[00:29] <dmandell> So I figured out that if I want to spawn multiple windows from the launcher I have to open the trash window and then switch.  It's annoying.  Especially because there's no other way through the GUI to launch Nautilus.
[15:57]  * skaet waves
[15:59] <zul> hi
[15:59]  * joshuahoover waves
[15:59]  * Riddell photons
[15:59] <Riddell> (it made the physicists laugh)
[15:59] <cjwatson> *groan*
[15:59] <leoquant> lo
[15:59]  * cjwatson runs Riddell through a double-slit experiment
[16:00] <skaet> lol
[16:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is skaet.
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[16:00]  * pitti waves
[16:00] <skaet> hi all
[16:00] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[16:00] <skaet> .
[16:00] <skaet> Agenda is at:
[16:00] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-04-08
[16:00] <skaet> .
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-04-08
[16:00] <skaet> Milestoned bugs for beta 2 can be found:
[16:00] <skaet> [LINK]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=38691
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=38691
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Milestoned bugs for 11.04 release can be found:
[16:01] <skaet>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33569
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Upcoming Significant Dates:
[16:01] <skaet> 11.04 Beta Freeze: April 11, 2011 (0900 UTC)
[16:01] <skaet> 11.04 Beta 2: April 14, 2011
[16:01] <skaet> 11.04 Release Date: April 28, 2011
[16:02] <skaet> Lots of bugs and interesting things to discuss, so unless there are questions about the release dates,  will move directly on to round table.
[16:02] <Riddell> skaet: week days would be useful on Upcoming Significant Dates, saves me having to look them up
[16:02] <skaet> Riddell,  good suggestion.
[16:02] <skaet> will add next time.
[16:03] <skaet> Freeze is monday, btw.  ;)
[16:03] <skaet> ..
[16:03] <ogasawara> skaet: is there a specific time on monday?
[16:03] <skaet> ogaswara,  ^^ (0900 UTC)
[16:04]  * skaet looks around, and figures time to move on.... ;)
[16:05] <skaet> [Topic] QA team update -  jibel
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update -  jibel
[16:05] <jibel> hi all
[16:05] <skaet> :)
[16:05] <jibel> Natty Beta-2 Work Items
[16:05] <jibel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa
[16:05] <jibel> hggdh still blocked due to lack of working UEC since after Alpha 2. Blocked on Critical bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/746751
[16:05] <jibel> Daviey, Hallyn, and hggdh are working on it
[16:06] <jibel>  * QA Dashboard
[16:06] <jibel>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:06] <jibel>  As last week linux, unity, compiz are in both last day and last 7 days top 5
[16:06] <jibel>  * Testing status:
[16:06] <jibel>  Desktop Automated Testing results
[16:06] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:06] <jibel>    2D: 83% pass / Unity: 76% pass
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:06] <jibel> List of bugs found is at the bottom of page. Still cleaning the list of tests that generates false positives
[16:07] <jibel>  Server Automated Testing results
[16:07] <jibel>  http://204.236.234.12/view/ISO-server-Natty/?
[16:07] <jibel>  1 failure because of a bug with the testing system (LP: #751297)
[16:07] <jibel>  http://204.236.234.12:8080/view/natty-desktop/?
[16:08] <jibel> no failure with alternate. desktop test disabled, a fix is committed and being tested with yesterday and today's iso.
[16:08] <jibel>  Automatic Upgrade Testing
[16:08] <jibel> http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/
[16:08] <jibel>  * python-all has some python import failures, but they look like false positives mostly, mvo will dig into that
[16:08] <jibel>  * bug 744831: main-all has a file overwrite problem with the langpacks that is fix-commited. According to comment 3 "The next -base langpack build will have this fixed (for beta-2)."
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/
[16:08] <jibel> Overlay Scrollbar testing:
[16:08] <jibel>  * 50 results received / 3 bugs reported
[16:08] <jibel>  * Report available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestingReport/OverlayScrollbar_NattyBeta1
[16:10] <jibel> Boot performance: We stopped the boot performance bug filing to the focus on Unity.
