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shaggy2anyone here got any exp with pfsense?02:14
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uvirtbotNew bug: #754210 in bacula (main) "package bacula-director-mysql 5.0.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75421002:36
overriderIm having a strange issue with 10.04.2 - it slows down after a few days of uptime or heavy data copying to it over the network. Gets so slow that its tough to login and run commands. Once top or similar actually ran though, no CPU Load or runaway process visible at all. iostat, free, top, anything does not show high load.04:00
overriderRunning a apt-cache search sensors (example) , is SLOW.. after a system reboot, everything is peachy again, up until sometime later, especially after copying a lot of files to it (its a backup fileserver)04:01
genii-aroundWhy does mail from apt-listchanges go to /var/mail/mail when it says it is emailing root? I don't see an alias for  user "mail" in /etc/aliases04:20
hggdhDaviey: just FYI for your morning: today's ISO was missing python-psutil; as such, euca does not install from ISO04:24
awantiHi, When i am loging to my server its taking long time...?05:01
awantiHow do i reduce this login time05:02
amstanwhy do ppl think irc is the fastest technology?05:15
amstanyou can't just go in a crowd and start yelling about things05:15
twbamstan: *I* can05:16
amstanespecially if the crowd is afk05:16
amstanlol05:16
lifelessthe trick is to take all your clothes off05:18
lifelessthen start yelling05:18
jmarsdenlifeless: In the IRC context, clothing removal would seem somewhat pointless and be unlikely to have much effect -- unless IRC clients are secretly enabling webcams these days?? :)05:22
twbOnly xmms2-irc05:24
lifelessjmarsden: I was refusing the rl analogy;)05:24
twb"real" life... who needs analogue signalling anyway05:24
gemclipanyone around that could help me evaluate is Ubuntu Server would be a right fit for what I want to do?05:52
genii-aroundgemclip: It might help to know first what plans you have05:56
gemclipI have been a windows server guy for years and I am trying to migrate over and test *nix servers at home. I would like to setup a NAS server and a Multimedia server (streaming ect.) but I havent worked with nix much05:59
gemclipI will be setting them up under vmware05:59
gemclipOnly stuff ive worked with in linux is BackTrack at work06:01
gemclipI have a mac book, a ubuntu desktop and 4 pc's rnning windows 7 in the lab env06:02
gemclipthe machine I am setting up the vmware on is a i7 980x with 12gb ram and 10tb divespace06:04
twbIf you just want a NAS anything will do06:04
gemclipstreaming is a biggie I would like to find an open source solution06:04
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twbIMO the main benefit of Ubuntu is what it gets from Debian -- a strong Policy document which requires packages to "play nice" with one another, and infrastructure (dpkg and apt) to reliably distribute binary packages and their dependencies and updates.06:06
twbUbuntu also has better security than Debian (thanks to Kees Cook et al) and a "release train" model rather than a "when it's ready" release model.06:07
twbThe latter is useful for strategic planning in corporate environments.06:07
gemclipI really like what Ive seen so far with ubuntu. The learning curve is a little rough buit I have been trying to stay away from the gui til I get comfortable under the hood06:09
lifelesstheres a gui ?06:10
twbNo server should have a GUI06:10
gemcliplifeless:you can start one lol06:11
twbWe advise against doing so06:11
gemclipI was talking linux in general06:11
gemclipnot just for server. I am trying to move over to linux a little at a time06:11
gemclipbut ultimately server is the goal06:14
amstanservers are a good start for learning linux06:14
gemclipdo you have any good websites you would point a newbie who wanted to setup a NAS and webserver. Any how-to's?06:16
twb!RUTE06:16
ubottudocumentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com06:16
gemclipthank you. Ill start my searching there06:16
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amstangemclip: you should look into sftp, samba, and software raid06:20
amstangemclip: that should get you covered for a nas06:20
amstanunless you wanna get fancy with nfs06:20
gemclipI bought a block of static IP's I wanted to setup a server to be able to access away from home and Let some of my neighbors connect to it as well06:21
amstangemclip: static ips are overrated, i just do with noip06:22
gemclipI use 2 for work. I have to have them but it leaves me 3 that I can use personally06:22
gemclipplus it only 10 bucks a month06:23
gemclipI have a exchange server running 2008 right now but I have to keep that on its current ip06:25
gemclipI could setup a 2008 server but I wanted to broaden my horizons06:25
gemcliplol getting bored with windows and its expensive06:26
amstanyes06:26
gemclipis there anything windows 2008 can do that ubuntu server cant? functionality wise06:28
amstanunix people like to do admining in different ways06:29
amstanusually custom sollutions06:29
amstanso there's not a lot of polish in those areas06:29
amstan(read: active directory)06:29
gemclipis there group policies and user level control in U/S? equiliv to win servers?06:31
amstanwell.. on unix you have groups and users, you can associate permissions for those on files06:32
genii-aroundBetter06:32
amstanand since everything is a file, ...yes06:32
gemclipcool. I'll do some reading. Thanks for all your time06:33
amstangemclip: are you a developer as well?06:33
gemclipyeah but mostly .NET stuff06:34
amstanwell.. regardless06:35
amstanit's a lot nicer deving under unix06:35
