[01:42] <Guest10341> exit
[01:43] <Guest10341> bye
[02:42] <lostson>  /j #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:42] <lostson> oops
[03:42] <l4ng1t> i accidentally add new item verve command at top panel
[03:43] <l4ng1t> how can i remove it? :(
[05:17] <XubuntuKris> anyone know how to open a file in the file system as rw instead of ro?
[05:25] <xubuntu078> soy nuevo en esto quien me ayuda
[05:26] <xubuntu078> quien habla español
[05:26] <xubuntu078> ???
[06:01] <ljsoftnet> how do i upgrade xfce 4.6 to xfce 4.8?
[06:09] <Unit193> ljsoftnet: I would think it's better to wait 'til 11.04 (Natty)
[06:10] <ljsoftnet> Unit193 ok
[06:14] <ljsoftnet> Unit193 is it safe if i use the koshi PPA?
[06:18] <Unit193> ljsoftnet: Couldn't tell one way or the other
[06:19] <ljsoftnet> Unit193 ok
[06:24] <ljsoftnet> Unit193 when 11.04 is release, will it upgrade my xfce 4.6 to 4.8?
[06:26] <Unit193> ljsoftnet: If you do a release upgrade (or reinstall), then yes it will
[07:23] <ljsoftnet> my panel has issues, when i add "Network Monitor" applet it says "...unexpectedly left...", Execute or Remove if i select Execute nothing happens
[07:25] <leoquant> !panel
[07:38] <ljsoftnet> when i add Network Monitor in my panel it, says "...unexpectedly left..." Execute or Remove, if i click on Execute nothing happens
[07:51] <leoquant> ljsoftnet, i am in the proces of updating xubuntu in vmware, so ik can t give support from a xubuntu machine at the moment
[07:52] <ljsoftnet> leoquant ok
[12:19] <n00ben> .
[13:02] <paul__> newish user here - I have accidentally created a 'Home' folder on my desktop. it doesn't appear to be a link and I can't delete it. If I drag it to the wastebasket all my files from my home folder go there! what's going on any idea?
[13:05] <paul__> if I hover over it it's labelled as 'kind: folder'
[16:18] <faLUCE> hi. I have installed ubuntu 10.10 on an acer aspire d255 netbook. as soon as I plug the network cable, the mouse pointer has motion problems ... there's a sort of conflict... what could I do?
[16:24] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCE, if you think it a conflict change the bios to plug and play OS to NO
[16:25] <Lord_Rahl> then the bios will assign the IRQ's
[16:26] <faLUCE> Lord_Rahl: but if I set no plug and play, it won't be the plug and play....
[16:26] <faLUCE> I mean: when I connect the cable, I need to restart network communication every time
[16:27] <faLUCE> if I set NO plug and play
[16:27] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCe, no that just means if it is set to yes the bios doe not set the irq and let the os do it
[16:28] <faLUCE> Lord_Rahl: ok, thanks. let's try your tip
[16:28] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCE, USB and all pnp device will work just fine
[16:28] <Lord_Rahl> i will be here
[16:42] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCE, did it work?
[16:51] <faLUCE> Lord_Rahl: I couldn't find the plug and play option in the bios ... it's a small bios
[16:54] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCE, is it still doing on reboot
[16:57] <faLUCE> Lord_Rahl: yes
[16:58] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCE, if you plug in a usb mouse does it display the same problem?
[17:01] <faLUCE> Lord_Rahl: no problem with the mouse
[17:12] <Lord_Rahl> faLUCE, check out this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[17:13] <Cortex> hi, i was wondering how i could my delete my XP partition and use everything else for Xubuntu?
[17:15] <Cortex> it seems i've made my xubuntu partition too small and won't be using XP
[17:26] <Cortex> i need to be able to do this without using live cd or usb, don't have any of those with me right now
[17:48] <MikeDD> First off, hello to everyone!
