[00:02] <akgraner> nope   - pastel  all springy
[00:03] <popey> pleia2: seen Charlies latest mail? Worth posting to the fridge?
[00:03] <akgraner> but the wallpaper boarder had some aubergine in it
[00:03] <pleia2> popey: yeah, I think so since it'll be another couple of weeks
[00:03] <pleia2> at least
[00:03] <popey> would you be able to do that?
[00:03] <pleia2> popey: I'll toss is up on my blog and x-post to fridge again
[00:03] <popey> thanks!
[00:04] <akgraner> pleia2, I've got a few minutes if you need me to post to the fridge
[00:09] <pleia2> akgraner: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4237 that'd be great, I need to get back to work :)
[00:11] <popey> :D
[00:12] <akgraner> pleia2, on it :-)
[00:13] <AlanBell> ooooh I was going to chase for a wiki update
[00:13] <popey> :)
[00:13] <popey> i did that for you :)
[00:14] <popey> you know what would be nice is a bot in here (like the one in #ubuntu-uk) which posts when new stuff hits planet ubuntu
[00:14] <popey> i often find myself in here more than my rss reader
[00:15] <popey> aaaaaaaaand sleep
[00:15] <AlanBell> yup sleep is good
[00:15] <AlanBell> night all o/
[00:17] <paultag> Howdy, ya'll
[00:17] <paultag> Pendulum: hahaha, awww! :)
[00:18] <paultag> jcastro: also, michigan is for chumps
[00:26] <Technoviking> how does Unity do with dual monitors?
[00:34] <jcastro> Technoviking: pretty awesome actually
[00:35] <jcastro> much better than gnome 2.x
[00:47] <Technoviking> jcastro: still use nvidia-settings on a nvidia cards
[00:48] <jcastro> for twinview?
[00:48] <jcastro> yeah
[00:48] <jcastro> but like, it puts the panels where they are supposed to go, etc.
[00:51] <Pendulum> paultag: I am frightened for this weekend
[00:51] <Technoviking> are there power settings in Natty?
[00:51] <paultag> Pendulum: :(
[00:51] <Pendulum> aren't you?
[00:51] <paultag> Pendulum: yeah, not stoked at all
[00:51] <paultag> sox are break'n my heart.
[00:53] <mhall119> paultag: a beating brain might help that
[00:53] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[00:53] <paultag> mhall119: SO FREEKING AWESOME!!!!!
[00:54] <mhall119> I'm still pretty sure they're not supposed to beat
[00:54] <jcastro> Technoviking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/664614
[00:54] <paultag> mhall119: they are
[00:54] <jcastro> WHAT UP PAWLTUG
[00:55] <paultag> mhall119: they have huge veins that hook up to the jugular, it totally jiggles the mass inside like jello
[00:55] <paultag> heyya jcastro, just got out of surgery :)
[00:55] <jcastro> O_O
[00:55] <jcastro> everything's ok I hope
[00:55] <paultag> jcastro: brain work to remove a tumor
[00:55] <paultag> jcastro: Oh, I'm fine
[00:55] <paultag> jcastro: I was in there watching
[00:55] <jcastro> did they remove the ohio out of you?
[00:55] <jcastro> oh I see
[00:56] <paultag> jcastro: it was so boss. I had scrubs on and no one even looked twice at me
[00:56] <jcastro> what about the guy you lobotomized, did he get a refund? </arnold>
[00:56] <paultag> hahahaha
[00:57]  * mhall119 imagines paultag like http://xkcd.com/699/
[00:57] <paultag> hahahahaha
[00:57] <paultag> mhall119: dude, it was so cool
[00:57] <paultag> so cool
[00:57] <paultag> I've not been this jacked up for a long damn time
[00:57] <mhall119> why where you even in there?
[00:57] <paultag> mhall119: I was hanging out with the chair of radiology
[00:58] <paultag> at the cleveland clinic
[00:58] <mhall119> and he was just like "Hey, you wanna go see some dude's brain?"
[00:58] <paultag> mhall119: .... yeah
[00:58] <paultag> mhall119: I also go to see some other awesome stuff
[00:58] <paultag> it was sweet
[00:58] <mhall119> wait, I think I saw this episode of House
[00:58] <paultag> hahahaha
[00:59] <jcastro> mhall119: the one where he pretends to be a doctor?
[00:59] <paultag> the wiseass CS major raids the OR for kicks on a week night
[00:59] <jcastro> oh wait, that's all of them
[00:59] <paultag> ha!
[00:59] <mhall119> lol
[01:00] <mhall119> seriously though, did you successfully implant the tracking device?
[01:00] <paultag> mhall119: not so loud!!!
[01:00] <paultag> mhall119: also, I want to get an RFID inplant
[01:01] <paultag> so bad
[01:01] <mhall119> you can just eat your passport
[01:01] <paultag> haha
[01:02] <mhall119> it's okay, the TSA will still be able to get to it
[01:02] <mhall119> those new security measures are thorough
[01:02] <paultag> they're up there anyway
[01:05] <nhandler> paultag: Get my texts yesterday? ;)
[01:05] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, thanks! :)
[01:06] <paultag> good pick-me-up during the game :)
[01:07] <nhandler> :)
[01:45] <akgraner> there are some days one should just stay off the computer...:-/
[01:46]  * Pendulum hugs akgraner 
[01:55] <maco> there are some days i wish i had a cluebat i could use over ssh
[01:56] <paultag> maco: let me know when it's working :)
[01:58] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[01:58] <jcastro> yo
[01:59] <mhall119> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/summit-qrcode.png what do you think of that?
[01:59] <mhall119> ignore the "Crew: mhall119
[01:59] <mhall119> ignore the "Crew: mhall119", cause that's not actually gonna happen ;)
[02:00] <mhall119> I had to resize the image, but I'm hoping once it's on those big screens, it'll be okay
[02:01] <mhall119> I'm also going to make it a link, and maybe put the same link in the sub-nav, that points to a page with the paragraph from davidm
[02:11]  * cjohnston votes mhall119 for crew every day
[02:12] <jcastro> (sorry got distracted)
[02:12] <jcastro> mhall119: rock. and. roll.