amstanwith automated package management, you need a new library.. you can install it and have it end up in the proper place for compiling06:36
gemclipwhat what Ive read there is alot of C compliling tyoe stuff06:36
amstanoh yeah, that stuff is pretty simple06:37
gemclipfat fingers tonight06:37
gemclipis there diffrent types of Ubuntu servers or just what you install on the server?06:41
genii-aroundgemclip: Usually you have a base install of something like LAMP ( linux-apache-mysql-php) and then customise06:43
amstangemclip: it's pretty much the same OS, with different software preinstalled06:44
amstanyou can switch between them at will06:44
gemclipShould I read up on UEC or wait?07:06
twbDo you care about cloud stuff?07:13
gemclipNot right now. It will be nice to know for any clients I may work with down the road. But I think I should just start with basic server install and go from there07:14
gemclipI found the server guide so Im reading that atm07:15
gemclipjust waiting for the ISO to finish downloading07:17
SpamapSgemclip: which version?07:25
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jussiIm looking to get my server set up with LVM/RAID in a mirrored config. can someone guide me through this?10:00
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TeTeTjamespage: would you have some time for questions and general info on hudson and automated server testing later today?11:13
jamespageTeTeT: I do; TBH have time now or can do later if you are busy11:15
TeTeTjamespage: I'm about to leave for lunch (5 mins), so later would be better. I need to get myself up to speed with the blueprints and would love to do some testing myself. So I guess right now I'm looking more for guidance on getting started than real questions11:17
jamespageOK; lets catchup later then - say 1500 UTC?11:18
TeTeTjamespage: 1500 UTC is fine, just after my 1:111:20
jamespageTeTeT: great - speak then11:20
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Error404NotFoundevery now and then i would see only 5M free ram with a lot of it eaten by the buffers, sometimes even around 1G. Is there a way i can limit the buffers?11:37
shaunoit's not much of an answer, but I don't believe that's really a problem.  buffers will be dropped as soon as the memory is required for something more useful11:42
shaunobut 'free' is the least useful state for ram11:42
oCeanbuffers are for your benefit11:43
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jussiHow does one set a static IP from the CLI?12:10
binBASHmoin \sh12:11
binBASHjussi: do you want to set it up permanent?12:12
jussiyes12:12
\shmoins12:12
jussithis server needs to sit at the same place always12:12
binBASHso check http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/12:13
jussiahh, excellent, thank you12:13
binBASHwelcome12:13
jussibinBASH: what are the => Network ID: 192.168.1.0 => Broadcast IP: 192.168.1.255 for?12:17
binBASHjussi: read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address12:20
binBASHand Network id is the subnet your pc is on ;)12:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #754522 in autofs5 (main) "autofs not starting if no nfs-mount in fstab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75452212:21
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Saturn2888I'm having some really strange issue. I rebooted my machine and get a "mountall: mount / [xxx] terminated with status 32"13:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #749402 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74940213:48
uvirtbotNew bug: #752298 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75229813:56
hggdha bug on the ISO (package not installable) should be opened against which package?14:02
ScottKhggdh: What's not installable?14:06
hggdhScottK: python-psutil14:06
ScottKDo you know why?14:06
hggdhit seems to be missing from the ISO14:06
ScottKWhy is it needed on the ISO?14:07
hggdheucalyptus -- eucalyptus-common depends on it14:07
ScottKIt's in Universe.  That's why it's not on the ISO.14:08
ScottKLooks like it's never been in Main, so it needs a Main Inclusion Report.14:08
jbernardhallyn: ive made some progress, yes14:08
hallynjbernard, do you need any help?14:09
jbernardhallyn: i was a bit ambitious and thought I could squash several other bugs in addition to the security issue, but that quickly turned into a small nightmare14:09
ScottKhggdh: So the bug should be filed against python-psutil and ubuntu-mir subscribed.14:09
hallynjbernard: are all the bugs listed in lp?14:10
jbernardhallyn: i have a package ready for 0.37.1 with the security issues fixed, but there is still a problem with upgrade14:10
jbernardhallyn: between lp and bts, yes14:10
jbernardhallyn: i now understand why tmpfs is needed14:11
hggdhScottK: duh. I really should have done my homework :-( thank you14:11
hallynah, yes.  oh, right, i'd forgotten - is one of the things you're adding my upstart job?14:11
jbernardhallyn: yeah, that is another thing i need to do. As I understand, dh_installinit in debian was updated to include knowledge of upstart jobs, but it seems it's not fully supported yet14:13
jbernardhallyn: vorlon posted an explaination in debian-devel, ill see if I can dig it up14:13
hallynjbernard: oh boy14:15
jbernardhallyn: my plan now is to upload 0.37.1 tonight, and then tackle the other issues in a subsequent upload(s)14:15
hallynwhat does .1 address?14:15
jbernardhallyn: mostly the security issues14:15
jbernardhallyn: and a couple of other smaller patches14:16
jbernardhallyn: nothing major14:16
hallynppetraki: anything in particular you want to ask for for information in bug 64448914:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 644489 in multipath-tools "constantly changes /dev/disk/by-id/{scsi,wwn}-* LUN symlinks with multipathing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64448914:16