[17:48] <knome> hello
[17:48] <MikeDD> I am pulling my hair out, well rather cussing up a storm
[17:49] <MikeDD> I had my external usb hard drive with read-write access enabled
[17:49] <knome> please try to keep the discussion family-friendly though ;)
[17:49] <MikeDD> some error occurred, and on rebooting I lost write access
[17:49] <MikeDD> Iĺl keep my self under control :)
[17:49] <paul_> newish user here - I have accidentally created a 'Home' folder on my desktop. it doesn't appear to be a link and I can't delete it. If I drag it to the wastebasket all my files from my home folder go there! what's going on any idea?
 if I hover over it it's labelled as 'kind: folder'
[17:50] <paul_> posted earlier but not resolved any ideas
[17:50] <charlie-tca> paul_: it belongs there
[17:50] <ochosi> paul_: have you looked at the folder-properties yet?
[17:50] <charlie-tca> home is the folder where everything *you* save goes
[17:51] <MikeDD> The partition I am trying to re-enable write access to is an hfsplus partition.
[17:51] <ochosi> paul_: i assume you have maybe activated the home folder to be shown on the desktop, go to desktop settings > Icons and untick "Home"
[17:52] <knome> paul_, (right-click desktop for the desktop settings link)
[17:52] <MikeDD> I tried to chmod it, but it keeps saying Read-only....
[17:52] <MikeDD> keeps giving the drive to root
[17:53] <MikeDD> I can send my fstab if it helps
[17:53] <charlie-tca> pastebin the fstab file
[17:53] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[17:54] <MikeDD> !pastebin /etc/fstab
[17:54] <MikeDD> ?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:54] <MikeDD> do I open it and then copy all text first?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> copy the text to that link, it will give you a URL you need to tell us here
[17:56] <Rodensky> hello. i'm new to xfce. how do i edit the applications menu?
[17:56] <paul_> thak you that's fixed it...I suspect my daughter was fiddling with things ;)
[17:56] <Rodensky> is there something similar to gnome's alacarte?
[17:57] <paul_> I asked that question yesterday Rodensky, 1 sec
[17:57] <ochosi> Rodensky: until xubuntu 10.10 you have to do it by hand (edit a file), in 11.04 (released later this month) you can use alacarte
[17:57] <MikeDD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591349/
[17:57] <Rodensky> ochosi, how do i edit it? which file?
[17:59] <paul_> @Rodensky It is in /usr/share/applications
[17:59] <ochosi> Rodensky: one sec, i have to dig up the file
[17:59] <ochosi> paul_: no, those are only the launcher files
[17:59] <paul_> ah, ok sorry
[17:59] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: the way it reads, only the user name "mark" can access those files without being root
[18:01] <paul_> I have another problem - sometimes my wireless connection connects to 'none' rather than the correct connection. There are plenty of other peoples networks visible in the list but 'none' isn't one of them - what's going on there?
[18:01] <MikeDD> That is the username I am logging in under
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Is that user also in the group "users" ?
[18:02] <MikeDD> It keeps giving control over to root and I can´t figure out why
[18:02] <ochosi> Rodensky: check out the "How to edit the auto generated menu with the menu editor?" section here: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq
[18:03] <ochosi> ah right, that's a bit outdated i guess
[18:03] <MikeDD> mark´s group is mark
[18:03] <charlie-tca> You can't edit the menu with an editor until natty
[18:03] <ochosi> Rodensky: maybe complicated but this is how it works: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[18:03] <Rodensky> thank you
[18:03] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: I would try changing users after gid to mark then
[18:04] <MikeDD> I am going to change it, reboot and come back to the channel.
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:06] <paul_> what should I do if I get a 404 not found error when trying to install via synaptic? I'm trying to get a Gimp plug-in and would prefer to install via official repo
[18:08] <charlie-tca> try reloading with the button on the left, then try again
[18:08] <paul_> tried many times already :( - maybe some sort of maintenance in progress?
[18:09] <paul_> No, I lied... I din't reload first. trying that now....
[18:09] <paul_> seems to be working :)
[18:13] <MikeDD> *sigh*....
[18:14] <paul_> charlie-tca: thanks, sorry for density at this end
[18:15] <MikeDD> ok.. if I type ¨chmod 777 /media/UNTITLED¨, it seems to accept the command, meaning it doesn´t say Read-only... goes to another line and changed nothing..
[18:15] <MikeDD> adding -R changes nothing either
[18:16] <charlie-tca> sudo chmod 777 /media/UNTITLED
[18:17] <MikeDD> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/UNTITLED_': Read-only file system
[18:18] <charlie-tca> sudo in front gave you that?
