[00:26] <ubuntu> hola
[00:27] <ubuntu> hello
[00:28] <genii-around> ubuntu: Hello. If you have some question concerning your Kubuntu, just to ask the channel generally, and someone may be able to assist.
[00:31] <ubuntu> ok thanks. i just want to anybody refere me a chanel to ask something about iphone
[00:33] <genii-around> ubuntu: There is a channel called ##iphone but how helpful it may be, i do not know
[00:33] <joscar> ok thank you ganuu-around
[00:34] <genii-around> You're welcome.
[00:37] <modo> bonsoir tous
[01:34] <Alonea> real quick, how do I get the grub menu to show up on bootup instad of the kubuntu logo?
[01:35] <Alonea> like, is there a key combo I can press on boot?
[01:41] <Axlin> it should appear if you press shift before the logo
[01:42] <Alonea> Axlin: shift or esc? bah. will try both and hope menu comes up. I just need to do something real quick with it is all
[01:42] <Axlin> i always thought it was shift, but it may be escape
[01:43] <genii-around> grub1-esc grub2-shift
[01:45] <Axlin> ah, good to know
[01:45] <Alonea> Axlin: bah..neither worked.
[01:46] <genii-around> Try left-shift only
[01:46] <Alonea> genii-around: it was left shift
[01:46] <Walzmyn> Alonea: there's a gizmo in system settings to edit the menu after your logged in
[01:48] <Alonea> Walzmyn: I just wanted to boot a certain way just this once without having to change grub file, reboot, remember to change it back..etc. I have accidenta;;y brought up the grub menu before...bah
[01:48]  * Walzmyn nods
[01:49] <Alonea> I will try shift again. should I hold it down or just tap it over and over?
[01:50] <genii-around> just hold down
[01:50] <Alonea> ok, here we go again
[01:55] <Alonea> there we go. holding down worked
[01:57] <Alonea> checking out E4rat
[02:07] <Alonea> wow....e4rat is awesome!
[02:07] <Alonea> such a difference
[03:45] <kannan_> anyone has any idea on this bug - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244645
[03:47] <kannan_> it happens in my system well..what could be going wrong ?
[04:37] <polllundra> list
[04:51] <Daskreech> !list
[04:51] <Daskreech> :)
[08:30] <naftilos76> hi everyone, has anybody noticed a bug in kontact side bar? it is bug 250138 and is supposed to be fixed. i still have it when i try to change the settings of kontact's sidebar
[08:31] <Daskreech> Sure about that number?
[08:32] <naftilos76> http://bugs.kde.org/250138
[08:32] <naftilos76> correct
[09:14] <kenneth__> hii?
[09:14] <kenneth__> hola?
[09:15] <matti__> ole ;P
[09:15] <kenneth__> alguien habla español?
[09:15] <kenneth__> skeak spanish?
[09:15] <kenneth__> speak spanish?
[09:15] <moetunes> !es
[10:51]  * nxfifteen is away: Gone away for now
[11:02] <mudassar> Hello, can somebody help me to compile my code ...... here is the make file and at the end question is given please help me  (see here http://paste.ubuntu.com/591664/)
[11:27] <markolomeho> bfsgfxy
[11:27] <manitu> hi there.. a friend of mine updated his system and now he can't choose 1280x1024 on one of two screens
[11:27] <manitu> he has 10.04.2 LTS
[11:43] <moetunes> check the X log to find out why
[11:43] <moetunes> manitu:  ^
[11:45] <markolomeho> hi all
[11:46] <BlaXpirit> hello
[11:50] <manitu> moetunes, "Falling back to old probe method for vesa", ".. for fbdev" and "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exists
[11:50] <manitu> that are all WW, rest is II, -- and **
[11:52] <moetunes> manitu:  check the part where it tells about the monitors
[11:53] <manitu> oh "No monitor specified for screen "Configured Screen Device". Using a default monitor configuration" .. how to change it? :o
[11:53] <manitu> and the outputs have no monitor section
[11:54] <manitu> its really strange because it was running on 1280x1024 all the time before updating
[11:54] <manitu> for months
[11:55] <manitu> (is it normal that it uses the radeon driver?)
[12:01] <moetunes> around the middle of the X log it will tell of the resolutions it can use for the monitors - if he was using the proprietry driver he might need to reinstall it
[12:01] <moetunes> bbiab
[12:16] <kleopatra> Can anyone tell me where i should put an .vimrc file? I dont know what path it should have
[12:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[12:49] <peacelive> BluesKaj: hey
[12:49] <peacelive> BluesKaj: back from skydive
[12:50] <BluesKaj> hi peacelive . back from dreamland :)
[12:50] <peacelive> BluesKaj: :P
[12:50] <BluesKaj> skydiver eh ... cazy :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> crazy
[12:51] <peacelive> yep :D
[13:08] <javier_> Hi, I have an acer aspire 5742 and i have problems with powersafe. I think it always works at performance state and I can make it go to powersafing mode
[13:21] <javier_> Hi, I have an acer aspire 5742 and i have problems with powersafe. I think it always works at performance state and I can make it go to powersafing mode
[13:22] <javier_> it's i5 processor
[15:03] <chris__> hello
[15:03] <chris__> I have a problem houston
[15:04] <chris__> ok so, yesterday everything is wonderful.  I do some auto updates in ubuntu 10.04. I turn off the computer and later when I turn it back on... GNOME no longer works correctly! KDE is good.. How do I repair gnome?