[02:14] <jcastro> I was too distracted by OMGgate part 2
[02:14] <cjohnston> now what
[02:14] <paultag> jcastro: sed s/2/3/g
[02:14] <maco> yep, 3
[02:14] <maco> http://twitpic.com/4i3htz
[02:14] <maco> http://twitter.com/humphreybc
[02:15] <Pendulum> I didn't realise we were numbering them now
[02:16] <maco> volley brawl, neckbeards, and evony-style
[02:17] <akgraner> good grief - I usually don't even say anything...I just couldn't help it this time....grrrrrr
[02:17] <akgraner> it really takes a lot to piss me off
[02:18] <akgraner> and guess what I am right now....
[02:18] <maco> in need of a nice hot cup of chamomile?
[02:18] <mhall119> maco: I think she needs that ssh cluebat
[02:19] <maco> mhall119: omggate3 is why im requesting one!
[02:19] <paultag> I wonder
[02:19] <paultag> if someone could exploit some open CVE against ssh or something else
[02:20] <paultag> if you could re-write a driver and burn out core units on the mobo
[02:20] <paultag> I bet you could physcally ruin a machine remotely
[02:20] <mhall119> most mobos will power down before heat damage won't they?
[02:21] <maco> i once heard about a bug in osx wireless drivers that meant you could send specifically-corrupted packages at a macbook and own the nic
[02:21] <akgraner> just add "sex sells" is now acceptable marketing for ubuntu and community building and why we are on it hell lets just make everyone objects - all the name of upsteam adoption of ubuntu...
[02:21] <akgraner> I'm done...laters...
[02:22]  * Pendulum hugs akgraner 
[02:32] <IdleOne> I haven't seen the tweets but if it has akgraner this upset...
[02:33] <Pendulum> IdleOne: look at maco's links above and you'll get some sense
[02:33] <IdleOne> yeah looking now
[02:33] <IdleOne> Why are we still surprised by this stuff from OMG?
[02:34] <paultag> IdleOne: because the editor who posted this is an Ubuntu Member.
[02:34] <paultag> not that I'm getting involved
[02:34] <Pendulum> well, I'm not surprised by it from him
[02:34] <paultag> because I'm not
[02:34] <paultag> Pendulum: not at all, but the fact he broke CoC is nasty.
[02:34] <IdleOne> paultag: he is still an Ubuntu member?
[02:34] <paultag> IdleOne: IIRC, ja
[02:35] <Pendulum> paultag: he's been doing it for most of a year. I don't know why we expect him to change
[02:35] <IdleOne> something to be remedied if you ask me
[02:35] <paultag> +1
[02:36] <IdleOne> I think he is a stain on our community
[02:36] <IdleOne> time to use bleach
[02:36] <paultag> worth talking about, for sure
[02:36] <maco> im kinda surprised nothing was done after the neckbeards incident
[02:36] <paultag> aye.
[02:36] <Pendulum> jono dealt with it IIRC
[02:37] <paultag> pfft
[02:37] <maco> the effectiveness is questionable
[02:37] <paultag> fat lot of good that did, he's still doing it
[02:37] <paultag> much love to jono, of course
[02:37] <Pendulum> my point being, he dealt with it at the time and AFAIK it wasn't brought to the CC
[02:37] <IdleOne> He is right about sex selling but that doesn't mean Ubuntu has to use that sells tactic or that an Ubuntu member should.
[02:37] <IdleOne> sales*
[02:39] <jcastro> how does your browser know if you're male or female btw
[02:39] <paultag> jcastro: it don't
[02:39] <paultag> jcastro: that's a facebook ad
[02:39] <IdleOne> Facebook knows
[02:39] <paultag> jcastro: and facebook uses your personal data to target ads
[02:39] <jcastro> oh I see
[02:39] <paultag> WEBCAMS!
[02:39] <IdleOne> heh
[02:40] <Pendulum> I loved his 'lesbians will get it too' as a defense
[02:40] <mhall119> facebook knows everything
[02:40] <jcastro> paultag is just angry about the neckbeards thing still
[02:40] <Pendulum> I'm sorry, but this lesbian would not be interested in that girl ;-)
[02:40] <paultag> jcastro: dude, did you see that sick neckbeard that I was rocking at OLF?
[02:40] <paultag> jcastro: I planned that so hard
[02:40] <mhall119> Pendulum: I think that was technical clarification, since presumably facebook lets you target "Females interested in Females"
[02:40] <jcastro> paultag: yes, I was kind of making fun of you the whole time
[02:41] <paultag> jcastro: well I did it for a reason there jabroni, I was going for the offchance someone would get a photo and yell "OMG NECKBEARD"
[02:41] <paultag> And if that happend, I'd sit back and giggle quietly to myself
[02:41] <Pendulum> mhall119: no, it was part of his defense. that they had the one with a pic of a man that was for straight women & gay men and the women one for straight men & lesbians and therefore it was okay because everyone was covered
[02:41] <mhall119> Pendulum: well yeah, I got that part too
[02:42] <Pendulum> my point being that pic totally would not work for the lesbian market :)
[02:42] <Pendulum> (at least not for most of the ones I know)
[02:42] <mhall119> I think he was just showing that he had taken more into consideration that just "OMG, hot chicks"
[02:42] <mhall119> Pendulum: nor, likely, would the pic of the guy they used
[02:42] <Pendulum> yeah
[02:43] <mhall119> heck, for all I know, the pic of the girl wouldn't be attractive to a large number of straight males
[02:43] <maco> Pendulum: now for the gay men / straight women one... i mean, are we talking a twink or a leather daddy? or the sort of gay man the HRC tends to represent?
[02:43] <Pendulum> I also don't think they actually did take more into consideration that 'OMG, hot hicks'
[02:43] <Pendulum> maco: looks more HRC-ish
[02:43] <Pendulum> *chicks
[02:43] <IdleOne> Have you watched TV recently? People make careers out of objectifying people. What we're doing is nothing new.