[16:10] <jibel> ..
[16:10] <skaet> Thanks jibel!   Lots of good data there,  agree priority is fixing natty bugs over boot performance (unfortunately).   Couple of questions:
[16:10] <skaet> Do we have the incoming bug numbers trending down on the bugs coming in?   (is worst of beta surge over?)
[16:10] <skaet> How many of the desktop bugs not passing (2D-17%, unity-24%) are estimated to be test failures, vs. actual failures?
[16:12] <skaet> if you want to answer later, we can circle back later?
[16:12] <jibel> 21 tests failures are false positives in 2d and approximately the same test in unity.
[16:12] <jibel> it's around 30% of the failures.
[16:12] <jibel> I don't have the answer to question 1 on the top of my mind.
[16:13] <skaet> ok,  lets come back to that at the end.
[16:13] <skaet> thatn's for the data on the false positives.
[16:13] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:13] <skaet> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[16:13] <ara> o/
[16:14] <skaet> hiya ara
[16:14] <ara> I will be representing the hw cert team this week :)
[16:14] <ara> This week (and next one), the hardware certification team, is running the full certification testing suite against the systems that are scheduled to be certified for 11.04. This is a great team effort that it is already paying off.
[16:14] <ara> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=blocks-hwcert
[16:14] <ara> We are tagging the bugs as "blocks-hwcert" and we hope these will get the needed attention in order to get as many fixed as possible before release (or in an early SRU).
[16:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=blocks-hwcert
[16:14] <ara> This is how the coverage looks so far:
[16:14] <ara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/natty-testing/natty_beta1.html
[16:14] <ara> We will keep testing the Beta1 image with the remaining systems.
[16:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/natty-testing/natty_beta1.html
[16:14] <ara> ..
[16:15] <skaet> Thanks ara!
[16:15] <skaet> I'll go look at the actual data after meeting - is the overall picture positive or do we have some blockers starting to show?
[16:16] <ara> skaet, there are some systems that won't pass certification in 11.04 if the bugs are not addressed :(
[16:17] <ara> skaet, and the list of bugs will probably grow as we continue testing
[16:17] <skaet> understand.
[16:17] <skaet> what % of the tested systems won't pass certification at this point?
[16:17]  * skaet is seeing a fair bit of red on that chart....
[16:18] <ara> skaet, not that bad, I don't have the exact numbers though
[16:19] <skaet> ara,  ok,  thanks.  we'll move on then now.
[16:19] <ara> skaet, I will generate them if you're interested when the run is finished
[16:19] <skaet> thanks.  understanding impact of problem helps.
[16:20] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:20] <skaet> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:20] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:20] <skaet> :)
[16:20] <jdstrand> Sorry for missing last week, I was on holiday.
[16:20] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:20] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:20] <jdstrand> Since I brought it up last time I was here, I thought I'd mention that wrt the FTBFS in natty, I see that main is looking quite good, but universe and multiverse are still fairly scary (based on http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110329-natty.html).
[16:21] <jdstrand> aiui, http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/broken-srcs-universe.txt shows which universe FTBFS packages are the result of the multiarch changes.
[16:21] <jdstrand> that list is less scary
[16:21] <jdstrand> All work items tied to the release process are completed. We are pleased to see that upstream thinks they know what the problem is wrt bug #663294. We fixed a couple of milestoned bugs (see the above report), but as usual, team has been focusing primarily on stable release updates.
[16:21] <jdstrand> I also had a question on the hardy desktop EOL, but not sure I should ask it now, in this meeting or somewhere else.
[16:21] <jdstrand> ..
[16:22] <skaet> thanks jdstrand!  hardy desktop EOL announce email is to be sent out.
[16:22] <skaet> its on my todo.
[16:23] <jdstrand> skaet: ok-- and that is also for the end of april, no?
[16:23] <pitti> jdstrand: doko just handed us a test binutils for that, Chris is testing it right now
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> yep :)
[16:23] <jdstrand> pitti: awesome :)
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to drink beer tonight if it works
[16:24] <skaet> jdstrand,  yes, but natty release + hardy EOL + karmic EOL on same week isn't feasible workload,  so I'm staggering out the EOLs until after.
