[00:28] <nhaines> akk: a coworker picked up your GIMP book at a Borders closeout.
[00:29] <nhaines> He only flipped through it so far but he said he liked the sihlouette tutorial.
[00:29] <akk> yay, glad they still have it (even on closeout)
[00:33] <nhaines> I should go by my local Borders store but I'm too sad they're closing.
[00:56] <nhaines> Hmm, interesting.  They're going to have a discussion on whether or not Unity is suitable as the default on Ubuntu 11.04.
[00:58] <nhaines> Technical Board Meeting starts at 19:10: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/07/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[01:30] <The_Letter_M> I think Unity is a suitable default for Ubuntu
[01:30] <The_Letter_M> it's about being user friendly
[01:31] <The_Letter_M> and the power users still have the choice to install something else of their own liking
[01:31] <The_Letter_M> :-p
[01:31] <pleia2> nhaines: if you click on the time in the right you can link to a specific time in the log :)
[01:31] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/07/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t19:10
[01:51] <nhaines> pleia2: yay, I didn't know that!
[01:52] <nhaines> The_Letter_M: I think the argument for Unity will be that Ubuntu Classic has the same look and feel of Ubuntu 10.10.
[01:53] <nhaines> Also I'm at Ubuntu Hour.
[02:45] <MarkDude> Hail
[02:58] <kevin6888296> hey MarkDude
[02:59] <kevin6888296> i learn so much from "america's next top model"
[03:08] <nubooon2age> ubuntu hour San Jose is in da house. aaditya, putofjungle, aak'
[03:26] <nubooon2age> jtatim, jledbetter, pleia2, crashsystems1,
[03:26] <jledbetter> tatim hehe
[03:33] <nubooon2age> markdude, crashsystems1 hi from Ubuntu Hour San Jose
[03:35] <nubooon2age> We just met the prez of SJSU Lonux club!!!  We're hooked up now
[03:57] <kevin6888296> hey nubooon2age how have you been?
[04:06] <nubooon2age> hey kevin6888296 i'm doing pretty well.  just got anandroid phone.  learning it.  anyone know a good android irc app?  and how are you?
[04:06] <sn9> nubooon2age: AndChat
[04:06] <nubooon2age> ty sn9
[04:06] <sn9> it's the only one that will connect to freenode from t-mobile
[04:07] <nubooon2age> i tried adroidirc but cant figure oit how to configure it.
[04:08] <nubooon2age> hi markdude!  batter up!
[04:24] <nhaines> It's much better to use irssi, screen, and ConnectBot IMO.
[04:35] <kevin6888296> i am well nubooon2age :)
[04:35] <kevin6888296> how's the tablet nubooon2age ?
[04:36] <MarkDude> nubooon2age, baseball season is here
[04:36] <MarkDude> $2 games
[04:36]  * MarkDude has the hookup on autographs
[04:45] <pleia2> woo $2 games
[04:47] <kevin6888296> i go to college baseball games for free
[04:47] <kevin6888296> i'm waiting to see UCLA and CSULB play
[04:47] <kevin6888296> Go Beach!
[04:47] <kevin6888296> i think i'd rather play dart tag though
[04:47] <kevin6888296> but everyone plays paintball still
[04:48] <kevin6888296> my brother got his gf to play paintball once
[04:49]  * kevin6888296 wanders off
[05:03] <nubooon2age> i think i have some folks who want to see the A's win markdude. ;-)
[05:32] <nubooon2age> kevin the tabletis good but i mosplaced my charger.
[05:37] <nubooon2age> i didnt realize this was onlythe first thursday so i acyually was supposed to do UHSJ NEXT week.  so i may acesule another one for the correct date.
[05:39] <nubooon2age> my battery is low so i may need to sign off.
[05:52] <kevin6888296> darn, hope you find it nubooon2age
[05:59] <nubooon2age> thank you Sir Kevin.  also of course the battery was shot even when i got it but i havent had the $ to replace that yet either.   plugged my andoid in now
[06:00] <nubooon2age> so basically im computerless except my androd right now.  running Froyo.
