[00:02] <Riddell> rbelem: plasmacomponents-0.1_20110305.tar.bz2 isn't a link
[00:02] <Riddell> mek would be the other guy to ping, he committed it
[00:02]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:05] <rbelem> Riddell, i just downloaded it
[00:05] <rbelem> Riddell, https://api.pub.meego.com/public/source/home:mkruisselbrink:kde/plasma-components/plasmacomponents-0.1_20110305.tar.bz2?rev=979e66723ce20d9ac020c95b12b0f767&
[00:09] <rbelem> Riddell, it is part of kde-runtime
[00:09] <rbelem> Riddell, it is in the branch origin/plasma/declarative
[00:13] <rbelem> Riddell, this is the commit that added the code cc1976641ab01b979fee4ee497e01369152ac7c2
[01:36] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[02:29] <rbelem> Riddell, i backported the patches and requested for merge
[02:30] <rbelem> Riddell, but it is not installing into the packages yet
[02:53] <c2tarun> anyone here who is familiar with android?
[06:26] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[09:31] <bambee> morning
[09:31]  * bambee is testing plasma-active live image
[09:33] <Riddell> ARM compiles are going well :)
[09:33] <Riddell> what is plasma-active?
[09:44] <debfx> has anyone else noticed that the message indicator sometimes becomes green even though there are no new messages?
[09:45] <bambee> Riddell: see planet-ubuntu, apparently it's a mid-plasma-netbook/plasma-mobile designed for tablets... 
[09:46] <yofel> me just now when I wanted to check it, I only use it for u-one, but it got green as soon as I opened the menu and now it stays green...
[09:47] <bambee> really well designed , easy to use and it does not consume too much memory (compared to plasma-netbook)
[10:16] <bambee> Riddell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GAFfjscVyg
[10:17] <bambee> sounds interesting :)
[10:17] <bambee> imo
[10:23] <debfx> yofel: weird, after pressing "unlock widgets" it went back to transparent
[10:28] <debfx> maybe it's a problem with plasma not repainting the widget
[10:57] <c2tarun> if the latest version of any application is in beta stage but it has some pretty good features, is there any way we can add it into our repository?
[11:58] <c2tarun> if the latest version of any application is in beta stage but it has some pretty good features, is there any way we can add it into our repository?
[13:10] <rbelem> Riddell, we will get plasma-active with the new plasma-mobile packages :-)
[13:12] <bambee> nice :D
[13:13] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ping
[13:16] <bambee> rbelem: even if it's still in development ?
[13:17] <rbelem> bambee, yup. kubuntu-mobile is technology preview
[13:18] <bambee> ok
[13:19] <c2tarun> bambee: hi 
[13:19] <bambee> plasma-active sounds really interesting and it rocks your socks ! :D
[13:20] <bambee> s/really/very/
[13:20] <kubotu> bambee meant: "plasma-active sounds very interesting and it rocks your socks ! :D"
[13:20] <bambee> c2tarun: hi :)
[13:21] <c2tarun> bambee: nothing to do today? isn't it?
[13:21] <rbelem> i think kubuntu-mobile next release will not be technology preview next release
[13:21] <rbelem> :-)
[13:21] <bambee> c2tarun: I do not know yet.. apparently not
[13:22] <c2tarun> bambee: can you tell how can I update my kde to kde 4.6.2? OR If possible a separate new installation.
[13:23] <bambee> c2tarun: from maverick ?
[13:23] <c2tarun> bambee: yup.
[13:27] <bambee> c2tarun: add kubuntu-ppa/backport to your mirrors using "add-apt-repository", you can also add kubuntu-ninjas/ppa since some packages need testing
[13:28] <bambee> c2tarun: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:28] <c2tarun> bambee: well I can't test :( I have very slow internet connection and if anything goes wrong, reinstallation and then update takes whole night :(
[13:28] <bambee> ohh
[13:28] <bambee> I totally forgot that sorry
[13:28] <c2tarun> I'll add backport and then?
[13:29] <bambee> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade (like a normal upgrade)
[13:29] <bambee> :)
[13:30] <c2tarun> oh.. :)
[13:30]  * bambee also recommends muon :)
[13:30] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[13:31] <c2tarun> bambee: this will upgrade my kde to 4.6.2, is there anyway I can do a fresh installation? like sudo apt-get install kde-full or something like that?
