[00:02] nope - pastel all springy [00:03] pleia2: seen Charlies latest mail? Worth posting to the fridge? [00:03] but the wallpaper boarder had some aubergine in it [00:03] popey: yeah, I think so since it'll be another couple of weeks [00:03] at least [00:03] would you be able to do that? [00:03] popey: I'll toss is up on my blog and x-post to fridge again [00:03] thanks! [00:04] pleia2, I've got a few minutes if you need me to post to the fridge [00:09] akgraner: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4237 that'd be great, I need to get back to work :) [00:11] :D [00:12] pleia2, on it :-) [00:13] ooooh I was going to chase for a wiki update [00:13] :) [00:13] i did that for you :) [00:14] you know what would be nice is a bot in here (like the one in #ubuntu-uk) which posts when new stuff hits planet ubuntu [00:14] i often find myself in here more than my rss reader [00:15] aaaaaaaaand sleep [00:15] yup sleep is good [00:15] night all o/ [00:17] Howdy, ya'll [00:17] Pendulum: hahaha, awww! :) [00:18] jcastro: also, michigan is for chumps [00:26] how does Unity do with dual monitors? [00:34] Technoviking: pretty awesome actually [00:35] much better than gnome 2.x [00:47] jcastro: still use nvidia-settings on a nvidia cards [00:48] for twinview? [00:48] yeah [00:48] but like, it puts the panels where they are supposed to go, etc. [00:51] paultag: I am frightened for this weekend [00:51] are there power settings in Natty? [00:51] Pendulum: :( [00:51] aren't you? [00:51] Pendulum: yeah, not stoked at all [00:51] sox are break'n my heart. [00:53] paultag: a beating brain might help that [00:53] mhall119: :) [00:53] mhall119: SO FREEKING AWESOME!!!!! [00:54] I'm still pretty sure they're not supposed to beat [00:54] Technoviking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/664614 [00:54] mhall119: they are [00:54] WHAT UP PAWLTUG [00:55] mhall119: they have huge veins that hook up to the jugular, it totally jiggles the mass inside like jello [00:55] heyya jcastro, just got out of surgery :) [00:55] O_O [00:55] everything's ok I hope [00:55] jcastro: brain work to remove a tumor [00:55] jcastro: Oh, I'm fine [00:55] jcastro: I was in there watching [00:55] did they remove the ohio out of you? [00:55] oh I see [00:56] jcastro: it was so boss. I had scrubs on and no one even looked twice at me [00:56] what about the guy you lobotomized, did he get a refund? [00:56] hahahaha [00:57] * mhall119 imagines paultag like http://xkcd.com/699/ [00:57] hahahahaha [00:57] mhall119: dude, it was so cool [00:57] so cool [00:57] I've not been this jacked up for a long damn time [00:57] why where you even in there? [00:57] mhall119: I was hanging out with the chair of radiology [00:58] at the cleveland clinic [00:58] and he was just like "Hey, you wanna go see some dude's brain?" [00:58] mhall119: .... yeah [00:58] mhall119: I also go to see some other awesome stuff [00:58] it was sweet [00:58] wait, I think I saw this episode of House [00:58] hahahaha [00:59] mhall119: the one where he pretends to be a doctor? [00:59] the wiseass CS major raids the OR for kicks on a week night [00:59] oh wait, that's all of them [00:59] ha! [00:59] lol [01:00] seriously though, did you successfully implant the tracking device? [01:00] mhall119: not so loud!!! [01:00] mhall119: also, I want to get an RFID inplant [01:01] so bad [01:01] you can just eat your passport [01:01] haha [01:02] it's okay, the TSA will still be able to get to it [01:02] those new security measures are thorough [01:02] they're up there anyway [01:05] paultag: Get my texts yesterday? ;) [01:05] nhandler: yeah, thanks! :) [01:06] good pick-me-up during the game :) [01:07] :) [01:45] there are some days one should just stay off the computer...:-/ [01:46] * Pendulum hugs akgraner [01:55] there are some days i wish i had a cluebat i could use over ssh [01:56] maco: let me know when it's working :) [01:58] jcastro: ping [01:58] yo [01:59] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/summit-qrcode.png what do you think of that? [01:59] ignore the "Crew: mhall119 [01:59] ignore the "Crew: mhall119", cause that's not actually gonna happen ;) [02:00] I had to resize the image, but I'm hoping once it's on those big screens, it'll be okay [02:01] I'm also going to make it a link, and maybe put the same link in the sub-nav, that points to a page with the paragraph from davidm [02:11] * cjohnston votes mhall119 for crew every