hallynjbernard: all of the security issues though?14:16
jbernardyep, both of them14:16
hallyncool14:16
* ppetraki looking14:17
hallynjbernard: someone on #lxcontainers yesterday had a problem with libcgroup and lxc14:17
hallynjbernard: libcgroup was mounting each cgroup separately iiuc.  is that expected?14:17
jbernardjbernard: separately in different locations? It should just create the dir strucure under /sys/.. but it would depend on which version they're on14:18
hallynthey said they were on natty14:19
hallyni've not been able to (and am not able to) reproduce right now.14:20
ppetrakihallyn, I wish they would have pointed out where in the udevadm monitor log the "legitimate event" was observed14:20
hallynppetraki: yeah, i'm going to ask for a whole new set of data.  starting with running his stuff with -v4 and posting daemon.log14:20
hallynppetraki: i noticed it was another netapp so figured you migth have ideas :)14:21
jbernardhallyn: that sounds very odd, ive not seen that myself. do you remember their nick?14:21
ppetrakihallyn, can't wait to get one or two :)14:21
hallynjbernard: it was dhubbard_ if i recall right14:22
jbernardhallyn: cool, thanks14:23
jbernardhallyn: i have to run to work, ill get .1 uploaded tonight14:23
jbernardhallyn: and then we can go from there14:23
hallyngreat, thanks. ttyl.14:23
jbernardhallyn: cheers14:23
ppetrakihallyn, those additional logs should be enough, udev monitor alone can never tell you why the kernel emitted this event14:29
ppetrakihallyn, if I had to guess, I would say a LIP occurred, or something on the FC bus that forced discovery14:30
hallynall right, let me ask for those logs now before i get back into what i was trying to do14:30
ppetrakicool, thanks14:31
RoAkSoAxmorning all14:34
DavieyRoAkSoAx, o/14:35
RoAkSoAxDaviey: o/14:35
DavieyRoAkSoAx, Having fun?14:36
RoAkSoAxDaviey: well my day is just starting but I guess I will :)14:36
DavieyRoAkSoAx, python-psutil needs a MIR :)14:36
Davieyhggdh noticed it.14:36
* RoAkSoAx checks14:37
RoAkSoAxDaviey: alright I'll add it to my todo for today14:38
DavieyRoAkSoAx, awesome14:39
hallynzul: argh14:51
hallynzul: lxcguest bug - containers wn't shut down all the way14:51
zulhallyn: do you have a fix for it?14:52
CrazyGirto anyone using either puppet or chef: why choose one over the other?14:52
RoyKhi all14:52
hallynzul: yeah14:52
zulhallyn: bzr branch me baby14:52
hallynzul: will do.  creating a bug first.14:53
RoyKI just installed this box, and at the end of the installation, it asks if it should update security updates automatically - I was a bit quick and chose no automatic updates - how can I change that after installation?14:53
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DavieyRoyK, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html15:02
RoAkSoAxDaviey: MIR's need FFe?15:03
RoyKDaviey: thanks15:03
DavieyRoAkSoAx, I believe so.15:05
RoAkSoAxDaviey: does this look good enough to you then? bug #75466115:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 754661 in python-psutil "[FFe] [MIR] python-psutil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75466115:06
DavieyRoAkSoAx, Yeah... the thing i am missing is how it got introduced as a new depends.15:07
DavieyAhh.. i see15:07
Davieyscrub that15:08
hallynzul: bug 754655, bzr tree attached.15:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 754655 in lxc "lxc guests on natty are not shutting down" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75465515:08
hallyns/attached/linked/15:08
zulhallyn: cool...gimme a sec15:08
RoAkSoAxDaviey: hjehe yeah it was a bbug filed against it by hggdh :) I guess we all assumed it was in main as the installation didn't really fail15:09
RoAkSoAxDaviey: I now see it in component-mismatches though15:09
hggdhRoAkSoAx: I was also assuming it -- I needed ScottK to delicately cattle-prod me to the MIR15:11
zulfreaking firefox15:12
RoAkSoAxhggdh: hehe yeah fortunately it is not really a difficult one as it is a small package15:12
hggdhRoAkSoAx: yes, I was starting to look at it, seems clean15:13
RoAkSoAxindeed15:13
RoAkSoAxDaviey: is the problem with upstart and the IFACE thing still present?15:19
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zulhallyn: uploaded15:22
DavieyRoAkSoAx, yes15:24
DavieyRoAkSoAx, SpamapS proposed a solution, which i've not yet tested.15:25
RoAkSoAxDaviey: ok, so apparently bug #726769 bus closed by mistake :)15:25
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 726769 in eucalyptus "package eucalyptus-common 2.0.1 bzr1255-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72676915:25
DavieyRoAkSoAx, yup :(15:25
RoAkSoAxDaviey: I think hggdh did the testing with not very succesful results15:26
hggdhindeed. From not upgrading, to not starting15:27
Davieyhggdh, hmm.. you didn't test SpamapS proposed solution, did you?15:27
hggdhDaviey: SpamapS told me to add 'env IFACE=manual-start' in the eucalyptus-network.conf. I added it, and *then* upgraded15:28
Davieyhggdh, Ahh... i thought it would need adding after dpkg craps out15:29
hggdhDaviey: end result was the upstart processes went in to what looked like an infinite wait15:29
hggdhwell, not really infinite, just a long sleep15:29
Davieythen sudo apt-get upgrade again15:29
hggdhthen this is not a solution15:29
Davieyhggdh, no, it is - that would mimic it being in a new package.15:30
hggdhah well. I did ask -- a few times, mind you -- about what was to be done, and how. I worked on what I got back15:30
Davieyhggdh, Ah, ok..  Once we've got the present issue resolved.. we'll revisit upgrades i think.15:32