[13:33] <c2tarun> bambee: ping
[13:35] <bambee> c2tarun: a fresh installation is not longer than a upgrade ?
[13:37] <bambee> c2tarun: you can also backup your actual system, upgrade it and in case of problems you can revert back your system ;)
[13:37] <c2tarun> bambee: well I started upgrade.
[13:37] <c2tarun> bambee: hey but its only downloading packages right now. how can I backup my system?
[13:39] <c2tarun> bambee: ping
[13:39] <bambee> I am not the best one to ask for that, there are great backup tools on ubuntu
[14:24] <bambee> c2tarun: what about your upgrade ?
[14:24] <c2tarun> bambee: still going on :/
[14:24] <c2tarun> 72%  completed
[14:52] <c2tarun> what version of kde is in kubuntu natty?
[15:03] <tsimpson> !info kdelibs5 natty
[15:03] <tsimpson> c2tarun: ^
[15:04] <rbelem> Riddell, i just updated the patch
[15:04] <rbelem> Riddell, i think it is ok now
[15:18] <c2tarun_> is it just me or new kde is little bit slow in starting?
[15:44] <rbelem> Riddell, it is still missing libkdeclarative...
[15:45]  * rbelem starts backporting it
[16:39] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ping
[16:39] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: pong
[16:39] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: you installed this firefox theme http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=117962&file1=117962-1.png&file2=117962-2.png&file3=117962-3.jpg&name=Oxygen+KDE+%28Firefox+Theme%29 right?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:41] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: how? I clicked on the download link of kde apps.org, it installed an addon but its not applied.
[16:41] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: afaik you have to restart FF
[16:42] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I tried everything, even restart
[16:42] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: whats the problem>
[16:43] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: your telling me that it doesn't apply.. does FF look the same as it was before applying the theme?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: and go to about:addons and go to Appearance
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Check if the theme is activated there
[16:44] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: nope I can say the theme is partially applied, check this
[16:44] <c2tarun> http://imagebin.org/147353
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:44] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: you want the orange ff button?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: click on View -> Uncheck Menu Bar
[16:45] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I wanted exactly as in the sample screenshot
[16:45] <c2tarun> on kdeapps page
[16:45] <shadeslayer> yep .. do what i just said
[16:46] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: you mean status bar?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> no ... click on View -> Toolbars -> Uncheck Menu bar
[16:50] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I dont have menu bar option http://imagebin.org/147354
[16:50] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: what FF version?
[16:51] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: the one in 3.6.16
[16:51] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:51] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: the one in the screenshot is 4
[16:51] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: this version in repo, how can I update?
[16:52] <bambee> c2tarun: Can I add you as friend on facebook ? :)
[16:52] <c2tarun> bambee: sure :)
[16:52] <bambee> (you can say "no", don't worry ;) )
[16:52] <bambee> ok
[16:52] <bambee> :)
[16:52] <c2tarun> bambee: why would I say no :/
[16:53] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I mean version 4 is not in repo, how can I update?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> yeah one sec
[16:53] <bambee> c2tarun: well... I do not know :/
[16:54] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[16:54] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable to be precise
[16:55] <shadeslayer> well ... depends on what he wants :P
[16:55] <c2tarun> bambee: did you find me? because I did not find you :(
[16:57] <bambee> c2tarun: there are too many "Tarun Kumar" on facebook 
[16:57] <bambee> see pv
[16:59] <bambee> c2tarun: now I will post in french and english on facebook :)
[17:00] <c2tarun> bambee: cool :)
[17:40] <ScottK> Riddell: New is cleared of Kubuntu related stuff.
[18:06] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[18:25] <c2tarun> shadeslayer, bambee: you guys ever developed any application for android?
[18:35] <c2tarun> I upgraded to kde 4.6.2. its working fine but when I am shutting down, its transferring me to terminal, the same terminal which we get on pressing ctrl + alt +F2. why so?
[19:13] <bambee> c2tarun's problem looks very similar to bug 755570
[19:13] <bambee> in this case it's reproducible on natty (for me) and maverick
[19:13] <ScottK> Any ideas why clementine is suddenly making empty .po files that the pkgbinarymangler chokes on?