day [02:12] (sorry got distracted) [02:12] mhall119: rock. and. roll. [02:14] I was too distracted by OMGgate part 2 [02:14] now what [02:14] jcastro: sed s/2/3/g [02:14] yep, 3 [02:14] http://twitpic.com/4i3htz [02:14] http://twitter.com/humphreybc [02:15] I didn't realise we were numbering them now [02:16] volley brawl, neckbeards, and evony-style [02:17] good grief - I usually don't even say anything...I just couldn't help it this time....grrrrrr [02:17] it really takes a lot to piss me off [02:18] and guess what I am right now.... [02:18] in need of a nice hot cup of chamomile? [02:18] maco: I think she needs that ssh cluebat [02:19] mhall119: omggate3 is why im requesting one! [02:19] I wonder [02:19] if someone could exploit some open CVE against ssh or something else [02:20] if you could re-write a driver and burn out core units on the mobo [02:20] I bet you could physcally ruin a machine remotely [02:20] most mobos will power down before heat damage won't they? [02:21] i once heard about a bug in osx wireless drivers that meant you could send specifically-corrupted packages at a macbook and own the nic [02:21] just add "sex sells" is now acceptable marketing for ubuntu and community building and why we are on it hell lets just make everyone objects - all the name of upsteam adoption of ubuntu... [02:21] I'm done...laters... [02:22] * Pendulum hugs akgraner [02:32] I haven't seen the tweets but if it has akgraner this upset... [02:33] IdleOne: look at maco's links above and you'll get some sense [02:33] yeah looking now [02:33] Why are we still surprised by this stuff from OMG? [02:34] IdleOne: because the editor who posted this is an Ubuntu Member. [02:34] not that I'm getting involved [02:34] well, I'm not surprised by it from him [02:34] because I'm not [02:34] Pendulum: not at all, but the fact he broke CoC is nasty. [02:34] paultag: he is still an Ubuntu member? [02:34] IdleOne: IIRC, ja [02:35] paultag: he's been doing it for most of a year. I don't know why we expect him to change [02:35] something to be remedied if you ask me [02:35] +1 [02:36] I think he is a stain on our community [02:36] time to use bleach [02:36] worth talking about, for sure [02:36] im kinda surprised nothing was done after the neckbeards incident [02:36] aye. [02:36] jono dealt with it IIRC [02:37] pfft [02:37] the effectiveness is questionable [02:37] fat lot of good that did, he's still doing it [02:37] much love to jono, of course [02:37] my point being, he dealt with it at the time and AFAIK it wasn't brought to the CC [02:37] He is right about sex selling but that doesn't mean Ubuntu has to use that sells tactic or that an Ubuntu member should. [02:37] sales* [02:39] how does your browser know if you're male or female btw [02:39] jcastro: it don't [02:39] jcastro: that's a facebook ad [02:39] Facebook knows [02:39] jcastro: and facebook uses your personal data to target ads [02:39] oh I see [02:39] WEBCAMS! [02:39] heh [02:40] I loved his 'lesbians will get it too' as a defense [02:40] facebook knows everything [02:40] paultag is just angry about the neckbeards thing still [02:40] I'm sorry, but this lesbian would not be interested in that girl ;-) [02:40] jcastro: dude, did you see that sick neckbeard that I was rocking at OLF? [02:40] jcastro: I planned that so hard [02:40] Pendulum: I think that was technical clarification, since presumably facebook lets you target "Females interested in Females" [02:40] paultag: yes, I was kind of making fun of you the whole time [02:41] jcastro: well I did it for a reason there jabroni, I was going for the offchance someone would get a photo and yell "OMG NECKBEARD" [02:41] And if that happend, I'd sit back and giggle quietly to myself [02:41] mhall119: no, it was part of his defense. that they had the one with a pic of a man that was for straight women & gay men and the women one for straight men & lesbians and therefore it was okay because everyone was covered [02:41] Pendulum: well yeah, I got that part too [02:42] my point being that pic totally would not work for the lesbian market :) [02:42] (at least not for most of the ones I know) [02:42] I think he was just showing that he had taken more into consideration that just "OMG, hot chicks" [02:42] Pendulum: nor, likely, would the pic of the guy they used [02:42] yeah [02:43] heck, for all I know, the pic of the girl wouldn't be attractive to a large number of straight males [02:43] Pendulum: now for the gay men / straight women one... i mean, are we talking a twink or a leather daddy? or the sort of gay man the HRC tends to represent? [02:43] I also don't think they actually did take more into consideration that 'OMG, hot hicks' [02:43] maco: looks more HRC-ish [02:43] *chicks [02:43] Have you watched TV recently? People make careers out of objectifying people. What we're doing is nothing new. [02:43] ugh I need to close my browser [02:44] IdleOne: yes, good idea. [02:44] hrc? [02:45] So how/where/to whom does one make a complaint about an Ubuntu member? [02:45] mhall119: the Human Rights Campaign, one of the equal marriage lobbying groups [02:45] IdleOne: CC [02:45] IdleOne: lay chill. Get a few people to write in together [02:46] mhall119: they market pretty exclusively to the white upper-middle class cismale segment of LGBTQ [02:46] IdleOne: best think it out and put something nice together [02:46] paultag: I was just thinking that we can all sign a mutual complaint [02:46] IdleOne: I was just saying that in PM [02:46] IdleOne: I'd sign. [02:46] maco: cismale and cisfemale [02:46] well, I tend to get a little to emotional in these types of situations [02:46] Pendulum: i dont recall seeing many women in their promotional photos and such [02:47] IdleOne: aye. Someone should write up a complaint of breech of CoC and general disregard of `ubuntu', and sign it with @ubuntu.com'ers [02:48] maco: I know a lot of lesbians who do a lot of work with them so I've always assumed that they're also a target [02:48] does this mean GPG signatures? [02:48] paultag: perhaps a petition ? [02:48] maco: I think so [02:48] IdleOne: aye [02:48] hmm LP has polls again right? [02:49] IdleOne: no [02:49] Pendulum: looking at their site, i do see a bunch of women in photos, so alrighty [02:49] LP needs a unlike button [02:49] :) [02:50] their photos are so frequently "we need someone that won't scare the straight people away from giving us money by representing the actual diversity of our community" [02:50] i remember one of my friends snapping "Do YOU have a moment for TRANS rights?!" at an HRC person when they asked if she had a moment for gay rights [02:51] maco: was this one of those street fundraiser people? [02:51] yes [02:51] because they're probably not actually employed by the HRC [02:51] most of the canvassing jobs are done through agencies [02:51] maco: true it's kinda shitty to be so white-bread about it, but at least someone's doing something for LGBTQ rights [02:52] paultag: there's also the Gay & Lesbian Task Force [02:52] (who, btw, *don't* shy away from trans issues) [02:52] maco: I know. I'm just saying [02:52] maco: they're better then someone who won't talk about it [02:52] not defending them [02:52] just saying [03:19] morning [07:44] * AlanBell adds to his list of unwise things humphreybc has done [07:48] however I am not sure I am very cross about this one [07:56] good morning all [08:01] AlanBell: haha! i was just looking at your Unity bug and thought, what happened to AlanBell, grammar is all weird and then realized it was Alex Bell :D [08:02] heh [08:02] he needs to learn to talk propper, like wot I do [08:02] :) [08:09] hehe [08:17] good morning [08:17] morning dholbach [08:17] hey AlanBell [09:05] morning o/ [09:52] when I google for pages on the ubuntu wiki... the kubuntu wiki seems to always be at the top of the results [09:52] http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=CommunityCouncilAgenda [09:52] i see wiki.ubuntu.org at the top [09:54] popey: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommunityCouncilAgenda [09:54] maybe sorted alphabetically? [09:54] page title is still Ubuntu Wiki there [09:54] dholbach: heh [09:55] popey: funny, I always get edubuntu wiki [10:05] jussi: i think we both use the same google :) [10:06] :D [10:08] that is because the canonical link is not set [10:09] ^ small c [10:09] off by one :( [10:09] * jussi wishes he had popey's google :P [10:09] <3 kubuntu [10:11] I talked to newz2000 about it and investigated writing a moin plugin of some sort to insert it [10:11] it has to go in the section so that would be a different type of plugin to one that rewrites stuff in the content area [10:11] maybe it is a g.co.uk/g.co.us/g.com thing? [10:11] still perfectly doable, if someone wants to do it [10:12] It was going to use wiki.ubuntu.com by default but kubuntu.org for everything matching /kubuntu* and edubuntu