[01:55] <MK`> hey, is there a way for me to edit usernames? (not display names)
[01:58] <holstein> check out http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/07/how-to-change-your-usernameuserid-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[01:58] <holstein> MK`: ^
[01:58] <MK`> thank you
[01:59] <holstein> MK`: i think you need to change the username while you are in another user account
[01:59] <MK`> yeah definitely
[02:00] <MK`> Is it wise to have /mnt on a separate partition?
[02:01] <holstein> i dont see why it would be particularly unwise
[02:02] <MK`> how big should it be?
[02:02] <holstein> im not sure about particulars
[02:02] <holstein> i usually just do the one big partition thing
[02:02] <holstein> occasionally a seperate /home
[03:47] <ApOgEE> greetings all
[04:19] <kevin6778450> greetings ApOgEE
[04:27] <zimio> what does a package maintainer do?
[04:28] <holstein> zimio: AFAIK
[04:28] <holstein> thats the person that would keep track of a package
[04:28] <zimio> afaik?
[04:29] <holstein> if it depends on something
[04:29] <holstein> and that something changes
[04:29] <holstein> and te package breaks
[04:29] <holstein> for example
[04:29] <holstein> afaik=as far as i know
[04:29] <zimio> ohh
[04:29] <zimio> ok, question
[04:29] <zimio> does that person would freeze the program
[04:29] <zimio> so that new features implemented in upstream
[04:30] <zimio> wouldn't be added
[04:30] <holstein> hmmm
[04:30] <holstein> i think that depends really
[04:30] <zimio> and then
[04:30] <zimio> when a bugfix comes up
[04:30] <zimio> he updates it
[04:30] <zimio> for every patch that fixes a bug
[04:30] <zimio> is that correct or no?
[04:31] <holstein> again, i think that really depends
[04:31] <holstein> and ive heard that its preffered in some cases to patch upstream
[04:31] <holstein> as far as possible
[04:31] <holstein> then, that will just trickle down
[04:31] <holstein> and everyone gets the fixes
[04:32] <zimio> yea, but what i said is taking the fixes from upstream
[04:32] <holstein> thats one way
[04:32] <zimio> but no the new features
[04:32] <holstein> i think it really depends thoough
[04:32]  * zimio confus
[04:32] <holstein> zimio: you should try and catch someone more in the know than me
[04:33] <holstein> a package maintainer
[04:33] <holstein> ive only attempted some backporting so far
[04:33] <holstein> for ubuntustudio
[04:33] <holstein> and thats different
[04:33] <zimio> I see
[04:34] <zimio> xD well thanks anyway
[04:35] <holstein> zimio: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[04:35] <zimio> I went there
[04:35] <zimio> it doesn't have what I am looking for
[04:36] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[04:36] <zimio> the packing guide really just tells you how to do it
[04:36] <holstein> maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Maintenance
[04:36] <holstein> from what ive seen
[04:36] <holstein> its really just who ever can get to it
[04:36] <holstein> does the fixing
[04:36] <holstein> things get stable
[04:37] <holstein> fires get put out
[04:37] <zimio> but how it gets stable...
[04:37] <holstein> and the squeaky wheel gets the grease -as the saying goes
[04:37] <holstein> zimio: i would say hard work, and luck
[04:37] <holstein> you can still find non-stable packages in the repos
[04:37] <zimio> but do they pull the most stable version from upstream
[04:38] <zimio> or take make their own stable version
[04:39] <holstein> i guess it depends on where the fixes are
[04:39] <holstein> and how inmportant it is
[04:39] <holstein> if its a package that is already patched up stream
[04:39] <holstein> but, maybe its something that only buntu needs
[04:39] <holstein> or something that buntu needs a customized verion of
[04:39] <holstein> for compatibility
[04:40] <holstein> there are a lot of packages that are different
[04:40] <holstein> repackaged
[04:40] <zimio> i see
[04:40] <zimio> xD lots of work
[04:41] <holstein> totally
[04:41] <holstein> the more envolved i get
[04:41] <holstein> the more im surprised anything ever gets done
[04:42] <holstein> and the non-paid volunteers that bust their asses for it
[04:42] <holstein> quite amazing
[04:42] <zimio> we live in interesting times
[04:50] <kevin6778450> i should have been a farmer :)
[04:50] <zimio> that's boring
[04:51] <zimio> unless you are a hacker farmer
[04:51] <zimio> in that case it is totally awesome
[04:56] <kevin6778450> of course it would be a hacker farmer
[10:45] <Dr0pB3ar> can anyone give me a hand with grub rescue?