[19:14] <ScottK> (now that Artur is gone, I fear no one will look after it)
[19:27] <debfx> ScottK: it seems to generate these files just as a dependency target
[19:27] <ScottK> debfx: Would you please fix it.  It's FTBFS on all archs at the moment.
[19:28] <debfx> can do, but I won't maintain the package
[19:29] <ScottK> Fair enough.
[19:30] <ScottK> I don't care to maintain it either, but I'd at least to see it buildable for release.
[19:30] <ScottK> ...at least like to see ...
[19:32] <debfx> is comparing the translation lookup result with the original string a very bad way to check if the lookup failed?
[19:35] <debfx> hm it should be safe as it will fall back to the original string eventually
[19:37] <debfx> ScottK: yeah, looking at the archive rebuild result is bit depressing
[19:38] <debfx> oh, "For the natty release, do not pass --no-add-needed by default to the linker"
[19:38] <debfx> that's good :)
[20:08] <ScottK> For oneiric a lot of those ought to be fixed in Debian, so it should go a lot better.
[21:16] <ScottK> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-April/001583.html
[21:16] <ScottK> Apparently shirish has moved on to Debian.
[21:16] <ScottK> \o/
[21:16] <ScottK> He was the straw that broke the camel's back with me and the Kubuntu users ML a few years ago.
[21:18] <apachelogger> must you be talking about cigarettes :S
[21:19] <apachelogger> would you look at that spider: http://www.neatorama.com/images/2006-12/camel-spider-fly-tying.jpg
[21:19] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:24] <bambee> bug 755570 => http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270228  => a fix has been pushed, so I propose to import the patch for kde-workspace
[21:25] <bambee> (if it's not already done)
[21:28] <ScottK> bambee: Sounds like a good idea.
[21:28] <bambee> :)
[21:30] <bambee> Okay so I import this patch, bump kdebase-workspace, then I paste the debdiff
[21:30] <ScottK> Better attach it to the Ubuntu bug.
[21:31] <ScottK> It would be good if someone could confirm it affect Natty and not just PPAs.
[21:32] <bambee> ok
[21:32] <bambee> ScottK: I can confirm , I use natty :)
[21:33] <ScottK> OK
[21:33] <ScottK> Please update the bug then.
[21:33] <bambee> ok
[21:39] <bambee> ScottK: for the patch, do I use the "kubuntu" prefix or not ?
[21:40] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:40] <bambee> ok
[21:53] <bambee> ScottK: done
[21:55] <ScottK> Looking
[22:01] <ScottK> Managed to own this laptop for almost an entire week without installing cdbs on it.
[22:03] <ScottK> bambee: What version of KDE did you use to make this patch?
[22:03] <ScottK> It doesn't apply against what's current in Natty.
[22:06] <bambee> ScottK: I just used commits found in the kde bug
[22:06] <ScottK> OK.
[22:07] <bambee> I also refreshed it with quilt
[22:08] <ScottK> It looks a little different with our current package.
[22:08] <ScottK> Please apt-get source kdebase-workspace and then apply your patch.
[22:09] <ScottK> (from Natty)
[22:12] <bambee> ScottK: "patching file kdm/config.def"
[22:12] <bambee> it's applied
[22:13] <bambee> (no conflicts)
[22:14] <bambee> I do not understand... it does not apply for you ?
[22:16] <Mamarok> am I the only one having difficulties with CPU load on Natty?
[22:18] <Mamarok> and apparently something is blocking the update of grub-pc: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[22:18] <Mamarok> that's all I get in the error line
[22:18] <Mamarok> how can I unlock that?
[22:24] <ScottK> bambee: It doesn't.
[22:24] <ScottK> bambee: I'll try again
[22:25] <bambee> with kdebase-workspace-4.6.2a-0ubuntu3 it works fine here
[22:25] <ScottK> OK.
[22:25] <ScottK> Mamarok: Is there another process that has a debconf window open somewhere?
[22:27] <Mamarok> no, I already checked that
[22:27] <Mamarok> and lsof | grep config.dat is running and doesn't give me an output yet, is it normal that takes so long?
[22:27] <ScottK> Not sure.