hggdhDaviey: indeed. We go back to beta1, and try again15:32
hggdhand even better, we go from maverick15:33
hallynzul: thanks!15:33
zulnp15:34
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uvirtbotNew bug: #754699 in eucalyptus (main) "Eucalyptus node (nc) fails to install, when done from PackageInstall" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75469915:57
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TeTeTjamespage: back to get more info on jenkins/hudson and the automated testing :)16:04
jamespageTeTeT: fire away:-)16:04
TeTeTjamespage: so I installed a Natty vm and saw that apt-cache search hudson | jenkins does not show anything - it has not landed in Natty, what were the problems?16:05
jamespageTeTeT: so challenge has been around the size of this piece of work.16:06
TeTeTjamespage: it's massive I take from the look at the PPA ppa:hudson-ubuntu/testing16:06
jamespageTeTeT: :-)16:06
TeTeTjamespage: so simply to much work for a release cycle to get this into the archive? Or was the change from hudson to jenkins also an issue?16:07
jamespageTeTeT: yes it is quite big; however not far off original estimates; the intent for natty was to deliver alongside main release in PPA16:07
jamespageTeTeT: so that we could be in a good place for Oneiric.16:08
TeTeTjamespage: as it is Java, did you have to package all the specific versions of the build dependencies (I guess through maven)? Or was there a shortcut somehow?16:08
TeTeTjamespage: yeah, wearing my corp services hat I count on 12.04 for delivering this tech to customers :)16:09
jamespageTeTeT: no shortcuts; some of the versions of dependencies are slightly different, some are major versions different.16:09
jamespageTeTeT: however it is hanging together OK; we have been using the package in the testing PPA for all of the ISO and ec2 testing for Natty and its been solid16:10
TeTeTjamespage: ok, let's stay on jenkins for a bit, will query on automated testing in a bit16:10
jamespageTeTeT: the newer versions of maven-debian-helper (not yet in Ubuntu) are much better and automate most of the package production;16:11
jamespageTeTeT: TBH the rename from Hudson to Jenkins did not create to much work16:12
TeTeTjamespage: I now have a jenkins webpage on port 8080 on my vm open. If I want to test something with jenkins, what are my next steps? URL is sufficient - is this one a good start or are there better tutorials? https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Use+Jenkins16:12
jamespageTeTeT: thats a good place to start; the thing to understand about Jenkins is that although there is alot of functionality in the core product (enough for most basic requirements)16:13
jamespageTeTeT: the really neat stuff is all managed through plugins16:13
TeTeTjamespage: ok, not sure if I understand right now, but most likely will when I had a closer look at it16:14
TeTeTjamespage: how much effort is it to test something? E.g. I have a couple of python scripts for testing UEC that themselves could use testing when I develop them. As an alternative I would have an open source board gaming tool that I would want to test - however jenkins can assist in testing graphical apps16:15
jamespageTeTeT: so for your python scripts do you have unit tests?16:16
TeTeTjamespage: I fear not16:17
TeTeTjamespage: would this be a first step to implement them?16:17
jamespageTeTeT: absolutely16:18
jamespageTeTeT: All of the work I've done using Jenkins has been centred on integration16:18
TeTeTjamespage: ok - do I see this right that jenkins will help me to a) build some software, b) run built-in tests, c) run integration tests16:18
jamespageTeTeT: whatever Jenkins is doing under the hood should be executable by the developers who are developing the code.16:19
jamespageTeTeT: It will help you automate those steps and report on results - yes16:19
jamespageTeTeT: lemme just dig out a tutorial for working with python - that might help as well.16:19
jamespageTeTeT: http://www.rhonabwy.com/wp/2009/11/04/setting-up-a-python-ci-server-with-hudson/16:21
TeTeTjamespage: thanks, guess that will give me more than enough to get started on jenkins. Onto automated testing for Natty16:22
jamespageTeTeT: OK16:22
TeTeTjamespage: so the PPA is used for driving the automated iso testing for Natty?16:22
jamespageTeTeT: URL first: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/16:22
TeTeTjamespage: he he, thanks, need a folder for jekins and automated testing now ;)16:23
jamespageTeTeT: so I've helped put together 2 other projects which actually do the work under the hood16:23
TeTeTjamespage: so this is the test results page for Ubuntu 11.04 testing?16:23
jamespageTeTeT: filtered for 11.04 ISO tests - http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/ISO-server-Natty/16:23
jamespageTeTeT: but broadly yes it is.16:24
jamespageTeTeT: Jenkins provides us with all of the glue to make this stuff happen automatically16:24
jamespageTeTeT: Monitoring for new images, triggering jobs when they appear and reporting on results.16:24
jamespageTeTeT: the actual work is done by two other projects: ubuntu-server-iso-testing and ubuntu-server-ec2-testing16:25
jamespageTeTeT: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-ec2-testing and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-iso-testing16:25
TeTeTjamespage: these projects are about defining and implementing the tests I take?16:25
jamespageTeTeT: thats right - the -iso-testing project uses libvirt and KVM to do automated installs of Ubuntu, and then run tests within those installs once completed.16:26
jamespageTeTeT: Its all written in python; we used normal unittest's to actually implement the tests we wanted to run16:27