[15:45] <Pante59> день добрый
[16:20] <Pante59> есть кто живой?
[16:25] <Walzmyn> !ru | Pante59
[16:37] <chris__> hello
[16:37] <chris__> any expert ubuntu users around?
[16:38] <e_t_> !ask
[16:38] <Walzmyn> depends on defination :)
[16:38] <chris__> alrighty
[16:38] <chris__> here goes...
[16:38] <chris__> i have ubuntu 10.04
[16:38] <chris__> I ran some auto updates
[16:39] <chris__> now when I log into GNOME everything hangs.  KDE works fine.  I tried logging in as another user, gnome hangs for that user too.  Gnome apps work in kde... I want to fix gnome but I have no idea where to start.
[16:41] <Walzmyn> chris__: have you tried #ubnutu - most here don't use gnome
[16:42] <chris__> walz Ah, sorry about that. I tried them, they had no idea.
[16:42] <chris__> well where would the logs be found on ubuntu that I can start looking through for desktops?
[16:46] <e_t_> almost all logs are in /var/log
[16:47] <chris__> is there a command that I can use to search for and fix broken packages?
[16:49] <e_t_> sudo apt-get -f install
[16:50] <chris__> what is weird is that im looking at synaptic now... and gnome is unchecked....
[16:50] <chris__> although the libraries are all there'
[16:57] <e_t_> check to see the ubuntu-desktop package is installed.
[17:29] <Pante59> chris stypid
[17:47] <cole_> I just installed a different windowing manager, and when I attempt to login my machine freezes at the login splash screen (which reads "kubuntu"). Is there some way to preempt the loading of the window manager at startup so that I access my machine via a command line?
[17:49] <James147> cole_: if you want command line why do you need a window manager? use the vertual terminals (alt+crtl+F1...6 at kdm)
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Cole. KDM is the display manager, which provides the graphical login.  If you disable it, you will boot to a command line session and can start X from there.
[17:50] <James147> ^^ or you can force a commandline boot by appending 3 to the end of the boot line (such as with: http://www.brunolinux.com/05-Configuring_Your_System/Grub_boot_runlevel-3.html)
[18:04] <Daskreech> cole_: Don't login ?
[18:05] <DarthFrog> Right. Instead of logging in, press CTL-ALT-F1  to go to a virtual terminal.  Any F key, from 1 to 6, will do.
[18:07] <cole_> I pressed Ctrl-Alt-F1 and I'm now working in a terminal. Where would I edit the settings which tells Kubuntu which window manager to load by default?
[18:09] <DarthFrog> You could just delete the foreign wm you installed.  From the command line, "sudo apt-get remove <package>"
[18:10] <cole_> What command would you issue to restart a kde session
[18:11] <DarthFrog> If the display manager is still running, press ALT-F7 to go back.
[18:13] <cole_> I want to restart it
[18:14] <DarthFrog> Go back to the DM session and press ALT-E .  Or choose "Restart X server" from one of the pick list options there.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> cole_, sudo service kdm (re)start
[18:17] <peacelive> BluesKaj: natty kernel 2.6.38 swap 700mb :S
[18:17] <BluesKaj> 700 only peacelive ?
[18:17] <peacelive> well , on maverick i get 0
[18:18] <BluesKaj> I have only 3G Ram on this pc ...never seen the swap used even during heavy loads like movies and DLs at once
[18:19] <peacelive> BluesKaj: i have 1 gig
[18:19] <peacelive> xD
[18:19] <peacelive>  i will upgrade soon
[18:19] <peacelive> anyway i think  it's a bug
[18:19] <peacelive> never seen 250 of ram and 700 of swap
[18:19] <peacelive> bah
[18:20] <peacelive> BluesKaj: bye ==> i'll eat something it's 7.20 pm
[18:21] <BluesKaj> yeah, time to get going here too ..see you guys tomorrow
[18:30] <cole_> Every time I start my kubuntu machine, I have to reconfigure it to use both of my monitors. Is there somewhere where I can edit these settings once without having to reset them on startup?
