[00:37] <Daekdroom> What is janitord?
[00:37] <Daekdroom> (the process)
[00:39] <genii-around> !info computer-janitor
[00:39] <bazhang> computer-janitor  something in that delac
[00:39] <bazhang> whoops sorry delac
[00:39] <bazhang> Daekdroom, ^
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Well, the process has been up for like, quite awhile.
[00:39] <Daekdroom> and computer-janitor isn't running anymore
[00:40] <genii-around> The d at the end leads me to believe it's a daemon
[00:43] <GatunoRox> Hello
[00:43] <GatunoRox> can someone tell me where I can get grub support?
[00:47] <made2shred> is there a way to get the .iso for 11.04?
[00:48] <delac> GatunoRox: this might be good place to start looking answers http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[00:48] <delac> made2shred:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[01:24] <cpatrick08> i read about the ubuntu lens on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/five-neat-unity-lenses-in-development/ and i was wondering how i install it
[01:24] <cpatrick08> i mean youtube lens
[01:24] <Daekdroom> They're experimental.
[01:24] <cpatrick08> oh ok so you cant install them
[01:25] <Daekdroom> well, you can, but you can't expect them to work well
[01:25] <cpatrick08> how would i install them
[02:12] <Daekdroom> Had to reset X in the middle of an upgrade. Panic!
[03:33] <bjsnider> i've never seen anything like these sliders
[03:34] <tarsha> Ive been stuck for like 2 days. need some help.
[03:34] <tarsha> i was dual booting.  deleted my linux partiton and used usb to install natty by selecting install alongside windows in the gui
[03:34] <syn-ack> bjsnider, The odd thing is that I don't have the sliders on every app on the system. Very odd
[03:35] <tarsha> now when i boot it asks if i want to boot windows 7 or ubuntu. if i select windows it boots fine.  if i select ubuntu instead of showing me a list of kernels it tells me windows failed to start and to repair windows
[03:35] <bjsnider> no, they don't show up everywhere for some reason
[03:36] <tarsha> File: Ubuntu\winboot\wubildr.mbr  status: 0x0000225  Will not load due to the application being missing or corrupt.
[03:41] <dooglus> ubuntu hangs most times I copy lots of stuff off an SDRAM card
[03:42] <dooglus> it's been doing it ever since the 2.6.38 kernel appeared
[03:42] <dooglus> if I go back to the 2.6.37 kernel the problem goes away
[03:43] <dooglus> I've tried seeing grub to default to 'saved', so it always boots the same old kernel, but it never remembers, and always boots the new broken one
[03:43] <dooglus> any ideas?
[04:10] <bcbc2> did anyone else's desktop theme go all "hardy heron" recently?
[04:10] <syn-ack> No
[04:11] <bcbc2> no matter which theme I pick - my icons are all stuck in the past
[04:11] <syn-ack> bcbc2, log out and log back in. Sounds like the theme engine died
[04:11] <syn-ack> That, on the other hand did happen to me today.
[04:12] <bcbc2> syn-ack: ah good idea
[04:15] <bcbc2> syn-ack: thanks that did it (the glare has gone :)
[04:15] <syn-ack> np
[04:31] <Jerub> i'm having trouble with 802.11n networking on my x200s with an intel 5100 wireless  card, after upgrading to 11.04.
[04:31] <Jerub> i'm wondering if anyone knows a good place to go to find later or earlier kernels to  test possible fixes for my problem?
[04:38] <frybye> re: I installed compiz
[04:39] <frybye> and also the ccsm and tried to do some stuff like wobbly windows and so on - and now unity has gone - even after I uninstall compiz... any tips please..?
[04:45] <frybye> short version of ? - how to restore unity after shooting it up with compiz???
[04:45] <Drknezz> Hi guys, iam using Kubuntu 11.04 x64 Beta and i suddenly start to get this message at boot: "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present" Any ideas?
[04:47] <Omega> frybye: Compiz should already be installed.
[04:47] <Omega> Go into ccsm and enab;e unity
[04:48] <frybye> Omega: ok maybe it was - but I had then installed the ccsm and tried to install the compiz ikon and stuff.. and when I tried to change stuff like getting wobbly windows the thing went bad...
[04:48] <Omega> Wobbly windows probably conflict with unity.
[04:48] <frybye> ok I will re-install compiz and ccsm and re-enable unity... thanks.. brb
[04:53] <frybye> to re-activate unitiy in ccsm - which login should I use before doing that .. can I do it here in "classic without effects" and then switch to "ubuntu" <-- the one with unity.. to see if it has worked or...?
[04:55] <frybye> Omega: where do I find the setting for re-activating unity in ccsm??
[04:57] <Omega> unity is a compiz plugin
[04:58] <Omega> frybye: I think it's better if you reinstall, I don't know all that you've done to your system
[04:58] <Omega> You said you installed compiz, but compiz comes preinstalled.
[04:59] <frybye> lets try to fix this install a bit more before giving up...
[04:59] <frybye> the pluginlist is greyed out..?
[05:02] <Jerub> as far as i can tell, this bug is the one that i'm battling with at the moment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/630748
[05:02] <frybye> I deactivated the automatic plugin sorting but there is no plugin "unity" under deactivated or active??
[05:02] <Jerub> and it's marked as being fixed in a version that i currently have a later version of installed.
[05:03] <Jerub> and the bug has bitten me 3 times in reading through that bug and clicking on links, and twice since i typed the words 'as far as i can tell
[05:03] <Jerub> '
[05:07] <fcomtois> hi guys
[05:09] <fcomtois> is it normal that I dont have the universal menus anymore with the new nightly build?
[05:27] <Griemak> it is normal for the nightly build to be vary unstable, not sure what happened to the global menus in particular with the build you received, could be a dependency issue
[06:08] <needhelp1> how do you see all the applications you have installed like before with beta1
[06:08] <bazhang> dpkg -l
[06:08] <needhelp1> do i really have to search for them via the search bar?
[06:08] <needhelp1> bazhang, via the gui
[06:09] <Griemak> superkey (windows key) and a, then click the arrow next to "installed" to see them all
[06:11] <needhelp1> weird, theres also no easy way to exit the .. large black search screen easily without clicking on something random, or pressing ESC .. which is confusing
[06:12] <Griemak> or tap the superkey again
[06:12] <Griemak> or click the ubuntu logo, as well
[06:12] <needhelp1> Griemak, that doesnt work for me, clicking the logo
[06:13] <Griemak> whooops, you are correct!
[06:13] <needhelp1> that would make sense though
[06:13] <needhelp1> also, the network indicator top right hand corner, mine gets stuck often, i cant reopen the menu unless i click on sound then network
[06:14] <needhelp1> closing the large black search screen by reclicking the ubuntu logo, would this be a design change request, bug ?
[06:43] <din> finally, ubuntu natty on my netbook with the unity compiz plugin
[06:44] <din> also, figured out a workaround for the not enough space on device issue when using the do-release-upgrade tool
[06:44] <din> i.e. don't use it. :)
[06:48] <frybye> re: when installing natty with the alternative cd - on a system that needs nvidia-current installed.. this did not seem to work ok if I riht after the install go to the terminal and install the n-current ..
[06:49] <frybye> should I first do a regular start and when it fails then install the nvidia-current.. the system was all shot up the other way...
[06:53] <frybye> hmm there really is no dialoge at all on this # or has my connection frozen or something??
[06:54] <recusant> seems quiet
[06:55] <frybye> ok - thats reassuring...
[06:56] <frybye> recusant: you have any idea about my ? - is it necessary to do a single (even if unsucessful-) regular boot after install - and -then- install the nvidia support?
[06:57] <frybye> either way i guess i had better try it that way - not having a better idea... ;)
[06:57] <recusant> Not sure -- my install bascially hangs when I login. Fans go full speed, netbook gets hot
[06:58] <recusant> mouse won't respond, or is choppy... quite bad, actually
[06:58] <frybye> I suspect my dear wife thinks it would be far better for me to just kick my ubuntu habit.. hmmm
[06:58] <recusant> ha!
[06:59] <frybye> the thing with win7 is that it is a bit like buying an opel car (here in europe-) some years back - they worked and worked and hardly ever broke down and we just sooooo booring... heheh
[06:59] <recusant> ubuntu is definitely fun, more like a roadster :)
[07:00] <frybye> so at some stage instead of buying the next s/h opel one gets a new lada and can spend the weekends fixing it.. eheheh
[07:00] <frybye> ok  - roadster"" is a bit kinder analoge than "lada" - i admit.. heheh
[07:01] <recusant> they wouldn't call it bleeding edge if there wasn't a bit of blood about
[07:01] <frybye> right.. hehehe
[07:03] <frybye> recusant: re: netbook - natty has or at least had a wlan issue.. don't know if your problem could be indirectly connected to that...?
[07:04] <frybye> where are you by the way - me in berlin germany (am a brit. living there-) this is a bit early for the us - perhaps that is why hardly anyone is around - and you?
[07:05] <recusant> so far, I'm getting in via ssh before i login and running htop. When I login, usually I get four runaway rsyslog processes eating both cores... Once though, wpa_supplicant was chewing on all the CPU, so maybe it is the wlan problem.
[07:05] <recusant> I'm in Colorado, US
[07:05] <frybye> oh right - and just burning the 2am oil or similar...
[07:05] <recusant> been trying to get my poor little netbook to boot all night :)
[07:06] <recusant> exactly
[07:06] <frybye> here it is real dangerous if one gets too frustrated with expensive stuff.. (we live on the 5th floor!!) heheh
[07:07] <recusant> I must admit a bit of frustration, but I did install the beta, so...
[07:07] <recusant> worst case I can just lay 10.10 down over the top, but I hate to go back now
[07:08] <frybye> in a rougher part of town - way back - i can remember hearing a window being thrown violently open - a guy screaming - "the fu****g thing still not working" and then the oldish tv does a gracefull arc from the 6th floor down to the (luckily - deserted) back yard.. heheh
[07:08] <recusant> oh that must have been a pretty crash
[07:08] <frybye> yeah - back then with a wooden case - cathode ray tube and perhaps even a few lamps.. heheh
[07:09] <recusant> much less satisfaction throwing an LCD monitor
[07:10] <frybye> right - not that one could really use it as a sales argument for a tube device.. hehe
[07:11] <frybye> I suspect i am onto the right method with my problem.. it may well be only on doing at least this one initial normal boot that a number of config files get created.. and after that one can start messing with it vial the command line etc..