[02:43] <IdleOne> ugh I need to close my browser
[02:44] <Pendulum> IdleOne: yes, good idea.
[02:44] <mhall119> hrc?
[02:45] <IdleOne> So how/where/to whom does one make a complaint about an Ubuntu member?
[02:45] <maco> mhall119: the Human Rights Campaign, one of the equal marriage lobbying groups
[02:45] <maco> IdleOne: CC
[02:45] <paultag> IdleOne: lay chill. Get a few people to write in together
[02:46] <maco> mhall119: they market pretty exclusively to the white upper-middle class cismale segment of LGBTQ
[02:46] <paultag> IdleOne: best think it out and put something nice together
[02:46] <IdleOne> paultag: I was just thinking that we can all sign a mutual complaint
[02:46] <paultag> IdleOne: I was just saying that in PM
[02:46] <paultag> IdleOne: I'd sign.
[02:46] <Pendulum> maco: cismale and cisfemale
[02:46] <IdleOne> well, I tend to get a little to emotional in these types of situations
[02:46] <maco> Pendulum: i dont recall seeing many women in their promotional photos and such
[02:47] <paultag> IdleOne: aye. Someone should write up a complaint of breech of CoC and general disregard of `ubuntu', and sign it with @ubuntu.com'ers
[02:48] <Pendulum> maco: I know a lot of lesbians who do a lot of work with them so I've always assumed that they're also a target
[02:48] <maco> does this mean GPG signatures?
[02:48] <IdleOne> paultag: perhaps a petition ?
[02:48] <paultag> maco: I think so
[02:48] <paultag> IdleOne: aye
[02:48] <IdleOne> hmm LP has polls again right?
[02:49] <maco> IdleOne: no
[02:49] <maco> Pendulum: looking at their site, i do see a bunch of women in photos, so alrighty
[02:49] <IdleOne> LP needs a unlike button
[02:49] <IdleOne> :)
[02:50] <maco> their photos are so frequently "we need someone that won't scare the straight people away from giving us money by representing the actual diversity of our community"
[02:50] <maco> i remember one of my friends snapping "Do YOU have a moment for TRANS rights?!" at an HRC person when they asked if she had a moment for gay rights
[02:51] <Pendulum> maco: was this one of those street fundraiser people?
[02:51] <maco> yes
[02:51] <Pendulum> because they're probably not actually employed by the HRC
[02:51] <Pendulum> most of the canvassing jobs are done through agencies
[02:51] <paultag> maco: true it's kinda shitty to be so white-bread about it, but at least someone's doing something for LGBTQ rights
[02:52] <maco> paultag: there's also the Gay & Lesbian Task Force
[02:52] <maco> (who, btw, *don't* shy away from trans issues)
[02:52] <paultag> maco: I know. I'm just saying
[02:52] <paultag> maco: they're better then someone who won't talk about it
[02:52] <paultag> not defending them
[02:52] <paultag> just saying
[03:19] <nigelb> morning
[07:44]  * AlanBell adds to his list of unwise things humphreybc has done
[07:48] <AlanBell> however I am not sure I am very cross about this one
[07:56] <dpm> good morning all
[08:01] <vish> AlanBell: haha! i was just looking at your Unity bug and thought, what happened to AlanBell, grammar is all weird and then realized it was Alex Bell :D
[08:02] <AlanBell> heh
[08:02] <AlanBell> he needs to learn to talk propper, like wot I do
[08:02] <vish> :)
[08:09] <jussi> hehe
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <AlanBell> morning dholbach
[08:17] <dholbach> hey AlanBell
[09:05] <kim0> morning o/
[09:52] <popey> when I google for pages on the ubuntu wiki... the kubuntu wiki seems to always be at the top of the results
[09:52] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=CommunityCouncilAgenda
[09:52] <popey> i see wiki.ubuntu.org at the top
[09:54] <nigelb> popey: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[09:54] <dholbach> maybe sorted alphabetically?
[09:54] <nigelb> page title is still Ubuntu Wiki there
[09:54] <nigelb> dholbach: heh
[09:55] <jussi> popey: funny, I always get edubuntu wiki
[10:05] <vish> jussi: i think we both use the same google :)
[10:06] <jussi> :D
[10:08] <AlanBell> that is because the canonical link is not set
[10:09] <AlanBell>                    ^ small c
[10:09] <AlanBell> off by one :(
[10:09]  * jussi wishes he had popey's google :P
[10:09] <jussi> <3 kubuntu
[10:11] <AlanBell> I talked to newz2000 about it and investigated writing a moin plugin of some sort to insert it
[10:11] <AlanBell> it has to go in the <head> section so that would be a different type of plugin to one that rewrites stuff in the content area
[10:11] <vish> maybe it is a g.co.uk/g.co.us/g.com  thing?
[10:11] <AlanBell> still perfectly doable, if someone wants to do it
[10:12] <AlanBell> It was going to use wiki.ubuntu.com by default but kubuntu.org for everything matching /kubuntu* and edubuntu for /edubuntu*
[10:14] <AlanBell> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html and you can now do cross domain canonical links (which is what it needs)
[10:15] <AlanBell> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/12/handling-legitimate-cross-domain.html
[10:21] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016351.html
[10:21] <popey> comments _welcome_
[10:29] <jussi> popey: one thing that occured to me, is you may want to find a generic linux list, or $other list for these people to be "accomodated"/pointed at - so as we dont get an influx of randomness to other lists.
[10:30] <popey> good call.
[10:30] <popey> http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists
[10:30] <popey> that one looks perfect
[10:30] <popey> healthy dose of sarcasm implied
[10:34] <jussi> hehe
[10:57] <popey> :( apparently I want to shutdown sounder because I have been found out
[10:58] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016353.html
[11:02] <koolhead17> hi all
[11:02] <koolhead17> nigelb,
[11:05] <popey> hello
[11:05] <koolhead17> how are things here?