[06:01] <nubooon2age> when is 11.04 shipping?
[06:01] <kevin6888296> God save the Queen!
[06:01] <kevin6888296> i'm pretty sure the musketeers weren't knights, but i wonder if they went by "sir"
[06:01] <nubooon2age> she aint no human being!
[06:02] <kevin6888296> monseiur
[06:02] <nhaines> Ubuntu 11.04 will be released on Thursday, April 28th, 2011.
[06:02] <nubooon2age> ty nhaines
[06:03] <nubooon2age> hows it looking? what are some fav features?
[06:13] <nhaines> The Ubuntu One Control Panel is pretty slick.
[06:14] <nhaines> Unity is getting pretty stable and except for the updated distributor logo, Ubuntu Classic is now mostly the same as Ubuntu 10.10 (but with application indicator enhancements).
[06:14] <nhaines> LibreOffice 3.3 and Firefox 4.0 are fantastic as always.
[06:17] <nubooon2age> ty Sir Nathan. I really appreciate that synopsis.
[06:21] <MarkDude> Good deal nubooon2age
[06:24] <nhaines> Also I played with GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell today for about 2 minutes and wasn't terribly impressed.
[06:47] <pleia2> I was pretty happy to see gnome classic become more classic today
[07:05] <nhaines> pleia2: It doesn't affect me, but mark my words they're going to use that to force through Unity into Ubuntu 11.04.
[07:06] <pleia2> nhaines: I have to admit I'm troubled by the default situation, the timing of my vacation is good, I need a break
[07:07] <nhaines> pleia2: I think Unity is likely to be a good default, and it is super slick these days.
[07:08] <pleia2> I wasn't impressed with how it did with an nvidia chipset, and there are still problems with compiz crashes
[07:08] <pleia2> here's hoping they get fixed :)
[07:08] <nhaines> I'm less happy that my Fitts' Law bug didn't get fixed so far: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/740515
[07:09] <pleia2> maco has been championing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/739812 with devs, we'll see!
[07:09] <pleia2> interesting
[07:10] <nhaines> 739812 isn't going to be fixed in time for 11.04.  SRU would be nice though, why not?
[07:10] <nhaines> I think if I had filed 740515 earlier it might've been addressed.
[07:10] <pleia2> yeah
[07:10] <nhaines> I'll have to start harrassing developers in #ayatana.  O:)
[07:11] <pleia2> hehe
[07:11] <nhaines> My desktop computer has an nvidia chipset and Unity works like a charm there on the proprietary drivers.
[07:11] <pleia2> having said all this, I'm still an xubuntu user and always will be even if I have to drop other things to contribute on the dev side myself
[07:11] <nhaines> ha.  :)
[07:12] <pleia2> my concern is primarily with the more general adoption of ubuntu and the hope that unity won't scare people off
[07:12] <nhaines> pleia2: did you notice how tedg repeated the questions asked during his Unity talk at SCaLE?
[07:12] <pleia2> yes :)
[07:12] <nhaines> That's because I drilled it into him for Ubucon, ha. :)
[07:12] <pleia2> haha
[07:12] <nhaines> He said he'd never thought about it before.
[07:12] <pleia2> he really rocked at scale
[07:12] <pleia2> we were really fortunate to have such a willing-to-be-grilled, friendly canonical person there
[07:13] <nhaines> He really did.  I thought he was great at Ubucon and at his SCaLE talk.
[07:13] <nhaines> His Ubucon talk, especially, was *precisely* the right tone to fit in with the rest of the schedule.
[07:13] <pleia2> yeah :)
[07:14] <pleia2> and the Q&A in his SCaLE talk was probably one of my highlights of the conference
[07:15] <nhaines> Pete Graner really saved the lightning talk I had planned, too.  Although I was always ready to hit the eject button on that one.
[07:15] <pleia2> the gmail interface changed on my hosted account today and I keep clicking on the wrong spots
[07:15] <nhaines> Last year everyone wanted to talk, but this year *nobody* wanted to.