[07:11] <recusant> I think that's a good plan
[07:11] <frybye> am just a bit concerned that it dosen't wipe the win7 that I also need for work and such...
[07:12] <recusant> Sometimes I force a reinstall of the package
[07:12] <frybye> of course should not be messing with such a system but there you go - no risk no fun...
[07:12] <recusant> can you get in with safe mode, or just completely no go on the first run?
[07:13] <frybye> i can get in with reduced grafics.. I did all this once ok - then shot it up with a stupid compiz setting.. then on re-installing I went straight to recovery/command line with networking and installed nvidia-current - but for some reason that did not work - so this time going to start once without doing that and then.. do it afterwards.. hmmm
[07:14] <recusant> I recall doing something similar and fixing it with a force reconfig of X11, but I can't remember the exact thing... was back in 9.10 or 10.04
[07:17] <bullgard4> Will banshee 2.0 manage to reach Natty yet?
[07:17] <frybye> recusant: seems to be behaving better this time round...
[07:17] <recusant> Yay!
[07:20] <bullgard4> (I just notice that my Synaptic does provide it.)
[07:20] <frybye> was able to do a normal boot to classic mode and there am using jockey-gtk to fix for nvidia - weall see...
[07:20] <frybye> hi bulgard r see you are still at it.. ;=)
[07:21] <syn-ack> bullgard4, it's already there.
[07:21] <bullgard4> frybye: Yes, Ubuntu keeps me busy.
[07:22] <bullgard4> syn-ack: Thank you for your information.
[07:22] <bullgard4> frybye: I missed you last night in the c-base at the GNNOME 3 conference.
[07:24] <frybye> was not aware of it - perhaps the fact I am no longer a crew member of c-base means I dont keep up to date on this stuff so much...
[07:25] <frybye> i had not job for a while and needed to reduce my outgoings.. so c-base and a couple of other expenses went..
[07:25] <frybye> eh - now I have something with "BusyBox..." showed up - whats that all about?
[07:26] <bullgard4> frybye: Not all events there are important. But the conference last night was milestone-setting I guess. Of course the progress in desktop design is a snake in general.
[07:27] <bullgard4> frybye: They outlined the next steps in GNOME 3 design and the cooperation with the KDE project.
[07:27] <frybye> so tell me folks what is this BusyBox v1.17.1 message..
[07:28] <frybye> initramfs"" at the botom...
[07:28] <frybye> sorry bullgard4 but I am up to my ears just now with an installation which is going all wrong .. will be happy for some general chat in *-offtopic when i get this fixed..
[07:29] <frybye> don't want to be rude but am stressed out with this just now...
[07:29] <bullgard4> frybye: OK.
[07:31] <frybye> it says ALOERT! /dev/disk/gy-uuid/ca034etcetcetc does not exist - dropping to a shell!" what now?
[07:32] <frybye> it cant mfso find the /dev/sda3 where the ubuntu is I suspect..grrr...
[07:33] <recusant> http://www.unixtutorial.org/2009/01/list-drives-by-uuid-in-ubuntu/
[07:33] <recusant> blkid might do it
[07:33] <recusant> show you your disks and their ids
[07:33] <frybye> what is that...??
[07:33] <frybye> I do not have a command line or anything else...
[07:33] <recusant> oh.. crud
[07:34] <frybye> I think I had better use a gparted live disk to re-format the partitions and then go for this again...
[07:34] <recusant> Can you boot from a USB stick?
[07:34] <recusant> oh, live cd would be fine too
[07:35] <recusant> that by-uuid is a bunch of links to partitions by id (so that the drivers re-ordering the disks doesn't affect it)
[07:38] <frybye> recusant: I dont have the background knowledge to unstand much of that..
[07:40] <frybye> I intend to delete all but the two win7 related partitions and then re-define them...
[07:40] <recusant> ah. so, previously, if you had a couple hard drives attached to a controller, they might show up as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. If you added another drive, depending on you cables and controller, it might push what *used* to be /dev/sda to /dev/sdb, and /dev/sdb becomes /dev/sdc (and the new drive is /dev/sda)
[07:41] <recusant> so now with UUID (universally unique IDs -- that ca034etcetcetc) the drive is "stamped" by the partitioning tool, and when you boot, it should link a GUID to a /dev/sdX... so the message would indicate that either an ID is missing or incorrect (or outdated)
[07:42] <recusant> so you do have an issue of a mismatch between partitions and configuration somewhere.
[07:43] <recusant> if you don't have anything to save on the linux side and the option of partitioning again is reasonable, it would probably be the easiest approach
[07:48] <frybye> recusant: how do I set the mount point in gparted??
[07:49] <frybye> I have set sda3 to boot - but if i r rightly it needs to be set for   \ also or..?
[07:51] <frybye> recusant: you still around?? or bulldog4 can you help me here...?
[08:23] <bullgard4>  /var/log.boot.log reports: "Starting mDNS/DNS-SD daemon" but System Monitor does not show such a daemon. How come?
[08:43] <whiteda> I am running natty on a dell laptop - after upgradeing yesterday it boots and gets to the login screen but my mouse abd keyboard do not function, so I have to power down to get out.  any suggestions what to try?
[08:43] <galerien> Hi, I just upgraded to 11.04 from a clean 10.10 install and I was wondering if I should install my Nvidia drivers (I don't know if it's going to work or not for this version....) ?
[08:45] <Saamm> I cannot find my installed wine apps in unity under any category but they appear in classic desktop. How to locate them?
[08:50] <whiteda> whiteda giving up - looks like folks are asleep here
[09:24] <lizard1> hi all, onyone can help me fix error: "can not found /usr/bin/X" this error i get after try upgrade to 11.4
[09:24] <lizard1> *11.04
[09:24] <ikonia> lizard1: is that file there
[09:25] <lizard1> ?
[09:25] <ikonia> what ?
[09:25] <lizard1> you ask is have i this file?
[09:26] <lizard1> no i have not
[09:26] <ikonia> ok - so that's why it's breaking
[09:27] <enli> lizard1: that is probably because the program was uninstalled during upgrade process because it might have been incompatible.
[09:27] <lizard1> upgrade proccess was not begining
[09:27] <lizard1> because i "have Hold packcages"
[09:27] <yofel_> yeah, but ubuntu-desktop is supposed to prevent that
[09:27] <torchie> prevent what?
[09:28] <yofel> torchie: <lizard1> hi all, onyone can help me fix error: "can not found /usr/bin/X" this error i get after try upgrade to 11.4
[09:28] <lizard1> syste say me that i can solve it by reboot in recover mode and run dpkg -f
[09:28] <lizard1> after that i lose X
[09:28] <yofel> lizard1: install ubuntu-desktop or whatever drivative you're using
[09:29] <lizard1> allready installed
[09:29] <yofel> lizard1: remove it and install it again then
[09:29] <lizard1> if i try reinstall this, startx say me , that i need nvidia drivers
[09:30] <lizard1> if i reinstall nvidia drivers i again get "can not found /usr/bin/X"
[09:30] <yofel> well if you have an nvidia card, you'll either need one of the nvidia drivers, or xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[09:30] <yofel> lizard1: that file is in xserver-xorg, not the driver package
[09:30] <torchie> speaking of nvidia drivers
[09:31] <lizard1> why system std drivers not working?
[09:31] <torchie> has anyone else encountered permanent freezing of everything but the cursor under Unity?
[09:31] <yofel> lizard1: why don't you have X installed?
[09:31] <lizard1> how i reove all non standart?
[09:31] <yofel> without the x server none of the drivers will work
[09:31] <lizard1> *how i can remove..
[09:31] <torchie> I'm using the noveau drivers on an hp dv6700
[09:32] <yofel> torchie: what does lspci | grep VGA tell you?
[09:32] <zniavre> it is not when you maximize window via the maximize button ?
[09:32] <yofel> lizard1: first, install X again, then see if it works
[09:32] <lizard1> yofel: apt-get install startx?
[09:33] <yofel> lizard1: no, apt-get install xserver-xorg
[09:33] <lizard1> yofel: apt-get install *xinit
[09:33] <lizard1> yofel: ok, i try it
[09:33] <yofel> startx and xinit are commands, not packages
[09:33] <yofel> ah wait, there is an xinit package...
[09:33] <yofel> well, you'll need that too propably
[09:37] <yofel> torchie: ?
[09:37] <torchie> I've been using ubuntu classic and having no problems
[09:37] <torchie> but when I boot into Ubuntu with unity, there are times where all but the cursor freezes
[09:38] <yofel> well, what GPU model do you have? I do get freezes with nouveau, which is freedesktop bug 26980
[09:38] <torchie> and maybe a song would continue playing during this freeze but media keys wouldn't respond
[09:38] <torchie> i saw something about a natty graphics bug relating to libreoffice
[09:38] <torchie> one second
[09:38] <lizard1> "fatal: module nvidia not found"
[09:39] <yofel> lizard1: reinstall the nvidia driver
[09:39] <torchie> well this is going to sound silly but
[09:39] <lizard1> and get "can not found /usr/bin/X again"
[09:39] <torchie> I don't know how to find system specs in ubuntu
[09:39] <torchie> is there like a dxdiag or profiler type application
[09:39] <yofel> torchie: I don't know how to find them in gnome either, but for now, open a terminal and run: lspci | grep VGA
[09:40] <torchie> 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2)
[09:41] <yofel> hm, shouldn't be that bug then
[09:41] <yofel> lizard1: is the file there now?
[09:41] <yofel> hm, he's gone...
[09:42] <torchie> strange
[09:42] <torchie> I've had graphical issues with both proprietary and free nvidia drivers
[09:42] <torchie> with the free drivers everything works but there's that freezing...
[09:43] <torchie> this bug seems to be exactly what's happening though
[09:44] <yofel> well, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' in any case, the X team can decide better than be what the issue is
[09:45] <yofel> s/be/me/
[09:46] <lizard1> well
[09:46] <yofel> lizard1: does the file exist now?
[09:46] <lizard1> thank you very much
[09:47] <lizard1> yes, i have
[09:47] <lizard1> i from x-session now
[09:47] <yofel> :)
[09:48] <lizard1> but, i have trouble with no-update
[09:48] <lizard1> system again say me that i have "hold packages"
[09:49] <lizard1> and i must resolve it before update
[09:49] <yofel> well, then you probably have hold packages
[09:49] <lizard1> how i can know names of this pckages?