[11:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:05]  * koolhead17 kicks nigelb 
[11:06] <koolhead17> hey czajkowski
[11:36] <koolhead17> hi popey
[11:43] <nigelb> ohai koolhead17
[11:44] <nigelb> :)
[11:45] <koolhead17> nigelb, whats up?
[11:45] <koolhead17> who is collecting goodies for natty release in india?
[12:54]  * dholbach packs his stuff and works the rest from home today
[12:54] <dholbach> see you later
[12:59] <nigelb> jussi: HAHAHAHA 'isn't that the definition of #ubuntu-offtopic' :D
[12:59] <jussi> :D
[13:00] <koolhead17> lol
[13:01] <Pendulum> jussi: thank you for the laugh this morning :)
[13:01] <jussi> Pendulum: you are most welcome.
[13:02] <jussi> Im glad its been appreciated :)
[13:03] <nigelb> jussi: Its 5 pm, and I was almost falling asleep.  Thanks for the wake up :)
[13:03] <nigelb> *5:30
[13:04] <jussi> I would really like someone to explain how to setup bugzilla on ubuntu. *grumble*
[13:05] <nigelb> jussi: take notes while you flounder around, will be helpful for the next person :)
[13:12] <jussi> oh lol, I was just going to the wrong address! :D
[13:46] <maco> nigelb, jussi: i liked that one too
[13:46] <jussi> :)
[13:48] <doctormo> jcastro: Do you know of a wiki that documents Unit's key combinations? I'd like to put together a graphic aid.
[13:51] <dholbach> doctormo, jcastro doesn't use wikis any more - "it's all on askubuntu"
[13:51] <doctormo> jcastro: Do you know of a wiki that documents Unit's key combinations? I'd like to put together a graphic aid.
[13:51] <doctormo> sorry if that's a repeat, empathy hic-up
[13:52] <doctormo> dholbach: Even the askubuntu wiki is on askubuntu questions? ;-)
[13:52] <dholbach> eh?
[13:52] <doctormo> dholbach: askubuntu has a wiki and you can migrate questions over to it
[13:52] <Pendulum> doctormo: there's the askubuntu bit
[13:52] <doctormo> There are a bunch of badges you can earn for doing it too.
[13:53] <dholbach> I'm sure I'll go to hell for it (or something), but I never posted anything on askubuntu - so I'm clearly the wrong person :)
[13:53] <Pendulum> there will be something on the Accessibility wiki as soon as I get a chance to sit down and do it
[13:53] <Pendulum> (so not this morning, maybe later today/over the weekend)
[13:53] <doctormo> Pendulum: If you can get me the raw info, I can have print out done in time for release.
[13:54] <Pendulum> doctormo: I only have the same info as is on the askubuntu question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[13:55] <doctormo> Pendulum: That's the raw info, thank you for getting it me :-)
[13:56] <nigelb> dholbach: Nah, you won't go to hell, but jcastro won't be buying you drinks anymore :P
[14:11]  * popey taps his watch
[14:11] <popey> where's that jono guy
[14:16] <kim0> attending collab summit
[14:17] <popey> ahhhhh
[14:17]  * popey spies a jcastro 
[14:28] <Pici> Um.
[14:28] <Pici> Is there a CC'er about?
[14:28] <Pici> Or an IRCCer?
[14:29] <nigelb> jussi was around till a while back
[14:29] <popey> mm?
[14:29] <nigelb> aha
[14:29] <Pici> popey: Do you have a moment for a pm?
[14:30] <popey> yes
[14:51] <akgraner> jcastro, was the Call for Participation for Open week ok?
[14:51] <akgraner> and do you want me to go ahead and send it or do you want to do that?
[14:51]  * koolhead17 raises his hand to give his introduction
[14:57] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[14:58] <koolhead17> heh
[15:07] <jcastro> akgraner: yeah it was awesome
[15:07] <jcastro> i will send it out today
[15:25] <jcastro> akgraner: mail sent!
[15:25] <jcastro> akgraner: now we sit back and let the money roll in!
[15:25] <akgraner> sweet!  yay!
[15:25] <akgraner> ha we'll be robbing banks before the start of the event as you'll voluntell someone I am sure ;-)
[15:27] <akgraner> We'll get this on the fridge and I'll post it other places sometime today :-)
[15:28]  * popey adds it to the podcast for tuesday
[15:34] <akgraner> thanks popey!
[15:36] <popey> np
[15:44] <Technoviking> jcastro: is Workspace Switcher consider a lens?
[15:44] <jcastro> I don't think so
[15:44] <jcastro> good question
[15:44] <jcastro> let me ask
[15:45] <maco> lens?
[15:46] <nigelb> maco: unity places thingy that jcastro has been talking about for AGES!
[15:46] <maco> um, ok
[15:46] <jcastro> Technoviking: no response yet, but I'm going to say no
[15:47] <jcastro> since it's not a view on data
[15:47] <jcastro> I think it's just special, like the trash can
[15:47] <jcastro> sorry, RUBBISH BIN.
[15:47] <maco> what i know of natty so far on the gnome side:  if gtk theming fails and it looks all windows98, it turns out Ubiquity DOES have accelerators on the forward/back/quit buttons
[15:47] <popey> \o/ RUBBISH
[15:48] <maco> also, onscreen keyboards can't type in the unity search bar apparently
[15:48] <maco> and um, theres a new wallpaper. the end.
[15:48] <maco> (at least, i think thats a different wallpaper...)
[15:48] <vish> lol!
[15:49] <jcastro> I sat my wife down in front of unity
[15:49] <jcastro> determined to just watch how she uses it
[15:49] <jcastro> and I was like "this is all new, so I am going to watch"
[15:49] <jcastro> she immediately right clicks and just goes through the wallpapers.
[15:49] <jcastro> sets the one she wants
[15:49] <maco> haha
[15:49] <jcastro> then went to facebook
[15:50] <jcastro> I was like "what about the rest of it?"