[10:47] <coz_> Dr0pB3ar,  you probably want to go to the #grub channel but let me get a link for grub reinstallation hold on
[10:48] <coz_> Dr0pB3ar,  http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[10:48] <coz_> Dr0pB3ar,   just read throught that several times before jumping into it... it works ,, I have used it,,
[10:49] <Dr0pB3ar> righto... thanks heaps
[10:52] <coz_> Dr0pB3ar,  no problem..but again..read through it several times :)
[13:21] <kristian_> hi, I hope someone can help me here... how do I list the ip of the boxen on the network? Google won't cooperate...
[13:35] <duanedesign> helo kristian_
[13:36] <kristian_> hey duanedesign
[13:36] <duanedesign> kristian_: you want the ip of your machine
[13:36] <kristian_> nm, I found a soulution... but I had to stand up!
[13:36] <kristian_> ;)
[13:37] <duanedesign> :)
[14:04] <malvin> HELLO CAN any one help me, because i deleted buy accident the start up bar for ubuntu 10.04 and i dont know how to get it back
[14:04] <malvin> ..?
[14:06] <malvin> ...?
[14:07] <malvin> He
[14:07] <malvin> HeLp
[14:07] <geirha> !panels
[14:07] <geirha> Hm. No bot.
[14:07] <malvin> i think it is called like that
 To reset the GNOME panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[14:08] <malvin> now can i open a terminal from the keyboard..?
[14:08] <malvin> because im new to ubuntu
[14:08] <malvin> and linux
[14:08] <geirha> Alt + F2  ->   gnome-terminal
[14:11] <malvin> thx
[14:11] <malvin> it worked :-D
[14:52] <duanedesign> !terminal
[14:52] <duanedesign> hello geirha
[14:54] <duanedesign> geirha: /17
[14:54] <duanedesign> oops
[14:54] <duanedesign> :P
[14:54] <geirha> Stop dividing me!
[14:54] <geirha> And hi :)
[14:54] <duanedesign> i do that at least once a day
[14:54] <duanedesign>  /2 is my alias for window 2 in irssi
[14:57] <duanedesign> ugh. I am stuck on kernel 2.6.37-11 anything newer then that and my wifi does not work :\
[14:58] <MrChrisDruif> That's not cool duanedesign
[15:00] <xardas008> that's bad duanedesign
[15:04] <geirha> I'd check the changelog for the first kernel that doesn't work; look for any changes related to your wifi-driver.
[15:05] <geirha> Should at least speed up the bug-fix if you can pinpoint it.
[15:06] <tarunno> hello all
[15:06] <tarunno> got a problem connecting internet
[15:07] <tarunno> through PPPoE coonection
[15:07] <tarunno> some PPPoE connection requires service name when dialing
[15:08] <tarunno> default Network Manager can't handle this
[15:08] <tarunno> anyone have any idea how to resolve this problem?
[15:14] <duanedesign> geirha: good idea. I was just looking through the kernel bug tracker and did not see anything right away that looked like it
[15:14] <coz_> tarunno,  I didnt see what it could no handle... can you post aagain?
[15:15] <tarunno> PPPoE connection with Service Name
[15:16] <coz_> tarunno,  ok  I am real bad with networking of any kind... you can also try the ##linux channel... although today they were a bit "out of hand"  but still they do have some real knowledgeable guys there
[15:18] <tarunno> coz_, thanks for the lead
[15:18] <tarunno> :)
[15:19] <coz_> tarunno, no problem... I often send people there if no one has an answer
[18:20] <MK`> hey guys how big should I make my /tmp partition?
[18:20] <MK`> Maybe the size of the largest disk I plan to write?
[18:20] <Abhijit> MK`, 30gb
[18:24] <MK`> how about /var and /user?
[18:24] <MK`>  /usr*
[18:25] <bioterror> whaat?
[18:25] <bioterror> put 10 to 25GB for / and rest for /home
[18:25] <bioterror> depends what you're going to install and use
[18:26] <MK`> assume it's a machine where I will be burning blu-ray disks
[18:27] <xardas008> then it should be bigger than 30 gb i think
[18:27] <xardas008> blu-ray can be quite big
[18:31] <MK`> how about /var?