[18:19] <MikeDD> I know it´s me on this one... I had this right yesterday.  I wish I could remember what I did that worked in the first place.  I thought I wrote down the proper commands....
[18:19] <MikeDD> sudo gave me that..
[18:19] <MikeDD> the drive´s actual label is UNTITLED
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Wait a minute
[18:19] <charlie-tca> # /dev/sdb3     /media/UNTITLED auto    user,uid=mark,gid=users            0       0
[18:19] <charlie-tca> can not work
[18:19] <charlie-tca> it is commented out
[18:20] <MikeDD> commented out?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> you should remove the # in front of the line for it to work
[18:20] <MikeDD> omg
[18:20] <MikeDD> face palm..
[18:21] <charlie-tca> then you probably need to make it say "auto,user, etc
[18:22] <MikeDD> /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED auto,user 0 0
[18:22] <MikeDD> like that? does spacing matter?
[18:23] <charlie-tca> no, you want all the options together:   auto,user,uid=mark,gid=users
[18:23] <MikeDD> should I just take the # out?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> or am I confused ? auto is to detect the fs type?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> yes, take the # and space out from the front of the line
[18:24] <MikeDD> auto to detect the ft, yes
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Try without the # and space. See if that works, first
[18:37] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: Well, did it work?
[18:38] <MikeDD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591377/
[18:38] <MikeDD> nope
[18:38] <MikeDD> changed it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/591377/ settings
[18:38] <MikeDD> still mounting for root..
[18:49] <MikeDD> Ahh, the daymare continues...
[18:51] <MikeDD> the following does not work.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/591385/
[18:52] <MikeDD> sudo chmod 777 /media/UNTITLED    returns a response of Read-only blah blah blah
[18:53] <charlie-tca> try sudo chown mark:mark /media/UNTITLED
[18:54] <charlie-tca> if you do not own the directory, it won't let you mount it as user
[18:55] <ochosi> if it's a dir you need to add "-R" > "sudo chown -R mark /media/UNTITLED"
[18:55] <charlie-tca> I didn't want to change all the files, since I don't know who owned them?
[18:55] <ochosi> ah
[18:56] <ochosi> right
[18:56] <charlie-tca> but a user can not mount rw in a root dir
[18:56] <ochosi> sry to interfere then :)
[18:56] <ochosi> but if it's about ownership of a dir i think you always need -R, no?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> no, not unless you want to change ownership of every file
[18:57] <charlie-tca> this is a separate drive, I think, and if it is not user owned, I don't to mess it up
[19:11] <MikeDD> What is +i?
[19:12] <charlie-tca> for IRC it means invite
[19:12] <MikeDD> oh
[19:12] <charlie-tca> gives an individual voice permissions in a channel that is not open to all
[19:12] <MikeDD> ok
[19:13] <MikeDD> The most frustrating part, this was working last night...
[19:14] <MikeDD> I had full access, write/copy/paste/delete   the whole shibang..
[19:14] <charlie-tca> did you try changing owner of /media/UNTITLED ?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> what changed since last night?
[19:15] <MikeDD> Something happened, but I didnt think to screencap the message
[19:16] <MikeDD> I was playing Blender tutorial videos, and it said something about not being able to access.. access violation
[19:16] <MikeDD> I changed nothing last night though, all changes happened since I woke up and tried to fix it.
[19:17] <charlie-tca> try ls -l and see if root owns every file on the partition
[19:17] <MikeDD> sudo chown mark /media/UNTITLED returns this chown: changing ownership of `/media/UNTITLED': Read-only file system
[19:17] <charlie-tca> but it let you be owner
[19:18] <charlie-tca> now try umount and mount manually, see if it will let it go to rw
[19:18] <MikeDD> what is the command to check ownership within the terminal?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> ls -l
[19:18] <charlie-tca> those are L's
[19:19] <MikeDD> sudo umount?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> sudo umount /media/UNTITLED
[19:20] <charlie-tca> that is an unmount command
[19:20] <MikeDD> drwxrwxrwx 2 mark root 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED
[19:20] <MikeDD> now it says I am owner in the terminal
[19:20] <charlie-tca> owned by mark, in group root
[19:21] <MikeDD> chown it again as mark:mark?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> sudo chown mark:mark /media/UNTITLED
[19:21] <charlie-tca> sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED
[19:23] <MikeDD> chown: changing ownership of `/media/UNTITLED': Read-only file system
[19:23] <charlie-tca> with the drive unmounted?