[18:32] <marxjohnson> cole_: the 2 ways I've solved that are through the ATI catalyst control center (if you're using ATI) or my manually creating an xorg.conf
[18:33] <marxjohnson> not nice I know, but it's the only way I've done it
[18:34] <cole_> marxjohnson:  where do you put the xorg.conf? Where did you find the specs/template for writing this file?
[18:36] <DarthFrog> Cole: what video card do you have?
[18:37] <DarthFrog> !xinerama
[18:37] <DarthFrog> !dualhead
[18:37] <marxjohnson> cole_: it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:37] <marxjohnson> man xorg.conf will give you the docs, but you'll probably want to google for an example of a set up with similar hardware to yours
[18:38] <DarthFrog> Screwing around with xorg.conf is not for the faint of heart!
[19:28] <Daskreech> cole_: you can go to default applications and choose another wm
[19:35] <cole_> I don't have a 'xorg.conf' file at all. Is there some way to auto generate it>
[19:35] <cole_> It should be located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but there's nothing there/
[19:36] <Daskreech> cole_: There is no file. X auto assumes what's in there. If you make one the it will obey it
[19:37] <cole_> Daskreech: Do you know where there's a template for creating xorg.conf?
[19:37] <Daskreech> cole_: What Video card do you have?
[19:38] <cole_> nvidia
[19:38] <cole_> 8800GT
[19:39] <draik> Can somone confirm that I can run my PCI Express 2.0 video card alongside a PCI video card, simultaneously?
[19:39] <draik> I want to have VGA and HDMI from PCI-E 2.0 and DVI from PCI
[19:44] <Daskreech> cole_: nvidia has  tool to autogenerate one
[19:44] <Daskreech> I don't remember what it's called now though :(
[19:44] <Daskreech> draik: I'd say yes you can I can'ttell you that it will be trivial
[19:45] <pedro674> Hola.........
[19:45] <Walzmyn> there's an nvidia-xconfig in my path
[19:45] <cole_> Walzmyn: in your path?
[19:45] <pedro674> Aolguien que tenga una idea del UAE
[19:46] <pedro674> en linux
[19:46] <Walzmyn> cole_: just means that application exists on my computer, I didn't run it to see what it'd do
[19:46] <Walzmyn> !sp | pedro674
[19:46] <pedro674> Alguien en castellano
[19:46] <Walzmyn> bah
[19:46] <Walzmyn> !es | pedro674
[19:47] <pedro674> Gracias.....
[19:52] <draik> Thanks, Daskreech
[19:58] <cole_> In what configuration file is the default window manager to be run at startup installed?
[19:58] <cole_> In what configuration file is the default window manager to be run at startup *specified*?
[20:03] <Walzmyn> cole_: you talking about which manager is running when you login or is run after you log in?
[20:04] <cole_> Walzmyn: I don't understand the distinction.
[20:04] <Daskreech> cole_: I think its controlled by ksmserver but you can change it in system setting
[20:04] <Walzmyn> cole_: one is managing all the gui stuff when your typing in your password. then you can log into kde or gnome or what have you
[20:04] <cole_> Daskreech: system settings?
[20:05] <cole_> there must be a simple text file somewhere which says "Use this window manager at startup" I want to edit this file.
[20:05] <cole_> Walzmyn: The latter.
[20:06] <cole_> I want to edit the configuration file which selects between kde or gnome.
[20:06] <Walzmyn> cole_: when you're logging in, there's a menu there to select what your logging into. It's usually goingt o the last one you used
[20:06] <Daskreech> cole_: check the config file for ksmserver
[20:07] <cole_> Daskreech: How could I discover where this file is?
[20:07] <Daskreech> cole_: ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserver,rc
[20:08] <Daskreech> pretty much all KDE programs keep the config in ~/.kde/share/config
[20:08] <cole_> Okay, looking at the file . . .
[20:09] <cole_> I don't see where the file indicates the window manager in use
[20:11] <Daskreech> cole_: does it run kwin?
[20:13] <cole_> yes
[20:13] <Daskreech> that's your window manager then
[20:14] <cole_> Do you know what xmonad is?
[20:14] <Daskreech> Walzmyn: That's a display manager not a window managet
[20:14] <Daskreech> manager
[20:14] <Daskreech> man xmonad
[20:14] <Daskreech> it will tell you what that is about
[20:15] <Daskreech> man is the manual command
[20:15] <cole_> I don't see how it's possilbe that I'm running kwin the wm I'm using is xmonad.
[20:15] <cole_> I'm using xmonad right now.
[20:15] <cole_> why would it say kwin? Aren't they mutually exclusive?
[20:15] <Daskreech> you can switch them out at will
[20:15] <Daskreech> if you type kwin --replace you will start using kwin
[20:16] <Daskreech> type xmonad --replace and you will switch back
[20:16] <Daskreech> which ever one is run last wins
[20:16] <cole_> kwin --replace yields: "It looks like there's already a window manager running. kwin not started.