[16:24] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: and especially awesome to you for all the analysis and reduced test case :)
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> :)
[16:24] <skaet> +1
[16:25] <jdstrand> skaet: ok. there are support costs wrt security updates when delaying EOL announcements though...
[16:25] <skaet> jdstrand, understand.  will discuss with you offline.
[16:25] <jdstrand> ok. that's it from me
[16:26] <skaet> [Topic] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[16:26] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:26] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:26] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html
[16:26] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:26] <ogasawara> All remaining work items are not release critical and should start moving to completion.  We recently uploaded the linux-2.6.38-8.41 kernel which most notably contains patches to allow powerpc to boot once again.  With Kernel Freeze next week, we plan to do our final kernel upload on Monday to allow enough time for builds to complete by Thursday.  Announcements regarding kernel freeze have been posted to the Ubuntu kerne
[16:26] <ogasawara> l-team mailing list as well as in the weekly kernel-team IRC meeting.  Any bug fixes which have not landed by Monday will be subject to SRU.
[16:26] <ogasawara> An update on the bugs noted in the agenda is as follows:
[16:26] <ogasawara> #508516 This is a BIOS bug, workaround exists by setting nohz=off and highres=off.  See comment #94 for release notes blurb. Set linux task to Won't Fix.
[16:26] <ogasawara> #539467 SATA alpm is now disabled in userspace, possible fix for Nvidia mcp65 controllers when in minimal power mode has been tested with positive feedback; Those still experiencing issues but with a different controller have been instructed to file new bugs.
[16:26] <ogasawara> #542660 Testing with v2.6.38 final still problematic.  Unfortunately, the tester appears to have sold the hw.
[16:26] <ogasawara> #608312 Patches pushed upstream but no response.  Kernel dev to re-test and confirm against Natty and submit patches to Ubuntu kernel-team mailing list if still needed.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #625364 Some comments indicate this has been resolved with a recent kernel update.  Still waiting confirmation from the original bug reporter.  Other subscribers/reporters may have a slightly different issue and confirmed that switching to vt1 and back on suspend mitigates the issue.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #634487 Kernel dev able to reproduce, currently under further investigation.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #674984 Awaiting confirmation this exists against Natty.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #686388 Test kernel built.  However, there are known issues with the proposed patches when on a macbook.  Call for testing with non-macbook hw.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #710738 Asked for testing to confirm the issue remains with the latest 2.6.38-8.41 kernel.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #712075 Partial fix in place, testing requested with 2.6.38 final kernel;  Remaining issue not release critical.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #719620 Investigation pointed to this being a BIOS bug.  Reporter going to try to upgrade the BIOS to see if this helps.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #720949 Assigned to kernel dev, currently under investigation.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #746751 Upon further investigation this does not appear to be kernel related but rather an issue with eucalyptus.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #747090 Currently under investigation.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #750649 Working on getting this assigned and under investigation.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #753071 Pull request Nack'd on the mailing list.  With the majority of the code not being upstream, this presents a maintenance burden as well as the fact that it brings in a large amount of change on the eve of kernel freeze.  Won't Fix at the moment.
[16:27] <ogasawara> #731878 We've isolated the bad commit and are currently tracking the upstream discussion regarding the issue.  We plan to revert the commit if no solution is found prior to kernel freeze.
[16:27] <ogasawara> Phew, any questions?
[16:27] <ogasawara> ..
[16:27] <cjwatson> if you can give me an idea of what time Monday, that would be useful.  I'll have to refresh installer images, and beta-2 CD builds will be gated on that (at least).
[16:28] <doko> please expect a (non-code changing) gcc-4.5 upload over the weekend
[16:28] <ogasawara> cjwatson: now that I hear we'll freeze the archive at 0900UTC, I'm inclined to upload on sunday instead.
