=== cookie is now known as Guest10341 [01:42] exit [01:43] bye [02:42] /j #xubuntu-offtopic [02:42] oops [03:42] i accidentally add new item verve command at top panel [03:43] how can i remove it? :( [05:17] anyone know how to open a file in the file system as rw instead of ro? [05:25] soy nuevo en esto quien me ayuda [05:26] quien habla español [05:26] ??? [06:01] how do i upgrade xfce 4.6 to xfce 4.8? [06:09] ljsoftnet: I would think it's better to wait 'til 11.04 (Natty) [06:10] Unit193 ok [06:14] Unit193 is it safe if i use the koshi PPA? [06:18] ljsoftnet: Couldn't tell one way or the other [06:19] Unit193 ok [06:24] Unit193 when 11.04 is release, will it upgrade my xfce 4.6 to 4.8? [06:26] ljsoftnet: If you do a release upgrade (or reinstall), then yes it will [07:23] my panel has issues, when i add "Network Monitor" applet it says "...unexpectedly left...", Execute or Remove if i select Execute nothing happens [07:25] !panel [07:25] Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [07:38] when i add Network Monitor in my panel it, says "...unexpectedly left..." Execute or Remove, if i click on Execute nothing happens [07:51] ljsoftnet, i am in the proces of updating xubuntu in vmware, so ik can t give support from a xubuntu machine at the moment [07:52] leoquant ok [12:19] . [13:02] newish user here - I have accidentally created a 'Home' folder on my desktop. it doesn't appear to be a link and I can't delete it. If I drag it to the wastebasket all my files from my home folder go there! what's going on any idea? [13:05] if I hover over it it's labelled as 'kind: folder' === thermi is now known as Thermi === Pici is now known as Guest95063 === Pici` is now known as Pici [16:18] hi. I have installed ubuntu 10.10 on an acer aspire d255 netbook. as soon as I plug the network cable, the mouse pointer has motion problems ... there's a sort of conflict... what could I do? [16:24] faLUCE, if you think it a conflict change the bios to plug and play OS to NO [16:25] then the bios will assign the IRQ's [16:26] Lord_Rahl: but if I set no plug and play, it won't be the plug and play.... [16:26] I mean: when I connect the cable, I need to restart network communication every time [16:27] if I set NO plug and play [16:27] faLUCe, no that just means if it is set to yes the bios doe not set the irq and let the os do it [16:28] Lord_Rahl: ok, thanks. let's try your tip [16:28] faLUCE, USB and all pnp device will work just fine [16:28] i will be here [16:42] faLUCE, did it work? [16:51] Lord_Rahl: I couldn't find the plug and play option in the bios ... it's a small bios [16:54] faLUCE, is it still doing on reboot [16:57] Lord_Rahl: yes [16:58] faLUCE, if you plug in a usb mouse does it display the same problem? [17:01] Lord_Rahl: no problem with the mouse [17:12] faLUCE, check out this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad [17:13] hi, i was wondering how i could my delete my XP partition and use everything else for Xubuntu? [17:15] it seems i've made my xubuntu partition too small and won't be using XP [17:26] i need to be able to do this without using live cd or usb, don't have any of those with me right now [17:48] First off, hello to everyone! [17:48] hello [17:48] I am pulling my hair out, well rather cussing up a storm [17:49] I had my external usb hard drive with read-write access enabled [17:49] please try to keep the discussion family-friendly though ;) [17:49] some error occurred, and on rebooting I lost write access [17:49] Iĺl keep my self under control :) [17:49] newish user here - I have accidentally created a 'Home' folder on my desktop. it doesn't appear to be a link and I can't delete it. If I drag it to the wastebasket all my files from my home folder go there! what's going on any idea? [17:49] if I hover over it it's labelled as 'kind: folder' [17:50] posted earlier but not resolved any ideas [17:50] paul_: it belongs there [17:50] paul_: have you looked at the folder-properties yet? [17:50] home is the folder where everything *you* save goes [17:51] The partition I am trying to re-enable write access to is an hfsplus partition. [17:51] paul_: i assume you have maybe activated the home folder to be shown on the desktop, go to desktop settings > Icons and untick "Home" [17:52] paul_, (right-click desktop for the desktop settings link) [17:52] I tried to chmod it, but it keeps saying Read-only.... [17:52] keeps giving the drive to root [17:53] I can send my fstab if it helps [17:53] pastebin the fstab file [17:53] !pastebin [17:53] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [17:54] !pastebin /etc/fstab [17:54] ? [17:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com [17:54] do I open it and then copy all text first? [17:55] copy the text to that link, it will give you a URL you need to tell us here [17:56] hello. i'm new to xfce. how do i edit the applications menu? [17:56] thak you that's fixed it...I suspect my daughter was fiddling with things ;) [17:56] is there something similar to gnome's alacarte? [17:57] I asked that question yesterday Rodensky, 1 sec [17:57] Rodensky: until xubuntu 10.10 you have to do it by hand (edit a file), in 11.04 (released later this month) you can use alacarte [17:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/591349/ [17:57] ochosi, how do i edit it? which file? [17:59] @Rodensky It is in /usr/share/applications [17:59] Rodensky: one sec, i have to dig up the file [17:59] paul_: no, those are only the launcher files [17:59] ah, ok sorry [17:59] MikeDD: the way it reads, only the user name "mark" can access those files without being root [18:01] I have another problem - sometimes my wireless connection connects to 'none' rather than the correct connection. There are plenty of other peoples networks visible in the list but 'none' isn't one of them - what's going on there? [18:01] That is the username I am logging in under [18:01] Is that user also in the group "users" ? [18:02] It keeps giving control over to root and I can´t figure out why [18:02] Rodensky: check out the "How to edit the auto generated menu with the menu editor?" section here: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq [18:03] ah right, that's a bit outdated i guess [18:03] mark´s group is mark [18:03] You can't edit the menu with an editor until natty [18:03] Rodensky: maybe complicated but this is how it works: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu [18:03] thank you [18:03] MikeDD: I would try changing users after gid to mark then [18:04] I am going to change it, reboot and come back to the channel. [18:04] Okay [18:06] what should I do if I get a 404 not found error when trying to install via synaptic? I'm trying to get a Gimp plug-in and would prefer to install via official repo [18:08] try reloading with the button on the left, then try again [18:08] tried many times already :( - maybe some sort of maintenance in progress? [18:09] No, I lied... I din't reload first. trying that now.... [18:09] seems to be working :) [18:13] *sigh*.... [18:14] charlie-tca: thanks, sorry for density at this end [18:15] ok.. if I type ¨chmod 777 /media/UNTITLED¨, it seems to accept the command, meaning it doesn´t say Read-only... goes to another line and changed nothing.. [18:15] adding -R changes nothing either [18:16] sudo chmod 777 /media/UNTITLED [18:17] chmod: changing permissions of `/media/UNTITLED_': Read-only file system [18:18] sudo in front gave you that? [18:19] I know it´s me on this one... I had this right yesterday. I wish I could remember what I did that worked in the first place. I thought I wrote down the proper commands.... [18:19] sudo gave me that.. [18:19] the drive´s actual label is UNTITLED [18:19] Wait a minute [18:19] # /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED auto user,uid=mark,gid=users 0 0 [18:19] can not work [18:19] it is commented out [18:20] commented out? [18:20] you should remove the # in front of the line for it to work [18:20] omg [18:20] face palm.. [18:21] then you probably need to make it say "auto,user, etc [18:22] /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED auto,user 0 0 [18:22] like that? does spacing matter? [18:23] no, you want all the options together: auto,user,uid=mark,gid=users [18:23] should I just take the # out? [18:24] or am I confused ? auto is to detect the fs type? [18:24] yes, take the # and space out from the front of the line [18:24] auto to detect the ft, yes [18:24] Try without the # and space. See if that works, first [18:37] MikeDD: Well, did it work? [18:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/591377/ [18:38] nope [18:38] changed it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/591377/ settings [18:38] still mounting for root.. [18:49] Ahh, the daymare continues... [18:51] the following does not work.