[18:31] <bioterror> put everything on /
[18:31] <bioterror> if you dont know
[18:31] <bioterror> swap and /
[18:31] <MK`> yeah I know that :P
[18:31] <MK`> On this install I have / and swap
[18:31] <MK`> plan on moving /home to a separate partition later
[18:32] <GOMI> does someone know how to fix a login problem ???
[18:32] <GOMI> it kickes me out every time am busy and needs to re-login again
[18:38] <GOMI> does someone know how to fix a login problem ???
 it kickes me out every time am busy and needs to re-login again
[18:38] <MK`> what do you mean kicks you out?
[18:38] <MK`> when you go afk?
[18:38] <GOMI> afk ?
[18:38] <GOMI> it takes me back to login screen
[18:38] <MK`> I mean, does this happen after a few minutes of not touching the computer?
[18:39] <MK`> Or does it do this while you are working on something?
[18:40] <GOMI> its differnt sometimes very quickly and alot if i get on internet then its matter of couple of seconds
[18:40] <MK`> I would check System > Preferences > Power Management
[18:40] <MK`> make sure none of the settings are wrong
[18:40] <GOMI> i disable that
[18:40] <GOMI> read about it
[18:40] <MK`> does it lock the screen or suspend?
[18:41] <MK`> I'd also check your screensaver
[18:41] <GOMI> screensaver i uninstalled that one to
[18:41] <MK`> make sure it's not enabling a blank one
[18:41] <GOMI> suspend button is pressed: suspend   (on power managment)
[18:42] <GOMI> i mean i removed it with synaptic -__-!)
[18:42] <MK`> ahh
[18:42] <GOMI> i dont have screensaver anymore
[18:42] <MK`> I don't know :( I am still a beginner myself
[18:43] <GOMI> :p oke thanks anyway
[19:01] <MK`> If I put /mnt on a separate partition, how big does it need to be?... does it need any size at all?
[20:49] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[20:50] <kristian-aalborg> I have an installation where wireless keeps turning itself off... driving me nuts
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> it's 10.4 netinst. with pcmcia... I tried different cards, same things happened
[20:51] <bdfhjk> kristian-aalborg: hi!
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> I also tried the cards in another box, same thing...
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> should I dist-uprgrade perhaps?!
[20:52] <kristian-aalborg> *upgrade
[20:53] <bdfhjk> When exactly wireless turn off?
[20:55] <kristian-aalborg> after something like ten minuts
[20:55] <kristian-aalborg> minutes
[20:56] <bdfhjk> after instalation or under instalation
[21:02] <kristian-aalborg> after installation.... been trying to fix it for a week
[21:03] <bdfhjk> Do You know MTU?
[21:16] <kristian-aalborg> no
[21:16] <kristian-aalborg> ?
[21:18] <bdfhjk> if you have strange net problems
[21:18] <bdfhjk> sometimes it can be caused by bad MTU setting
[21:19] <bdfhjk> You can find in google more info about setting it and checking it
[21:22] <kevin6888296> what chipset kristian-aalborg ?
[21:22] <kevin6888296> there was a user in here the other day with a realtek chipset, apparently it works in x64 and not x86
[21:23] <kevin6888296> or should i say 64bit and not 32bit
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> I tried two cards, both died after a while
[21:24] <kevin6888296> in 11.04 or 10.10?
[21:24] <kristian-aalborg> Atheros and B43 chipset... both were fine in another box
[21:24] <kristian-aalborg> 10.3
[21:24] <kristian-aalborg> do'h... 10.4
[21:30] <kevin6888296> i have an atheros chipset, which worked fine in 10.04 and 10.10
[21:31] <kevin6888296> 64bit or 32bit?
[21:31] <kevin6888296> if you processors are 64bit, i would switch to 64bit
[21:31] <kevin6888296> no way are developers going to focus on 64bit hardware with 32bit software
[21:31] <kevin6888296> at least, i know i wouldn't
[21:39] <Nevada_> good evening
[21:39] <bdfhjk> Nevada_: Good Evening
[21:40] <Nevada_> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 on my netbook and finally got it to work. But I'm still experiencing abnormalities. For example, the buttons on the top right will react and behave fine at first (they properly dropdown) but only once. Now they get something like a tab background and don't do anything anymore.
[21:41] <Nevada_> After reboot the problem will occur the same way again. Does somebody have an idea about this?