[16:28] <cjwatson> that's easier from my end, as long as it works for you
[16:28] <cjwatson> however it sounds like it'll need to go after the gcc-4.5 build
[16:28] <ogasawara> cjwatson: works better for me actually, I don't like to cut it close
[16:29] <ogasawara> doko: gcc takes at least a day to build, can you upload today or saturday?
[16:29]  * skaet likes ogasawara attitude ;)
[16:29] <pitti> oh, 0900 UTC on Monday? seems I missed that
[16:29] <skaet> pitti, was on release mail list discussion, and agenda. ;)
[16:30] <doko> ogasawara: I'll upload as soon as possible, but not before the new binutils is in the archive
[16:30] <ogasawara> doko: is there an ETA for that?
[16:30] <doko> scroll back, waiting for feedback
[16:31] <ogasawara> doko: ack, can you ping me so I have a heads up when you've uploaded.
[16:31] <doko> and as I did say, it's a *non-code changing* upload
[16:31] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!   Will go through the detailed status and get with you offline if specific questions.
[16:32]  * skaet looks around for o/ ...   
[16:32] <skaet> moving on then.
[16:32] <skaet> [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:33] <cjwatson> Status: Drowning in bugs as far as the meeting agenda is concerned.  On the other hand, most of them aren't actually that important.  The important ones in my opinion are:
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 663294 - upstreamed by Matthias, looks as though upstream knows what the problem is so we should have a fix soon
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 683355 - plan here is to use grub-mount (from an upstream branch) to do true read-only mounts without needing to replay journals - Colin has this sort of working and is debugging it into existence
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 711926 - only speculation on this so far
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 728088 - this showed up in ISO testing, but Colin can't reproduce it.  Help wanted!
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 728531 - new headline feature in upstart that needs to be fixed up.  James has a fix in testing, which is looking good so far
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 732149 - reproduced, debugging in (slow) progress
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 741304 - another ISO testing bug; partially fixed, but apparently this wasn't sufficient
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 743136 - fix previously attempted, but we need to try again
[16:33] <cjwatson> bug 746758 - Evan has been swearing at this for most of the week, but I believe is still working on it
[16:33] <cjwatson> The good news is that Wubi's fixed, we finally have an EOL landing web page, and in general the resolution rate continues to be high.  We just have a lot coming in as well.
[16:33] <cjwatson> Finally, a worthwhile thing to know for the next release: http://twitter.com/#!/WeAreFact/status/56348015618834433
[16:34] <cjwatson> ..
[16:35] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson!
[16:35] <skaet> sorry about letting some cruft in on the agenda.
[16:35] <doko> test rebuilds still running, will expect to file the remaining bug reports this weekend
[16:35] <skaet> and *\o/* on wubi working!
[16:36] <cjwatson> doko: thanks - are you planning to milestone any/all?
[16:36] <cjwatson> (IIRC you said "yes, once they're done")
[16:36] <doko> cjwatson: the script doesn't yet support milestoning :-/
[16:37] <cjwatson> if you give me a batch of bug numbers then I can script it
[16:37] <cjwatson> if that's what you want to have happen
[16:37] <doko> anyway, if somebody has a script template ...
[16:37] <cjwatson> and give you the resulting interactive session for future reference :-)
[16:37] <cjwatson> (I tend to make stuff up on the fly in lp-shell(1))
[16:38] <doko> we'll sort it out later
[16:38] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:38] <skaet> [Topic] Server team update - zul
[16:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - zul
[16:39] <zul> hi
[16:39] <zul> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/
[16:39] <zul> The burn down chart looks really good. We are currently bug squashing mode. The new gamma release for Opentack will be uploaded today. The only new outstanding bug is 747498, which is pending on the landscape team testing the patch but will uploaded to the archive today. Other than that things are looking pretty good.
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/
[16:39] <zul> Bugs still in progress
[16:39] <zul> * 728088 - debian-installer - iscsi root (amd64) with or without auth fails to boot
[16:39] <zul>     Someone needs to retest.
[16:39] <zul> * 717166 - Eucalyptus - Broken with v4 isc-dhcp-server in Natty
[16:39] <zul>     Marked as invalid its a bug in dhcp.