[09:49] <yofel> dependency issues aren't uncommon in the devel release, check what 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' says
[09:50] <frybye> thanks to the folks who helped me an hour+ ago if still around - got my natty re-installed and sorted... <happy happy!>
[09:51] <torchie> not sure how to file with the nouveau developers
[09:51] <torchie> they don't seem to be on the list when I go to "new"
[09:51] <yofel> torchie: you did use the command I gave you?
[09:52] <torchie> the one to retrieve the graphics card model?
[09:52] <lizard1> it's say e that i must remove over 20 packages
[09:52] <yofel> first file a bug in the ubuntu bugtracker, after we know that's really a nouveau issue you can file one on freedesktop
[09:52] <yofel> torchie: no, ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[09:52] <torchie> that's a command!
[09:52] <yofel> lizard1: see, you have dependency issues, wait a while and try again
[09:53] <yofel> torchie: ah sry, we usually put commands into quotes here
[09:53] <torchie> my bad, lol
[09:53] <lizard1> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade: packages that has been deleted: acpi-support acpid alsa-utils anacron apport apport-gtk avahi-daemon bluez-cups byobu clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam cron cups cups-driver-gutenprint foo2zjs foomatic-db-compressed-ppds
[09:53] <lizard1>   gdm gdm-guest-session ghostscript-cups hplip hplip-cups knm-runtime libnss-mdns logrotate network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-pptp-kde nvidia-173 nvidia-96
[09:53] <lizard1>   plasma-widget-networkmanagement plymouth-label plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo pxljr screen splix telepathy-salut
[09:54] <lizard1> its normal?
[09:54] <yofel> the nvidia ones, probably, but most others should stay
[09:54] <torchie> if I use ubuntu-bug while I'm under Classic, will the devs know that I was under Unity when the issues occurred?
[09:55] <yofel> torchie: just tell them so when you fill in the details, it would be best if you could file the bug while in the frozen state, but that's a bit complicated
[09:56] <yofel> torchie: you might want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze too
[10:08] <lizard1> and fail again (((
[10:09] <lizard1> now showing start-splash image and "checking battery state [ok]
[10:09] <lizard1> no ore
[10:09] <lizard1> *no more
[10:10] <yofel> lizard1: you didn't remove those packages, did you?
[10:11] <lizard1> yes
[10:11] <lizard1> reove nvidia
[10:12] <lizard1> but on splash screen points indicate that system is working
[10:13] <yofel> hm, maybe one of those driver was used then, run 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.bak}' and run 'sudo service gdm restart'
[10:15] <lizard1> restart: Unknown instance
[10:15] <zniavre> stop first then start
[10:17] <lizard1> fail
[10:17] <lizard1> system say me that it's will run in low resolution
[10:18] <lizard1> ask me for creating new configuration or use system default or custom editing but no happened
[10:22] <yofel> hm, maybe someone else can continue to help you, need to go
[10:22] <lizard1> Morale: If system ask you remove some packages, remove its all
[10:23] <lizard1> dist-upgrade confirmation yes and startx is working
[10:24] <lizard1> i am looser (( Thank you very mach
[11:01] <WaltherFI> Hello folks
[11:02] <WaltherFI> running natty @ friends place
[11:02] <WaltherFI> had to come to ask about a problem
[11:02] <WaltherFI> wine shortcuts can not be added to unity bar
[11:02] <WaltherFI> however, when we installed natty over maverick, there *were* wine shortucts on the panel
[11:03] <WaltherFI> and we could delete them and move them, but not get any more shortcuts
[11:05] <lizard1> who know how get fullscreen mode in wine aps>
[11:05] <WaltherFI> the wine shortcuts were on the desktop on maverick, and after installing natty they were automatically transferred to the unity bar
[11:40] <vak> hi all
[11:41] <vak> is there anything new about lacking system monitor widget/applet in Unity? maybe some neat solutions?
[12:17] <bobusumisu> Anyone can help with boot-error that occured after updating 10.10->11.04? Get error message "Harddisk not ready, can't load /".
[12:20] <penguin42> bobusumisu: What happens if you select the rescue mode from the grub menu?
[12:20] <bobusumisu> The same thing
[12:20] <bobusumisu> only in text mode
[12:20] <bobusumisu> I get a choice of Skipping or Manural Recovery
[12:20] <penguin42> is there any more debug printed in text mode?
[12:20] <bobusumisu> If I skip I get a new error about not being able to load /tmp
[12:21] <bobusumisu> I've done a bootscript-test and pasted here: https://gist.github.com/911276
[12:21] <penguin42> so the question is, is it really having a problem mounting them or is it falsley giving you an error - what happens if you tell it to skip them all?
[12:21] <bobusumisu> if I tell to skip them all I get to the recovery terminal thingy
[12:22] <bobusumisu> there I can't really do anything
[12:22] <penguin42> ok, then if you cat /proc/partitions   does it show your hard drive?
[12:22] <bobusumisu> since I get "filesystem not writeable"-error
[12:22] <penguin42> yeh, just try cat /proc/partitions
[12:24] <penguin42> hmm that bootscript-test thing is cute - where did you get that?
[12:24] <bobusumisu> someone linked it to me on the forums
[12:24] <bobusumisu> it's on sourceforge
[12:24] <penguin42> hmm neat
[12:24] <penguin42> ok, so what does /proc/partitions have?
[12:24] <bobusumisu> sec, I'm on livecd now
[12:25] <bobusumisu> but can't find by / partition
[12:25] <penguin42> yeh, you'll need to do that cat from the rescue shell you get when it fails to boot
[12:25] <J|M> Has anyone experienced the software centre crashing when attempting to submit an application review?
[12:26] <bobusumisu> can't I just mount the harddrive from the LiveCD?
[12:28] <bobusumisu> mounted the partition with /, but the proc folder was empty
[12:28] <penguin42> no, we need to see what /proc/partitions says when it's unhappy
[12:28] <bobusumisu> ok
[12:28] <penguin42>  /proc is magic it's not really on the disk
[12:29] <bobusumisu> I'll reboot and check then
[12:39] <bobusumisu> Here is the content of /proc/partitions: https://gist.github.com/911331
[12:43] <penguin42> bobusumisu: Hmm well that's good - you can see that the kernel has recognised your disk
[12:43] <bobusumisu> btw, the full error text is "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or present"
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[12:45] <yofel> moin BluesKaj
[12:45]  * penguin42 isn't sure whatelse to suggest - you could try running blkid /dev/sda6 from that and see if it matches the UUID in your bootscript-test and grub config file - other than that I'm out of ideas
[12:46] <bobusumisu> Don't understand how an update could have done this. Isn't Grub2 also used in 10.10?
[12:47] <penguin42> oh updates can break anything
[12:47] <penguin42> bobusumisu: I think what you're seeing is post grub, somewhere plymouth/udev/mountall
[12:48] <bobusumisu> guessed so too, but now really nothing about the boot-process :P tried reinstalling grub2 and that didn't change anything so
[12:48] <Sprechkaese> my bamfdaemon is crashing all the time, and also my screen stops working (unity) and I have to go tty6 and kill compiz and unity to make it work again. is there any help?
[12:55] <bobusumisu> I got a tips about maybe the upgrade wasn't 100% completed. Is it possible for me to upgrade the install on the harddrive from the LiveCD (where I am now)?
[12:58] <penguin42> bobusumisu: Tricky but possible; if you mount the disk, chroot into it and mount /proc /sys and /dev and copy your /etc/resolv.conf in then you have a chance of doing an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[13:00] <bobusumisu> as this? chroot /media/diskname mount /proc ?
[13:01] <penguin42> if you do chroot /media/diskname you should get a shell in the environment on the disk
[13:02] <bobusumisu> I get a Exec format error then
[13:02] <penguin42> hmm
[13:02] <bobusumisu> or "failed to run command /bin/bash"
[13:02] <yofel> that means you are chrooting from a 32bit disk to a 64bit system
[13:02] <penguin42> is it a 32bit rescue cd ?
[13:02] <bobusumisu> I think so
[13:02] <bobusumisu> :/
[13:03] <penguin42> right, bbs going to get breakfast
[13:04] <vak> is there anything new about lacking system monitor widget/applet in Unity? maybe some neat solutions?
[13:12] <Greenthy>  Hi, I'm new to ubuntu/linux and just installed 11.04, however it doesn't look like how the live demo looked (it doesn't have the side bar but a bottem bar) how can i change it ?
[13:21] <Greenthy> K so now it says i don't have the hardware to run unity
[13:21] <Greenthy> which i doubt as it's a new dell xps 15 :)
[13:29] <Daekdroom> Greenthy, you're probably lacking proper videocard drivers.
[13:32] <arand> Greenthy: Look up the hardware drivers installer in the admin menu
[13:32] <Greenthy> k ty i'll try that
[13:33] <Saamm> any idea if this is firefox or ubuntu bug ---> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/751067
[13:33] <Greenthy> it's showing nvidia accelerated graphics driver : activated and currently in use so i guess that's fine ?
[13:35] <arand> Greenthy: That should be yes.
[13:35] <Greenthy> might have something to do with intel HD graphics - nvidia & optimus then ?
[13:37] <arand> i don't know I'm afraid, searching for your card type and ubuntu (+ natty/launchpad) might show some hints..
[13:37] <Greenthy> after doing time /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test i get : XLib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[13:38] <Greenthy> hehe jumping into bugs when you're new to linux isn't fun :)
[13:38] <Greenthy> i'll google some more, thanks
[13:39] <mns`> Greenthy: well, if you are new, you shoud try ubuntu 10.10
[13:39] <Greenthy> ye i guess that'd be safer
[13:40] <mns`> should try
[13:40] <mns`> Greenthy: =)
[13:40] <Greenthy> but u know, always wanting the newest
[13:40] <Greenthy> ... :)
[13:43] <bullgard4>  /var/log.boot.log reports: "Starting mDNS/DNS-SD daemon" but System Monitor does not show such a daemon. How come?
[13:50] <Greenthy> Found the fix for the unity not working with optimus : uninstalling the nvidia driver (i guess not optimal but its one way) :)
[13:51] <PsychoAndroid> i cant wait so long for ubuntu 11.04 is the beta already stable enough ??
[13:54] <BluesKaj> PsychoAndroid, I'd recommend installing 10.10 first then upgrading when the 11.04 official release is out ...there are still some probs with X window manager and kernel source drivers for graphics
[13:56] <BluesKaj> PsychoAndroid, , but if you're adventurous and patient then 11.04 is an interesting experience :)
[13:58] <rwhittle> you belly full, we hungry.  biscuits for breakfast.  no gravy, so it'll have to be syrup.