[07:15] <pleia2> yeah, he did a nice job
[07:16] <nhaines> I meant to be at the Ubuntu booth more but I ended up showing friends and coworkers around.  This was the first year everyone showed up.  :)
[07:16] <pleia2> hehe
[07:17] <pleia2> the booth ended up being well-staffed, things worked out well
[07:19] <nhaines> My main focus this year was Ubucon anyway.  With 2.5 weeks it pretty much drained me.  I was *so* happy I could go up to my room and shower before my UpScale talk, and then fall asleep that night afterward.
[07:20]  * pleia2 nods
[07:20] <nhaines> I was less happy about driving my videographer home that same night before sleeping, but at least the video came out spectacular.
[17:35] <kevin6888296> dell is hiring!
[17:35] <kevin6888296> i suspect my probability of successfully landing the job is 1/10000
[17:40] <MarkDude> When I worked at a computer company- we used to mark broken equipment so it was clear it needed to be fixed. The word we used for that purpose was *Dell*
[17:44] <kevin6888296> i apparently don't work for the ubuntu community unless i am an ubuntu member
[17:44] <kevin6888296> that's interesting
[17:45] <MarkDude> Well *official* is a whole other thing
[17:46] <pleia2> kevin6888296: why do you say that?
[17:46] <kevin6888296> conversation i had in #slackware
[17:46] <pleia2> membership is merely a recognition of sustained and active involvement
[17:46]  * MarkDude was never an official member - and has and still helps put together Ubuntu events
[17:46] <kevin6888296> i'd push for ubuntu membership, but i don't see the benefit
[17:47] <MarkDude> kevin6888296, it gives you magical powers
[17:47] <akk> I wouldn't be too concerned what some random person in #slackware thinks about your ubuntu contributions.
[17:47] <pleia2> you can participate in the community and "work for the ubuntu community" without ever becoming a member (in fact, you *have to* to get membership!)
[17:47] <pleia2> akk: +1
[17:47] <kevin6888296> akk: i like slack, what can i say
[17:47] <MarkDude> as well as +1 saves for fire attacks
[17:47] <MarkDude> akk is of course correct
[17:48] <kevin6888296> i think i'll have to create subgenius linux now, though
[17:48] <kevin6888296> maybe i'll finish with that in a couple years
[17:48] <kevin6888296> MarkDude: i already have magical powers
[17:48] <MarkDude> Ok
[17:48]  * kevin6888296 waves his wand
[17:48]  * kevin6888296 smacks MarkDude on the forehead
[17:48] <kevin6888296> heal my son!
[17:49]  * kevin6888296 laughs
[17:49] <MarkDude> Well not to dismiss a whole Distro - but Slackware?
[17:49] <kevin6888296> Church of the Subgenius
[17:49] <kevin6888296> it's more about the culture, i've never gotten it to work on my system
[17:49] <kevin6888296> i may have slacked too much though
[17:49] <MarkDude> Alan Hicks is one thlarger names involved- and he certainly disparages it on his own
[17:50] <kevin6888296> coooool
[17:51] <kevin6888296> slackware sucks!
[17:51]  * kevin6888296 tries to use it
[17:52] <MarkDude> Set aside a day or two if you do
[17:53] <akk> As with all distros.
[17:53] <MarkDude> Not as much Ubuntu tho :)
[17:53] <MarkDude> Even Fedora if you have Broadcom card
[17:54] <MarkDude> Ubuntu is Swahili for - My wireless works- right out of the box :D
[17:54] <akk> I guess it depends on pickiness, but I find all distros have little things that won't work right and will need to be adjusted.
[17:54] <akk> Or, if you get unlucky, big things that you can't fix, like "sound doesn't work" or "suspend doesn't work".
[17:54] <MarkDude> I agree, Ubuntu's fail safes are more agreeable for starting out folks
[18:00] <kevin6888296> where's my usbstick
[18:01] <kevin6888296> hey MarkDude do you have a business card?
[18:03] <kevin6888296> in my imagination, i have a business card with a water mark, and it's as hard to duplicate as a $100 bill
[18:03]  * kevin6888296 wanders off
[18:04] <MarkDude> I DO have a business card
[18:04] <MarkDude> It appears that Partimus is likely to print some better quality cards for me :)
[18:50] <iheartubuntu> have a pleasant trip pleia2!