[15:50] <jcastro> "oh yeah, cute"
[15:50] <popey> thats a great idea
[15:50] <popey> I might do the same with my wife
[15:50] <popey> bet she does the same
[15:50] <jcastro> all that work and all she did was launch chrome and move on with her life
[15:50] <maco> ok, i did notice that the menubar i <3'd in gnome before is gone, replaced with that annoyng everything-shoved-into-one-tall-and-cluttered-menu thing
[15:50] <jcastro> it took me like 3 hours to upgrade that nettop too
[15:50] <jcastro> maco: that got fixed back
[15:50] <maco> yay!
[15:50] <jcastro> to how it used to be
[15:51] <maco> wait when?
[15:51] <maco> i was using wednesday's daily live iso
[15:52] <jcastro> maco: yesterdayish
[15:54] <Technoviking> jcastro: making a wishlist bug for Workspace Switcher, this make sense? "The Workspace Switcher icon should change its highlight to show what desktop you are currently using."
[15:54] <AlanBell> when applications launch in unity they seem to be 1px too far to the left and knock the sidebar out of the way
[15:54] <jcastro> Technoviking: yeah, tag it low and wishlist
[15:54] <AlanBell> is that intentional or flipping annoying?
[15:54] <jcastro> Technoviking: confirmed, it's not a lens
[15:54] <jcastro> Technoviking: I would prefer if the icon didn't look like a terminal, heh
[15:54] <Technoviking> cool thanls
[15:55] <jcastro> AlanBell: that was fixed  yesterday
[15:55] <jcastro> popey filed that as a bug iirc
[15:55] <AlanBell> ah ok
[15:55] <jcastro> and terminals would launch up and underneath the panel too
[15:55] <jcastro> also fixed
[15:55] <jcastro> everyone should update today, all new unity stack yesterday
[15:55] <jcastro> (there will be one monday too)
[15:55] <AlanBell> that was obviously something that is particularly irritating to people in their 30s called Alan who live in Surrey
[15:56] <maco> you both live in Surrey?
[15:56] <maco> hey, just like harry potter!
[15:56]  * maco ducks
[15:56] <AlanBell> almost walking distance
[15:56] <AlanBell> well it is walking distance if you like long walks
[15:57] <popey> i can see surrey from my house
[15:57] <popey> but I am not in it
[15:57] <mhall119> so can Sarah Palin
[15:57] <jcastro> so did we get popey to package etherpad yet?
[15:57] <popey> Oh, I see
[15:57] <jcastro> also, elmo mentioned that there was a session on summit? does anyone remember that?
[15:57] <AlanBell> did we establish what "package" means yet?
[15:57] <popey> I think you mistyped "popey"
[15:57] <popey> you meant to type "daviey", clearly!
[15:58] <jcastro> man if I would have known all we needed was to package it I would have bothered daviey every day for 6 months
[15:58] <mhall119> popey: lol
[15:58] <jcastro> popey: sorry, I actually meant daviey
[15:58] <jcastro> sorry
[15:58] <popey> :D
[15:58] <popey> of course
[15:58] <AlanBell> jcastro: there is a .deb file, does that mean it is packaged?
[15:58] <popey> we are so alike in every way
[15:58] <popey> same laptops
[15:58] <Technoviking> jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/754713, sorry don't have rights to change low,wishlist
[15:58] <AlanBell> and it does install on 10.04 if you enable the partner repo because they set sun java as a dependency
[15:59] <jcastro> AlanBell: I think that depends on the level of correctness on it, like is it evil packaging that destroys your server ....
[15:59] <popey> nice AlanBell
[15:59] <AlanBell> I would only install it on a disposable server anyway!
[15:59] <jcastro> AlanBell: reply to him on the list, don't let him get away, we're so close!
[15:59] <jcastro> Technoviking: on it
[15:59] <Daviey> jcastro, yeah.. me and jamespage have been looking at packaging it
[15:59] <Daviey> It hasn't been a priorty, and bit of a bytch TBH.
[15:59] <Daviey> But Fedora have helped quite alot
[15:59] <james_w> AlanBell, built from source in a PPA would be the minimum I expect
[16:00] <jcastro> \o/
[16:00] <james_w> in main would be preferable
[16:00] <Daviey> lol.
[16:00] <popey> *snort*
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[16:00] <james_w> not that I would ever speak for elmo
[16:00] <AlanBell> lets get it on the CD \o/
[16:00] <Daviey> (in public).
[16:00] <popey> put an icon on the desktop
[16:01] <Daviey> installed by default?
[16:01] <AlanBell> ok, so rolling back a bit, Daviey what are the prospects of getting it building in a PPA?
[16:01] <Daviey> jcastro, can we get a unity widget for it?
[16:01] <Daviey> AlanBell, slow.
[16:01] <AlanBell> can that even happen if it depends on sun java?
[16:01] <AlanBell> because of ogre stuff
[16:01] <Daviey> I'm actually not sure it does still depend on sun.
[16:01] <maco> has anyone tried it with openjdk?
[16:01] <Daviey> I think it is now openjdk compatiable.
[16:02] <AlanBell> the existing packaging asks for sun
[16:02] <mhall119> when it was first open sourced, it wouldn't run on openjdk
[16:02] <jcastro> unity widget?
[16:02] <mhall119> no, etherpad
[16:03] <popey> jcastro: we were joking
[16:03] <popey> get it in a ppa -> main -> on the cd -> on the desktop -> unity widget
[16:03] <jcastro> oh
[16:03] <Pici> etherpad council
[16:03] <jcastro> because we totally could do a lens of an etherpad
[16:03] <popey> \o/ Regional Etherpad Board!
[16:03] <jcastro> for you to search documents
[16:04] <Technoviking> need to make a forums lens, so Unity will suck more:)
[16:05] <popey> only if I can get it deleted
[16:05] <mhall119> Daviey, jcastro, cjohnston: there are now 4 merge proposals for summit waiting review
[16:06] <jcastro> mhall119: awesome, watch this
[16:06] <Daviey> mhall119, I'm sorry, but i'm really swapping on other tasks at the moment, there is no chance i can look today
[16:06] <jcastro> Daviey: get on those reviews man
[16:07] <jcastro> and would you hurry up with the etherpad already?
