] yea, I do sudo modprobe stuff [03:50] but now in natty its not the solution [03:50] this is my bug: [03:50] byrdiblack: have you taken the machine [03:50] and plugged it in [03:51] to ethernet [03:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/687692 [03:51] and looked for proprietary drivers? [03:51] O I C [03:51] hehe, Jfo :) [03:52] byrdiblack: so it was OK? [03:52] ok? [03:52] byrdiblack: have you booted into an older kernel? [03:52] is there an older kernel? [03:52] It was ok for a little bit [03:52] yeah, it was OK for a week or so? [03:52] but now the issue has returned [03:52] right [03:52] what did you update? [03:52] I was able to install natty [03:53] testing from the disk didnt solve the wifi [03:53] but installing completely did. [03:53] right [03:53] and it worked [03:53] in natty [03:53] for a bit [03:53] right? [03:53] and then after a few days of complete bliss..it turned back to the old way [03:53] like a week? [03:53] yea [03:53] OK [03:53] what did you update? [03:53] was there a kernel update? [03:53] I didnt update anything I don't think... [03:54] byrdiblack: gotta know [03:54] thats key to this [03:54] a kernel update can break that [03:54] the guy on the bug report, wolf..., linked me to a natty ISO and that was what worked. [03:54] byrdiblack: also, a kernel update could fix that [03:54] if you can wire it up [03:54] and update it [03:54] I actually do not know how to update kernals yet [03:54] and try it [03:54] byrdiblack: you just update [03:54] is there a place to look for that? [03:54] and they update [03:54] and you wont know its happening [03:55] byrdiblack: the wireless on this machine [03:55] ok, i figured that. [03:55] did not work [03:55] when i installed [03:55] wifi and sound [03:55] i plugged it in [03:55] updated [03:55] so they must have updated my machine and it went south? [03:55] got a new kernel [03:55] and BOOM [03:55] everything worked fine [03:56] byrdiblack: well, you're not sure if you updated or not [03:56] BUT [03:56] if you did [03:56] you can try booting an older kernel [03:56] byrdiblack: when the machine is booting up [03:56] hit the shift key [03:56] ok [03:56] thats where you'd see kernels listed [03:56] and you just need one of the old ones [03:56] *if there is one [03:56] byrdiblack: BUT first [03:57] i would upate wired [03:57] ok [03:57] I went to update manager [03:57] a lot has happened to 11.04 in a week [03:57] and it says I have 388 updates selected [03:57] right [03:57] waiting to update [03:57] thats a lot [03:57] that could totally fix something [03:57] yea no kidding! i didnt even know that i was supposed to be manually updating [03:57] you should see linux-generic in there somewhere ? [03:57] i thought it did it on its own [03:58] byrdiblack: it would [03:58] if you were online [03:58] and set it up that way ;) [03:58] uhg [03:58] ok [03:58] there are many linux generics in there [03:58] cool [03:58] ok, ill give it a go. [03:58] any of those could hook you up [03:59] I'll come back and let you know ok:) [03:59] or make it worse ;) [03:59] greeeeat [03:59] byrdiblack: sure [03:59] good luck :) [03:59] thanks for the help! it means a lot to have real time communication after drowning in forums [03:59] come back and we'll get it sorted [05:19] @holstein uhg, i was so hopefull, after update, internet was speedy, I could switch between wireless networks with ease..then after 20 mins, a drop with no ability to reconnect:( [05:27] i used to use ndiswrapper [05:27] then after 2 more ubuntu releases, a native driver was available [05:27] we were trying that out, but couldnt find the right driver for my computer to direct the wrapper to:( [05:27] ah, couldn't find the windows driver [05:28] maybe we should take a deep breath and chill for a bit [05:28] how are you? [05:28] yea...checked lenovo site and realtek, it was a mess. [05:28] I'm ok, other than being completely frustrated about this. [05:28] bummer dude, sorry to hear that [05:28] yea, how are you? [05:28] sometimes we just gotta' be patient with it [05:29] but once it's working, it's like a whole new world, really [05:29] sky's the limit and all that [05:29] i'm doing well, thanks for asking :) [05:29] i am consciously smiling, i was joking in #ubuntu-offtopic said "i'm losing with a smile on my face" [05:29] :P [05:30] i'm just so sad, i talked my boyfriend into buying this thinkpad because i had heard ubuntu worked with it, and then we choose the one version whose wifi card isnt supported:( [05:30] you have a thinkpad? [05:30] well, if it makes you feel any better, i'm jealous [05:30] thinkpad edge 14 CTO [05:30] 14", nice [05:31] ha, you wouldnt be jealous if you came to realize that the realtek driver installed is not compatable anywhere [05:31] let me check out the stats on lenovo's website [05:31] except windows [05:31] hmmm, does your battery work? [05:31] ;) [05:32] yeah it does. [05:32] this is my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/687692 [05:32] \o/ [05:32] hey have you heard about #ubuntu-women ? [05:32] ubuntu has a lot going for it [05:32] potential is a big part of it [05:33] let me check out the bug [05:33] and i've been through 10.10 and now I have 11.04, now the main issues are besides the wifi not working, is that I can't boot from my cd drive, so i cant even install other versions now. [05:33] I havn't popped into ubuntu-women yet. [05:33] me neither [05:33] so it used to work in 10.10 byrdiblack ? [05:34] no it never worked in 10.10 [05:34] unless i did the sudo modprobe stuff [05:34] which every now and again would completely freeze the machine [05:34] does the sudo modprobe stuff work in 11.04? [05:34] ah [05:34] so the guy in that bug, wolf... linked me to a natty iso [05:34] what driver module would you use? [05:35] haven't had a chance to read it [05:35] and it worked like a charm for a few days [05:35] then went back to the old problem, and sudo modprobe stuff wouldnt even work anymore. [05:36] and couldn't get the windows driver for your realtek chipset for ndiswrapper to work... [05:36] no couldnt find the right one to download [05:37] the ones tried would say "wrong driver!" in thr wrapper [05:37] were you using modprobe rtl8100 or something like that? [05:37] i guess they have download links for the 13 inch edge, but not the 14 inch [05:37] sudo rmmod r8192se_pci sudo modprobe r8192se_pci [05:38] maybe there's another realtek module that works better [05:39] i've been turning over every rock in every forum...starting to lose my mind [05:39] and now this inability to boot from the disc drive has me worried. i've tried every possible setting in the bios [05:40] you can't boot from the hdd? === CensoredBiscuit is now known as toolatetoapologi === toolatetoapologi is now known as butyoucouldtry === butyoucouldtry is now known as CensoredBiscuit [05:41] when i restart and interupt the startup [05:41] i tried a couple things [05:42] one is choosing a temporary boot startup device, and choosing the cd/dvd drive with the cd containing the ISO [05:42] it seems to ignore that all together and load right into ubuntu anyway [05:43] the other thing is interupting startup, entering bios, reordering the boot order to have cd and dvd drives first...but that still elicits ubuntu loading from the harddrive [05:43] when i tried disabling HDD from the boot startup order.. [05:43] it says NO OS FOUND. [05:43] so it just wont go to the cd or dvd drive period now. [05:44] i was hoping to give kumbuntu or fedora a try, as i heard they support my wifi card...but no dice in even trying [05:45] i'm having a hard time following [05:45]