[18:51] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:57] <pleia2> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[18:57] <pleia2> yay! great job iheartubuntu :)
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> i was just going to ask about this :) they told me sometime friday
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> now the rush to beat OMG
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> haha
[18:59] <sn9> ubuntu is not swahili
[19:02] <pleia2> added to ubuntu-california.org
[19:03] <iheartubuntu> swahili?
[19:04] <sn9> [Fri 2011-04-08 09:54:11 AM PDT] <MarkDude> Ubuntu is Swahili for - My wireless works- right out of the box :D
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> i think he was joking
[19:05] <MarkDude> Beating OMGUbuntu? Can I take the 1st shot?
[19:06] <MarkDude> Yes sn9 it is a joke that is funny, because it is TRUE
[19:07] <MarkDude> Not the meaning of the word, but that is an accurate reflection of how much less time it takes to set Ubuntu up
[19:07] <kevin6888296> i must type with left hand only
[19:07]  * MarkDude helped Fedora's event at Scale- a it took a few hours to get Broadcom working on a Fedora machine.
[19:08] <kevin6888296> right hand hurts unless it's balled up in a fist
[19:08] <kevin6888296> :o
[19:09] <kevin6888296> oh wait i can use my thumb without it hurting
[19:09] <kevin6888296> MarkDude: fedora's event was awesome.  too bad ubucon didn't have something like that
[19:10] <kevin6888296> maybe i should take some ibuprofen
[19:10] <kevin6888296> aka advil, aka midol aka God knows what else
[19:10] <MarkDude> Well the idea, of having a local mirror rocks
[19:12] <kevin6888296> too bad the fedora meet up at SCaLE wasn't like a "lug".  more non-fedora users may have visited it
[19:13] <kevin6888296> there wasn't all that much room though
[19:13] <kevin6888296> how does one have an event at SCaLE anyway?
[19:18] <akk> MarkDude: It takes a while to get Broadcom working on ubuntu too -- remember the person at that Yahoo event?
[19:19] <MarkDude> Sure, I forgot about that
[19:19] <iheartubuntu> i think u can get broadcom working without a need to reboot
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> although u have to know where to look for the files on the disx
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> disc
[19:21] <akk> d got his working by downloading source from Broadcom's site and compiling it, but of course that isn't an option if the only network available is wireless.
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> thanks pleia2. talk about a simple design.
[19:21] <akk> He has since decided Broadcom's too much a PITA and ordered a different internal wireless card.
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> i redid the narwhal with inkscape so it was more crisp compared to my entry. so all inkscape for me. i jsut need to learn it more. i really got into it updating the CA team stuff
[20:19] <kevin6888296> dang, i can't find a graphic online of that maverick meerkat cartoon
[20:19] <kevin6888296> it would be cool if every release had a cartoon character
[20:20] <kevin6888296> i'm not good at drawing freehand, i can copy pretty good though
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> nhaines pleia2 etc - curious question why our print docs are made with inkscape and not say openoffice/libreoffice? any special reason?
[20:27] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: libre office documents don't scale
[20:27] <pleia2> in SVG all our documents can look beautiful as an 8.5x11 or a huge poster
[20:27] <pleia2> you can't get that with an office document
[20:30] <iheartubuntu> ahhhh got it
[20:30] <pleia2> MarkDude: please please take pictures at ISA that I can use for partimus.org :)
[20:30] <iheartubuntu> thats why im falling love with inkscape. i can sale things big or small and they still look perfect
[20:31] <akk> OO Draw can produce SVG, can't it? (Though I suspect inkscape is still the best tool for the job.)
[20:32] <akk> Is there no scalable opendoc graphics format? Or maybe that *is* SVG.