[19:23] <MikeDD> drive is mounted.
[19:23] <MikeDD> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   25 2011-04-05 05:22 UNTITLED
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Is this a USB drive?
[19:24] <MikeDD> yes
[19:25] <charlie-tca> windows files or linux files?
[19:25] <MikeDD> mac osx formatted, jounaling disabled
[19:26] <MikeDD> hfsplus partitioned
[19:26] <MikeDD> at least I think it is hfsplus
[19:26] <MikeDD> 99.9% sure
[19:26] <charlie-tca> in a terminal, sudo -i
[19:26] <charlie-tca> makes you become root, so be careful
[19:27] <MikeDD> ok
[19:27] <MikeDD> done
[19:27] <MikeDD> in as root
[19:27] <charlie-tca> try now     chown mark:mark /media/UNTITLED
[19:28] <charlie-tca> then type     exit
[19:28] <MikeDD> response   chown: changing ownership of `/media/UNTITLED': Read-only file system
[19:28] <MikeDD> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   25 2011-04-05 05:22 UNTITLED
[19:29] <MikeDD> Does the fstab come into play at this point? can that conflict with what I am trying?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> It still is not allowing you to become owner
[19:29] <charlie-tca> not if you umounted the drive and then mounted in terminal
[19:31] <MikeDD> ok, I just did the following...  typed: umount /media/UNTITLED
[19:31] <charlie-tca> you have to sudo it
[19:31] <charlie-tca> unless you are still root
[19:31] <MikeDD> drwxrwxrwx 2 mark mark 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED
[19:31] <MikeDD> I was still root
[19:32] <charlie-tca> exit
[19:32] <charlie-tca> type exit to get out of root now
[19:32] <MikeDD> done
[19:32] <charlie-tca> now let's try to manually mount the drive
[19:33] <MikeDD> ok, I right clicked and did properties and it says mark is in control
[19:34] <MikeDD> now I need to make the fstab changes right?  So when I reboot it mounts it correctly?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED
[19:34] <charlie-tca> try it first manually, if it won't work, fstab will also fail
[19:35] <charlie-tca> If you can not manually mount the drive and access it rw, you won't make fstab do it either
[19:35] <MikeDD> that mounted it, but gave it back to root being in control
[19:36] <charlie-tca> That means all the files on it are owned by root
[19:36] <charlie-tca> or by an unknown user
[19:37] <charlie-tca> if we make you the owner, I don't know if mac osx will be able to read it
[19:37] <MikeDD> Can I put this into the pastebin, the terminal info
[19:37] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:37] <charlie-tca> you can hilight with the mouse, use either right-click or Ctrl+c to copy it
[19:37] <MikeDD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591401/
[19:38] <MikeDD> oh, and just so you know, EXTERNAL is irrelevant.. it has nothing to do with the UNTITLED
[19:38] <charlie-tca> there is a disk in the drive?
[19:39] <MikeDD> it is a hard drive
[19:39] <MikeDD> UNTITLED is a hard drive, EXTERNAL is a folder I made that has no references to it in any capacity..
[19:39] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:40] <MikeDD> I made the folder EXTERNAL earlier in an attempt to make a mount point, but there should be no references to it in the fstab or elsewhere
[19:40] <charlie-tca> are you sure you have right partition?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> sdb3?
[19:41] <MikeDD> sdb3, pretty sure..
[19:41] <charlie-tca> how many partitions on that drive?
[19:41] <MikeDD> unless it has to be sdb1?
[19:41] <MikeDD> what is the command to list partitions?
[19:42] <Unit193> sudo fdisk -l
[19:42] <MikeDD> Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I would guess you should umount again, then mount as /dev/sdb1
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Every partition on a drive gets a number, in sequence starting with 1
[19:43] <MikeDD> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[19:43] <charlie-tca> if there is only one partition, then it is sdb1
[19:44] <MikeDD> I did that before, I think, as sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED
[19:44] <charlie-tca> try it, but change that sdb3 to sdb1
[19:45] <Rodensky> hello. i have a wireless network at home but i can't connect to it from my laptop. the system  says "device not ready". xubuntu 10.04 newly installed
[19:45] <MikeDD> what about the -o rw part?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> just use the sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb1 /media/UNTITLED
[19:46] <charlie-tca> sdb3 is empty or non-existent, which is why it doesn't ask for the file type
[19:46] <MikeDD> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
[19:47] <MikeDD> as sdb3 it just goes to another prompt
[19:47] <MikeDD> sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED  returns   mark@Yagee:/media$
[19:48] <charlie-tca> at the prompt, with sdb3, what does    ls -l /media/UNTITLED     give you?