[13:59] <rwhittle> sorry
[13:59] <rwhittle> #offtopic
[14:00] <penguin42> hmm I see kpackagekit is still broken
[14:04] <ceed^> Anyone noticed that screen is mostly black when screen is activated after inactivity for more than an hour. I have to "wake" it up from blackness by bringing applications to the foreground until the screen is fully restored. Never seen that before. I'm on natty fully upgraded.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ceed^, that's a default setting , you change it in power settings
[14:08] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I've never trusted kpackagekit , after several breakages back when it was first included as default , began using synaptic more and more , now muon seems to fit the bill nicely as far as package managers go.
[14:08] <ceed^> BluesKaj, There's notghing wrong with the screen timeout. It's when I hit the moust or keyboard after the screen has been off for a while. It continues to be partly black and apps are suggish to "wake up" again
[14:09] <ceed^> *mouse
[14:19] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It seems to have a problem with forgetting to read the output of dpkg and so dpkg blocks
[14:24] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok ...anyway i use the command line as much as possible and the package manager as a reference
[14:25] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I tend to use the command line for installing specific stuff, but just hittting the icon on the panel for 'oh just do whatever updates have come in'
[14:27] <penguin42> hmm and I'm not getting any update notifications on this <---- unity machine
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Unity is kinda cool...tried it for a bit when I thyought I'd try gnome again , but my preference is still KDE ..guess that mswindows "look" is still buened into my synapses :)
[14:34] <BluesKaj> err burned
[14:34] <ceed^> Fonts are totally messed up in Google Earth when installed on natty. Wonder how to fix that?
[14:35] <graingert> heya, is there any particular reason that ubuntu classic runs the unity interface as well?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> google doesn't integrate their apps wirh desktops settings very well, especially fonts , ceed^
[14:35] <graingert> or do I have to disable the unity plugin in compiz?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> ceed^, you should try to read the fonts on google earth on a large monitor like a 42" plasma that I'm using atm
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ceed^, they're unreadable and unconfigurable ..and chromium and chrome browsers are the same for the bookmarks bar and tabs ...web content is configurable tho,
[14:40] <zniavre> 42   :o)
[14:40] <ceed^> BluesKaj, The fonts are totally unreadable here on this laptop. They are smeared out and broken up. I have a similar laptop with LMDE on it where Google Earth looks great. Same computer, same screen size.
[14:40] <ceed^> Chrome and Chromium works fine here btw.
[14:41] <ceed^> My main problem with natty now is that the screen needs time to fully wake up after it has been turned off for inactivity. That's really weird.
[14:42] <ceed^> Well, there's the issue that Wine apps doesn't show up in Unity...
[14:43] <penguin42> ceed^: Is it actually time or is it the apps don't redraw at all until you force them to?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> zniavre, yeah , this out tv as well..I have a media server pc to the tv via hdmi and the audio connected thru our home theater system audio receiver
[14:44] <BluesKaj> our
[14:45] <ceed^> penguin42, i'm not much of a techie. But when I hit the mouse I only see a menu or two on the screen, the rest is black. If I Alt-Tab and bring an app to the foreground it comes up fine, but there's still black around it. The screen isn't fully back until I have pulled an app all over it.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> zniavre, so when wife wants to watch tv , I have use the other natty pc in my den ..which isn't so bad :)
[14:46] <ceed^> It's like the app windows wipes the blackness away
[14:46] <zniavre> :o)
[14:47] <ceed^> What's the way to report bugs in natty?
[14:47] <zniavre> ubuntu-bug 'soft'   without '
[14:51] <BluesKaj> !launchpad | ceed^
[14:51] <penguin42> ceed^: Right, so what you're describing there isn't time - as I said it's that when it comes out of blank everything needs to be redrawn and isn't
[14:52] <zniavre> #755540
[14:52] <ceed^> BluesKaj, looked at launchpad. can't figure out how to report for natty specifically. I will spend some more time there. Thanks :)
[14:52] <arand> ceed^: Though if you have the possibility to, use "ubuntu-bug packagename" from the terminal
[14:53] <ceed^> penguin42, exactly. If I do not do anything it stays mostly black.
[14:54] <ceed^> arand, I have no idea which package this bug is connected to. I know that's a bad start for a bug report, but that's how it is.
[14:55] <ceed^> penguin42, which package(s) is most likely to cause the redraw problem after screen return you think?
[14:56] <arand> ceed^: If it's something in the interface, menus, sidepanel or so, use "unity".
[14:56] <ceed^> arand, thanks, ok
[14:56] <penguin42> either unity or your graphics driver
[14:56] <ceed^> which is nvidia
[14:57] <arand> Just make as good a guess as possible, it can always be changed alter on
[14:57] <ceed^> I will try log into to good 'ol gnome and check if I have the problem there before I blame unity
[14:58] <ceed^> It only happens if the screen is off for more than an hour, so the gnome check will have to wait until I do not need the puter :)
[14:58] <thiebaude> i use gnome with nvidia :)
[15:00] <ceed^> thiebaude, I have this problem with the screen after it has been off for a while. It stays mostly black and is sluggish until I have drawn a program window all over or maximized a program. I do not know if it's a unity or nvidia problem.
[15:01] <thiebaude> wow, thats weird
[15:01] <thiebaude> ceed^,
[15:01] <ceed^> yes
[15:01] <ceed^> never seen anything like it before
[15:01] <penguin42> thiebaude: I think something is just forgetting to do a refresh
[15:01] <thiebaude> they fixed my bug yesterday :)
[15:01] <ceed^> yep, but it's also very slow
[15:02] <thiebaude> you try classic gnome with no effects?
[15:02] <ceed^> thiebaude, I will try that, but since the problem requires one hour or more of inactivity on my part the weekend is not the right time for that kind of troubleshooting :)
[15:03] <thiebaude> i understand that
[15:03] <ceed^> most likely I will lok into classic desktop tonight and then see if the problem is there in the morning.
[15:04] <thiebaude> well, good luck with it
[15:04] <thiebaude> :)
[15:05] <thiebaude> i see the global menus are gone from 11.04
[15:05] <penguin42> ?
[15:06] <daicazzo> guys, i'm in trouble with nvidia 8600
[15:06] <daicazzo> jockey says that driver is installed but not in use
[15:06] <daicazzo> if I do nvidia-xconfig and reboot the only thing that works is the console
[15:06] <thiebaude> do you have nvidia-settings in the menu?
[15:07] <daicazzo> this is my log with errors, http://pastebin.com/jxQBEWYi , someone may help me?
[15:07] <thiebaude> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[15:07] <daicazzo> thiebaude, yes
[15:07] <thiebaude> ok
[15:07]  * ceed^ likes nvidia-setting
[15:08] <daicazzo> i've tried lots of fix suggested in forums, but no one works
[15:08] <daicazzo> also using jockey-text
[15:08] <thiebaude> daicazzo, you on unity?
[15:08] <daicazzo> i was trying gnome 3
[15:09] <thiebaude> gnome 3 borked my system the past 2 times so i had to do with out it
[15:09] <thiebaude> i dont think gnome 3 is stable
[15:09] <daicazzo> it's not a de trouble, i've the same issue with maverick
[15:10] <yofel> well, gnome3 was released, but the PPA didn't work too great for me yesterday either
[15:10] <yofel> well, it worked, without a proper gtk theme :/
[15:10] <daicazzo> yofel, you have to install gnome-themes
[15:11] <daicazzo> and use gnome-tweak-tool to set the theme to adwaita
[15:11] <thiebaude> your using  aserver kernal daicazzo ?
[15:11] <yofel> aah, why does nothing depend on that...
[15:11] <thiebaude> a server
[15:11] <daicazzo> thiebaude, no
[15:11] <daicazzo> it's a fresh install of  natty,
[15:11] <damien> anyone using natty with a dual monitor set up?
[15:11] <thiebaude> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-27-server i686 Ubuntu
[15:12] <daicazzo> kernel is 2.6.38
[15:12] <Daekdroom> thiebaude, that is where the package was built, iirc
[15:12] <Daekdroom> Has nothing to do with the user.
[15:12] <Daekdroom> but Launchpad only
[15:12] <thiebaude> ahh ok that threw me off seeing that
[15:13] <daicazzo> all works on my netbook with intel card
[15:13] <daicazzo> but on a notebook with nvidia 8600 i've this issue
[15:14] <thiebaude> and i use 8400 gs :)
[15:14] <LarsTorben> hello!
[15:14] <LarsTorben> i am really impressed of ubuntu
[15:14] <thiebaude> hey LarsTorben
[15:14] <LarsTorben> hi
[15:14] <thiebaude> yes me too :)
[15:14] <LarsTorben> :)
[15:14] <daicazzo> thiebaude, and everything works fine?
[15:14] <LarsTorben> it looks so good, but when can i install ubuntu 11.04 ? beta 2 ?
[15:14] <thiebaude> yes now it does, after they fixed a bug i was having
[15:15] <thiebaude> bug 725434
[15:15] <thiebaude> im using gnome classic no effects
[15:15] <thiebaude> i dont need the fancy eye candy,lol
[15:15] <daicazzo> gnome classic is what I see when use vesa on xorg.conf
[15:16] <daicazzo> it's from there that i'm writing
[15:17] <daicazzo> i was in trouble also with maverick , reading around I found a thread saying that installing 64 bit everything works
[15:17] <daicazzo> and that work also for me
[15:18] <daicazzo> but with natty system seems that can't enable or use proprietary drivers
[15:18] <daicazzo> i've deleted nouveau
[15:18] <daicazzo> blacklisted it
[15:18] <daicazzo> and so on, with the same result
[15:18] <daicazzo> also nvidia drivers downloaded from their site won't work
[15:18] <yofel> hard to say what happens without the actual error from /var/log/Xorg.0.log when you try to use the nvidia drivers
[15:19] <yofel> daicazzo: that their installer doesn't work is intentional
[15:19] <daicazzo> yofel, I can restart my pc with xorg setted to nvidia
[15:19] <daicazzo> and post log
[15:19] <yofel> pastebin it so the others can take a look, I need to go
[15:20] <daicazzo> ok
[15:20] <daicazzo> thank you
[15:20] <daicazzo> so i restart, see you soon
[15:25] <daicazzo> i'm here, this is the log http://pastebin.com/dwLYSW70
[15:26] <daicazzo> nvidia-current is installed also if it seems that log says i've it not installed
[15:39] <lizard1> hi all again, anyone can say me why i do not have sound after upgrade?