[16:07] <mhall119> lol
[16:07] <mhall119> while (workitems.has_next()) { Daviey.fork(); }
[16:08] <jcastro> Daviey: did you finish cobbler?
[16:08]  * jcastro is in a friday mess around mood
[16:08] <Daviey> jcastro, Leave me alone, or i'll cry.
[16:08] <mhall119> fun fun fun fun
[16:09]  * popey cuddles Daviey 
[16:09] <mhall119> while (Daviey.workitems.has_nect()) { jcastro.wait(); }
[16:09]  * popey pops to the shop to buy Daviey a creme egg
[16:09] <Daviey> i ate two on Wednesday
[16:10] <Daviey> the third is waiting in my bed side cabinet for a midnight snack.
[16:10] <popey> I am staring at the screen not knowing what to type now, so just typed this.
[16:11] <Daviey> I just rebooted two remote servers, and they haven't come back.
[16:11] <Daviey> I suspect they've been re-provisioned on boot, losing my work.  Awesome!
[16:13] <popey> Cloud! \o/
[16:13] <Technoviking> pleia2: I'm going steal your sounder= rest of the internet line
[16:15] <czajkowski> Daviey: you're a bad bad egg
[16:17] <popey> \o/ eggs
[16:18] <AlanBell> \o/ chickens
[16:23] <maco> czajkowski: "but daddy, i want it NOOOOOOOOooooooooooowwwwwwwwww"
[16:23] <czajkowski> maco: daviey and creme egg and that sentence are not sitting well with me
[16:24] <maco> i missed teh bit about creme egg. was referring to Willy Wonka
[16:24] <maco> veruca salt "was a bad egg" and so fell down to the trash compactor / incinerator
[16:32] <Pici> What an incredible smell you've discovered
[16:37] <Technoviking> trying to rebuold some Ubuntu love in Utah, please retweet http://twitter.com/#!/Technoviking/status/56376204369989633
[16:38] <popey> done
[16:39] <Technoviking> thanks
[16:56] <jono> hey all
[16:58] <Technoviking> jono: hiya
[17:06] <dholbach> alright my friend
[17:06] <dholbach> s
[17:06] <dholbach> I'm calling it a day
[17:06] <dholbach> have a great weekend
[17:06] <dholbach> and see you on Monday *HUGS*
[17:07] <jono> take care dholbach :-)
[17:07] <jono> hey Technoviking
[17:07] <dholbach> you too
[17:16] <jono> jcastro, 15mins
[17:16] <jono> jcastro, is dbarth clued up on classbot?
[17:16] <jcastro> he's in the release meeting
[17:16] <jcastro> let me ping him
[17:17] <jono> thanks jcastro
[17:17]  * popey tickles jono 
[17:18] <jcastro> jono: are you going to intro and all that?
[17:19] <jono> jcastro, will do
[17:19] <jono> hey popey :-)
[17:19] <jcastro> did we put this on the twitters?
[17:20] <jono> jcastro, yup
[17:20] <jono> doing the Facebook jiggle now
[17:21] <jono> jcastro, ok, happy to ack the two ARM folks if Robbie acked them
[17:21] <jcastro> acked
[17:45] <jono> there is only one thing that sucks more than doing expenses...doing performance reviews
[17:45]  * jono prepares to hate his life all morning
[17:45] <nigelb> jono: you forgot about taxes.
[17:45] <jono> nigelb, my wife does that
[17:46] <nigelb> jono: lucky guy :p
[17:46] <jono> given the fact that the US tax system seems to be written in some kind of alien language
[17:46] <nigelb> jono: but yeah, I agree with you.
[17:46] <nigelb> haha
[17:46] <jcastro> jono: you do your own?
[17:46] <jono> nigelb, Erica doing our taxes is one of many reasons why I am so lucky to have her as my wife
[17:46] <jono> jcastro, my own taxes?
[17:46] <jcastro> oh, good.
[17:46] <jcastro> ok so you don't sit there with a form and do them all right?
[17:46] <jono> jcastro, no, she does them
[17:47] <jono> our taxes are complicated
[17:47] <jono> mainly due to all the drug money
[17:47] <jcastro> yeah I have a guy who does mine
[17:47] <nigelb> haha
[17:47] <jono> (j/k)
[17:47] <jcastro> even then it's 2 hours going over stuff
[17:54] <maco> i need to find the receipt from cashing in savings bonds last year so i can mark down that interest
[17:55] <maco> ...and find my W2
[17:55] <nigelb> W2?
[17:55] <Technoviking> Nancy has a degree in accounting, so she does the taxes
[17:55] <maco> nigelb: paper from employer listing all your wages paid and how much of the taxes theyve withheld from your paycheques
[17:55] <maco> you have to turn in a copy with your tax form
[17:55] <nigelb> maco: ah, like our form 16
[17:56] <maco> oh right. w2 is with the pile of paperwork i took to the MVA to prove i'm a legal resident to get a drivers license
[17:57] <nigelb> oh, did you get the car?
[17:57] <Pendulum> oh tax season
[17:58] <Pendulum> this is why I'm willing to put the money into an accountant
[17:58] <Pendulum> (I also have weird taxes because of medical expenses)
[17:58] <maco> nigelb: yes
[17:58] <nigelb> maco: \o/
[17:59]  * Pendulum is getting back all the taxes she paid last year!
[17:59] <maco> nice
[18:00] <Pendulum> well, I had $8k in medical expenses
[18:00] <maco> wait...except for what that means about your income level...
[18:00] <Pendulum> and only worked until the beginning of May...
[18:00] <maco> yeah..if you get all your taxes back, that means your income and your expenses were rather uh oh...
[18:00] <maco> 8k medical expenses :(((
[18:00] <nigelb> jcastro: I conclude that people will always ask junk questions.  Just saw that tar question fly by :\
[18:01] <jcastro> yeah I just toss those out
[18:01] <nigelb> I'll skip it brutally :D
[18:02] <jcastro> now you're talkin!