for /edubuntu* [10:14] http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html and you can now do cross domain canonical links (which is what it needs) [10:15] http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/12/handling-legitimate-cross-domain.html [10:21] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016351.html [10:21] comments _welcome_ [10:29] popey: one thing that occured to me, is you may want to find a generic linux list, or $other list for these people to be "accomodated"/pointed at - so as we dont get an influx of randomness to other lists. [10:30] good call. [10:30] http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists [10:30] that one looks perfect [10:30] healthy dose of sarcasm implied [10:34] hehe [10:57] :( apparently I want to shutdown sounder because I have been found out [10:58] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016353.html [11:02] hi all [11:02] nigelb, [11:05] hello [11:05] how are things here? [11:05] aloha [11:05] * koolhead17 kicks nigelb [11:06] hey czajkowski === daker_ is now known as daker [11:36] hi popey [11:43] ohai koolhead17 [11:44] :) [11:45] nigelb, whats up? [11:45] who is collecting goodies for natty release in india? [12:54] * dholbach packs his stuff and works the rest from home today [12:54] see you later [12:59] jussi: HAHAHAHA 'isn't that the definition of #ubuntu-offtopic' :D [12:59] :D [13:00] lol [13:01] jussi: thank you for the laugh this morning :) [13:01] Pendulum: you are most welcome. [13:02] Im glad its been appreciated :) [13:03] jussi: Its 5 pm, and I was almost falling asleep. Thanks for the wake up :) [13:03] *5:30 [13:04] I would really like someone to explain how to setup bugzilla on ubuntu. *grumble* [13:05] jussi: take notes while you flounder around, will be helpful for the next person :) [13:12] oh lol, I was just going to the wrong address! :D [13:46] nigelb, jussi: i liked that one too [13:46] :) [13:48] jcastro: Do you know of a wiki that documents Unit's key combinations? I'd like to put together a graphic aid. [13:51] doctormo, jcastro doesn't use wikis any more - "it's all on askubuntu" [13:51] jcastro: Do you know of a wiki that documents Unit's key combinations? I'd like to put together a graphic aid. [13:51] sorry if that's a repeat, empathy hic-up [13:52] dholbach: Even the askubuntu wiki is on askubuntu questions? ;-) [13:52] eh? [13:52] dholbach: askubuntu has a wiki and you can migrate questions over to it [13:52] doctormo: there's the askubuntu bit [13:52] There are a bunch of badges you can earn for doing it too. [13:53] I'm sure I'll go to hell for it (or something), but I never posted anything on askubuntu - so I'm clearly the wrong person :) [13:53] there will be something on the Accessibility wiki as soon as I get a chance to sit down and do it [13:53] (so not this morning, maybe later today/over the weekend) [13:53] Pendulum: If you can get me the raw info, I can have print out done in time for release. [13:54] doctormo: I only have the same info as is on the askubuntu question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts [13:55] Pendulum: That's the raw info, thank you for getting it me :-) [13:56] dholbach: Nah, you won't go to hell, but jcastro won't be buying you drinks anymore :P [14:11] * popey taps his watch [14:11] where's that jono guy [14:16] attending collab summit [14:17] ahhhhh [14:17] * popey spies a jcastro [14:28] Um. [14:28] Is there a CC'er about? [14:28] Or an IRCCer? [14:29] jussi was around till a while back [14:29] mm? [14:29] aha [14:29] popey: Do you have a moment for a pm? [14:30] yes [14:51] jcastro, was the Call for Participation for Open week ok? [14:51] and do you want me to go ahead and send it or do you want to do that? [14:51] * koolhead17 raises his hand to give his introduction [14:57] 'lo all [14:58] heh [15:07] akgraner: yeah it was awesome [15:07] i will send it out today [15:25] akgraner: mail sent! [15:25] akgraner: now we sit back and let the money roll in! [15:25] sweet! yay! [15:25] ha we'll be robbing banks before the start of the event as you'll voluntell someone I am sure ;-) [15:27] We'll get this on the fridge and I'll post it other places sometime today :-) [15:28] * popey adds it to the podcast for tuesday === Pici is now known as Guest95063 [15:34] thanks popey! [15:36] np === Pici` is now known as Pici [15:44] jcastro: is Workspace Switcher consider a lens? [15:44] I don't think so [15:44] good question [15:44] let me ask [15:45] lens? [15:46] maco: unity places thingy that jcastro has been talking about for AGES! [15:46] um, ok [15:46] Technoviking: no response yet, but I'm going to say no [15:47] since it's not a view on data [15:47] I think it's just special, like the trash can [15:47] sorry, RUBBISH BIN. [15:47] what i know of natty so far on the gnome side: if gtk theming fails and it looks all windows98, it turns out Ubiquity DOES have accelerators on the forward/back/quit buttons [15:47] \o/ RUBBISH [15:48] also, onscreen keyboards can't type in the unity search bar apparently [15:48] and um, theres a new wallpaper. the end. [15:48] (at least, i think thats a different wallpaper...) [15:48] lol! [15:49] I sat my wife down in front of unity [15:49] determined to just watch how she uses it [15:49] and I was like "this is all new, so I am going to watch" [15:49] she immediately right clicks and just goes through the wallpapers. [15:49] sets the one she wants [15:49] haha [15:49] then went to facebook [15:50] I was like "what about the rest of it?" [15:50] "oh yeah, cute" [15:50] thats a great idea [15:50] I might do the same with my wife [15:50] bet she does the same [15:50] all that work and all she did was launch chrome and move on with her life [15:50] ok, i did notice that the menubar i <3'd in gnome before is gone, replaced with that annoyng everything-shoved-into-one-tall-and-cluttered-menu thing [15:50] it took me like 3 hours to upgrade that nettop too [15:50] maco: that got fixed back [15:50] yay! [15:50] to how it used to be [15:51] wait when? [15:51] i was using wednesday's daily live iso [15:52] maco: yesterdayish [15:54] jcastro: making a wishlist bug for Workspace Switcher, this make sense? "The Workspace Switcher icon should change its highlight to show what desktop you are currently using." [15:54] when applications launch in unity they seem to be 1px too far to the left and knock the sidebar out of the way [15:54] Technoviking: yeah, tag it low and wishlist [15:54] is that intentional or flipping annoying? [15:54] Technoviking: confirmed, it's not a lens [15:54] Technoviking: I would prefer if the icon didn't look like a terminal, heh [15:54] cool thanls [15:55] AlanBell: that was fixed yesterday [15:55] popey filed that as a bug iirc [15:55] ah ok [15:55] and terminals would launch up and underneath the panel too [15:55] also fixed [15:55] everyone should update today, all new unity stack yesterday [15:55] (there will be one monday too) [15:55] that was obviously something that is particularly irritating to people in their 30s called Alan who live in Surrey [15:56] you both live in Surrey? [15:56] hey, just like harry potter! [15:56] * maco ducks [15:56] almost walking distance [15:56] well it is walking distance if you like long walks [15:57] i can see surrey from my house [15:57] but I am not in it [15:57] so can Sarah Palin [15:57] so did we get popey to package etherpad yet? [15:57] Oh, I see [15:57] also, elmo mentioned that there was a session on summit? does anyone remember that? [15:57] did we establish what "package" means yet? [15:57] I think you mistyped "popey" [15:57] you meant to type "daviey", clearly! [15:58] man if I would have known all we needed was to package it I would have bothered daviey every day for 6 months [15:58] popey: lol [15:58] popey: sorry, I actually meant daviey [15:58] sorry [15:58] :D [15:58] of course [15:58] jcastro: there is a .deb file, does that mean it is packaged? [15:58] we are so alike in every way [15:58] same laptops [15:58] [16:00] not that I would ever speak for elmo [16:00] lets get it on the CD \o/ [16:00] (in public). [16:00] put an icon on the desktop [16:01] installed by default? [16:01] ok, so rolling back a bit, Daviey what are the prospects of getting it building in a PPA? [16:01] jcastro, can we get a unity widget for it? [16:01] AlanBell, slow. [16:01] can that even happen if it depends on sun java? [16:01] because of ogre stuff [16:01] I'm actually not sure it does still depend on sun. [16:01] has anyone tried it with openjdk? [16:01] I think it is now openjdk compatiable. [16:02] the existing packaging asks for sun [16:02] when it was first open sourced, it wouldn't run on openjdk [16:02] unity widget? [16:02] no, etherpad [16:03] jcastro: we were joking [16:03] get it in a ppa -> main -> on the cd -> on the desktop -> unity widget [16:03] oh [16:03] etherpad council [16:03]