[16:39] <zul> * 580319 - dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start
[16:39] <zul>     Assigned to JamesHunt
[16:39] <zul> * 727200 [MIR] lxcguest in main
[16:39] <zul>     Pending MIR review
[16:39] <zul> ...
[16:40] <zul> I think we are in pretty good shape
[16:40] <cjwatson> iscsi: it's not so much retesting, as either "help cjwatson to reproduce it" or "fix it" :-)
[16:40] <zul> cjwatson: ah ill see if i can try to reproduce it
[16:40] <cjwatson> somebody's reproduced with a hardy ietd, but I don't propose to set that up - in any case I rather suspect it isn't server-version-specific
[16:42] <skaet> thanks zul.   what about the other bugs on agenda?
[16:42] <zul> skaet: err...i need to have a look
[16:42] <skaet> can you go through them asynch,  and make sure they're all valid and prioritieze correctly?
[16:43] <skaet> prioritized even..
[16:43] <zul> skaet: yeah the powernap one was just fixed i think as well
[16:43] <skaet> cool.
[16:44] <skaet> I'll move on then...
[16:44] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop team update - pitti
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti
[16:44] <pitti> General status:
[16:44] <pitti>  * Nothing noteworthy since last week; bug fixing going on with full steam.
[16:45] <pitti>  * Unity team asked for uploading a final flush of bug fixes on Monday, can we fit that in?
[16:45] <pitti> Blueprint implementation:
[16:45] <pitti>  * On track for entire cycle
[16:45] <pitti>  * Remaining work for Natty:
[16:45] <pitti>   * [packageselection-desktop-n-firefox-4] Some remaining porting to xulrunner-2.0/webkit: At this point this will probably mean to drop most of the remaining stuff from the archive
[16:45] <pitti>   * Today we did the final decisions about the remaining xulrunner rdepends, looks like we can actually get rid of both 1.9.2 and 2.0 by final (which is pretty much a must for our own sanity)
[16:45] <pitti>   * Various "test that this works", discuss user testing
[16:45] <pitti> RC bugs:
[16:45] <pitti>  * Slew of new bug reports from beta-1, as expected
[16:45] <pitti>  * details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs
[16:45] <pitti>  * biggest blocker here is bug 663294, but we just got a test binutils from doko which will hopefully resolve that without having to resort to workarounds like using gcc-4.4
[16:45] <pitti>  * The others are not blocked and are just a time/manpower issue
[16:45] <pitti> njpatel | I will buy many beers, can we push freeze time to 11:00 UTC or something?
[16:45] <pitti> ..
[16:45] <skaet> Thanks pitti!
[16:45] <skaet> in terms of unity drop on monday
[16:46] <skaet> probably a question of how late you're willing to work (or slangasek)
[16:46] <skaet> and how much else is still landing
[16:46] <dbarth> note that the offer for beer stands and can be doubled
[16:46] <pitti> I had assumed starting to test the Tuesday images would be enough, or do you think it's too late?
[16:47] <pitti> we didn't get structural changes in the last week, after all
[16:47] <pitti> or building them at 1300 UTC then
[16:47] <pitti> (on Monday)
[16:47] <skaet> pitti,  given the wubi testinging not working up til now,  would like the QA team to have images to start sniff testing as soon as possible.
[16:47] <pitti> skaet: that should be fine
[16:47] <pitti> first round of images Monday morning, next ones Tuesday morning?
[16:48] <pitti> so we can accept OMG, really safe, and unity during Monday?
[16:48] <skaet> jibel,  will that work for you?
[16:48] <pitti> (totally +1 for freezing during that time, and only doing manual review, of course)
[16:49] <jibel> skaet, yes, that's fine.
[16:49] <skaet> ok,  everthing else is 0900,   unity is 1300.
[16:49] <skaet> that will give us a set of images to start the sniff testing on, and find the OMG's
[16:49] <njpatel> We'll be available for any criticals you guys need fixing too, didrocks and seb128 have been alerting them to us as usual but even after release, we only have Unity to focus on right now
[16:49] <pitti> skaet: sounds good
[16:50] <njpatel> skaet, pitti , thank you :)
[16:50] <skaet> and then hopefully have the tuesday images AM for the final validation.
