[03:16] <binox> hi all im in ubuntu but searching help on irc about modifying windows system files fro ubuntu hopefully from someone familiar with a windows shell called litestep
[03:16] <binox> i meant im in pa,  not ubuntu
[03:21] <munz_> lol
[03:22] <munz_> anyone around?
[03:22] <bleeber> whats up?
[03:22] <bleeber> im new here but I am around
[03:23] <munz_> lol
[03:23] <munz_> u usin 11.04 yet?
[03:23] <bleeber> nah, 10.10 here for now
[03:24] <munz_> cool, i like to have xchat go to my tray
[03:24] <munz_> but in 11.04 w/unity
[03:24] <munz_> trayed apps disappear 
[03:24] <munz_> :(
[03:25] <bleeber> yeah, I havent even tested unity yet
[03:25] <munz_> hope a fix/workaround comes out soon
[03:25] <bleeber> shame on me
[03:25] <munz_> lol
[03:25] <bleeber> Im just not buying the hype yet
[03:25] <bleeber> maybe once I get it on a box
[03:25] <munz_> i'm trying to be open minded
[03:25] <munz_> but....
[03:25] <bleeber> tried to put it on my eee but it failed (bad burn)
[03:26] <bleeber> so meh
[03:26] <munz_> so far like the classic gnome
[03:26] <munz_> lol
[03:26] <munz_> i hve it on an asus 1005hab
[03:27] <munz_> it would be really cool w/a touch screen tablet
[03:44] <munz_> yay! figured it out!
[13:14] <munz_werk__> morning! friday :D
[13:15] <mhall119> morning
[13:16] <munz_werk__> hey mhall119, do you like unity?
[13:17] <mhall119> It's nice, I can probably adjust
[13:17] <mhall119> either that or I'll switch to Xfce
[13:17] <munz_werk__> yea, i'm trying to give it a good try
[13:17] <mhall119> or maybe it's time I get snobbish and switch to FluxBox
[13:17] <munz_werk__> lol
[13:18] <mhall119> there's been an amazing about of work done to Unity in 6 months
[13:18] <mhall119> I'm sure it'll be even more polished by 11.10
[13:18] <mhall119> but there's still some parts that don't feel natural to me
[13:19] <mhall119> the dash, specifically, doesn't feel useful at all
[13:19] <munz_werk__> yea i feel the same
[13:19] <munz_werk__> i did not like that xchat would disappear in the tray but i fixed it by white listing it
[13:19] <mhall119> nobody's made an xchat message indicator yet?
[13:20] <munz_werk__> guess not
[13:20] <munz_werk__> after the white listing it shows up right
[13:20] <mhall119> try apt-get install xchat-indicator
[13:20] <munz_werk__> drop box too
[13:20] <munz_werk__> ohh ok
[13:20] <mhall119> yeah, Unity is trying to do away with systray, and move everything to indicators
[13:21] <mhall119> xchat-indicator should put an xchat entry into the messaging icon's menu
[13:21] <munz_werk__> do you know why? logically.
[13:22] <munz_werk__> ill try the xchat-indicator tonight when i get back home to my 11.04
[13:37] <maxolasersquad> I've been forcing myself to use Unity, but I feel relieved when I come into work and have Gnome 2 available for me again.
[13:37] <munz_werk__> that sums up how i feel
[13:38] <munz_werk__> i'm only running it on my asus netbook now
[13:39] <maxolasersquad> I really like to see the Software Center continue to improve.  I'd like to see them put all the functionality of Synaptic and update-manager in there and then remove them.
[13:55] <munz_werk__> maxolasersquad, i agree
[14:19] <mhall119> munz_werk__: from what I hear, the systray was always an ugly hack
[14:19] <munz_werk__> ok
[14:22] <maxolasersquad> I've discovered that I am starting to be annoyed evertime something decides to put itself in the systray.
[14:22] <maxolasersquad> Dropbox and easystroke are the two that I have demanding a presence in the systray.
[14:24] <munz_werk__> yea, normally dont like a bunch of stuff in the tray but i do like to hit the x on xchat and have it go to the tray
[14:25] <munz_werk__> that was my only issue w/it
[15:53] <tiemonster> Has anyone tried the BETA yet?
[15:54] <tiemonster> I can't get it to boot
[15:59] <munz_werk__> yea, i did not have any issues booting
[16:00] <munz_werk__> whats it doin?
[16:00] <tiemonster> I'm trying to run it in VBox
[16:00] <tiemonster> hangs after the ubuntu with dots screen
[16:00] <munz_werk__> ohh ok, i installed on physical asus eee
[16:01] <munz_werk__> enough mem & processor allocated and such?
[16:02] <munz_werk__> latest vr of vbox?
[16:02] <tiemonster> I imagine. half gig of ram?
[16:02] <tiemonster> should be
[16:04] <Awake_Atlast> the beta of?
[16:04] <munz_werk__> hmmmm...
[16:05] <tiemonster> Natty
[16:06] <munz_werk__> tiemonster, check this out http://askubuntu.com/questions/33470/compiling-vboxdrv-virtualbox-4-on-natty-beta-1
[16:06] <munz_werk__> you may need to update
[16:06] <munz_werk__> wait i read that wrong nm
[16:07] <tiemonster> ah yeah - I did install guest extensions. forgot about that.