jamespageTeTeT: they are executed using subunit and the subunit2junitxml filter16:27
TeTeTjamespage: so when I look at http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/lucid-server-amd64_lvm/1/testReport/test/LvmTest/ I see that 3 (unit?) tests passed16:27
zulRoAkSoAx: can you push your koan/ubuntu patch upstream16:27
jamespageTeTeT: Jenkins is good at understanding Junit XML output - thats what you see in that link16:27
TeTeTjamespage: where would I find the actual test definition for testLvs, testRootMount, testVgs?16:27
RoAkSoAxzul: I already did16:28
zulk16:28
RoAkSoAxzul: fw 5 patches yesterday to the cobbler ML16:28
jamespageTeTeT: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/lucid-server-amd64_lvm/ - the unittest file is called 'lvm'16:28
jamespageIt gets archived there for future references - its actually part of the underlying ubuntu-server-iso-testing package16:29
TeTeTjamespage: awesome16:29
TeTeTjamespage: do you collect any statistics on how many tests fail during a release cycle and how many pass? Just for getting an overview16:29
jamespageTeTeT: not really - its more used as a healthcheck throughout the dev cycle and for reporting on candidate image testing prior to milestones16:30
TeTeTjamespage: and how do I find out what's going wrong when it fails: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty_server_ec2/ looks like all is broken?16:30
jamespageTeTeT: however you can see this16:30
jamespageTeTeT: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty-server-i386_samba-server/16:31
jamespagethis one runs daily16:31
TeTeTjamespage: so 5 tests are run, most time one fails, at a few times two?16:31
jamespageTeTeT: yes - there is a know issue with the unittest which causes the one failure - the others are actual failures16:32
jamespageTeTeT: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty-server-i386_samba-server/55/testReport/ (click on an error in the graph to see this view)16:32
jamespageTeTeT: nmbd failed to start for some reason16:33
jamespageTeTeT: So this project16:33
jamespagehttp://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty_server_ec2/16:33
TeTeTjamespage: great, thanks for all the infos!16:33
jamespageIs using a different type of job 'Matrix'16:33
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jamespageused for testing different combinations of setup;16:34
TeTeTjamespage: is it testing the deployment rather than the execution?16:34
jamespageTeTeT: not sure I understand the question16:34
* popey takes "ubuntu-uk" off hilight :)16:35
TeTeTjamespage: nevermind16:35
jamespagesorry popey :-)16:35
popeynot your fault :)16:35
jamespageI'll stop pasting links in a minute :-)16:35
* popey glares at Daviey :)16:35
Davieypopey needs a better IRC client that lets him exclude regexes :)16:36
TeTeTjamespage: I'll need to take a look at all this now, will most likely come back with some questions next week16:36
jamespageTeTeT: no problem16:36
TeTeTjamespage: thanks a ton so far, much easier to get an insight than reading the blogs/wikis/documentation - overall it's huge16:37
jamespageTeTeT: So the Ubuntu use is quite simple at the moment; other projects are doing more in-depth stuff - take a look here http://jenkins.openstack.org/16:40
TeTeTjamespage: nice, there are builds happening16:42
jamespageTeTeT: thats quiet - look at Drizzles - http://jenkins.drizzle.org/16:45
craigbass1976I'm following along here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-ispconfig-2 and can't start chrooted bind.  This is in messages... : operation="open" pid=16789 parent=16787 profile="/usr/sbin/named" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=103 ouid=103 name="/var/lib/named/etc/bind/named.conf"16:45
Davieyhggdh, seeing S3 failure?16:46
TeTeTjamespage: guess we're really lightweight users in comparison16:46
Davieyhggdh, I tested the IFACE upstart change, and it seems to resolve the issue...16:46
hggdhDaviey: OK16:46
hggdhDaviey: back to kernel sru testing16:48
Davieyhggdh, Did you see S3 failing tho?16:53
hggdhDaviey: I saw failures on walrus -- what causes the instances to fail16:53
Davieyhggdh, This is *NEW*... wtf.16:54
RoAkSoAxzul: we do not have xen kernels right?17:16
zulRoAkSoAx: depends on what type of xen kernels you are talking about17:17
RoAkSoAxzul: in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/installer-amd64 for example17:17
RoAkSoAxzul: if I were to try to netboot into xen using virt-install17:17
semiosisisn't the linux-ec2 package a xen kernel?17:19
hggdhRoAkSoAx: there are the kernels in http://uec-images.ubuntu.com -- they are DomUs17:19
RoAkSoAxhggdh: right, but talking about this :) https://www.redhat.com/archives/virt-tools-list/2011-April/msg00036.html17:21
hggdhRoAkSoAx: as semiosis points out, the linux-ec2 are DomU kernels17:27
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zulRoAkSoAx: what are you trying to do then i can provide you with a better answer17:30
RoAkSoAxzul: basically, the doubt came when I was looking into forwarding a patch to virtinst, and I read this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/virt-tools-list/2011-April/msg00036.html17:31
zulRoAkSoAx: the virtual kernels i think are domU kernels we dont support dom0 (yet)17:33
zulsmoser: do we run the virtual kernels or the server kernels on ec2?17:33
smoservirtual17:34
smoseralso, there is a difference between "xen kernel" and dom017:34
smoserdom0 kernel is a linux kernel that runs under the xen kernel as the priviledged guest named 'dom0'17:35
smoserfor that you need dom0 support in your kernel (which is what zul is asking for for 'o')17:35
RoyKsmoser: using xen on an ubuntu host?17:35
MetaJakewhere should I save variables that I need to run each time I login to my server?17:36