[20:17] <cole_> Well, I'd like to make certain that on startup I'm not running xmonad but am instead running kwin. What do I need to do to ensure this?
[20:17] <Daskreech> srs?
[20:18] <Daskreech> the replace option is supposed to do exactly that. Replce what ever is there
[20:18] <cole_> ?srs?
[20:18] <Daskreech> Serious?
[20:19] <cole_> I typed kwin --replace and it gave me that message.
[20:20] <Daskreech> cole_: press alt+f2 and type default then press ente
[20:20] <Daskreech> enter
[20:20] <Daskreech>  the rest should be pretty obvious
[20:24] <cole_> Alt-F2 doesn't do anything.
[20:26] <Daskreech> cole_: course it doesn't :)
[20:26] <Daskreech> cole_: type krunner in the konsle to get the drop down cli
[20:31] <Daskreech> hi shadeslayer
[20:31] <Daskreech> bleah
[20:31] <Daskreech> hi sheytan
[20:31] <Daskreech> Though I'm happy to see you too shadeslayer :)
[20:31] <Raven> So, I have the problem where turning on compositing will, over time, cause the xorg process to use 100% of the cpu it's on.  Googling has returned a plethora of different answers.  I'm wondering if there is an actual answer or if it's just something I have to deal with?
[20:32] <cole_> What is the difference between kdm and kwin?
[20:33] <Daskreech> cole_: one is your display manager it is controlled by X and allows you to login. It's the process that lets X know when it should stop running
[20:33] <cole_> which one?
[20:34] <Daskreech> cole_: the other is your window manager and allows you to move windows around as a very basic requirement it will also allow you other things if it has the capabilities. It is controlled by you and can be switched out to something else that fits your needs
[20:34] <Daskreech> KDE = KDE Display Manager
[20:34] <cole_> display manager refers to the physical monitor and window to the logical screen?
[20:34] <Daskreech> kwin = KDE Window (manager)
[20:35] <Daskreech> cole_: No Display manager is logical screen it has almost no input on what happens once you login.
[20:35] <cole_> KDE is based on Qt. How does Kde represent a window, as a QWidget?
[20:36] <Daskreech> A window is the same as any other windowed GUI it's what most people refer to as a "program" It's the box that you see on the screen
[20:36] <Daskreech>  it also includes pop up dialog boxes, save as file pickers and any other item on the screen that "floats" and can be moved
[20:37] <Daskreech> Raven: you probably have a Driver bug. Check in #kwin if they haev more info. You may be able to help them track down a solution
[20:43] <Raven> Daskreech, think I'll just get laughed at if I'm running an nvidia gpu?
[20:43] <Daskreech> Raven: Kwin guys don't laugh
[20:44] <Daskreech> I think most of them are runing on Nvidia in any case
[20:45] <Raven> How's the ATI/AMD support these days?
[20:45] <Daskreech> Raven: you might have to be a bit more specific
[20:46] <Daskreech> Support for what and at what class card
[20:47] <Raven> Let me ask a different question:  what card would you recommend for kde compositing to work flawlessly?
[20:51] <Daskreech> I have a 45xx class ATI that works fine except for Blur on opensource drivers
[20:52] <Daskreech> I would probably say long term right ATI would be a good bet they seem pretty serious about having the Open source drivers being a very good experience to Linux users
[20:52] <Daskreech> Just taking a while to get there
[20:53] <Daskreech> Intel has (had?) very good stable drivers but they aren't really that great for video cards though obviously good enough for Desktops and Windows 7 class effects
[20:54] <Daskreech> nvidia probably has the best set of drivers now but they are all closed and they regularly drop old cards from support so if you don't have good FOSS support you gotta kludge old drivers to new kernels
[20:55] <Raven> Hrm.  8400 too old for current support?
[20:55] <Daskreech> I don't keep that close a tab on that stuff anymore
[20:56] <Daskreech> If you want to check out issues with compositing in kde and your drivers then you can ask in #kwin
[20:56] <Daskreech> if you just want to delve into Graphics in Linux head over to #phoronix
[20:58] <areichman> After installing a set of updates yesterday, my plasma-desktop no longer runs. I start the computer and it crashes, running plasma-desktop from konsole does the same thing. Is this a known thing (hopefully with a known solution)?
[20:59] <areichman> I'm on kubuntu 10.10 with kde 4.6
[21:00] <Daskreech> areichman: did you try a config reset?
[21:00] <areichman> is that erasing my .kde folder?
[21:00] <Daskreech> areichman: no please don't do that
[21:01] <areichman> good, I really didn't want to. I like my settings the way they are :-)
[21:01] <areichman> what do you mean by config reset, then?