[16:50] <seb128> skaet, thanks
[16:50] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[16:50] <didrocks> yeah, got it, thanks :)
[16:50]  * skaet notes that AM is pitti and jibel AM for the images,  not skaet am ;)
[16:50] <dbarth> right, thanks guys
[16:50] <pitti> oh, another thing
[16:51] <pitti> bug 725434 is the other "interesting" one on our list
[16:51] <pitti> we have thrown around splitting the package etc., but it's all opening a can of worms
[16:51] <skaet> :(
[16:51] <pitti> summary is that at this point we have to screw wayland to unscrew Nvidia users
[16:51] <pitti> as wayland at this point is a developer only thing, but there are millions of nvidia users out there
[16:51] <pitti> so we'll have to rever the EGL support from cairo
[16:52] <pitti> as we can't fix the nvidia driver
[16:52] <pitti> and instead provide it in a PPA
[16:52] <pitti> this will also mean to break wayland in ubuntu without the PPA, though
[16:52] <skaet> thanks for raising,  yes, that makes sense (unfortunately).
[16:52] <skaet> nvidia drivers working is priority.
[16:53] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:53] <skaet> [Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:53] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:53] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:53] <joshuahoover> details on where we're at with our natty work and releases are in the link above
[16:53] <joshuahoover> UI FFE #733327 was released just a bit ago
[16:53] <joshuahoover> we'll be doing more package releases early next week that will take care of the rest of the bugs linked to in the list above
[16:54] <joshuahoover> and that's it for this week for u1 - questions?
[16:54] <joshuahoover> --
[16:54] <seb128> when is early next week known that freeze is monday at 9?
[16:54] <skaet> thanks joshuahoover
[16:54] <seb128> (I noticed a few ubuntuone-client-gnome crash fixes pending upload that I want to see in natty)
[16:54] <joshuahoover> seb128: i meant monday at the latest...most should be done yet today
[16:54] <skaet> joshuahoover, 0900 freeze on monday...  ?
[16:55] <skaet> heh
[16:55] <joshuahoover> skaet: yes :)
[16:55] <skaet> :)
[16:55] <skaet> thanks!
[16:55] <skaet> any questions?
[16:55] <skaet> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:55] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.6.2 is in, still compiling away on ARM
[16:55] <Riddell>  * plasma-desktop crashes on today's live CD, it's due to a patch we added, I'm taking a look at it but we can take it out if I don't figure it out
[16:55] <Riddell>  * plasma-mobile also crashes, new package on revu due to go in shortly
[16:55] <Riddell>  * http://goo.gl/HbXHe 6 bugs milestoned for beta 2
[16:55] <Riddell>  * bug 744812 is high importance, waiting on sladen to confirm upload with workaround
[16:55] <Riddell> ..
[16:56] <Riddell> oh and docs didn't make the freeze :( due this weekend I'm told
[16:56] <skaet> Thanks RIddell
[16:57] <skaet> there were some bugs showing up from the iso testing, that are on the agenda.   Have you had a chance to look, at them?
[16:58] <skaet> please feel free to remove if they aren't significant.
[16:58] <Riddell> skaet: I'll take a look after the meeting
[16:58] <skaet> Thanks!
[16:58] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:59] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:59] <dbarth> hi
[16:59] <skaet> :)
[16:59] <dbarth> Report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:59] <dbarth> the gist of it being that
[16:59] <TheBIGone> There a way to play game on ubuntu... the newest game like Starcraft II
[16:59] <TheBIGone> ?