zulsmoser: but virtual/server is/was the same kernel so it shouldnt matter17:36
smoserto run xen, you need xen (a package that installs a hypervisor on your computer that then runs ubuntu as dom0)17:36
RoyKMetaJake: .bashrc17:36
smoservirtual/server is *close* to being the same kernel.17:36
RoAkSoAxsmoser: yeah that I understand, and I didn't mean dom0 :) I guess I should have phrased my question correctly17:36
MetaJakethanks royk thats what I thought. I'll try this again. something didn't work last time I tried that.17:36
zulsmoser: right server just has a few more modules ;)17:36
RoAkSoAxsmoser: but yeah In my question was xen kernel as a guest (not as dom0)17:37
RoyKlast I checked, Xen wasn't very well supported on ubuntu - use kvm17:37
smoserRoAkSoAx, you *need* dom0 support in your kernel, or "ubuntu and xen" dont really work17:37
smoser(which is the case right now)17:37
RoyKkvm works very well, though17:37
smoserzul, its not exactly that any more17:37
RoyKfar less hassle17:37
smoser-virtual is no longer a "sub flavour"17:37
smoserit is a flul "flavor"17:37
zulsmoser: ah ok17:38
zulsmoser: since when?17:38
semiosiswhat's the difference between linux-virtual & linux-ec2 kernels?  even ec2 instances use linux-virtual17:38
RoAkSoAxsmoser: right right. But what I mean was "If I have a xen running (let's say Debian), do Ubuntu have kernels to run as guests?"17:38
smosernatty and maverikc.17:38
semiosissome doc I can read up on?17:38
smoser-ec2 is gone17:38
semiosisohhh ok :)17:39
smoserit was a heavily patched ubuntu kernel17:39
smoserwe dropped that in maverick17:39
smoserand moved to using the '-virtual' kernel, which has 'pv_ops' support17:39
smoserwhich is what enables the generic -virtual kernel to run as a xen domU17:39
smoserthis has proven somewhat buggy17:39
* RoyK wonders why people use xen when kvm is so much easier to get around17:40
smoserRoAkSoAx, i tried this once, and had some issues. but short answer is "yes, they should"17:40
smoserand even "yes, they do"17:40
RoAkSoAxsmoser: ok thanks :)17:40
smoserubuntu kernels (-virtual) run on EC2, which is CentOS-ish xen install.17:40
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semiosisi've got a centos 5 xen server that i host several ubuntu VMs on (lucid & maverick) it works very well, but i've only been able to boot linux-ec2 kernels, never could get linux-virtual working17:44
semiosisgoing to upgrade it to UEC sooner or later ;)17:44
semiosisthx for explaining that smoser17:45
smosersemiosis, well the -virtual kernels *do* work on xen17:45
smoseri'm not going to pretend that amazon's xen is "pure xen"17:45
smoseri've had some issues to, and have not even been able to do an install from CD into an hvm xen instance the one time i tried (centos 5.5)17:46
smoserwhich, in theory, should have "just worked"17:46
semiosisyeah hvm didnt work too well for me either17:46
zulRoAkSoAx: the linux-ec2 kernels caused much grief and sorrow..they should die in a firey death17:58
RoAkSoAxzul: ok :) thanks for the info17:59
* semiosis takes note of that18:02
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shaggy2is there a Sip/VOIP pbx server that ubuntu supports or will run on ubuntu server?18:45
RoyKshaggy2: asterisk should work18:46
zulSpamapS:  around?18:46
RoyKshaggy2: just don't ask me about issues there - the code isn't very good, or at least, it wasn't, last time I was using it http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk_architecture.jpg http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav18:47
SpamapSzul: yes , OTP, but will be off in 10 minutes18:48
NoqturnalXhas anyone ever had a problem with cups?18:50
NoqturnalXI installed it and something happened to it, so I went to remove it and reinstall it and now it hangs when I apt-get remove cups or even apt-get purge cups18:50
NoqturnalXand when I do apt-get install cups it hangs on setting up cups18:50
RoyKNoqturnalX: can you try to strace that?18:51
NoqturnalXwhat do I strace?18:52
NoqturnalXi've only used strace once and it was a couple years ago so i'm not very familiar with it18:52
pmatulis_how do i configure PAM to not prompt for a password during the login of a specific user?18:52
RoyKpmatulis_: eeeeerm - why do you want some users to login without a password?18:53
pmatulis_RoyK: i'd rather not say18:54
RoyKif it's for ssh logins, just use ssh keys18:54
pmatulis_RoyK: it's not SSH18:54
RoyKif it's for local logins, don't18:54
pmatulis_RoyK: it's to automate jobs basically18:54
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NoqturnalXi just killed everything that had cups in it lol18:56
NoqturnalXso I want to reinstall cups, is there a way I can make sure it's completely gone before I try it?18:58
pmatulis_NoqturnalX: purge i guess18:58
NoqturnalXI had to interupt purge18:59
NoqturnalXit locked up18:59
NoqturnalXso I had to kill the tasks18:59
NoqturnalXso I tried apt-get purge cups, then I had to kill the process stop cups and a few others, rm -rf /etc/cups, /usr/lib/cups, /usr/share/cups & did dpkg --configure -a19:00
NoqturnalXwhat should be my next step?19:00
NoqturnalXshould I try apt-get install cups?19:02
NoqturnalXor is there something I should try before that?19:02
NoqturnalXapt-get install cups, made it to "Setting up cups (1.4.4-6ubuntu2.3) and is just sitting there now19:22
NoqturnalX:(19:26
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RoyKdid you try to strace it?19:29
RoyKstrace -f apt-get install ....19:30
NoqturnalXi'll try that right now19:30
NoqturnalXbrb switching computers19:33
airtonixprotip : don't use apple ipod hard-disks as server disks19:38
NoqturnalXstrace -f apt-get install cups19:39
NoqturnalXright?19:39
RoyKyes19:40