[19:48] <MikeDD> root root
[19:48] <charlie-tca> any files at all?
[19:49] <MikeDD> umounting it via sudo umount /media/UNTITLED and then ls -l turns it back into mark mark
[19:49] <charlie-tca> but does mounting it as sdb3 show any files?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> even if they are read only, are there any?
[19:54] <Rodensky> please help :] i googled my problem but i got too many resaults and couldn't find what i needed :]
[20:00] <Unit193> Rodensky: You know that wireless card works on your network?
[20:01] <Rodensky> i had ubuntu 8.04-11.04 and debian installed on this laptop and they all had no problem connecting
[20:01] <Rodensky> so yeah, i guess it works
[20:02] <Unit193> Can you check for drivers at Administration -> Hardware drivers (or something  like that)
[20:04] <Rodensky> i have two broadcom wireless drivers inactivated, one is called B43 and the other is STA. do i need to activate both or only one (and if so- which one)?
[20:04] <Unit193> Is the card USB, PCMCIA, or built-in?
[20:05] <Rodensky> built-in
[20:06] <Unit193> I think the command "lspci" will list what it is
[20:06] <Unit193> (I don't have a laptop and my Xubuntu desktop had a HDD failure)
[20:07] <Rodensky> i says BCM4312, so i'll try  the B43 first
[20:08] <Unit193> Rodensky: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:10] <Unit193> Does it have ethernet access to internet?
[20:10] <Rodensky> yes
[20:10] <Unit193> Did you get it installed?
[20:11] <Rodensky> by that list i need to install STA but i can't, it says "installation of his driver failed"
[20:11] <Rodensky> three times in a row
[20:12] <Unit193> Go for the B43 (the site seems to have both drivers listed for your device)
[20:13] <Rodensky> right now i'm usind the same laptop with the ethernet cable
[20:13] <Rodensky> i'm installing the B43
[20:14] <Rodensky> yay
[20:14] <Rodensky> it worked. thanks!! :)
[20:14] <Unit193> Sure, anything else?
[20:35] <MikeDD> You know what is funny..
[20:35] <MikeDD> when it is not mounted, it says drwxrwxrwx 2 mark mark 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED
[20:36] <MikeDD> when I then mount with sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED it says drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   25 2011-04-05 05:22 UNTITLED
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Yes, the directory is permanent, but it takes on whatever the partition is when mounted
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Rodensky: did you get that working?
[20:36] <MikeDD> is there a way to mount it not as root?
[20:36] <Rodensky> yes
[20:37] <Unit193> Sweet!
[20:37] <Rodensky> i had to restart after the driver was installed and now it works. thank you :)
[20:37] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: when you do an     ls -l /media/UNTITLED      , do you see any files listed?
[20:37] <Rodensky> one more question. how do i make a partition automount when the system starts up?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> Add it to /etc/fstab
[20:39] <MikeDD> brb, another reboot
[20:39] <charlie-tca> wait
[20:40] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: did you change the auto to hfsplus in fstab yet?
[20:40] <Rodensky> is there a gui for that? :]
[20:40] <MikeDD> yes, but I didnt reboot yet
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Rodensky: nope
[20:41] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: you can change owner back to root if it bothers you that it keeps changing like that. Just
[20:41] <charlie-tca> sudo chown root:root /media/UNTITLED
[20:41] <charlie-tca> will fix it
[20:41] <MikeDD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591428/
[20:42] <Rodensky> ok thanks
[20:42] <charlie-tca> MikeDD: gid 0000 ???
[20:42] <charlie-tca> What group is that?
[20:43] <charlie-tca> uid 1000 will be mark, but what is 0000 ? Is that a typo?