[15:40] <gordonjcp> lizard1: because Ubuntu insists on using Pulseaudio, which is broken
[15:40] <penguin42> lizard1: Go into sound settings - what do you see in the hardware tab?
[15:41] <lizard1> empty devices tab
[15:42] <gordonjcp> one day I will find out who it was that decided that pulseaudio should be the default, to the exclusion of everything else
[15:43] <penguin42> lizard1: OK, so  what does /proc/asound/cards have to say?
[15:43] <Omega> gordonjcp: Can you take your rants somewhere else?
[15:43] <gordonjcp> and, representing the Linux Audio community as a whole, I will kick them up the backside so hard their teeth go on fire
[15:43] <thiebaude> been using ubuntu for over 5yrs and never had a sound problem,lol :)
[15:43] <lizard1> penguin42: not file or directory
[15:44] <penguin42> lizard1: Really? Is there any /proc/asound ?
[15:44] <lizard1> /proc/asound also
[15:44] <penguin42> lizard1: How do you mean also - does /proc/asound exist?
[15:45] <lizard1> /proc/asound also not exists
[15:45] <ceed^> The only sound problem I've ever had has been been Skype before pulseaudio. other than that smooth loud ride for years.
[15:45] <penguin42> lizard1: oh, that's very weird - that's a kernel/alsa problem - pulse hasn't even had a chance at that point
[15:45] <penguin42> lizard1: What is your hardware?
[15:46] <lizard1> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[15:46] <lizard1>         Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device 7519
[15:46] <lizard1>         Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
[15:46] <lizard1>         Memory at f9ff8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[15:46] <lizard1>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[15:46] <lizard1>         Kernel driver in use: oss_hdaudio
[15:46] <lizard1>         Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
[15:46] <penguin42> lizard1: OK, next time please use a pastebin
[15:47] <lizard1> how it?
[15:47] <lizard1> sorry ((
[15:47] <gordonjcp> thiebaude: I've never had sound working in Ubuntu since they brought in pulseaudio
[15:47] <penguin42> lizard1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ paste stuff into their and it just gives us a URL
[15:48] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Please shut up, this guys problem is nothing to do with PA
[15:48] <gordonjcp> thiebaude: it just takes over the sound card and prevents everything else from working
[15:48] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[15:49] <penguin42> lizard1: Which kernel are you running? ( uname -a )
[15:49] <lizard1> 2.6.38-8-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 5 19:29:52 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[15:49] <gordonjcp> thiebaude: if you want to use jack, you're stuck since PA respawns constantly
[15:50] <penguin42> lizard1: Hmm that's OK, it looks like you have an oss driver loaded rather than alsa
[15:50] <Omega> gordonjcp: Take this somewhere else.
[15:50] <penguin42> lizard1: can you grep oss /etc/modules  and see if it says anything?
[15:51] <thiebaude> flash in full screen in 11.04 works great :)
[15:51] <lizard1> penguin42: no, empty line
[15:53] <lizard1> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/591749/
[15:53] <penguin42> lizard1: so I'm not sure what's loading the oss_hdaudio module your lspci said
[15:54] <penguin42> lizard1: ok, try rmmod oss_hdaudio   and then alsactl init
[15:55] <lizard1> penguin42: alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found..
[15:55] <gordonjcp> Omega: isn't this supposed to be an Ubuntu support channel?
[15:55] <gordonjcp> Omega: since there's a complete lack of support, what do you suggest?
[15:56] <penguin42> gordonjcp: If you have a question about how to do something ask it, but don't get in the way of helping others
[15:57] <penguin42> lizard1: ok, try /sbin/alsa force-reload
[15:58] <lizard1> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/591756/
[15:58] <penguin42> lizard1: what does lsmod currently show?
[15:58] <frybye> re: do I need to install lampp before being able to install/run pure-ftpd?
[15:59] <lizard1> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/591758/
[15:59] <gordonjcp> frybye: you should be able to just install pure-ftpd on its own
[16:00] <gordonjcp> frybye: be sure you want to go down the ftp route though - it's old and was never very secure or reliable to begin with
[16:00] <penguin42> lizard1: OK, take out oss_usb and osscore
[16:00] <frybye> thanks - and that is the same if I also use the pureadmin gui??
[16:00] <lizard1> penguin42: remove it?
[16:00] <penguin42> lizard1: so rmmod oss_usb; rmmod osscore; modprobe snd_hda_intel
[16:01] <gordonjcp> frybye: most FTP clients will cope with sftp which only wants openssh
[16:01] <frybye> I basically want to use it to send in as simple a manner as possible a single big file to a not very techy friend with win7... so for that - set up and run and then shut down.. should be ok I guess...
[16:01] <gordonjcp> frybye: well, if they're *that* un-techy, why not use a web server?
[16:02] <lizard1> penguin42: Year!! thank you very mach
[16:02] <frybye> to send a file?
[16:02] <gordonjcp> frybye: yeah
[16:02] <ceed^> How can a process use 130% CPU?
[16:02] <penguin42> lizard1: So I'm a bit confused about how that's got that way
[16:02] <frybye> they can do ftp - he has a fairly simple web site of his own he uses...
[16:02] <gordonjcp> ceed^: more than one core?
[16:02] <lizard1> ceed^: it man that you computer have more then one CPU
[16:02] <gordonjcp> ceed^: miscalculated values?
[16:02] <frybye> gordonjcp: thanks for the info anyhows...
[16:02] <ceed^> gordonjcp, two cores. Do you think that's why?
[16:04] <ceed^> It's the npviewer.bin process running with Chrome/Chromium plays Flash.
[16:05] <ceed^> Beteween 122 and 132% constantly. That can't be right.. :)
[16:05] <penguin42> ceed^: Sounds par for the course for flash
[16:05] <ceed^> really?
[16:05] <thiebaude> what does each core show seperatly?
[16:06] <thiebaude> ceed^,
[16:06] <ceed^> thiebaude, how do I see that? I'm now using the Gnome System Monitor
[16:06] <thiebaude> i use htop
[16:07] <thiebaude> it show me both cores :)
[16:07] <thiebaude> shows
[16:07] <delac> if it's anything like top, pressing 1 should show both cores
[16:08] <thiebaude> on the top of htop it shows both
[16:08] <gordonjcp> ceed^: it might be
[16:08] <gordonjcp> ceed^: 70% on each core ;-)
[16:09] <ceed^> hmmm htop says 40-50%, but I can't see two core values
[16:09] <thiebaude> right now my total is over 100% but you have to divide that by 2,lol
[16:09] <thiebaude> for 2 cores that i have
[16:09] <ceed^> now htop says 120%....
[16:10] <ceed^> thiebaude, how can you see it split per core?
[16:10] <ceed^> in htop that is
[16:10] <thiebaude> on the very top it shows 1 and 2
[16:11] <thiebaude> and shows a percentage for both
[16:11] <ceed^> oh so it's the total you can see, not on a per process basis?
[16:11] <thiebaude> no
[16:11] <thiebaude> i can see for 1 and 2
[16:11] <ceed^> ok, so it says 80/80 right now.
[16:11] <ceed^> means I have some left even when playing flash :)
[16:12] <thiebaude> mine is 53 and 44 on average with live streaming of espn3 xchat
[16:12] <thiebaude> it always fluctuates
[16:12] <thiebaude> and a terminal,lol
[16:12] <ceed^> thiebaude, thanks for the htop tip. I had forgotten about it. used it a few years ago before I went totally gnome.
[16:13] <thiebaude> ok, cool, yw :)
[16:13] <ceed^> the only terminal app I use daily is mc. my fav file manager
[16:13] <thiebaude> im using 540mb out of 2 gb
[16:14] <ceed^> well, there's apt of course :)
[16:14] <thiebaude> im watching soccer online,lol
[16:14] <thiebaude> ceed^,
[16:14] <ceed^> I'm taking my son to his soccer match soon... :)
[16:15] <thiebaude> well enjoy it already seen everton beta the wolves
[16:15] <thiebaude> beat,lol
[16:15] <ceed^> cool, miss soccer since i moved to the US. Gotten more popular here over the years tho.
[16:16] <thiebaude> ubuntu and soccer, i love it :)
[16:16] <ceed^> yay! :)
[16:16] <thiebaude> free free free, haha
[16:20] <ceed^> I'm off for now. cya
[16:20] <thiebaude> ok tc :)
[16:21] <thiebaude> im about to go soon myself
[16:28] <frybye> hi - have installed pure-ftpd and pureadmin - seems to have gone ok but (excuse my -partial- ignorance-) but what is the ip# or address I have to give a user to access this ftp server of mine..?
[16:29] <daicazzo> no one knows something about my error uh? i repost the log http://pastebin.com/dwLYSW70
[16:29] <frybye> I know my ip address on the net but if they point thier ftp client at this it wil get them automatically to the front door of my ftp server or..?
[16:31] <enli> frybye: yes, that should do it if you are not behind router or firewall. The default settings of port should work.
[16:31] <daicazzo> so, thanks guys, this channel is very useful
[16:32] <daicazzo> fuck you all
[16:34] <dublisk> If I upgrade to 11.04 beta, can I easily upgrade to non-beta afterwards?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> dublisk: if you upgrade to 11.04 and maintain the updates, you do need to upgrade again to be at the final release
[16:35] <dublisk> but I can just do it using apt right?
[16:35] <eamon> what version of GNOME will the new ubuntu be using?
[16:36] <blarn> 2.32.1
[16:36] <eamon> no the til ubuntu 12 then?
[16:36] <eamon> no 3 til ubuntu 12 then?
[16:37] <frybye> enli: I tried to log into the test user account myself with the firefox and it said home directory not available - aborting.. eh - i see in /home/ftpusers there is a dir for the other user I created but not for the test user and at least with the file navigator it wont let me creat a new dir in there?
[16:37] <blarn> eamon: i don't think they have decided
[16:37] <eamon> ok. hopefully they will
[16:38] <blarn> i bet it depends on how debian handles it
[16:38] <charlie-tca> dublisk: yes
[16:38] <enli> frybye: I think you are confusing ftp users with your usual username that you use for using your system. If you follow some tutorial about the ftp server you are installing, you will be able to configure it easily.
[16:39] <frybye> enli no i have fixed it now with pureadmin i think - hang on..
[16:45] <frybye> enli: I have followed the tutorial as far as I know - and there is a ftp home directory for the other user I set up - but I am trying to put something in there for him to collect and it is denying my access...
[16:45] <frybye> e e denying me access...
[16:46] <frybye> enli: admittedly the tutorial assumes loads and loads of general background knowledge that I dont have...
