[14:25] <gohai> hi
[14:26] <gohai> i am testing the xubuntu beta
[14:26] <gohai> and noticed that there is often a greyish rectangle below the new scrollbars
[14:26] <gohai> e.g. in gedit
[14:27] <gohai> is this something that you are well aware of
[14:27] <gohai> or worth filling a bug?
[14:29] <mr_pouit> I think I know what you're describing, but could yo make a screenshot?
[14:30] <mr_pouit> *you
[14:30] <gohai> sure
[14:34] <mr_pouit> you can put temporary images on imagebin, or similar I think
[14:34] <gohai> will upload.. sec
[14:36] <gohai> put it here: http://sukzessiv.net/x120e/gedit-scrollbars.png
[14:37] <mr_pouit> mmh, this doesn't look like a resize grip
[14:38] <mr_pouit> ochosi: http://sukzessiv.net/x120e/gedit-scrollbars.png < do you know what's the grey rectangle below the scrollbar?
[14:38] <gohai> it's like the scrollbar gets the window height wrong
[14:41] <gohai> you know what package these fancy scrollbars belong to? i thought this would be overlay-scrollbar but that's not even installed here..
[14:42] <mr_pouit> ah, these weird rectangles only appear when the window isn't maximised
[14:42] <mr_pouit> and only in abiword and gedit so far
[14:43] <mr_pouit> mmh, no, I just had them in the Appearance settings dialog also
[14:43] <mr_pouit> gohai: from the gtk theme
[14:43] <mr_pouit> (greybird)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:44] <gohai> yeah, I see them in the Appearance settings as well
[14:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i think those rectangles are leftovers of the "resize-grip" patch by ubuntu
[14:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit: they didn't appear before that, and they're not present in maverick
[14:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit: don't think i can do anything about that in the gtk-theme
[14:47] <mr_pouit> yay
[14:48] <mr_pouit> gohai: try to file a bug against gtk+2.0 then
[14:48] <gohai> in ubuntu launchpad that is?
[14:48] <mr_pouit> 99.9% probability it'll be marked as invalid, but that's worth trying anyway
[14:48] <mr_pouit> yes please
[14:49] <mr_pouit> hey charlie-tca ochosi 
[14:50] <charlie-tca> here, finally
[14:51] <mr_pouit> gohai: (different topic) and for xfce4-volumed, I'll upload 0.1.12 as it only contains the bugfix for your issue, thanks for filing the bug report
[14:51] <gohai> thanks a lot!
[14:52] <charlie-tca> dangers of starting too early with Natty; got used to the resize grips and grey squares
[14:59] <gohai> filled as 754656
[15:00] <charlie-tca> bug 754656
[15:01] <gohai> another question:
[15:01] <gohai> i did a safe-upgrade one or two days ago
[15:02] <gohai> and now the settings menu is filled with loads of configuration dialogs
[15:02] <gohai> most of which are also accessible through Settings Manager
[15:02] <gohai> was this an intentional?
[15:03] <mr_pouit> gohai: what's the version of garcon on your system?
[15:03] <mr_pouit> (dpkg -l libgarcon-1-0)
[15:03] <gohai> 0.1.6-0ubuntu1
[15:03] <mr_pouit> fixed in 0.1.6-0ubuntu2
[15:03] <gohai> awesome
[15:12] <gohai> mr_pouit: that worked, looks clean now again
[15:13] <charlie-tca> gohai: are you running natty?
[15:13] <gohai> jep
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Normally, when running the development release, it is best to update every day. There are many changes happening fast.
[15:14] <charlie-tca> I watch #ubuntu+1, and if people are not complaining a lot about not being able to restart or login, I update.
[15:15] <gohai> :)
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Most of the problems reported do not actually happen to Xubuntu+1, for which I am grateful.
[15:15] <gohai> like it a lot so far
[15:16] <gohai> I haven't used xfce at all before
[15:17] <gohai> time for one more question:
[15:17] <gohai> I see issues with a lot of panels having their settings not saved when I exit
[15:18] <gohai> for example I am currently unable to set a keyboard shortcut to change the keyboard layout
[15:18] <mr_pouit> xfce4-xkb-plugin is particularly buggy
[15:18] <gohai> is this a very known bug or should I report for the instances where it matters to me?
[15:18] <gohai> but desperately needed here ;)
[15:21] <mr_pouit> if you can describe a reliable way to reproduce the crash, or if you have a gdb trace, or if apport is telling you xkb-plugin crashed, then you can file a bug on launchpad indeed
[15:37] <gohai> bug 754656
[15:37] <gohai> "how is this a gtk issue?"
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Because it was a change to gtk that added the resize grips to all windows, and this is a left-over from that change.
[15:40] <gohai> can i reply this explanation from you?
[15:42] <mr_pouit> I replied already
[15:43] <gohai> thanks
[15:43] <gohai> sorry for raising that fuss ;(
[15:44] <mr_pouit> no, it's seb128, it's usual ;-)
[15:45] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:51] <charlie-tca> should we refer seb128 to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops#Submitting%20a%20Kernel%20Oops%20Bug%20Report ?
[15:51] <charlie-tca> no
[15:52] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/704105
[15:55] <scott-work> hello, i based the latest plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio on xubuntu's plymouth theme and am now having trouble with it
[15:55] <scott-work> this isn't to imply that this is xubuntu's fault in any way :)   it's mine for being ignorant
[15:56] <scott-work> but i was wondering if anyone might have some suggestions on how to fix it
[15:56] <scott-work> basically it used to work but has now quit - it now longer displays the graphics or animation, but rather only shows a baby blue screen
[15:56] <scott-work> any help (even pointing me towards another person) would be extremely helpful
[15:57] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: added the gtk resize grip bug to the report for reference
[16:03] <mr_pouit> scott-work: tbh, I made the current theme in a hurry, probably by copying another one ;d
[16:03] <mr_pouit> so you should ask someone who actually knows something about plymouth, and that's not me, sorry :/
[16:05] <scott-work> lol, thanks mr_pouit  :)
[16:06] <scott-work> i did the ubuntustudio one in the same manner
[16:08] <ochosi> mr_pouit: btw, i noticed that resize-grip bug pretty early on, but since it seemed so hard to communicate with the team doing those changes i decided to focus on other things...
[16:09] <charlie-tca> The biggest thing I see with it is the grey squares/rectangles are a bit of an eyesore. 
[16:10] <ochosi> yeah, it's not critical, but it's annoying, i agree
[16:11] <mr_pouit> ochosi: same, and I even forgot it ;>
[16:11] <charlie-tca> they don't really affect the function at all, and I think the one in gedit is intentional. I believe Ubuntu already modified gedit to have that rectangle, since without it, the resize grip covers the arrow