[20:33] <pleia2> it couldn't as of Lucid, I haven't tried newer versions
[20:33] <MarkDude> pleia2, that IS the reason I am going
[20:33] <pleia2> MarkDude: oh good :) thanks
[20:33] <pleia2> MarkDude: everyone always tells me they'll take pictures, then they never do ;) I figured I'd have to go myself
[20:34] <MarkDude> for all the deeds we do there are NO pics
[20:34] <pleia2> there are pictures here http://partimus.org/cacs.php
[20:34] <pleia2> so please stop telling me I don't take pictures
[20:35] <pleia2> I also blog about major changes and that goes to the ubuntu planet, with photos, and gets us lots of exposure :)
[20:35] <MarkDude> Ty
[20:35] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 what ever happened to that interview you did at scale :)
[20:36]  * MarkDude has asked for pics- should have just asked you
[20:36] <MarkDude> :)
[20:36] <pleia2> MarkDude: I replied to the thread where you asked for pics with that link!
[20:36] <MarkDude> Hmmm, how long ago?
[20:36] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: sec, lemme grab the link
[20:36] <Flannel> It's not the final product that needs to be SVG (you can rasterize stuff at a particular resolution and be fine for print for that item), it's the fact that all of the images/etc that go *into* it need to be flexible because they may need to be 1 inch wide, or 3 feet wide, that benefits from being vector.  (And then if everything is svg, you get a lot easier reuse too, even of finished documents)
[20:36] <pleia2> MarkDude: Mar 21
[20:37] <MarkDude> Anyway, I have been to one event this year I took pics
[20:37] <MarkDude> Ah yes the timing on that date was MOST unfortunate ;)
[20:38]  * MarkDude exasperation on this is the delay on getting a release with a kid in a pic
[20:38] <akk> Rasterizing for a huge poster is painful -- makes for a really huge image.
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> yay - someone signed up for pasadena ubuntu hour (unless that was you kev... 	openiduser341)
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> how do some images of say, peoples faces on a grocery store ad, not lose quality being 10 feet big?
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> those are vectorized or something?
[20:40] <akk> Those do lose quality.
[20:41] <Flannel> akk: Yeah, I would never recommend raster formats for anything over a single piece of paper, but if you're more comfortable with GIMP or OOo, it's doable, and you're comfortable with it, which is significant.
[20:41] <akk> Flannel: I've actually done that, designed letter-sized flyers in GIMP just because that's what I know. But I always feel like I'm doing a bad thing. :) (and the images come out rather large)
[20:42] <pleia2> unfortunately a lot of print companies won't take .svg, so I end up having to export huge svg into a huge pdf (that's what we did for our team banner)
[20:45] <Flannel> akk: Eh, there's nothing wrong with that at all.  The important thing is that the shared resources need to be the most flexible, which happens to be SVG.  It's like ripping all your music to FLAC, and then converting to media-format-of-the-month for whatever various devices you have at the moment (mp3, ogg, whatever-popular-format-comes-next).  Except in this case, often times the 'base' file format winds up being smaller :)
[21:07] <seidos> when i make stuff in Gimp, i keep the .xcf file
[21:09] <seidos> there's a lot misinformation on solar it seems, but i haven't done the math on the power needs of the house here it seems like it would be a viable option in so. cal
[21:16] <akk> socal is a fairly perfect place for solar
[21:17] <MarkDude> it Much of Norcal also- there are a few more variables
[21:17] <MarkDude> It even works in Oregon if you want it bad enough
[21:17] <seidos> i think our monthly bill is like $50
[21:18] <MarkDude> Germany has quite a bit- and think of how north they are
[21:18] <seidos> which is kind of high...
[21:18] <seidos> but i should be able to figure out what our current energy needs are based on that
[21:18] <akk> Here, power is very cheap and we couldn't possibly justify solar on a cost basis.
[21:19] <akk> We'd like to do it, but it would be "spend a lot of money to be green".
[21:19] <seidos> i am just thinking of it in terms of investing in infrastructure for future generations
[21:19] <MarkDude> Sure, if cost is you only basis
[21:19] <seidos> i was wondering why a power company couldn't invest in a "distributed solar power plant"
[21:19] <akk> We'd do it for sure if we knew we were staying in this house, but we keep talking about moving some day.