[22:28] <Mamarok> shouldn't on a SSD I would presume
[22:28] <ScottK> bambee: I do the following:
[22:28] <ScottK> I'd guess not
[22:28] <ScottK> $ dpkg-source -x kdebase-workspace_4.6.2a-0ubuntu3.dsc
[22:28] <ScottK> $ cd kdebase-workspace-4.6.2a/
[22:28] <ScottK> $ patch -p1 <../kdebase-workspace-kdm-halt-cmd.diff
[22:28] <ScottK> $ quilt push
[22:29] <ScottK> Applying patch kubuntu_121_kdm_halt_cmd.diff
[22:29] <ScottK> patching file kdm/config.def
[22:29] <ScottK> Hunk #1 FAILED at 37.
[22:29] <bambee> wtf ? o_O
[22:31] <Mamarok> ScottK: I removed /var/cache/debconf/config.dat, now it hangs on upgrading grub-pc
[22:31] <Mamarok> I already had hangs with grub PC before on Natty
[22:31] <Mamarok> grub-pc*
[22:32] <ScottK> Removing the debconf database is not generallyl recommended.
[22:32] <Mamarok> I know, but there was no process locking it
[22:32] <bambee> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/591887/   o_O
[22:33] <ScottK> Weird.
[22:33] <bambee> wait I forgot quilt push
[22:33] <ScottK> Mamarok: I'm not sure what else doing that will affect.
[22:34] <ScottK> bambee: Looks like I got it beaten into submission.
[22:34] <Mamarok> ScottK: I can still reinstall debconf
[22:35] <ScottK> Mamarok: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf will do it, I think.
[22:35] <bambee> ScottK: now quilt push fails
[22:35] <Mamarok> well, currently I can't do anything it hangs on setting up grub-pc as before, interrupting that will bring me back to case a
[22:35] <ScottK> bambee: This is the problem I had.
[22:36] <valorie> maybe upgrading to natty on my netbook would be premature, LOL
[22:38] <ScottK> valorie: It's been fine for me, but I'd suggest waiting until Tuesday or Wednesday.  Beta2 freeze is Monday, so if history is any guide some crap is getting uploaded this wekeend.
[22:38] <ScottK> Mamarok: New kcm-grub (or something very close to that in the archive) maybe it could wrangle it.
[22:40] <Mamarok> ScottK: well, I reconfigured it and now at the third attempt it doesn't hang at the upgrade
[22:40] <ScottK> OK.
[22:42] <Mamarok> brilliant, now it hangs at "Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version"
[22:42] <ScottK> bambee: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu
[22:43] <ScottK> Someone ought to fix the PPA version too.
[22:43] <bambee> ScottK: it conflicts with another patch nop ?
[22:43] <bambee> ScottK: yw :)
[22:43] <ScottK> bambee: No.  I tried applying it first and it still failed.
[22:43] <ScottK> Looking at the diff between what applied and what didn't, I don't see the difference.
[22:50] <debfx> bambee: if you feel like doing some more cherry-picking, these patches have been recommended on kde-packagers:
[22:50] <debfx> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdeplasma-addons.git&a=commit&h=4ab9e40e1e3484a4adf059164c91e06d1f5b6b76
[22:50] <debfx> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1227471
[22:52] <bambee> debfx: sure :)
[22:54] <bambee> debfx: I added them to my todolist, it can wait until tomorrow ? (I am very tired v_v)
[22:55] <bambee> I import them tomorrow morning :)
[22:55] <bambee> (+ backport the kdm patch to maverick )
[22:57] <debfx> bambee: sure, no need to rush
[22:57] <bambee> :)
[23:22] <bambee> 'night
[23:48] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for fixing clementine.
[23:49] <Daskreech> valorie: upgrade to Ocelot where we switch out plasma for unity-qt
[23:54] <valorie> haha
[23:54] <valorie> Daskreech: it isn't april fools day!
[23:55] <valorie> it's my son's birthday, and the anniversary of the day I became a mum!
[23:55] <valorie> happy day!
[23:55] <valorie> off to celebrate it
[23:55] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[23:57] <Daskreech> valorie: on the same day! That's so nice! :)
[23:58] <valorie> well, they were sort of inextricably connected
[23:58] <valorie> rofl