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/591385/ [18:52] sudo chmod 777 /media/UNTITLED returns a response of Read-only blah blah blah [18:53] try sudo chown mark:mark /media/UNTITLED [18:54] if you do not own the directory, it won't let you mount it as user [18:55] if it's a dir you need to add "-R" > "sudo chown -R mark /media/UNTITLED" [18:55] I didn't want to change all the files, since I don't know who owned them? [18:55] ah [18:56] right [18:56] but a user can not mount rw in a root dir [18:56] sry to interfere then :) [18:56] but if it's about ownership of a dir i think you always need -R, no? [18:56] no, not unless you want to change ownership of every file [18:57] this is a separate drive, I think, and if it is not user owned, I don't to mess it up [19:11] What is +i? [19:12] for IRC it means invite [19:12] oh [19:12] gives an individual voice permissions in a channel that is not open to all [19:12] ok [19:13] The most frustrating part, this was working last night... [19:14] I had full access, write/copy/paste/delete the whole shibang.. [19:14] did you try changing owner of /media/UNTITLED ? [19:14] what changed since last night? [19:15] Something happened, but I didnt think to screencap the message [19:16] I was playing Blender tutorial videos, and it said something about not being able to access.. access violation [19:16] I changed nothing last night though, all changes happened since I woke up and tried to fix it. [19:17] try ls -l and see if root owns every file on the partition [19:17] sudo chown mark /media/UNTITLED returns this chown: changing ownership of `/media/UNTITLED': Read-only file system [19:17] but it let you be owner [19:18] now try umount and mount manually, see if it will let it go to rw [19:18] what is the command to check ownership within the terminal? [19:18] ls -l [19:18] those are L's [19:19] sudo umount? [19:20] sudo umount /media/UNTITLED [19:20] that is an unmount command [19:20] drwxrwxrwx 2 mark root 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED [19:20] now it says I am owner in the terminal [19:20] owned by mark, in group root [19:21] chown it again as mark:mark? [19:21] sudo chown mark:mark /media/UNTITLED [19:21] sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED [19:23] chown: changing ownership of `/media/UNTITLED': Read-only file system [19:23] with the drive unmounted? [19:23] drive is mounted. [19:23] drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2011-04-05 05:22 UNTITLED [19:23] Is this a USB drive? [19:24] yes [19:25] windows files or linux files? [19:25] mac osx formatted, jounaling disabled [19:26] hfsplus partitioned [19:26] at least I think it is hfsplus [19:26] 99.9% sure [19:26] in a terminal, sudo -i [19:26] makes you become root, so be careful [19:27] ok [19:27] done [19:27] in as root [19:27] try now chown mark:mark /media/UNTITLED [19:28] then type exit [19:28] response chown: changing ownership of `/media/UNTITLED': Read-only file system [19:28] drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2011-04-05 05:22 UNTITLED [19:29] Does the fstab come into play at this point? can that conflict with what I am trying? [19:29] It still is not allowing you to become owner [19:29] not if you umounted the drive and then mounted in terminal [19:31] ok, I just did the following... typed: umount /media/UNTITLED [19:31] you have to sudo it [19:31] unless you are still root [19:31] drwxrwxrwx 2 mark mark 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED [19:31] I was still root [19:32] exit [19:32] type exit to get out of root now [19:32] done [19:32] now let's try to manually mount the drive [19:33] ok, I right clicked and did properties and it says mark is in control [19:34] now I need to make the fstab changes right? So when I reboot it mounts it correctly? [19:34] sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED [19:34] try it first manually, if it won't work, fstab will also fail [19:35] If you can not manually mount the drive and access it rw, you won't make fstab do it either [19:35] that mounted it, but gave it back to root being in control [19:36] That means all the files on it are owned by root [19:36] or by an unknown user [19:37] if we make you the owner, I don't know if mac osx will be able to read it [19:37] Can I put this into the pastebin, the terminal info [19:37] sure [19:37] you can hilight with the mouse, use either right-click or Ctrl+c to copy it [19:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/591401/ [19:38] oh, and just so you know, EXTERNAL is irrelevant.. it has nothing to do with the UNTITLED [19:38] there is a disk in the drive? [19:39] it is a hard drive [19:39] UNTITLED is a hard drive, EXTERNAL is a folder I made that has no references to it in any capacity.. [19:39] okay [19:40] I made the folder EXTERNAL earlier in an attempt to make a mount point, but there should be no references to it in the fstab or elsewhere [19:40] are you sure you have right partition? [19:40] sdb3? [19:41] sdb3, pretty