[16:59] <dbarth> we released unity 3.8.4 with almost 80 bugs fixed
[16:59] <dbarth> new release of compiz as well with test logs @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/QA/TestLog
[17:00] <dbarth> a11y regressions (again) but we're on top of the cpu problem here
[17:00] <dbarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/754377
[17:00] <dbarth> the FFE front is hopefully stabilizing
[17:00] <dbarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/754583 is the last one
[17:01] <dbarth> the code is ready and i hear thta it is considered positively- it's mostly based on user feedback that we want to address before the hard freeze
[17:01] <cjwatson> TheBIGone: this is a meeting channel, and there is a meeting in progress - please try #ubuntu instead
[17:01] <pitti> dbarth: I think that just pretty much got turned down, even by sabdfl himself now
[17:01] <dbarth> nothing major on the u-foundations side, except the CJK problem
[17:02] <dbarth> ah, that happened during my call then; will update you in a bit
[17:02] <dbarth> the CJK problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745243 requires changes in different packages outside of the strict unity scope
[17:03] <dbarth> we've proposed a ppa or an oem port so far; ie there's not much we think we can do that late in the cycle
[17:03] <dbarth> ..
[17:03] <pitti> dbarth: I suppose that's all internal logic, so at worst we could SRU it?
[17:03] <dbarth> yes
[17:03] <dbarth> with a lot of testing though
[17:04] <TheBIGone> cjohnston okay
[17:04] <dbarth> there are 2 options to fix the issue
[17:04] <pitti> or do you think it's bad enough that we should default to gnome for CJK locales?
[17:04] <TheBIGone> but I have never used UBUNTU
[17:04] <TheBIGone> so why Ubuntu is better than windows
[17:04] <pitti> TheBIGone: please, #ubuntu-users
[17:04] <dbarth> it's not a locale problem afaict, it's turning cjk support in libxapian
[17:04] <skaet> dbarth,  will add 745243 to the list.   Have you had a chance to look at the bugs on the agenda?
[17:05] <dbarth> but that would have to be tested with all of the apps that link with it
[17:05] <dbarth> skaet: not in details, sorry
[17:05] <skaet> dbarth,  ok,  just want to make sure the importances are correct.
[17:05] <dbarth> the high/crtiical ones should be on our the list for our last upload
[17:05] <skaet> so if you cold take a pass after the meeting, that would be appreciated.
[17:05] <dbarth> i can double check that
[17:06] <dbarth> right
[17:06] <skaet> thanks dbarth!
[17:06] <skaet> any other questions?
[17:06] <skaet> [Topic] ARM team update - ogra
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[17:06]  * ogra_ waves
[17:06] <skaet> :)
[17:07] <ogra_> Status is at:
[17:07] <ogra_> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:07] <ogra_> --
[17:07] <ogra_> Summary:
[17:07] <ogra_>  * OMAP4 work on sound implementation is ongoing pulseaudio and alsa patches are being adjusted for bug 746023
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:07] <ogra_>  * TI PPA icon should be back on the desktop (needs verification, no image builds possible atm)
[17:07] <ogra_>  * unity-2d was updated to the final release
[17:07] <ogra_>  * banshee is the default music player on arm too now (thanks to NCommander)
[17:07] <ogra_>  * ARM specific FTBFS list for main has grown a bit again, but all under control.
[17:07] <ogra_> --
[17:07] <ogra_> Image status:
[17:07] <ogra_>  * Netbook images are currently broken, waiting for the archive to settle
[17:07] <ogra_>  * Headless/serial image works fine
[17:07] <ogra_> --
[17:07] <ogra_> Specs:
[17:07] <ogra_> Entire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[17:07] <ogra_> Milestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html
[17:07] <ogra_> --
[17:07] <ogra_> Bugs being worked on for beta-2:
[17:07] <ogra_>  * 747247
[17:07] <ogra_>  * 746023
[17:07] <ogra_>  * 744862
[17:07] <ogra_>  * 746137
[17:07] <ogra_>  * 651302
[17:07] <ogra_> ..
[17:08]  * skaet likes new separator character. ;)
[17:08] <ogra_> this bug might need a freeze exception, diwic and TheMuso are working with TI on patch adjustment, i'm not sure when they will be ready
[17:08] <skaet> ogra_, understood.
[17:08] <ogra_> i hope it will be fine over the weekend, both audio devs of TI sit in mexico, so it might be that we get the final patchset only later on monday
[17:09] <ogra_> thats all :)
[17:09] <ogra_> ..