[21:19] <seidos> i need to put together a spreadsheet
[21:19] <MarkDude> Thermal heat exchange works even in places like Marin
[21:20] <seidos> i revisit this issue frequently, then promptly forget a lot of details
[21:20] <MarkDude> Heat exchange pays off in less than 10-5 years
[21:20] <seidos> thermal heat exchange?  you mean shaking hands and giving hugs?
[21:20] <MarkDude> solar can be 20
[21:20]  * MarkDude can explain later- heading to Partimus school
[21:20] <akk> Depends on what you pay.
[21:21] <seidos> heh, energy is so cheap people don't even use a sweater and turn the heater some places
[21:21] <akk> We're always in the lowest bracket (we conserve) so our power cost is very low.
[21:21] <MarkDude> Remind me later seidos
[21:21] <seidos> may the source be with you MarkDude
[21:21] <seidos> we'll see :)
[21:21]  * MarkDude used to work in alternative energy
[21:21] <seidos> i conserve quit a bit
[21:22] <akk> That's an issue for people who get electric cars, because they get bumped up to a high PG&E bracket
[21:22] <akk> and suddenly solar makes a lot more sense
[21:22] <seidos> i take cold showers, especially in the summer here
[21:22] <seidos> er, well, it's not just me
[21:22] <akk> brr -- I don't conserve that much :)
[21:22] <akk> I like my morning shower
[21:22] <seidos> it's warmer here
[21:22] <seidos> when it's 80 or 90 it doesn't make sense to take a hot shower
[21:24] <kdub> if i don't use a lot of energy, how will people know how important i am?!
[21:24] <iheartubuntu> ive read a lot of people are doing this sort of thing in detroit. homes are like $5000 so people get together... by a whole city block and a couple houses they just bulldoze and use for a community garden and solar panels
[21:25] <kdub> that would work for about a week until the solar panels get stolen for the copper inside
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> ive read this in a couple diff magazines now. im sure the home owners are on guard for all that sort of stuff
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> mostly a diverse artsy, computery group of individuals moving in
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> i forget what part.
[21:27] <seidos> detroit are probably ahead of the game:  namely, oh crap!  this is for real!
[21:27] <iheartubuntu> my parents first house was in detroit. it looks nothing like when they were there!
[21:28] <seidos> detroit was hard hit by the economic downturn from what i've read
[21:28] <iheartubuntu> i know of a guy who recently moved to detroit (big guy at ford) from calif here... he bought a 6br,3ba mansion for like $130k
[21:28] <seidos> isn't it like 7 cents per KwH here?
[21:28] <iheartubuntu> all brick, several acres, etc
[21:28] <seidos> i'm trying to remember the stat
[21:29] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: 13:02 < pleia2> lcafiero is interviewed at 38:49 http://www.thesourceshow.org/node/11 (I'm right after)
[21:29] <seidos> i remember calculating some ridiculous figure on generating electricity with a bike
[21:29] <pleia2> re: interview at scale
[21:29] <seidos> i think it was like an hour on the bike == an hour of LCD tv
[21:29]  * seidos wanders off
[21:29] <iheartubuntu> i have friends in a small town west of detroit... a town called owosso.... i jsut checked recently on zillow... you can get a 3br,1ba for like 30k... nice midwest style neighborhood with a river flowing by
[21:30] <iheartubuntu> thanks pleia2
[21:30] <pleia2> it's awful, I hate cameras :)
[21:30]  * pleia2 um um, uuuuh... and yeah, so we like ubuntu
[21:30] <pleia2> ;)
[21:32] <seidos> haha, i just thought of a game
[21:32] <seidos> "camera tag"
[21:32] <seidos> oh god, i'm such a nerd
[21:33] <seidos> i just imagined what that would be like
[21:34]  * seidos gets off the computer before he morphs into a turtle
[21:35]  * kdub moved from detroit
[21:46] <crashsystems> camera tag?
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> please explain camera tag
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> or are you trademarking it right now :)
[22:04] <nhaines> OpenOffice.org does not have SVG support, but LibreOffice does.