[21:02] <Daskreech> areichman: it's removing somethings from ~/.kde but you don't need to kill the whole directory
[21:02] <Daskreech> That would remove some importantthings like mail that might be hard to get back
[21:02] <Daskreech> But try this
[21:04] <Daskreech> mkdir -p ~/bkup/plasma && kquitapp plasma-desktop; sleep 5 && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/bkup/plasma && plasma-desktop
[21:06] <areichman> Daskreech: that fixed it. Thank you. I wonder what happened...
[21:06] <areichman> there have been a few updates to kde stuff lately, but I didn't do those last night
[21:06] <areichman> maybe that was the first time I'd restarted since doing the last set, though, 'cause I haven't changed any of my plasma settings recently
[21:07] <Daskreech> If you really want to know you can replace the files in ~/,kde/share/config with the bkup ones one by one till it crashes
[21:07] <Daskreech>  then take out the config lines till you know which one is causing it
[21:09] <areichman> I think I'll pass on that :-) But thank you for your help
[21:09] <lovesthethianood> how do i mount an iphone so i can upload the pics off it?
[21:10] <lovesthethianood> it used to pop uop automaticaly from the bar that had my k menu but ive lost my desktop/kmenu/everything
[21:12] <lovesthethianood> answeres to either propblem would be helpfull. right clicking my desktop has no effect,the little penut/cashew? thing in the top right corner is gone as well as the rectangle desktop area? in the top left corner,all applets and my menu bar
[21:12] <areichman> lovesthethianood: is this a recent thing?
[21:12] <lovesthethianood> just being able to upload my photos would make me happy. im content in running things froma  CLI/alt f2 menu
[21:13] <lovesthethianood> the desktop? no its been gone for 2-3 weeks now
[21:13] <areichman> have you tried resetting the configuration of your desktop? It worked for me just now
[21:13] <areichman> a command like this: mkdir -p ~/bkup/plasma && kquitapp plasma-desktop; sleep 5 && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/bkup/plasma && plasma-desktop
[21:13] <lovesthethianood> theres  kde crash report at startup but it says its probably not helpfuill
[21:16] <lovesthethianood> yessum that worked great! do you think its fixed for good or will i have to repeat at every reboot
[21:16] <areichman> I think it's fixed
[21:16] <areichman> it made new configuration files
[21:16] <areichman> I don't know what the issue was from the old ones, though, so if it happens again, try and remember what the last changes you made to your desktop were (what widgets were added, etc.)
[21:17] <areichman> also, as far as your iPod goes, it should still be there, you're just not getting the notificatoin
[21:17] <areichman> things usually get mounted in /media/the-name-of-your-device
[21:19] <lovesthethianood> hmmm the iphone shows up but it says theres no pictures on it and it wont show up from teh upload photo options on facebook.
[21:20] <lovesthethianood> gwenview finds it but says its folders are empty
[21:21] <lovesthethianood> and its not in /media/
[21:23] <gazra> Hello, I'm using Kubuntu 10.10 and I'm having problems to use my Webcam mic, When I configure it as preferen in Phono it just doesn't work, after clicking apply it seems to configure it, but if I close it and go back to Phono it's not changed.
[21:23] <gazra> Could someone please help me? I can't use skype!
[21:24] <tertl3> gazra: hey
[21:24] <tertl3> did you install pavucintrol and padevchooser?
[21:25] <tertl3> oops, pavucontrol*
[21:25] <gazra> Not yet
[21:25] <tertl3> do that
[21:25] <gazra> tertl3: I'm doing it now
[21:26] <gazra> And then?
[21:26] <tertl3> and then use pavucontrol to choose your cam device
[21:26] <gazra> tertl3: They are already isntalled
[21:27] <tertl3> i have to do this to get my speakers working after a fresh install
[21:28] <tertl3> or my soundcard i should say
[21:29] <gazra> tertl3: Why isn't it possible to configure it through Phono any more?
[21:29] <tertl3> gazra: idk, its a KDE thing I think
[21:30] <tertl3> as long as it works, I don't ask why, only how :)
[21:34] <scan> hello, I have just built in a new motherboard and had to plug my speakers to some other coloured plug, not the standard speaker output. Can anyone tell me how to re-map the exits in kubuntu?
[21:42] <Daskreech> !webcam
[21:44] <Daskreech> scan: udev? though it may be a driver issue
[21:45] <scan> Daskreech:  I dunno, it is only about the plugs and such... headphones, stuck in standard output work
[21:46] <Daskreech> isn't that where headphones should go?
[21:49] <scan> no idea, i only want both at once
[21:50] <gazra> tertl3: skype is still not getting the webcam mic, ;-(
[21:51] <tertl3> gazra: i dont use skype so idk
[21:52] <tertl3> if your webcam works then its a skype issue
[21:53] <gazra> tertl3: ok, I'll keep searching, on gnome skype was working with pulse audio!! And skype is QT!!!
[21:53] <tertl3> gazra: there you go then
[21:54] <gazra> tertl3: Actually to be fair, it was working before the last kde update!