sure.. [19:41] how many partitions on that drive? [19:41] unless it has to be sdb1? [19:41] what is the command to list partitions? [19:42] sudo fdisk -l [19:42] Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table [19:42] I would guess you should umount again, then mount as /dev/sdb1 [19:43] Every partition on a drive gets a number, in sequence starting with 1 [19:43] mount: you must specify the filesystem type [19:43] if there is only one partition, then it is sdb1 [19:44] I did that before, I think, as sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED [19:44] try it, but change that sdb3 to sdb1 [19:45] hello. i have a wireless network at home but i can't connect to it from my laptop. the system says "device not ready". xubuntu 10.04 newly installed [19:45] what about the -o rw part? [19:46] just use the sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb1 /media/UNTITLED [19:46] sdb3 is empty or non-existent, which is why it doesn't ask for the file type [19:46] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, [19:47] as sdb3 it just goes to another prompt [19:47] sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED returns mark@Yagee:/media$ [19:48] at the prompt, with sdb3, what does ls -l /media/UNTITLED give you? [19:48] root root [19:48] any files at all? [19:49] umounting it via sudo umount /media/UNTITLED and then ls -l turns it back into mark mark [19:49] but does mounting it as sdb3 show any files? [19:50] even if they are read only, are there any? [19:54] please help :] i googled my problem but i got too many resaults and couldn't find what i needed :] [20:00] Rodensky: You know that wireless card works on your network? [20:01] i had ubuntu 8.04-11.04 and debian installed on this laptop and they all had no problem connecting [20:01] so yeah, i guess it works [20:02] Can you check for drivers at Administration -> Hardware drivers (or something like that) [20:04] i have two broadcom wireless drivers inactivated, one is called B43 and the other is STA. do i need to activate both or only one (and if so- which one)? [20:04] Is the card USB, PCMCIA, or built-in? [20:05] built-in [20:06] I think the command "lspci" will list what it is [20:06] (I don't have a laptop and my Xubuntu desktop had a HDD failure) [20:07] i says BCM4312, so i'll try the B43 first [20:08] Rodensky: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [20:10] Does it have ethernet access to internet? [20:10] yes [20:10] Did you get it installed? [20:11] by that list i need to install STA but i can't, it says "installation of his driver failed" [20:11] three times in a row [20:12] Go for the B43 (the site seems to have both drivers listed for your device) [20:13] right now i'm usind the same laptop with the ethernet cable [20:13] i'm installing the B43 [20:14] yay [20:14] it worked. thanks!! :) [20:14] Sure, anything else? [20:35] You know what is funny.. [20:35] when it is not mounted, it says drwxrwxrwx 2 mark mark 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED [20:36] when I then mount with sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED it says drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2011-04-05 05:22 UNTITLED [20:36] Yes, the directory is permanent, but it takes on whatever the partition is when mounted [20:36] Rodensky: did you get that working? [20:36] is there a way to mount it not as root? [20:36] yes [20:37] Sweet! [20:37] i had to restart after the driver was installed and now it works. thank you :) [20:37] MikeDD: when you do an ls -l /media/UNTITLED , do you see any files listed? [20:37] one more question. how do i make a partition automount when the system starts up? [20:38] Add it to /etc/fstab [20:39] brb, another reboot [20:39] wait [20:40] MikeDD: did you change the auto to hfsplus in fstab yet? [20:40] is there a gui for that? :] [20:40] yes, but I didnt reboot yet [20:40] Rodensky: nope [20:41] MikeDD: you can change owner back to root if it bothers you that it keeps changing like that. Just [20:41] sudo chown root:root /media/UNTITLED [20:41] will fix it [20:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/591428/ [20:42] ok thanks [20:42] MikeDD: gid 0000 ??? [20:42] What group is that? [20:43] uid 1000 will be mark, but what is 0000 ? Is that a typo? [20:43] Rodensky: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab [20:44] probably [20:44] I will use 1000 instead [20:44] Yeah, that should be more right [20:45] do I need commas at uuid=1000 0 0? [20:45] nope [20:45] space tells the system it is a new field [20:46] /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED hfsplus rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,uuid=1000 0 0? [20:46] nope [20:46] take out that uuid=1000 [20:47] uuid is different, that is the great big numbers used on the other lines [20:47] /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED hfsplus rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0? [20:47] yup [20:47] saving that, and should I reboot the whole machine? [20:48] yeah, try it. You can use mount -a in a terminal instead of rebooting, if you umount the drive first [20:50] it is doing the same thing. [20:51] when it isnt mounted it says mark mark, when I mount it - it goes to root root [20:51] Because the files are owned by root [20:52] did you find any files on the drive? [20:52] when it is mounted [20:53] okay, If we make them read write, I don't know if osx will be able to read them anymore. [20:53] We can try it, if you want to. [20:53] I dont care if the mac sees it [20:53] in a terminal sudo -i [20:54] in a terminal cd /media [20:54] ok [20:54] in a terminal cd UNTITLED [20:54] done and done [20:54] done [20:54] now, ls -l [20:54] ok [20:54] any file, who owns it? root root ? [20:55] most are root root, some are 99 99 a couple are mark mark [20:55] I want them all mark mark [20:55] okay [20:56] chown -R mark:mark /media/UNTITLED [20:58] processing them, at the end of each line it says Read-only something.. [20:58] Maybe it will work..? [20:58] If it changes owner, we don't care what it says [20:59] now again, ls -l [20:59] did it change them all? [20:59] no [20:59] drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56 2011-04-07 09:47 SHARED VIDEO [20:59] they all stayed the same [20:59] I am out of ideas now [20:59] exit [20:59] get out of root [21:00] exited [21:00] Maybe someone else knows what to try next. [21:01] trying the original command, that worked previously.. again.. [21:01] rebooting [21:15] Apparently my computer thinks that I am not cool enough [21:18] MikeDD: (I don't know what all you have done) If you boot off a LiveCD can you write to the drive? [21:37] I dont know if I can [21:37] havent tried that [21:38] I imagine that it would be the same, reads it but doesnt write/delete.. [21:38] havent tried that though [21:40] It's a long shot at best.... charlie is much smarter about this then I am... [21:40] ok, here is whats odd.. [21:41] when not mounted: drwxrwxrwx 2 mark mark 4096 2011-04-08 12:22 UNTITLED [21:41] when I mount it with, sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /media/UNTITLED , it says nothing and goes to the prompt [21:42] then I type ls -l and get: total 0 [21:45] Again, I have never needed to use a mac HD/USB in linux, all I can do is point to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus [21:55] MikeDD: http://www.derekdahmer.com/2009/11/mount-hfs-in-ubuntu-live-cd-with-write-access/ [22:03] trying that route right now [22:12] I followed their instructions, and root root is still the owner [22:13] chown doesnt change anything when: sudo chown -R mark /media/UNTITLED is typed [22:13] it all keeps ending with Read-only... [22:13] This was working before.. [22:14] 'sudo chown -R mark:mark /media/UNTITLED' ? [22:14] i will try that [22:15] wait a sec, the -o sets owner is in control right? [22:15] but -u doesnt work, can I set it for user or something? [22:16] or does -o remove something? [22:17] no, -o is options [22:17] also, under user control settings window within xfce, it had the check mark in group names for me unchecked (so I checked it on) [22:17] when manually mounting, it tells mount that everything after the -o to the next space is an option you want used [22:17] I havent rebooted since checking in that box though [22:18] It won't activate until reboot or log out/ login [22:18] Could #ubuntu help? [22:18] possible, or even #ubuntu-beginners [22:19] either one can give more help, when we run out of knowledge [22:19] let me do that as soon as this thing finishes attempting to chown, which I know will fail... :) [22:19] yeah, I am going to reboot this in a sec and see what is up [22:34] As soon as I mount it, it switches to root being the owner [22:35] also, fdisk -l returns nothing [22:37] sudo fdisk -l results in it saying that /dev/sdb doesn´t contain a valid partition table [22:37] which I dont see how that can be right... [22:37] have you tried fsck? :P [22:37] no not yet [22:37] probably you should [22:38] just to be sure that's not it [22:38] fsck.ext2: Permission denied while trying to open /dev/sdb3 [22:38] You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root [22:38]