RoyKstrace output is sent to stderr19:40
RoyKso 2>somefile19:40
NoqturnalXok, I did "strace -f apt-get install cups | tee -a strace"19:40
RoyKwill send the data there19:40
RoyK2>&1 | tee19:40
NoqturnalXwell it's stuck on "read (0, "19:41
RoyKerm... that's reading from stdin19:41
NoqturnalX*gulp*19:42
NoqturnalXok so instead I should do "strace -f apt-get install cups 2>&1|tee -a strace" ???19:43
NoqturnalXdpkg -l cups shows "Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend"19:46
gemclipis there a url of all the man pages as html pages?19:46
NoqturnalXErr?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)19:47
NoqturnalXstill get the same thing with 2>&1|tee19:48
gemclipduh a little google goes a long way19:49
NoqturnalXRawr Can I kill it19:53
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FoolsRunHi, does anyone have any good personal experience using Ubuntu as a backup server for Windows clients?20:00
genii-aroundFoolsRun: I had 4-5 Windows boxes here backing themselves up to an Ubuntu box using a Windows version of rsync. Worked pretty good20:13
NoqturnalXthere's supposed to be a /var/run/cups/cups.sock but it doesn't exist20:14
NoqturnalXcould this be part of the problem?20:15
semiosisgemclip: manpages.ubuntu.com20:38
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NoqturnalXhow do you creat a .sock?20:47
semiosisNoqturnalX: i think the daemon (cups in this case) would usually do that for you20:53
NoqturnalXI think I may have accidentally removed it20:53
NoqturnalXand I can't get the daemon to even run :(20:53
semiosisNoqturnalX: just scrolled back to catch up... did you even get the package installed ok?20:55
NoqturnalXNope, It always hangs up starting or stopping cups20:56
NoqturnalXso when I install cups it gets to setting up cups and just freezes up on start cups process20:57
NoqturnalXwhen I try to remove it same thing but with stop cops20:57
semiosisNoqturnalX: anything in /var/log/messages, daemon.log, or syslog about cups?20:59
semiosisNoqturnalX: or /var/log/cups20:59
NoqturnalX/var/log/cups is completely empty folder there are no logs at all20:59
semiosisNoqturnalX: ok what about the system logs?  any cups messages?21:00
NoqturnalXdaemon.log has init: cups pre-start process (958) terminated with status 1 and init: cups post-start process (1684 killed by TERM signal21:00
airtonixif `sudo lshw -C network` reveals both my NICS are disabled, and thus they don't appear in the list output of ifconfig, what do I do to enable them ?21:01
NoqturnalX/var/log/messages has Apr  8 12:28:18 FLHS-SERVER kernel: [40271.443951] type=1400 audit(1302290898.847:53): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/cupsd" pid=1736 comm="apparmor_parser"21:02
NoqturnalX a bunch of times21:02
semiosisairtonix: network interface manual: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man5/interfaces.5.html (also 'man interfaces' in your shell)21:03
NoqturnalXname= either "/usr/sbin/cupsd" or "/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf"21:03
NoqturnalXtheres 25 of each of those messages in /var/log/messages21:04
gemclipcould someone give me a hand setting up my resolv.conf I am not understanding what I am doing wrong21:05
gemclipI set my server to a static ip21:05
airtonixsemiosis: already tried that, entering desired ifname in /etc/network/interfaces has no effect21:05
gemclipI am running under vmware21:06
semiosisgemclip: have you looked over the resolv.conf man page?  it's pretty straightforward, what are you trying to do?21:06
gemclipi see in my gateway my dns ip numbers but im not sure about the search line21:07
semiosisNoqturnalX: sorry i'm not too familiar with cups wish i coudl be more help.  wondering if you're able to install other packages, or if this is really just a cups issue.  if the cupsd binary is installed, can you launch it by hand?  on my system its running as "/usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf"  hope that helps you out at least a little21:07
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gemclipdo i just enter my gateways ip address?21:08
semiosisgemclip: what are you trying to do?  what do you expect to happen that's not happening?21:09
gemclipresolving outside addresses21:09
gemclipand seeing named servers21:10
gemclipfollowing along on the page said once I change my server ip to static I needed to change the resolv.conf file21:11
semiosisgemclip: can you ping other hosts by IP, specifically, can you ping the DNS server IP address you'd like to use as your resolver?21:11
gemclipsec21:11
semiosisairtonix: have you tried 'ifup eth0' or whatever the interface name is you want to use?21:12
airtonixsemiosis: yes, no effect21:12
gemclipsaid "network is unreachable"21:12
airtonixsemiosis: I'd provide a pastebin but the computer is obviously not network connected21:12
gemclipeverything in ifconfig looks right. I cleared the resolv.conf file21:13
semiosisgemclip: generally speaking, it's not enough for everything to 'look right' in ifconfig, there also has to be an appropriately configured network on the other end of the wire attached to the interface.  sounds like you've got connectivity issues.21:16
semiosisgemclip: can you even ping your default gateway address?21:17
gemclipbefore switching over to static ip's I was able to get a dhcp address ok21:17
gemclipchecking21:17
gemclipyep21:18
semiosisgemclip: you may be missing a default route... does the command 'route -ne | grep ^0.0.0.0' return a line beginning with 0.0.0.0   <default gateway address> ?21:21
gemclipseems if I try to ping anything outside my network i get "network unreachable" internal; pinging works21:21
semiosisairtonix: what kinda network interface is this you want to get running?  ethernet, wireless, something exotic?21:22