[18:17] <nigelb> jcastro: Do you want to introduce your best friend to dbarth in PM? ;) See current question (And he's in -backstage too)
[18:17] <jcastro> nah
[18:17] <jcastro> nigelb: he's jono's friend
[18:17] <jcastro> I don't have any friends
[18:17] <nigelb> aaww
[18:20] <jono> jcastro, which friend?
[18:20] <jcastro> you're buddy sebsebseb
[18:20] <vish> the seb triplets
[18:20] <jono> jcastro, dude
[18:20] <jono> how many times do I have to tell you
[18:20] <jono> he is *not* my friend
[18:20] <jcastro> things to tell your boss during performance review day
[18:21] <vish> >.>  <.<
[18:21] <nigelb> jcastro: haha
[18:25] <vish> IdleOne: TADA!! http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[18:25] <IdleOne> thank you
[18:26] <vish> yw
[18:31] <Technoviking> vish: woot!
[18:38] <AlanBell> Pendulum: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com look OK? (left side)
[18:50] <Pendulum> AlanBell: there are issues with the font colours on the counter, but positioning is fine
[18:56] <AlanBell> yes, I looked through for the one with the most contrast, then picked the blue one with the smiley narwhal
[18:57] <Pendulum> yeah, I didn't think that was something you could control
[19:07]  * nigelb --> BED
[19:07] <nigelb> g'nite all :)
[19:07] <popey> nn
[19:09] <nigelb> pleia2: have a fun weekend :)
[19:09] <pleia2> week! thanks :)
[19:10] <nigelb> ooh, week!
[19:10] <Pendulum> pleia2: have a wonderful holiday :)
[19:10] <pleia2> thank you :)
[19:10]  * pleia2 needs it!
[19:27] <jcastro> czajkowski: ping
[19:32] <jcastro> kim0: hey you have vdpau?
[19:32] <kim0> yeah
[19:32] <jcastro> in mplayer?
[19:32] <kim0> jcastro: yep
[19:32] <jcastro> is it jerky?
[19:32] <jcastro> mine is
[19:32] <jcastro> but I hadn't investigated yet
[19:32] <kim0> without unity .. it's rock solid
[19:33] <jcastro> let me try it, I just did a clean install
[19:33] <kim0> with unity .. my cpu was high .. but didn't really do scientific testing :)
[19:35] <jcastro> I get about 15%
[19:35] <jcastro> it's supposed to be like 1% iirc
[19:37] <kim0> jcastro: try   -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffodivxvdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau
[19:38] <jono> phew, last review to do!
[19:38] <jcastro> kim0: aha! 5%
[19:38] <jono> all the staff ones done, finishing the last one from the pile requested by colleagues :-)
[19:38] <jono> life sucks in our perf review system
[19:38] <jcastro> kim0: I should adjust my .mplayer file
[19:38] <kim0> jcastro: yeah I get like 5% too
[19:39] <kim0> jcastro: now try that in unity and file a bug :)
[19:39] <jcastro> I am in unity
[19:39] <kim0> oh interesting
[19:39] <kim0> then I guess it works fine
[19:40] <kim0> jcastro: the one gripe is, if the codec used is not one of those vdpau enabled ones, I'd get audio only
[19:41] <kim0> still havent figured out the voodoo to have it failback to normal codecs
[19:41]  * jcastro tries
[19:41] <jcastro> what's an unaccelled codec?
[19:41] <kim0> non h264 :)
[19:41] <jcastro> working for me!
[19:42] <kim0> well, just keep it in mind if you get audio only sometime
[19:42] <jcastro> I will keep an eye out
[19:42] <kim0> jcastro: was that a 1080 file
[19:42] <jcastro> no
[19:43] <jcastro> [vdpau] Failed creating VDPAU decoder: An invalid/unsupported VdpDecoderProfile value was supplied.
[19:43] <jcastro> oh I see
[19:43] <jcastro> it doesn't fall back
[19:43]  * kim0 nods
[19:44] <jcastro> I just had to find the right file
[19:44] <kim0> it considers those codecs as "forced" and doesn't try anyother ones
[19:44] <jcastro> kim0: ok so is it a bug or do we just not know how to set a fallback in the config?
[19:45] <kim0> probably misconfig I suppose :)
[19:45] <jcastro> heh
[19:45] <kim0> mplayer is a big dark ocean of secrets
[19:45] <jcastro> I suppose gstreamer vdpau support isn't coming along as fast as we hoped
[19:45] <kim0> ya :/
[19:45] <jcastro> shame really, I can do 2 1080p on twin monitors without breaking a sweat on mine
[19:46] <jono> reviews done!
[19:46] <jono> happiness returns
[19:46] <jono> :-)
[19:46] <jcastro> yay! I am fired!
[19:46] <kim0> hehehe
[19:46] <jcastro> you ever see fifth element?
[19:46] <jcastro> when bruce willis is eating and he gets mail
[19:47] <kim0> yeah hehe
[19:47] <jcastro> and it's like "open it for me, my day can't  get any worse"
[19:47] <jcastro> "you are fired!"
[19:47] <kim0> lol
[19:47] <kim0> then he jumps off the window or something hehe
[19:47] <jono> jcastro, dude, I wouldn't fire you in a performance review
[19:47] <jono> I would send you some flowers or something
[19:47] <jono> :-)
[19:48] <jcastro> "please take this Nickelback CD as a consolation prize"
[19:48] <jono> Dear Jorge, enjoy the rest of the Internet. Hugs, Jono xoxoxoxoxo
[19:48] <jono> lol
[19:48] <AlanBell> heh
[19:48] <jono> I wouldnt wish a Nickelback CD on anyone
[19:48] <jcastro> We have this joke
[19:48] <jcastro> that the local rock station plays nothing but nickelback
[19:48] <jcastro> and JUST NOW when I went to lunch
[19:49] <jcastro> nickelback
[19:49] <jcastro> I was like "come on, really."