[17:09] <skaet> re: bug 67544 - is it really high,  its been lingering for a while?
[17:09] <ogra_> lamon is working on that one, no ?
[17:09] <ogra_> at least he has it assigned
[17:10] <skaet> ogra_, no progress of entire release, so wondering if we should be carrying it.
[17:10] <ogra_> not sure, i'll ask him
[17:10] <skaet> thanks
[17:10] <skaet> are all the bugs on the agenda at the right priority?
[17:10] <skaet> (and appropriate for the arm team).
[17:11] <cjwatson> it's been assigned to lamont since 2010-01-26; however, due to the constraints on this kind of bootstrapping, it does need his involvement
[17:11] <doko> well, I think somebody else from is could retry this
[17:11] <ogra_> i think so, i'll double check after the meeting
[17:11] <ogra_> (sorry, big lag here)
[17:11] <skaet> would appreciate it if you could take a pass at them after the meeting, and double check they should be on the list.   I'll add the ones you've got to the list.
[17:12] <ogra_> Yep
[17:12] <skaet> thanks ogra_ :)
[17:12] <cjwatson> doko: lamont is the Ubuntu OSA, they'll likely assign it straight back to him :)
[17:12] <cjwatson> I'll ask him though
[17:13] <skaet> any other questions for ogra_ ?
[17:13] <skaet> [Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:13] <TheBIGone> skaet what`s that chan .. for what you use it ?
[17:13] <lamont> g'morning
[17:14]  * lamont will wear his developer with uOSA powers this weekend and throw that against the wall and see if maybe it sticks this time
[17:14] <skaet> TheBIGone, please wait until you see after the endmeeting, for general questions.
[17:14] <cjwatson> TheBIGone: please, this is a meeting room.  I'm sure you wouldn't walk into a professional meeting room and ask questions outside the agenda
[17:14] <TheBIGone> okay .. no problem I`ll just read :)
[17:15]  * skaet looks around for ScottK?
[17:15] <Riddell> he hasn't been around today that I've noticed
[17:15] <skaet> thanks Riddell
[17:16] <skaet> [Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:17] <skaet> hmm,  no JamieBennett, it appears...
[17:17] <skaet> [TOPIC] any catch up comments from prior questions?
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  any catch up comments from prior questions?
[17:18] <skaet> ok
[17:18] <skaet> doesn't seem like we'll get updates
[17:18] <skaet> [TOPIC] any other release concerns/comments/questions?
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other release concerns/comments/questions?
[17:19] <skaet> going once
[17:19] <skaet> twice
[17:19] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:19] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:19.
[17:19] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[17:19] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:19] <skaet> Thanks jibel, ara, jdstrand, cjwatson, ogasawara,  pitti, zul, joshuahoover, Riddell, dbarth, ogra
[17:20] <joshuahoover> thanks skaet
[17:20] <jdstrand> thanks skaet
[17:21] <skaet> TheBIGone,  #ubuntu is for general questions,   #ubuntu-meeting is for team meetings (which we just had,  others meet here too).  :)
[17:21] <maco> an also #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[17:22] <jibel> thanks for chairing skaet
[17:23] <lamont> skaet: ogra_: I'll see what I can do with fpc/armel this weekend - maybe on a current beaglexm it will actually build from source... that would be a wonderful change from the last 2 or 3 attempts
[17:23] <ogra_> i bet it will :)
[17:23] <skaet> thanks lamont.  :)
[17:25] <lamont> ogra_: if it doesn't, I'll reject the bug as invalid. :-p
[17:25] <ogra_> heh
[17:25] <lamont> or maybe not....
[17:25] <ogra_> no, better wait for the pandas
[17:25] <ogra_> :)
[17:26] <lamont> ogra_: if it fails on beaglexm, I'll try it on a random panda I'm aware of
[17:26] <ogra_> they will fix the world and make us all rich and happy
[17:27] <ogra_> ... and beautiful :)
[17:27] <skaet> :)