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> yay. not much of a dodgers fan, but manny ramirez retires from baseball after failing another drug test
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> anyone know the latest on that giants fan that got attacked down here in LA?
[22:09]  * kdub is going to padres/dodges tonight
[22:47] <seidos> i hope the dodgers lose
[22:47] <seidos> after that assault that took place
[22:47] <seidos> i'm a twins fan
[22:48] <seidos> and angeles > dodgers
[22:48] <seidos> er, angels
[22:48] <seidos> iheartubuntu: brain damage to the frontal lobe, last i heard
[22:48] <iheartubuntu> thats not good
[22:48] <iheartubuntu> reds fan here. crips all the way.
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> just kidding. mom is from cincy
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> :p
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> but last time i looked, id never heard of any of the team mates anymore. i switched to soccer
[22:50] <seidos> iheartubuntu: we have both been assaulted.  we are lucky our frontal lobes are intact :o
[22:50] <seidos> or...are they
[22:50]  * seidos takes off his clothes
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> hhmmmmm.
[22:50] <seidos> it would explain a lot of my behavior
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> seidos. your doctor visit isnt until 4pm
[22:50] <seidos> social functioning is supposedly controled by the frontal lobe
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> i guess all gang members have zero frontal lobes
[22:51]  * seidos looks at his watch, remembers he doesn't have one
[22:51] <seidos> i dunno about zero, and i'm not sure if it's a violence thing
[22:51] <seidos> all i know is about that guy that got that metal rod through his frontal lobe
[22:51] <seidos> and would do all kinds of weird stuff
[22:52] <seidos> like taking his clothes off...
[22:52] <seidos> it must be a gang mentality thing
[22:53] <seidos> to state the obvious, my frontal lobe isn't stopping me from thinking out loud
[22:53]  * seidos runs away
[23:00] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[23:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[23:22] <iheartubuntu> im working on an ad right now and looking for keywords. would you say "safe" and "secure" sorta mean the same when talking about ubuntu os?
[23:30] <seidos> anyone else using chromium?
[23:30] <seidos> isn't /usr/bin/sensible-browser weird?
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> someplace i noticed firefox for ubuntu is using .chrome for some stuff. what the heck.
[23:31] <seidos> it's just weird that there is more than one binary
[23:31] <seidos> yeah i noticed that too iheartubuntu
[23:31] <seidos> it's in the source
[23:32] <seidos> i assume that "chrome" has always been jargon in browser development
[23:33] <akk> Since about netscape 2, anyway.
[23:36] <seidos> sudo mv /usr/bin/chromium-browser chromium-navigator
[23:36] <seidos> and for sensible-browser too
[23:36] <seidos> i don't want to "browse" i want to "navigate"
[23:54] <nhaines> "chrome" means all the shiny bits of a UI that don't contribute to core functionality.
[23:55] <iheartubuntu> can i get peoples opinions on this flyer? thanks. http://www.iloveubuntu.com/pasadena-UH01.pdf
[23:55] <iheartubuntu> seeing if everyone likes my wording and such.
[23:57] <akk> Nice!
[23:57] <akk> One suggestion: give a URL for people who can't read QR codes.
[23:58] <nhaines> "Why not give Ubuntu a try today." is a question, and traditionally those end in question marks.  :)
[23:58] <iheartubuntu> i wasnt sure if i should put ubuntu.com or the actual loco ubuntu hour page url
[23:58] <akk> oh, yeah, definitely a ? there
[23:59] <akk> I wonder how many people know if they're tired of their old operating system -- or what an operating system is
[23:59] <sn9> relatively none
[23:59] <nhaines> Put a URL that relates to the event itself, but make it generic to the series and not to the actual event.  That way you can reuse the poster (except for the date above).
[23:59] <iheartubuntu> i dont want to put "are u tired of windows or mac"
[23:59] <akk> On the URL, I know I feel a little peeved at pages that have a QR code but no other way to get more info.
[23:59] <nhaines> I'm not sure "no government backdoors" is a good tagline for "open."
[23:59] <akk> "Are you tired of viruses and software that costs too much?