[19:49] <jcastro> I can't even tell the songs apart, it's like the same song over and over.
[19:49] <jono> I would rather listen to the screams of a thousand seals being clubbed than listen to Nickelback
[19:49] <jono> oops, inside voice
[19:50] <jcastro> looks like someone took the rooster v. nickelback video now
[19:50] <jcastro> it would be entirely appropriate
[19:51] <jono> it would
[19:51] <jono> I couldnt find death metal rooster the other day
[19:52] <jono> jcastro, also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eco2vo78dc
[19:54] <jcastro> hahahaha
[19:55] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZiJ_C5T1M0&feature=fvwrel
[19:55] <jcastro> man, there's a bunch of these!
[19:57] <jono> jcastro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZNBcJTmWs
[19:58] <jcastro> omg
[19:58] <jcastro> omg
[19:59] <jcastro> who makes this
[19:59]  * jcastro cries
[20:00] <jono> jcastro, and lets not forget http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9CcotpUrB0&feature=related
[20:00] <jono> right, lunch for me
[20:07] <czajkowski> jcastro: pong
[20:08] <jcastro> hey bunch of updates yesterday
[20:08] <jcastro> still lens go boom?
[20:08] <czajkowski> jcastro: having problem booting that machine since updates this morning
[20:08] <czajkowski> :/
[20:08] <jcastro> O_O
[20:08] <czajkowski> just got in the door will boot to live cd to fix it once I order dinner
[20:09] <jcastro> cooh
[20:09] <czajkowski> it's take out friday and first day I'm home in 7 days. so no food in the gaff
[20:09] <jcastro> I'll be around for 2 hours still if you need help
[20:09] <jcastro> Then I am off to the museum!
[20:09] <czajkowski> jcastro: lovely jubbly
[20:09] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I like the idea of take-out friday
[20:09] <czajkowski> jcastro: off to see anything nice ?
[20:09] <czajkowski> Pendulum: I fancy chinese.
[20:09] <czajkowski> had a hankering for it all week
[20:09] <jcastro> czajkowski: yeah jill donated the restoration of a prehistoric whale rib in my name for my birthday
[20:10] <jcastro> so tonight all the donors get to see the full skeleton before the exhibit opens
[20:10] <Pendulum> jcastro: that's awesome
[20:10] <jcastro> and meet real paleontologists, etc.
[20:10] <jcastro> Pendulum: yeah I have like a certificate and stuff
[20:10] <jcastro> I will blog it
[20:10] <jcastro> so someone can remind me that it's not ubuntu related. :p
[20:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: oh that is deadly
[20:11] <czajkowski> so there are people like Ross out there :)
[20:11] <jcastro> greg-g: speaking of ....
[20:11] <czajkowski> dear chinese take out answer your phone! >:(
[20:11]  * czajkowski frowns at her inbox
[20:11] <jcastro> czajkowski: yeah only downside is that it's in greg's neck of the woods
[20:11] <czajkowski> yay for listadmin but bloody hell like
[20:11] <jcastro> so it's full oh homeless hippies
[20:11] <czajkowski> roflol
[20:12] <czajkowski> jcastro: ah my dear I do love you so, only you can get away with this stuff :)
[20:12] <jcastro> so you know how he's a cyclist right?
[20:12] <jcastro> so he rolls his pants up
[20:12] <jcastro> for the jam I saw him walking
[20:12] <jcastro> and we were looking for a place to park
[20:12] <czajkowski> my nose is still itchy went to Lush yesterday to buy bf a gift of bath balls for looking after me all week, I hate that god damn shop
[20:12] <jcastro> so I rolled my window and yelled "get a job hippie!"
[20:12] <jcastro> but he didn't hear me
[20:13] <jcastro> so when I parked I ran in and was upset that my master troll was unacknowledged
[20:13] <czajkowski> grin
[20:14] <jcastro> actually ann arbor is home to my rival college so I always just rip on them
[20:14] <jcastro> he just happens to live there
[20:14] <czajkowski> :)
[20:14] <czajkowski> 2hrs for chinese, this does not sit well with me at all
[20:15] <czajkowski> bugger
[20:43] <cjohnston> jcastro: is that bug ok for next UDS? a little late for this one
[20:43] <jcastro> cjohnston: next UDS for sure!
[20:43] <jcastro> sorry, I should have made that more clear
[20:46] <cjohnston> done
[20:46] <cjohnston> is there anything for this session that's needed?
[21:00] <cjohnston> jcastro: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/videographer/+merge/56023
[21:02] <jcastro> sure
[21:02] <cjohnston> jcastro: do you remember what you have to add to the end of the summit url to enter the ui scheduler?
[21:02] <jcastro> I don't have a strong feeling each way
[21:02] <jcastro> +edit?
[21:03] <cjohnston> nope
[21:03] <cjohnston> :-/
[21:04] <cjohnston> ?edit
[21:18] <greg-g> jcastro: ?
[21:21] <jcastro> greg-g: hey
[21:21] <jcastro> I'm in AA  tonite
[21:22] <greg-g> awesome, I have an event tonight: http://publishing.umich.edu/2011/04/04/copyright-criminals/
[21:22] <greg-g> which mean, unawesome, I won't be able to see you, probably
[21:23] <greg-g> I'm going to dinner with the speaker after the show, so like around 9pm.
[21:23] <jcastro> greg-g: it's ok, we have dinner at like 8
[21:23] <jcastro> so we can do a late thing perhaps?
[21:23] <jcastro> I'll just discreetly text you
[21:24] <greg-g> rock
[21:24] <greg-g> sounds perfect
[21:25] <jcastro> that does look awesome tho
[23:49] <Pici> ugh.
[23:53] <Pici> Phoronix posted a story today about us expelling one of our devs: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTMwNQ
[23:53] <Pici> 'ugh' is pretty much all I can say about this right now.
[23:57] <pleia2> typical one-sided poor reporting
[23:57] <pleia2> but for once we're not being criticised for not enforcing the CoC :)