[21:54] <tertl3> although I'de think that someone has solved the issue on KDE
[21:54] <tertl3> gazra: 10.10 or 10.04?
[21:55] <tertl3> or 11
[21:55] <gazra> 10.10 with kubuntu PPA
[21:55] <tertl3> i see
[21:55] <tertl3> i am still on 10.04
[21:55] <tertl3> maybe it works on 10.04 KDE?
[21:55] <gazra> 10.04 was working fine
[21:56] <tertl3> i did some thinking about using new betas and newer releases
[21:56] <gazra> As I said 10.10 was working, it just stop working with the last update
[21:56] <tertl3> and I just could not justify moving away from the LTS
[21:56] <tertl3> maybe if I was a serious dev
[21:57] <tertl3> but I am just a casual user for the most part
[21:58] <tertl3> actually I am using 10.04 with kernel 2.6.38.2 :)
[21:59] <lovesthethianood> hi my iphone is reconized when it plugs in by facebook cant find it via its phot uplpaoder and its not found in /media/ it shows up in gwen view with no photos in its folders. whats up?
[22:03] <lovesthethianood> BTW teh phone works fine on windoze based machines
[22:04] <tertl3> mac too
[22:06] <lovesthethianood> no idea about mac.
[22:07] <tertl3> think about it
[22:09] <greendevil> i am needing some help
[22:10] <lovesthethianood> tertl3: i think im mising your point. the iphone used to work fine now it doesnt. something is amiss with linux. could you elaborate?
[22:11] <lovesthethianood> im sure it would work fine with mac os im just wondering what changed/wrong with kubuntu
[22:12] <tertl3> lovesthethianood: sorry, idk
[22:12] <tertl3> lovesthethianood: 10.04 or 10.10?
[22:16] <greendevil> i am trying to add a lexmark printer to my computer that has linux
[22:18] <valorie> from what I've heard, lexmark is evil, bad, and nasty
[22:18] <valorie> :(
[22:19] <greendevil> i like lexmark
[22:19] <valorie> hehe
[22:19] <valorie> some are partial to Darth Vader, too
[22:19] <valorie> :-)
[22:19] <greendevil> lol
[22:21] <BlaXpirit-UA> Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to enable automatic updates for everything (not only security), without any confirmation?
[22:21] <tertl3> BlaXpirit-UA: maybe you could write a script for that
[22:22] <BlaXpirit-UA> Couldn't find this anywhere and didn't want to ask on forums...
[22:22] <BlaXpirit-UA> what kind of script?
[22:22] <tertl3> a shell script
[22:22] <BlaXpirit-UA> yes, i know :D
[22:22] <tertl3> sudo apt-get update every day @ 2;00?
[22:22] <tertl3> should be possbile
[22:23] <BlaXpirit-UA> hmmm, seems OK
[22:23] <BlaXpirit-UA> can I put some notification after anything has been updated?
[22:23] <tertl3> sure
[22:23] <BlaXpirit-UA> how? :P
[22:24] <tertl3> i'm not sure exactly , but maybe put in in a start-up script so it runs from time you boot up?
[22:24] <BlaXpirit-UA> i mean... if nothing needs to be updated, do nothing; else update and show a notification
[22:25] <BlaXpirit-UA> could make a plasmoid, but... i have a bad experience with it
[22:25] <BlaXpirit-UA> they seem to make the environment slow, if written by someone unexperienced...
[22:26] <tertl3> yes, plasmoid adds confusion to a newb like me
[22:26] <BlaXpirit-UA> well, I could parse the output of apt-get...
[22:26] <BlaXpirit-UA> but there has to be a better way
[22:27] <tertl3> BlaXpirit-UA: yeah, my guess is that someone has done this already
[22:27] <BlaXpirit-UA> but wait -- doesn't it need a password?
[22:27] <tertl3> it should
[22:27] <BlaXpirit-UA> will i have to write my password inside the script? :S
[22:27] <Daskreech> valorie: They are the only peopel I can thin k of with open source printer drivers
[22:27] <greendevil> does anyone know how to add a lexmark printer to a computer with linux
[22:27] <tertl3> password could be automated i'de think
[22:28] <Daskreech> !lexmark
[22:28] <BlaXpirit-UA> automated, yes... but for that   it would have to be written as plain text
[22:28] <Daskreech> damn bot :-p
[22:28] <BlaXpirit-UA> huh
[22:28] <valorie> I think what you are looking for, BlaXpirit-UA, is a cron-job
[22:28] <tertl3> BlaXpirit-UA: i'm not saying I know how, but just saying that i think its possible
[22:28] <valorie> google for cron
[22:28] <Daskreech> greendevil: Did you try cups?