[16:46] <enli> frybye: aha, in that case you need to add yourself to ftpusers or some group so you will be able to add files there.. I don't know the exact which groupname but thats the reason you cant add files there.
[16:47] <frybye> the group is ftpusers - how do I add myself to it...? (Like I say - missing general linux knowledge is the prob.)
[16:47] <frybye> in my case that and also a poor memory (war disab.)
[16:49] <frybye> enli: ok google gave me the answer apparently "useradd -G {group-name} username "
[16:50] <enli> frybye: The gui way, system -> administration -> users and groups -> manage groups -> ftpusers -> make sure your username that you are logged in with currently is ticked.
[16:50] <enli> Sure, command line is better ;)
[16:50] <enli> You will have to re-login I guess and yes you should seek support in #ubuntu, this channel is for 11.04 beta support.
[16:53] <frybye> enli: where is that in unity??
[16:53] <enli> aah, I have no idea really, i personally hate unity. In applications you can search for it I guess.
[16:54] <frybye> I will use the command line...give me a min...
[16:58] <charlie-tca> in unity, click the ubuntu logo, type users in search
[17:00] <frybye> enli: I can't seem to find a dir /etc/groups in /etc - does nautilus display "system dir/files?"
[17:00] <enli> /etc/ doesnt contain groups folder, not that i know of.
[17:00] <enli> what are you trying to do now?
[17:01] <enli> are you referring a file /etc/group ?
[17:10] <lizard1> /etc/group is not fiolder
[17:10] <lizard1> is a file
[17:13] <aguitel> there will be unity or gnome in natty ?
[17:13] <yofel> unity and gnome 2.32
[17:13] <IdleOne> what is the name for the scroll bar thingy?
[17:13] <IdleOne> the new one?
[17:14] <IdleOne> in xchat it keeps disappearing where I can't scroll anymore
[17:16] <aguitel> i like gnome
[17:17] <arand> IdleOne: Overlay scrollbar or so?
[17:18] <aguitel> if ubuntu change this facts ,debian will become more usefull to users
[17:18] <aguitel> this is my opinion
[17:18] <arand> IdleOne: Overlay scrollbar or so?
[17:18] <arand> aq
[17:19] <IdleOne> arand: yes
[17:19] <IdleOne> I removed it but it still appears, after some time it disappears and I am unable to use the scroll bar in xchat
[17:19] <arand> aguitel: Or Fedora, mayhaps, I do think that Ubuntu will do fine with Unity however
[17:19] <arand> I didn't even know that was in already, gotta unity and have a look I guess..
[17:21] <arand> Always a bit lacking to follow +1 in KVM
[17:22] <IdleOne> arand: I am on classic desktop btw
[17:22] <genec> I've encountered an error in grub during install with Ubuntu 11.04-beta1 using btrfs; trying to figure out what bug to report it on (or a new one);  I've tried #ubuntu-testing and was guided here from #ubuntu
[17:22] <penguin42> genec: What's the error
[17:23] <arand> IdleOne: Hmm, I gues it requires compiz?
[17:24] <IdleOne> arand: thing is that it works but at random intervals it stops working
[17:24] <genec> when attempting to install grub2 to the volume with btrfs fails (sda1); selecting the volume's parent (sda) results in the grub rescue prompt.  selecting sda at first results in a successful install
[17:24] <genec> penguin42: ^
[17:24] <IdleOne> no error message or anything
[17:25] <arand> IdleOne: Well, that's another bug report I guess ;)
[17:25] <benzaldehyde> genec: also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty
[17:25] <IdleOne> yeah, I am going to try and kee track of how long it takes and see if there is a pattern before reporting the bug
[17:26] <penguin42> genec:  It sounds like a bug against the installer, ubiquity
[17:26] <benzaldehyde> genec: or http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty
[17:27] <genec> benzaldehyde, penguin42: I know there's the btrfs blueprint and bug 712029
[17:30] <penguin42> genec: You seem to be describing something more speicific
[17:30]  * penguin42 doesn't know btrfs though
[17:32] <genec> honestly, this is only the second time I've played with btrfs
[17:32] <arand> genec: Aren' you always supposed to have a non-btrfs /boot still
[17:32] <deskey> ny one know how to disable desktop effects in 11.04 beta version?
[17:33] <penguin42> genec: You seem to be saying you have a specific combination that fails and another that specificially works, that seems worthy of documenting in a bug
[17:33] <genec> arand: it works as a single / volume with /boot in its file system and grub in the volume's parent.
[17:33] <genec> arand: the partitioner also didn't warn of anything when selecting the volume itself.
[17:35] <benzaldehyde> deskey: before you sign into gnome look at the bottom there will be a basic version to choose from and once you are in gnome you can turn off startup applications  and things
[17:35] <arand> genec: Hmm, I'm not sure if btrfs is supposed to work without a separate /boot yet, if not the installer definitely should warn about that... What do you mean by "grub in the volume's parent" by the way?
[17:35] <cryptk> ok, I am not on 11.04, running gnome3... so far I like...
[17:36]  * cryptk is just running all kinds of new/experimental stuff now
[17:36] <genec> arand: it does;  the question is rather ubiquity/grub2.
[17:36] <genec> arand: sda1 being the volume; sda being its parent.
[17:36] <arand> Ah, right you meant the MBR.
[17:37] <genec> arand: and the "hidden sectors", yes.
[17:37] <genec> penguin42: what I'm trying to figure out is if someone has already reported similar behavior or a bug that it should be associated with.
[17:38] <deskey> benzaldehyde: there are no option i can see in the startup application to switch off the desktop visual effects
[17:39] <penguin42> genec: Well if you've done a fair job of having a look for it report it; it's better reported and then merged than not reported
[17:39] <GatunoRox> hello
[17:40] <GatunoRox> Daekdroom: Você é brasileiro?
[17:40] <genec> and hopefully before next milestone (at least for release notes) and full release (to at least warn/block in ubiquity).
[17:41] <arand> genec: Googling around briefly I see no indication that the non-btrfs /boot requrement is gone, an appropriate warning would be nice though...
[17:42] <Daekdroom> GatunoRox, yes, but this is an english channel.
[17:43] <GatunoRox> Daekdroom: sorry
[17:43] <benzaldehyde> deskey: if you ctrl+alt+f1 then sudo service gdm stop then sudo service gdm start you will notice after you click your user at the bottom a rectangular shapped box with a drop down arrow, click that and choose basic gnome or no effects, i forget what it is called but it is an option there and will default to that option once you choose it
[17:43] <genec> arand: it may be Ubuntu-specific but I know there's at least one BIOS (versus EFI) bootloader that shouldn't have issues.  I think it's a matter of the maturity of grub2 support of btrfs
[17:44] <deskey> thanks
[17:44] <genec> (or the controls for grub2)
[17:44] <GatunoRox> Can someone help me find a way that the grub installed on my USB HDD will handle things when I exchange PC's and the drive mapping changes?
[17:44] <arand> Yes grub2<->btrfs is the main issue, and has always been afaik
[17:45] <arand> There is progress in that area, but I've not heard that any of that has landed properly in natty
[17:47] <genec> the "good" news is that if you leave the default of the parent device (I don't want to say root for / confusion), it works.
[17:48] <arand> So mbr on sda and a btrfs on sda1 (and no separate /boot) does work?
[17:49] <arand> But not if you try to install grub to a partition bootrecord?
[17:51] <ghostcube> eut
[17:51] <ghostcube> ups
[17:51] <arand> genec: ^ ?
[17:53] <genec> arand: exactly.  selecting sda1 fails; attempting to select sda doesn't appear to fail but doesn't work; sda unchanged and sda1 boot block is zero (64kiB long)
[17:54] <arand> genec: Um, so if sda doesn't work, what does?
[17:55] <genec> arand: if and only if sda was selected first in the partitioning tool
[17:55] <arand> I'm assuming the usage of the mebedding area are crucial for managing to read the btrfs...
[17:55] <genec> arand: if you select sda1 in partitioning tool, install, grub install fails; selecting sda at this time also fails
[17:57] <arand> Hmm, right, well that seems definitely like a bug then, so even if you select sda1 and then immidiately select sda again before installing it fails to?
[17:59] <arand> genec: I asked in #ubuntu-installer and it is supposed to work, there is an outstanding bug in grub though, however this sounds more like an installer bug...
[17:59] <genec> arand: bug 732149 perhaps?
[18:00] <dooglus> can someone help me either stop the 2.6.38 kernel from freezing regularly, or configure grub to default booting the 2.6.37 kernel, which works fine for me?
[18:00] <arand> genec: Yea, that might be the one, which should be unrelated to the issues you are seeing, afaik.
[18:00] <genec> arand: sounds like I may want to join #ubuntu-installer
[18:00] <arand> genec: or #grub
[18:01] <arand> genec: or #btrfs
[18:01] <lcb> dooglus, when booting, press shift before grub loads and choose the kernel you want
[18:01] <genec> arand: and probably try current daily rather than the milestone
[18:03] <arand> dooglus: Please do report a bug on it in order that the devs will be aware of the issue.
[18:03] <deskey> is there anyway to change the boot screen?
[18:03] <arand> dooglus: In /etc/default/grub you would be albe to set the number for the default entr
[18:05] <bob__119> is there an alternate gui for the one with the big icons down the left (gnome3?)?
[18:08] <deskey> sorry the splash screen
[18:09] <deskey> is there anyway to change..can't find in the login options anyway
[18:09] <arand> bob__119: There is ubuntu classic. You could install nome using the PPA, however those packages are not stable.
[18:10] <deskey> sudo apt-get install gnome-splashscreen-manager ,,, output an error :E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:10] <deskey> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:12] <arand> Is another process using it? :þ
[18:12] <deskey> hmmm. see, synaptic manager keep crashing...
[18:12] <deskey> :!!!
[18:12] <deskey> i need to re boot
[18:12] <deskey> :(
[18:23] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Hi Friends
[18:24] <penguin42> hey
[18:25] <kothaguy_ubuntu> i am using natty,can any body able to make audio/video call with empathy
[18:25] <syn-ack> I can.
[18:25] <frybye> re: is there some way I can avoid the whole "ownership" question when i want to share stuff via my ftp server with a friend.. some way to have the ownsership automatically opend up for everyone or for this ftpuser when I put this stuff in his ftp home directory..?
[18:26] <kothaguy_ubuntu> syn-ack: :r u able to make audio/video call with the other person who is using windows?