[20:43] <Unit193> Rodensky: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[20:44] <MikeDD> probably
[20:44] <MikeDD> I will use 1000 instead
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that should be more right
[20:45] <MikeDD> do I need commas at uuid=1000 0 0?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:45] <charlie-tca> space tells the system it is a new field
[20:46] <MikeDD> /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED hfsplus rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,uuid=1000 0 0?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:46] <charlie-tca> take out that uuid=1000
[20:47] <charlie-tca> uuid is different, that is the great big numbers used on the other lines
[20:47] <MikeDD> /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED hfsplus rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:47] <MikeDD> saving that, and should I reboot the whole machine?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, try it. You can use mount -a in a terminal instead of rebooting, if you umount the drive first
[20:50] <MikeDD> it is doing the same thing.
[20:51] <MikeDD> when it isnt mounted it says mark mark, when I mount it - it goes to root root
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Because the files are owned by root
[20:52] <charlie-tca> did you find any files on the drive?
[20:52] <MikeDD> when it is mounted
[20:53] <charlie-tca> okay, If we make them read write, I don't know if osx will be able to read them anymore.
[20:53] <charlie-tca> We can try it, if you want to.
[20:53] <MikeDD> I dont care if the mac sees it
[20:53] <charlie-tca> in a terminal      sudo -i
[20:54] <charlie-tca> in a terminal          cd /media
[20:54] <MikeDD> ok
[20:54] <charlie-tca> in a terminal         cd UNTITLED
[20:54] <MikeDD> done and done
[20:54] <MikeDD> done
[20:54] <charlie-tca>  now,  ls -l
[20:54] <MikeDD> ok
[20:54] <charlie-tca> any file, who owns it?      root root     ?
[20:55] <MikeDD> most are root root, some are 99 99 a couple are mark mark
[20:55] <MikeDD> I want them all mark mark
[20:55] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:56] <charlie-tca> chown -R mark:mark /media/UNTITLED
[20:58] <MikeDD> processing them, at the end of each line it says Read-only something..
[20:58] <MikeDD> Maybe it will work..?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> If it changes owner, we don't care what it says
[20:59] <charlie-tca> now again,     ls -l
[20:59] <charlie-tca> did it change them all?
[20:59] <MikeDD> no
[20:59] <MikeDD> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   56 2011-04-07 09:47 SHARED VIDEO
[20:59] <MikeDD> they all stayed the same
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I am out of ideas now
[20:59] <charlie-tca> exit
[20:59] <charlie-tca> get out of root
[21:00] <MikeDD> exited
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone else knows what to try next.
[21:01] <MikeDD> trying the original command, that worked previously.. again..
[21:01] <MikeDD> rebooting
[21:15] <MikeDD> Apparently my computer thinks that I am not cool enough
[21:18] <Unit193> MikeDD: (I don't know what all you have done) If you boot off a LiveCD can you write to the drive?
[21:37] <MikeDD> I dont know if I can
[21:37] <MikeDD> havent tried that
[21:38] <MikeDD> I imagine that it would be the same, reads it but doesnt write/delete..
[21:38] <MikeDD> havent tried that though
[21:40] <Unit193> It's a long shot at best.... charlie is much smarter about this then I am...
[21:40] <MikeDD> ok, here is whats odd..
[21:41] <MikeDD> when not mounted: drwxrwxrwx 2 mark mark 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED
[21:41] <MikeDD> when I mount it with, sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED , it says nothing and goes to the prompt
[21:42] <MikeDD> then I type ls -l and get: total 0
[21:45] <Unit193> Again, I have never needed to use a mac HD/USB in linux, all I can do is point to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus
[21:55] <Unit193> MikeDD: http://www.derekdahmer.com/2009/11/mount-hfs-in-ubuntu-live-cd-with-write-access/
[22:03] <MikeDD> trying that route right now
[22:12] <MikeDD> I followed their instructions, and root root is still the owner
[22:13] <MikeDD> chown doesnt change anything when: sudo chown -R mark /media/UNTITLED    is typed
[22:13] <MikeDD> it all keeps ending with Read-only...
[22:13] <MikeDD> This was working before..
[22:14] <knome> 'sudo chown -R mark:mark /media/UNTITLED' ?
[22:14] <MikeDD> i will try that
[22:15] <MikeDD> wait a sec, the -o sets owner is in control right?