[16:09] <tiemonster> I'll just wait for the release
[16:09] <munz_werk__> cool
[16:10] <tiemonster> I just wanted to play with Unity
[16:10] <munz_werk__> yea, i'v been trying to like it
[16:11] <munz_werk__> not sure yet, but atleast i can use "ubuntu classic" if i endup disliking it
[16:11] <tiemonster> for day-to-day operations, I have a hard policy of only running LTS releases
[16:12] <munz_werk__> good policy
[16:13] <munz_werk__> im 10.04 @ work, home server, and main laptop, my eee is 10.10 and 11.04
[16:16] <munz_werk__> dont think i had any complaints about 10.10, but 11.04 and unity.... not sure
[16:30] <mhall119> munz_werk__: use it consistently for a week before you make any final judgement
[16:30] <mhall119> also, they just landed a bunch of fixes and features last night
[16:35] <munz_werk__> mhall119, thats my goal, i dont want to be that guy that hates it b/c its different so i plan on using it at the least till after the RC
[16:35] <munz_werk__> i also keep updating daily
[16:35] <munz_werk__> to stay fresh :)
[16:36] <mhall119> munz_werk__: there won't be an RC this cycle
[16:36] <mhall119> beta is out, the next milestone is the final release
[16:36] <munz_werk__> ok
[16:37] <munz_werk__> then i will run at least till after final release :)
[16:37] <crashsystems> I'm loving 11.04
[16:37] <tiemonster> I keep looking for the maximize button on the left-hand side in Windows ;-)
[16:37] <mhall119> tiemonster: it's still there
[16:37] <mhall119> oh, in MS Windows
[16:37] <crashsystems> lol
[16:38] <mhall119> yeah, I did that too
[16:38] <tiemonster> yeah - I run Win 7 and Ubuntu 10.04 side-by-side
[16:39] <crashsystems> Funny how everyone is used to it now, and not to long ago it was all "shuttleworth eats babies because of buttons on the left" and all.
[16:39] <mhall119> lol
[16:39] <munz_werk__> lol
[16:39] <mhall119> I've actually found that I use keyboard shortcuts now
[16:39] <crashsystems> the unity shortcuts?
[16:40] <mhall119> regular metacity/compiz shortcuts
[16:40] <mhall119> which still work in Unity
[16:40] <crashsystems> I'm really liking meta+[number]. It has mostly replaced alt-tab for me.
[16:41] <mhall119> the one thing I don't like is super+T
[16:41] <crashsystems> what does that do?
[16:41] <mhall119> opens the trash
[16:41] <mhall119> but I've had it set to open terminal for a couple of years now
[16:42] <crashsystems> I've got one of those drop-down terminals, and have it set to the menu key
[16:49] <maxolasersquad>  The super button is broken in Unity because it can only be used for the sidebar.
[16:49] <maxolasersquad> I am so used to using super+spacebar to open gnome-do.
[16:49] <maxolasersquad> And always so sad when nothing happens.
[16:50] <munz_werk__>  COOOOOL super key shortcuts are cool :)
[16:51] <munz_werk__> is there a guide or some such?
[16:53] <maxolasersquad> munz_werk__: In Natty or before?
[16:53] <munz_werk__> natty
[16:54] <munz_werk__> never really used those shortcuts before
[16:54] <crashsystems> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[16:54] <maxolasersquad> With Unity just hit Super and then the number of the application on the left.
[16:54] <maxolasersquad> I think that's all there is to it.
[16:54] <crashsystems> there is more
[16:55] <maxolasersquad> Alt-F2 has much of the gnome-do functionality.  I'd like to see it have all of the functionality.
[16:55] <crashsystems> I've uninstalled gnome-do since upgrading.
[16:56] <maxolasersquad> Cool, thanks crashsystems.
[16:56] <munz_werk__> cool crashsystems that was what i was looking for
[17:14] <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: I have the same policy.  My work machine, primary home machine, and home pc at home are on 10.04.  My laptop is on 11.04.  My daughter's machine is on 10.10.
[17:28] <tiemonster> I found a machine the other day running 8.04. Old trusty.
[17:28] <tiemonster> server, though. big difference.
[17:29] <crashsystems> I was in Microcenter (local large electronics store) last week and saw one of their employee workstations running Ubuntu 10.04 desktop.
[17:39] <munz_werk__> where are you crashsystems?
[17:39] <crashsystems> santa clara, california
[17:39] <munz_werk__> cool
[17:40] <munz_werk__> i love cali
[17:40] <munz_werk__> hows the job market in santa clara
[17:40] <crashsystems> I'm prefering it to North florida, thats for sure
[17:41] <crashsystems> not sure. I've not really looked
[17:41] <munz_werk__> what do you do web dev?
[17:41] <crashsystems> web application security
[17:41] <crashsystems> aka I find the mistakes that web devs make
[17:41] <munz_werk__> lol
[17:42] <munz_werk__> how long you been out there?
[17:42] <crashsystems> I started mid november
[17:42] <munz_werk__> you like it?
[17:42] <crashsystems> yep
[17:43] <munz_werk__> cool
[17:43] <munz_werk__> i want to move out there
[17:45] <crashsystems> there are a number of people from the florida team who have moved out here
[17:46] <munz_werk__> i noticed a few
[17:46] <munz_werk__> did you find the job then move?
[17:47] <crashsystems> well, 'find' is not quite the word I would choose, but yes.
[17:47] <crashsystems> I had been looking for a job, and a friend who recently had gotten a job here told me about it and gave the department manager my resume.
[17:52] <munz_werk__> cool
[17:53] <munz_werk__> i want to make it out there but im not web dev or app sec
[17:53] <munz_werk__> general it net admin
[17:53] <munz_werk__> deal w/ms crap virusses
[17:53] <munz_werk__> everything not web
[17:53] <munz_werk__> sometimes light html