[18:26] <syn-ack> Don't know
[18:26] <syn-ack> kothaguy_ubuntu, And could you please spell out all your words. Thank you.
[18:28] <kothaguy_ubuntu> I am unable to make audio/video call with empathy..my netbook works perfect..i can see video with webcam,i can hear my voy
[18:30] <kothaguy_ubuntu> my voice properly
[18:31] <kothaguy_ubuntu> help needed in this issue
[18:33] <kothaguy_ubuntu> X-(
[18:34] <dooglus> arand: do you know what I should put in /etc/default/grub?  yesterday I put GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in there and ran update-grub but nothing changed
[18:34] <dooglus> arand: then today when I updated, apt-get asked if it could change it back, so I let it
[18:35] <arand> dooglus: You can put a number, or the title of the entry, or saved which will set the laste used entry as default I think
[18:36] <alex_mayorga> bug 741385
[18:39] <alex_mayorga> would a fix get out soon?
[18:43] <dooglus> arand: the previous versions are in a 'previous linux versions' submenu, which I guess is breaking it
[18:43] <arand> dooglus: Hmm, that may be, i don't know how to fix that though...
[18:44] <dooglus> arand: me neither
[18:47] <digitalfiz> can you make unity have only 1 desktop?
[18:52] <AnubArack> My netbook can't enter suspend or hibernate. It says I don't have enough swap, but I do have 130% the ram worth of swap.
[18:54] <trism> digitalfiz: yes, in ccsm, under general settings, on the desktop size tab, drag horizontal and vertical to 1
[19:03] <AnubArack> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591817/ Why can't I hibernate ?
[19:10] <IdleOne> AnubArack: summer is coming
[19:10] <IdleOne> :)
[19:11] <Pici> hah
[19:11] <AnubArack> yes, and ?
[19:12] <IdleOne> animals hibernate in the winter....
[19:12] <AnubArack> oh that's rich
[19:12] <IdleOne> I thought you might like it
[19:12] <IdleOne> :P
[19:12] <digitalfiz> i did
[19:12] <Pici> AnubArack: I'd log a bug.
[19:12]  * digitalfiz is quite amused
[19:13] <IdleOne> digitalfiz: thank you Sir. you are clearly a person of breeding and intelligence
[19:13] <thauriswulfa> hi all, i have pentium 4 , 512mb ram, is 11.04 good for my sys config.
[19:13] <Pici> thauriswulfa: You're probably on the low-end for ram.
[19:13] <IdleOne> thauriswulfa: ram is a little low but it should run
[19:13] <digitalfiz> IdleOne, likewise :)
[19:13] <thauriswulfa> pici: okay, i'll upgrade the ram,
[19:14] <thauriswulfa> pici: do i need graphic card
[19:14] <IdleOne> only if you want to use a monitor
[19:14] <AnubArack> i'd say xfce is better for 512mb, but do upgrade if you can
[19:14] <IdleOne> I think there is a bug where Ubuntu won't install without a monitor detected
[19:15] <Pici> IdleOne: Desktop?
[19:15] <IdleOne> Pici: yeah
[19:15] <IdleOne> not sure if that was fixed. I saw it somewhere.
[19:16] <IdleOne> Then again not sure that could be considered a bug. Why install Desktop without a monitor.
[19:16] <jbicha> servers don't need a monitor
[19:16] <IdleOne> right
[19:18] <AnubArack> btw can some1 give me the URL to the bug tracker?
[19:18] <IdleOne> !bug
[19:18] <IdleOne> launchpad.net
[19:19] <AnubArack> ty
[19:19] <psusi> if you don't have a monitor, how do you expect to install?
[19:31] <carli2> hi
[19:31] <carli2> i found no place to mount my hard disks in unity
[19:31] <dupondje> drwx------  2 rsnapshot rsnapshot 4096 Apr  9 20:25 test
[19:31] <dupondje> rm: cannot remove `test': Permission denied
[19:32] <dupondje> $ whoami
[19:32] <dupondje> rsnapshot
[19:32] <dupondje> any idea's ? :)
[19:35] <carli2> i dont find my hard disks on unity
[19:36] <carli2> i dont find any program/place which name i dont know exactly
[19:36] <psusi> dupondje, ls -ld .
[19:37] <dupondje> dr-xr-xr-x 6 rsnapshot rsnapshot 4096 Mar 10 23:09 .
[19:37] <dupondje> héhé ok
[19:37] <dupondje> :)
[19:38] <dupondje> wasn't thinking about that :) thx
[19:50] <Joeseph> I just installed the beta for natty, and no icons or bars on my desktop…  Do I need to re-run unity from the terminal or something?
[20:01] <ailo_> Joeseph, Try logging out and choose "classic" desktop when you log ing
[20:02] <ailo_> Joeseph, nvidia? ati?
[20:02] <carli2> the design of unity is a bit confusing
[20:03] <carli2> i only see symbols that look the same
[20:05] <penguin42> they shouldn't all look identical
[20:05] <penguin42> the symbols should be the icons of the individual programs
[20:06] <carli2> not for the hard disks
[20:07] <Joeseph> ailo: I'll try that.  I think it might be because my drivers aren't installed yet. (Actually using parallels...)
[20:08] <penguin42> carli2: You've got hard disks showing up - I don't see any
[20:11] <carli2> i give you a hint: dont use unity as default for the 11.04 release. it's unfinished and will lose sympathy. use it as an alternative to gnome3 and you will get a lot of experimental fans that will try unity
[20:20] <JanC> carli2: gnome3 is totally untested on Ubuntu, so that's no option...
[20:20] <JanC> (it's even not completely packaged yet, I think)
[20:26] <syn-ack> JanC, People who think they know better and think they should voice their uninformed opinion is all. :/
[20:27] <carli2> so this is not gnome3?
[20:27] <syn-ack> No
[20:27] <carli2> then i said gnome at all
[20:27] <carli2> ment^^
[20:38] <ryanprior> Is there a way to get Firefox to use the new slick scrollbars?
[20:47] <RxDx> how can I use gnome3 on natty?
[20:47] <thiebaude> i tried both times and it borked my system
[20:47] <thiebaude> i use the gnome3-ppa
[20:47] <thiebaude> used
[20:47] <Amaranth> ooh, natty partner repo has java now
[20:48] <ryanprior> You read the gnome3 documentation and build it yourself, as far as I'm concerned.
[20:48] <ryanprior> The ppa has been having breakage for some people.
[20:48] <ryanprior> And the gnome3 people aren't interested in supporting random ppas, for obvious reasons.
[20:48] <thiebaude> i'll stick to gnome classic no effects :)
[20:48] <Amaranth> boo
[20:49] <Amaranth> unity ftw
[20:50] <ryanprior> I think unity will be pretty great... in awhile.
[20:50] <ryanprior> I decided to take the plunge yesterday and start using unity full-time. It's not horrible.
[20:50] <thiebaude> imho, i bet in the next ubuntu unity wont be default
[20:50] <Tigerplug292> hey there - i just upgraded and I lost my compiz effects - I'm using an nvidia card
[20:50] <Amaranth> I guess I must just know what parts to not poke, it never crashes for me :)
[20:51] <Amaranth> thiebaude: I highly doubt it
[20:51] <ryanprior> thiebaude: I'd say contrariwise, it's more likely that natty will ship with default gnome, and that's unlikely as it is.
[20:51] <Amaranth> natty will ship unity
[20:51] <ryanprior> thiebaude: In 6 months unity will be better quality, I'd bet on that.
[20:51] <Amaranth> If the TB tries to say otherwise I bet they get sabdfl overriding it
[20:51] <ryanprior> natty pretty much has to ship unity since that has been the plan for so long
[20:51] <Amaranth> But I don't even think the TB will say otherwise
[20:51] <ryanprior> but I'm not convinced that Unity is totally ready for launch day
[20:52] <thiebaude> really,lol
[20:52] <Amaranth> At this point it's down to some crashes to get fixed
[20:52] <Amaranth> There are some interaction oddities but overall it's a better experience than gnome classic
[20:52] <ryanprior> It's crashed on me twice so far, but I expect that those will get fixed.
[20:53] <ryanprior> What I'm more worried about are graphical glitches and performance issues.
[20:53] <Amaranth> Did you report the crashes?
[20:53] <Amaranth> Shouldn't be many more of those than any other release, we've been using compiz for years
[20:53] <ryanprior> No, I'm not sure yet whether they are Unity's fault.
[20:53] <ryanprior> My graphics card has been on the fritz.
[20:53] <ryanprior> So I'm not reporting anything until I've had a little more experience.
[20:54] <Amaranth> unity uses two things standard compiz doesn't: FBOs and shaders
[20:54] <Amaranth> And it can fall back from shaders to fragment programs which is what compiz uses now
[20:54] <ryanprior> Here's one consistent thing I've seen : if I change the font hinting to "full" it causes a glitch in the dock mouse-over text.
[20:54] <Amaranth> So really the only new part that could cause bugs is FBOs but if those are buggy the whole driver memory model is likely buggy so you've got bigger problems :)
[20:54] <penguin42> what's an FBO?
[20:54] <ryanprior> frame buffer object
[20:55] <ryanprior> arcane graphics magic thingy
[20:55] <Amaranth> It lets you draw offscreen
[20:55] <Amaranth> Actually the compiz blur plugin uses FBOs too
[20:55] <penguin42> oh, I hadn't realised unity did anything different from compiz in the way it actually dealt with the windows
[20:55] <Amaranth> it doesn't, unity draws its interface in to a FBO
[20:56] <Amaranth> Just so it doesn't mess with compiz state and vice versa
[20:56] <Amaranth> Ideally one day compiz itself will draw each window into a FBO
[20:57] <Amaranth> But other than some weird corner cases and possible bugs in unity itself if your computer has been able to use compiz with the blur plugin you shouldn't have any driver issues causing unity problems
[20:57] <ryanprior> I didn't use compiz before. I messed with it but it dropped the FPS on my 3d games.
[20:58] <Amaranth> Me, I have sandy bridge graphics, so I get lots of weird issues. Nothing reproducible though so I can't report anything.
[20:58] <Amaranth> ryanprior: Ah, you must use nvidia then
[20:58] <ryanprior> Nope, I'm on fglrx.
[20:58] <Amaranth> Odd, benchmarks have shown little to no drop in FPS with anything except nvidia
[20:58] <ryanprior> Maybe that's true, but if I used alt+tab to get to an IM or my music player or something and then alt-tabbed back into my game, the FPS took a huge hit.