airtonixsemiosis: it's two gigabit ethernet onboard NICS that worked before with lucid 10.04.2 on a different hard-drive. but switching to another lucid 10.04.2 install on a different hard drive now reveals they are disabled.21:24
gemclipno but i did a route -ne i get Destination 108.78.41.40 gateway 0.0.0.0 genmask 255.255.255.248 flags U MSS 0 Window ) irtt 0 iface eth021:24
airtonixsemiosis: /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf contains (among other things) : [ifupdown] managed=false21:25
* NoqturnalX wonders what just happened21:26
semiosisairtonix: are you using ubuntu desktop or server?21:26
airtonixsemiosis: desktop functioning as a server (bind, sshd, apache, gitolite, ldap, dovecot, nfs-kernel-server)21:27
semiosisgemclip: you need a default route.  i suspect you're missing (at least) a 'gateway' line in /etc/network/interfaces21:28
gemclipok looking21:28
semiosisairtonix: i dont know about networkmanager, someone else here might be able to help with that, or possible another #ubuntu channel geared toward desktop21:28
airtonixI'm not convinced it an issue with NetworkManager21:29
airtonixit's*21:29
semiosisairtonix: cool, neither am i :)21:29
gemclipits there here is my interfaces:21:29
gemclipiface eth0 inet static21:29
gemclipaddress 108.78.41.4521:29
gemclipnetmask 255.255.255.24821:29
gemclipnetwork 108.78.41.021:29
gemclipbroadcast 108.78.41.721:29
gemclipgateway 108.78.41.621:29
gemclipmy resolv.conf is empty21:31
semiosisgemclip: first things first, you need a default route to reach any system outside your local subnet, then adding the DNS server to resolv.conf is easy21:31
trimetaI recently upgrade my DSL, but now I only have a "sticky" IP address, not a static IP address. What's the best way to automatically update my domain's A record when my IP changes?21:32
semiosisgemclip: you say the 'route -en | grep ^0.0.0.0' returned nothing, that means you dont have a default route, but interfaces file is configured with one... maybe 'service network-interface restart INTERFACE=eth0' will reload the config from file21:33
gemclipsemiosis: should I look at the man pages for 'route' sorry im really new at this21:33
semiosisgemclip: i'd rather get it loaded from the config file, which is how it will work at boot... if you use route cmd directly (which is an option) it will not persist across reboot21:33
semiosisgemclip: try that network-interface restart command, replace eth0 with the name of the interface if it's not actually eth0 of course21:34
gemclipyep tried no luck21:36
gemcliplet me bring it down and back up21:36
gemclipblah gateway still missing21:37
semiosisgemclip: oh i just noticed something about your interfaces file... your IP address is not in the subnet, but your default gateway is.  thats not going to work21:37
gemclipoops21:38
semiosisgemclip: your subnet is ...41.1 - ...41.6, and .6 is the gateway, so you can only use IPs 1-521:38
gemclipgrr nice catch21:38
semiosisgemclip: ...assuming your network & netmask & broadcast are correct that is21:38
gemclipyeah I set it wrong21:39
semiosisgemclip: well fix the file, do the network-interface restart cmd, and you'll probably be able to ping your DNS server's IP address... verify that, then setting up the resolv.conf is super easy21:40
semiosisgemclip: all you really need is one line, 'nameserver <DNS Server IP>'21:41
semiosisgemclip: the most popular optional parameter after that is 'domain', then sometimes also 'search' check out the resolv.conf man page for info about those.21:43
genii-aroundtrimeta: Probably to have a script which replaces the date/serial number in format yyyyMMddss in your zonefile with the current moment, does same for the A record, then restarts rndc21:44
genii-aroundon restart it will push the new record out since the timestamp is newer than the cached versions out there21:44
semiosistrimeta: check out 'dynamic dns' on google or wikipedia21:49
semiosisairtonix: idk what to say, maybe check out the /etc/network/interfaces on the old HDD and compare, if it worked on the old system, then that system has all the answers, hopefully you can still read the disk21:50
semiosisgood luck, and have a nice weekend everyone :)21:51
cosmin_shello21:54
cosmin_sI have a question about license of ubuntu server21:54
cosmin_s I want to use ubuntu server on a server on my company , I should buy it or it's completly free ?22:00
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gemclipsemiosis: got the interface fixed and I can ping the dns server22:24
gemclipwoohoo i can ping yahoo! the little things in life that matter lol22:28
kirklandRoAkSoAx: hey22:47
kirklandRoAkSoAx: you still need me to review/sponsor anything for you this week?22:47
RoAkSoAxkirkland: now that you are here, sure :)22:57
RoAkSoAxkirkland: bug #75197922:57
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 751979 in virtinst "virt-install fails to install Ubuntu ISO when it is located in an HTTP location" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75197922:58
RoAkSoAxkirkland: i proposed another patch first, which was uploaded, but didn't really fix the problem as enabled something and disabled something else. This new patch (which is actually an update to the same patch) hanldes both situations22:59
RoAkSoAxkirkland: and my cobbler patches have already been applied upstream :)23:01
samira-twho can help me to run an embedded web server?23:09
* RoAkSoAx -> EOW23:14
samira-twho can help me to run an embedded web server?23:24
amstansamira-t: what do you mean?23:24
samira-tamstan: something like this http://www.gnu.org/software/libmicrohttpd/23:25
samira-ti can't run it23:25

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