[22:15] <MikeDD> but -u doesnt work, can I set it for user or something?
[22:16] <MikeDD> or does -o remove something?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> no, -o is options
[22:17] <MikeDD> also, under user control settings window within xfce, it had the check mark in group names for me unchecked (so I checked it on)
[22:17] <charlie-tca> when manually mounting, it tells mount that everything after the -o to the next space is an option you want used
[22:17] <MikeDD> I havent rebooted since checking in that box though
[22:18] <charlie-tca> It won't activate until reboot or log out/ login
[22:18] <Unit193> Could #ubuntu help?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> possible, or even #ubuntu-beginners
[22:19] <charlie-tca> either one can give more help, when we run out of knowledge
[22:19] <MikeDD> let me do that as soon as this thing finishes attempting to chown, which I know will fail... :)
[22:19] <MikeDD> yeah, I am going to reboot this in a sec and see what is up
[22:34] <MikeDD> As soon as I mount it, it switches to root being the owner
[22:35] <MikeDD> also, fdisk -l returns nothing
[22:37] <MikeDD> sudo fdisk -l results in it saying that /dev/sdb doesn´t contain a valid partition table
[22:37] <MikeDD> which I dont see how that can be right...
[22:37] <knome> have you tried fsck? :P
[22:37] <MikeDD> no not yet
[22:37] <knome> probably you should
[22:38] <knome> just to be sure that's not it
[22:38] <MikeDD> fsck.ext2: Permission denied while trying to open /dev/sdb3
[22:38] <MikeDD> You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root
[22:38] <MikeDD> let me sudo it
[22:39] <MikeDD> hfsplus not found?
[22:39] <MikeDD> fsck: fsck.hfsplus: not found
[22:39] <MikeDD> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.hfsplus for /dev/sdb3
[22:40] <charlie-tca> that's possible, it is unable to find the right app for checking the file system, it has to tell you that
[22:40] <Sysi> log is too long, what's the original problem?
[22:41] <knome> Sysi, can't get write access to hfsplus partition
[22:41] <charlie-tca> how to mount the hfsplus drive for read/write
[22:41] <charlie-tca> as the user
[22:41] <Sysi> hfs+ writing support is experimental, not necessary at all included in ubuntu
[22:41] <MikeDD> the following is installed already: hfsplus, libhfsp0, hfsutils
[22:41] <Sysi> !hfs
[22:42] <MikeDD> this isnt installed: hfsutils-tcltk
[22:42] <MikeDD> under user settings, mounting user-space wasnt checked
[22:42] <MikeDD> should it be?
[22:42] <MikeDD> it had (FUSE) next to it
[22:43] <Sysi> iirc the possible write support is anyway only for non-journaled hfs, you need to disable it
[22:44] <knome> err, most probably fuse needs to be enabled
[22:44] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus
[22:44] <knome> at least you can try it
[22:48] <MikeDD> !FUSE
[22:48] <MikeDD> !hfs
[22:49] <Sysi> see that link i gave
[22:50] <MikeDD> I checked that one out
[22:50] <MikeDD> I will try it again that way
[22:51] <MikeDD> reading the gentoo wiki one also
[22:52] <MikeDD> according to grep hfs /proc/filesystems   I get back hfs and hfsplus
[23:01] <MikeDD> rebooting
[23:07] <MikeDD> still trying... fun...
[23:09] <MikeDD> For some reason, no matter what I change... it wants to mount it as root
[23:13] <MikeDD> manually tried mounting it...
[23:14] <MikeDD> Looking around for Ashton Kutcher...
[23:14] <Unit193> #ubuntu couldn't help?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> Have you tried unplugging the drive and plugging it in again?
[23:14] <MikeDD> havent checked there..
[23:14] <MikeDD> turning the drive off..
[23:17] <charlie-tca> just a thought... When all else fails, try the things that we know won't help.
[23:17] <MikeDD> now it says that sdb3 doesnt exist.
[23:17] <charlie-tca> right, you will need to at least logout/login, maybe restart
[23:17] <MikeDD> mount: special device /dev/sdb3 does not exist
[23:17] <MikeDD> ok, reboot time aaaaahhh yeah!
[23:18] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Can he write/delete files with sudo?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> no
[23:19] <charlie-tca> same thing, read only mount point