[20:59] <ryanprior> When I disabled compiz I didn't notice any degradation from alt-tab usage.
[20:59] <Amaranth> ah, driver doesn't like you switching contexts
[20:59] <Amaranth> OpenGL contexts, that is
[20:59] <Amaranth> That sucks
[20:59] <Amaranth> brb, reboot
[21:02] <Belboz9999> Hey all, this is really starting to irk me, I've been using Ubuntu since 2005, and at least 1/2 of the upgrades and installs I do with it have broken grub on first boot
[21:02] <Belboz9999> currently, grub2 seems to be missing a few key ingredients
[21:02] <ryanprior> Belboz9999: yeah, same here. I always plan for that now. >.<
[21:03] <ryanprior> Belboz9999: it's served to strengthen my grub-fu at least.
[21:03] <Belboz9999> error: symbol not found: `grub_env_export' .
[21:04] <ryanprior> Belboz9999: my weapon of choice is the Ubuntu livecd with chroot and dpkg-reconfigure. Does that tell you anything useful?
[21:04] <thiebaude> i just had  agrub update, and i just rebooted just to make sure everything was ok
[21:05] <thiebaude> a grub
[21:05] <Belboz9999> I tried resetting some grub settings, the prefix and the root, and as-per instructions I tried to finish with insmod linux, and it spits out: error: symbol not found: `grub_mm_base'  .
[21:05] <Belboz9999> ryanprior: yeah, I know that drill
[21:06] <ryanprior> Belboz9999: okay, you're probably looking for a sharper tool than I use then. ;-)
[21:06] <ryanprior> I just nuke grub and re-build it until it works.
[21:06] <Belboz9999> I shouldn't have to resort to an installation disc though, I don't even have one for Natty, I could probably use an older 10.04 or 10.10 though as it's all Grub 2, and if I'm chrooted I'm using the installed OS anyway
[21:06] <ryanprior> right, any basic resuce cd should work
[21:07] <ryanprior> s/resuce/rescue/
[21:08] <Belboz9999> mostly I'm PO'ed because I don't get a whole lot of free time when I'm watching my daughter all day
[21:09] <Belboz9999> now she's finally down for a nap, and what do I get to do with my free time?  fix grub :(
[21:10] <Belboz9999> you guys might not believe this, but I met my wife in a college course titled "Learning Unix using Linux"
[21:10] <Belboz9999> it was mostly on command-line tools and bash scripting :D
[21:11] <Belboz9999> her favorite shirt is the one that reads !## /usr/bin/girl
[21:12] <Logan_> !ot | Belboz9999
[21:14] <ryanprior> Is there a way to get Firefox to use the new slick overlay scrollbars?
[21:14] <Amaranth> Nope
[21:14] <Amaranth> Will need someone to modify firefox specifically
[21:15] <ryanprior> Some day, then. :-)
[21:16] <dylan-m> Yo! I'm developing a little Qt4 app with QtCreator, and I'm getting some really horrible behaviour with the Unity launcher. Wondering if anyone else is getting this…
[21:16] <dylan-m> It's adding extra items that point to the same application (and it keeps adding more and more and more). Seems to start with my Qt app, then it happens to others as well.
[21:18] <Amaranth> dylan-m: Do you have a .desktop file for your app?
[21:18] <Amaranth> Otherwise unity can't really keep track of it
[21:19] <dylan-m> Nope. It's just a single very tiny program for school. Unity adds a new launcher item every time I open and close a file dialog.
[21:22] <dylan-m> Amaranth: Here's a screenshot after I have closed my application, with the problem apparently spreading to Empathy somehow. (And Qt designer isn't actually running any more, either): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2117279/UnityLauncherWeirdness.png
[21:22] <Belboz9999> I think I found a typo in some documentation for BasicChroot
[21:23] <Belboz9999> under Creating a chroot it reads: 1. Install the dchroot and debootstrap packages
[21:23] <Belboz9999> I believe that should read *schroot*, not dchroot
[21:23] <Belboz9999> one exists, the other does not :P
[21:24]  * penguin42 has used the dchroot command
[21:24] <penguin42> it's in the dchroot package
[21:25] <penguin42> ah, the apt info for dchroot suggests using schroot because schroot is better
[21:33] <Amaranth> Belboz9999: That's talking about setting up a chroot on your current system
[21:33] <Amaranth> Belboz9999: debootstrap will build you a full ubuntu install
[21:34] <Amaranth> well, a minimal one, anyway
[21:34] <Amaranth> Belboz9999: you just want to mount your / in /media/root or something when sudo chroot /media/root
[21:34] <Amaranth> s/when/then/
[21:35] <Belboz9999> yeah, fudge, just got all that done, attempted a chroot and discovered I had an i686 architechture disc
[21:36] <Belboz9999> WHY oh WHY isn't it obvious anywhere in the loading, or hell even operating of Ubuntu as to which architecture the installation is?
[21:36] <Belboz9999> I could go "System > About Ubuntu"
[21:36] <Belboz9999> and it's very good at telling me that it's 10.10
[21:36] <Belboz9999> but NOTHING states the architecture type!
[21:36] <Belboz9999> have to do a uname -m
[21:37] <Belboz9999> another 30 minutes down the drain, frak!
[21:38] <Belboz9999> Oh my, you've got to be kidding me
[21:39] <dylan-m> You can find it under System Monitor ;)
[21:39] <Belboz9999> there's a lovely, (honestly, it looks really nice) slider on the Ubuntu.com homepage showing off the Beta release of 11.04, and a nice "Try me" button included
[21:39] <Belboz9999> and when I click on that, 10.10 is the only option available!
[21:39] <guntbert> Belboz9999: please stop that monlogue
[21:39] <dylan-m> (Though I'm not sure why exactly it is called System Monitor, since it's really a general-purpose information panel, but so be it)
[21:39] <guntbert> *monologue
[21:58] <dlbike76> Are there any problems with the latest daily live cd?
[22:17] <Debolaz> How do I configure Unity in Ubuntu Natty to always start applications maximized?
[22:33] <Mamarok> hi
[22:34] <Mamarok> I just performed an upgrade of my Natty installation and now it hangs on setting up grub-pc
[22:35] <Mamarok> any hints what I could do?
[23:06] <eamon> Mamarok: install a different OS? gentoo perhaps?
[23:08] <Mamarok> eamon: you are kidding, aren't you?
[23:09] <eamon> yes, I kid. I'm afraid I can't help you Mam. Try rolling back to Natty perhaps.
[23:10] <Mamarok> eamon: this is about Natty
[23:11] <eamon> oh, Natty is !! right?
[23:11] <eamon> 11
[23:11] <eamon> the names confuse me
[23:12] <eamon> I thought the new one was Maverick and the old one Natty
[23:13] <Mamarok> eamon: N comes after M
[23:13] <PresuntoRJ> eamon: and the numbers, 11 comes after 10 ;)
[23:14] <eamon> yeah, it doesn't work like that.... have you tried reinstalling grub manually
[23:14] <eamon> !grub2
[23:14] <PresuntoRJ> eamon: the second portion of the number is the month the release got out, 04 for april (06 in the case of 06.06 LTS) and 10 for october
[23:15] <eamon> but te names dont go alphabetically
[23:15] <eamon> the first one was warty warthog
[23:15] <Mamarok> eamon: that is not the point, I reported a hang in the upgrade process
[23:15] <ooki2day__> pls, help
[23:15] <eamon> man the first ones had much cooler names
[23:15] <eamon> what's wrong ooki2day__  are you drowning?
[23:16] <Mamarok> besides killing dpkg and having to run it again, there is an upgrade problem anyway, I doubt installing grub maunally is a valid answer for a user
[23:16] <ooki2day__> what I do: sudo ./q.run
[23:16] <Mamarok> whatever
[23:16] <ooki2day__> what ans my konsole: cannot connect to X server :0
[23:17] <eamon> Mamarok: if your computer is hanging during grub thern somethings wrong with grub and it needs to be reinstalled... unless i'm nott onderstyanding you right
[23:17] <Mamarok> eamon: well, it broke in the upgrade process, read again what I wrote
[23:17] <eamon> wow that's a lot of typos
[23:18] <Mamarok> the computer doesn't hand on startup, but when upgrading
[23:18] <eamon> the upgrade broke it I got that
[23:18] <eamon> so are you just letting us know? If so you should file a bug report
[23:18] <Mamarok> eamon: AFAICS the previous version is still here, nothing was written
[23:19] <eamon> oooh right, sorry I get it now, the upgrade won't finish
[23:19] <Mamarok> eamon: *sigh* see I won't file a bug report if this is known already, hence my question here before filing one
[23:20] <eamon> you're better off searching the bug reports
[23:20]  * eamon drums fingers
[23:20] <Mamarok> eamon: I did
[23:20] <eamon> you might save some time and not have to sigh
[23:21] <eamon> go ahead and file a report, you have my blessing!
[23:36] <frewsxcv> hey, running into a 11.04 beta problem here. running an apt-get update and getting this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1200628
[23:36] <frewsxcv> any ideas?
[23:37] <rww> frewsxcv: delete the file it mentions and run sudo apt-get update again
[23:38] <skpl> can i change teh size of the icons in the deskbar in 11.04?
[23:40] <frewsxcv> rww: thanks
[23:40] <Debolaz> Just to repeat my question from earlier: How can I configure Unity to start all applications maximized?
[23:40] <skpl> is it possible to mount a windows partition while using the live cd?
[23:41] <penguin42> I'm not aware of any modern window manager that can be configured like that - the old ones can
[23:41] <penguin42> Debolaz: You might try the program devilspie
[23:42] <Daekdroom> skp1, using compizconfig-settingsmanager
[23:42] <torchie> is there a way to make it so that my list of windows on the bottom bar isn't a series of [...] in Classic?
[23:42] <Debolaz> I'm using a netbook, and need the application window to be as large as possible. Its tedious to have to always maximize the window after the application starts.
[23:42] <Debolaz> I tried googling the problem, it seemed that it used to be possible to configure compiz to do it, but I can't find that option in ccsm
[23:44] <penguin42> Debolaz: You could try the 'window rules' section and put something in the Maximized box?
[23:45]  * BUGabundo slaps who ever made the migration scripts for ff 4.2
[23:47] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, is there any difference between 4.0 and 4.2 trunk already? :o
[23:47] <BUGabundo> well, it BROKE my profile
[23:47] <BUGabundo> that's enough *differences*
[23:58] <trism> Debolaz: the Place Windows plugin has the option "Placement Mode", select Maximize