[22:28] <valorie> or man cron
[22:28] <BlaXpirit-UA> "cron" blah
[22:28] <greendevil> no
[22:28] <BlaXpirit-UA> scheduling is not a problem
[22:28] <tertl3> yes you want cron
[22:28] <BlaXpirit-UA> updating itself  is
[22:29] <tertl3> i once used cron to automate irssi startup
[22:29] <BlaXpirit-UA> okay
[22:29] <BlaXpirit-UA> but really, it's not a problem
[22:29] <BlaXpirit-UA> i asked about updates  :S
[22:30] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: I think you can
[22:30] <Daskreech> i would not recommend it
[22:30] <tertl3> BlaXpirit-UA: yes, sometimes linux security can be counter productive :\
[22:30] <BlaXpirit-UA> because... i selected "install all updates" and unchecked "show notifications"
[22:31] <BlaXpirit-UA> seems right, but
[22:31] <BlaXpirit-UA> there simply were no updates -_-
[22:32] <BlaXpirit-UA> "would not recommend"... I heard such things, but I think I trust the developers, and anyway, I just click OK anytie an update arrives
[22:32] <ooki2day__> hello
[22:32] <Daskreech> The developers cannot know the details of your machine
[22:32]  * tertl3 goes back to shining his boots
[22:33] <ooki2day__> I want open the file *.run for writing. how can I do this?
[22:33] <Daskreech> I trust them to make good judgement based on what they know but they can't know my situation as well as I can
[22:33] <BlaXpirit-UA> i like the way you're saying everything but what I need
[22:33] <Daskreech>  It's also problematic once you start mixing repos
[22:33] <tertl3> i mean updates arent that often, why not just type  in password?
[22:33] <BlaXpirit-UA> dunno
[22:34] <BlaXpirit-UA> it's tiring?
[22:34] <tertl3> regardless, cron is probably a good bet
[22:34] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: Try update  kpackagekit but I think that all updates should work
[22:34] <BlaXpirit-UA> i think i have the latest version of KDE
[22:35] <tertl3> cron is basically for starting a script at boot up
[22:35] <BlaXpirit-UA> that's! not! a! problem!
[22:35] <Daskreech> It's a kpackagekit issue not kde
[22:35] <tertl3> so you could say sleep 5000, then update
[22:35] <Daskreech> KDE doesn't care about the delivery mechanism
[22:36] <BlaXpirit-UA> well, i'll try again "all updates" and no notifications
[22:36] <tertl3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoWeeklyUpdateHowTo
[22:36] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: you can check in #kubuntu-devel if there are known issues
[22:37] <BlaXpirit-UA> Cron-apt only downloads new packages. If you are a desktop user, you will be notified that there are updates waiting by a down-arrow icon in the notification area
[22:37] <BlaXpirit-UA> great
[22:38] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: so kill the notifier then?
[22:38] <BlaXpirit-UA> lol.
[22:38] <BlaXpirit-UA> if i kill it, nothing happens
[22:38] <BlaXpirit-UA> i have to accept the whole thing
[22:38] <BlaXpirit-UA> and write password probably
[22:39] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: No just get the Command line to do constant silent updates and then kill all GUI stuff
[22:39] <BlaXpirit-UA> but command line stuff needs a password, i think
[22:39] <BlaXpirit-UA> the *sudo* thing
[22:39] <Daskreech> no it doesn't
[22:40] <Daskreech> not if you tell it not too
[22:40] <BlaXpirit-UA> ok then, please tell me the command to install all the updates that doesn't require a password
[22:41] <BlaXpirit-UA> or is it something more sopisticated?
[22:42] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: more sophisticated
[22:43] <Daskreech> You can tell sudo to not ask for a password
[22:43] <BlaXpirit-UA> that's even more horrifying
[22:43] <Daskreech> I think that youcan also make it do that on a command by command basis
[22:43] <BlaXpirit-UA> THAT'S the "not recommended" thing
[22:43] <BlaXpirit-UA> o.o
[22:43] <tertl3> yeah its in a config file
[22:44] <tertl3> i remember doing it on Fedora
[22:44] <Daskreech> Or you can just make a user who only has access to apt-get and have them have password less access to that one command
[22:44] <Daskreech>  they can update in the background for you
[22:44] <tertl3> for all that su -c nonsense
[22:44] <Daskreech> tertl3: hmm? what about su -c ?
[22:45] <BlaXpirit-UA> i really dont know much of this :(
[22:45] <BlaXpirit-UA> just moved to linux recently
[22:45] <tertl3> Daskreech: i was just saying that I fixed sudo to not ask for password in Fedora
[22:45] <Daskreech> tertl3: sudo isn't su
[22:46] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: ok welcome to Linux :)
[22:46] <tertl3> Daskreech: i know
[22:46] <Daskreech>  BlaXpirit-UA: what are you confused about?
[22:46] <BlaXpirit-UA> currently, the update system
[22:46] <BlaXpirit-UA> it's all so nice, but
[22:46] <tertl3> but I made Fedora use sudo without a password instaed of su -c
[22:46] <BlaXpirit-UA> i want it to be done automatically
[22:47] <Walzmyn> BlaXpirit-UA: you useing kpackagekit?
[22:47] <tertl3> BlaXpirit-UA: for all of this, you could have typed in a million passwords :)
[22:47] <BlaXpirit-UA> yes
[22:47] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: the link that tertl3 gave you should work
[22:47] <Daskreech> tertl3: Learning isn't efficent :)
[22:47] <BlaXpirit-UA> but it's weekly, and either not automatically or "for advanced users"
[22:47] <tertl3> thats true
[22:47] <Daskreech> use of knowledge is but it requires knowledge first
[22:48] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: When do you want it done?
[22:48] <BlaXpirit-UA> maybe  every hour
[22:48] <Daskreech> so make it hourly then
[22:48] <BlaXpirit-UA> but it doesn't remove confirmation! -_-
[22:48] <Daskreech> That's a touch ridiculous unless you are on kubuntu+1 but thats even more dangerous
[22:51] <BlaXpirit-UA> OK, the Advanced Alternative seems promising
[22:51] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: Kill the GUI notifier
[22:51] <BlaXpirit-UA> I'll try it, when I make sure the thing really can't be updated without notification
[22:52] <BlaXpirit-UA> i'll tell you for the third time
[22:52] <BlaXpirit-UA> gui nnotifier is the only thing that makes it possible
[22:52] <BlaXpirit-UA> it notifies me about updates, and only then I click to update
[22:52] <BlaXpirit-UA> it's the way KPackageKit works
[22:52] <BlaXpirit-UA> ..
[22:53] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: Sure I'd advise you keep the GUI notifier for a week or so until you are pleased with how the automation works
[22:53] <Daskreech>  the GUI-notifier does nothing but notify
[22:53] <BlaXpirit-UA> Well, thank you very much for help.
[22:53] <BlaXpirit-UA> I'll try to kill the notifier later
[22:54] <Daskreech> BlaXpirit-UA: what you are seeing is about 6 systems all working together
[22:54] <Daskreech> To you it looks seamless and may seem as if the notifer is crucial. It's actually the least needed part of the system
[22:55] <BlaXpirit-UA> well, I have 4 updates, and it doesn't seem to do anything now that I've disabled the notification
[23:00] <Daskreech> bug 586497
[23:01] <tertl3> he/she left
[23:01] <Daskreech> yeah
[23:32] <quant> hello, if I install 11.04 beta and keep updating, will I end up with a system identical to final release once it's released?
[23:33] <Exilant> not neccessarily
[23:33] <quant> if some new packages get included etc., right?
[23:34] <Exilant> you *might* end up with one, but debian packages handle config files a bit poorly
[23:34] <quant> I see
[23:34] <quant> thanks
[23:35] <Exilant> i mean i did it a couple of times, and it works
[23:35] <Exilant> but afaik such installations are unsupported
[23:35] <quant> ok, got you
[23:36] <Exilant> and btw, natty is running fine here today
[23:37] <quant> I guess it's a lot less "beta" than the Unity variant since it's standard KDE
[23:38] <quant> is it KDE 4.6.1 or 4.6.2 in Natty beta?
[23:38] <Exilant> 4.6.2
[23:38] <quant> cool, thanks and later...
[23:39] <Walzmyn> got an update procedure giving me the option to see the difference between two files - how do I read the difference output?
[23:39] <Exilant> and imho natty with 4.6 is a bit more stable than mavrick with 4.6 backports
[23:39] <quant> Exilant, excellent ;-)
[23:42] <Daskreech> Walzmyn: Can You paste bin it
[23:42] <Walzmyn> emm, not anymore, I went with "keep the old one"
[23:42] <Walzmyn> Daskreech: there were '+' signs in front of most lines and '-' signs in front of some. I didn't know which was the new and which was the old
[23:43] <Exilant> Walzmyn: that might depend on the frontend, but afaik it's the diff format
[23:44] <Daskreech> It is
[23:44] <Daskreech> Walzmyn: man diff
[23:44] <Daskreech> or take diff and run it against some files to get the hang of it
[23:44] <Exilant> i guess the sane way would be to have the proposed changes with + and the old ones with -
[23:44] <Exilant> but i'm not sure
[23:45] <Daskreech> iitwill be file that you have file that you are going to replace it with
[23:46] <Daskreech> the file that you currently have will be the base
[23:46] <Walzmyn> diff's man page gives differnt signs for old / new than what I was served up by apt
[23:47] <Walzmyn> it's OK, I opened the existing file on my drive via nano and found something specific I had set in it, so I told apt to keep the old one
[23:48] <Daskreech> Walzmyn: :-)
[23:48] <Daskreech> still helps to learn how to read that