[21:46] <kristian-aalborg> kevin6888296: I just found some things in repos with "atheros" in them... I dl'd and will see what happens
[21:50] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: yo
[21:50] <kevin6888296> kristian-aalborg: okay
[21:51] <kristian-aalborg> in 15 minutes I'll know if it's changed something... it just makes me nervous that the same thing happened with an altogether different chipset
[21:51] <kevin6888296> Nevada_: no idea here.  is it still "netbook remix"?  i haven't used that since 9.10, and that was in a VM
[21:51] <kristian-aalborg> a buddy of mine wants to set up his old stationary as a server to be accessed from anywhere, stream music etc
[21:52] <Nevada_> yes, it is Netbook Remix 10.10
[21:52] <Nevada_> it also has already none some 300mb updates
[21:58] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: :/
[21:58] <holstein> hey
[21:59] <holstein> im busy today
[21:59] <holstein> just checking in
[21:59] <kristian-aalborg> busy is good, to a degree :)
[21:59] <holstein> got a concert and a gig today
[21:59] <holstein> yeah its great
[21:59] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: an ssh server would do a lot
[21:59]  * kristian-aalborg  has ticket for PiL in a month
[21:59] <kristian-aalborg> can you ssh via the internets?
[22:00] <holstein> and i think an ssh server is a good foundation for other things
[22:00] <kristian-aalborg> stream music on your android thingy?
[22:00] <holstein> ah, gotta run... BBL
[22:00] <kristian-aalborg> see ya
[22:05] <kristian-aalborg> wow, internet has not died on problematic box for... 15 mins?
[22:15] <kristian-aalborg> ah, it died again :(.... interestingly, just after I opened a program that uses the wifi
[22:55] <kristian-aalborg> got a kernel from backports
[22:59] <Nevada_> ok, apparently if I wait for approximately half an hour, the buttons will be fine again
[23:09] <kristian-aalborg> Nevada_: night of the weird ubuntu problems ;)
[23:10] <kristian-aalborg> my guess would be that there's some process running for half an hour that keeps them from working... have you checked dmesg?
[23:10] <Nevada_> yay ^^
[23:10] <MrChrisDruif> Weird Ubuntu problems?
[23:11] <Nevada_> checked dmesg? I have to google that first
[23:11] <Nevada_> I'm totally new to Ubuntu
[23:14] <Nevada_> uff. maybe you can explain to me how and why I should check dmesg?
[23:15] <Nevada_> MrChrisDruif: For a short time my buttons on the top right stopped working, now they work again
[23:15] <Nevada_> that's a weird problem
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> Buttons on the right? :-/ Which program? Or which version of Ubuntu?
[23:16] <Nevada_> 10.10 version of ubuntu netbook remix
[23:17] <Nevada_> those... battery, mute/unmute, clock and power buttons with dropdown menus
[23:19] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, the indicators
[23:24] <Nevada_> it's not really great if you install Ubuntu the first time, boot the first time after installation and run into such strange behaviours
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, I agree Nevada_ :)
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> Nevada_: But you said something about waiting a half hour? What exactly not working? The entire indicators? Or the menus below them? Sometimes the menus don't appear with me, but when I move the mouse a tiny bit down they suddenly appear
[23:34] <Nevada_> when I first click them, they will work properly - only once. Afterwards when I click them, they'll get the tab background, but the dropdown won't show up. It's working now, though, even without reboot.
[23:34] <Nevada_> I'm happy if this problem turns out to be no problem at all ^^
[23:34] <MrChrisDruif> That would be great, but they don't appear when you move your mouse a bit?
[23:36] <Nevada_> I don't know that. But they work fine now. I'll reboot now nonetheless and see if they'll still mock me
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, good luck Nevada_ :)
[23:39] <Nevada_> unfortunately, the same as before: they work once, then they won't react
[23:40] <Nevada_> I tried to adjust screen brightness with fn-Keys, that didn't do anything, but now I've got the screen brightness bar at the top right of the screen, it's flickering
[23:41] <Nevada_> and I can't do anything with it. Programs still work
[23:42] <Nevada_> what's with dmesg kristian-aalborg suggested?
[23:43] <kristian-aalborg> it logs errors
[23:46] <Nevada_> sweet. keyboard decides for itself if it wants to work, too
[23:47] <Nevada_> Maybe I should just reinstall :/
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> Did you do an upgrade to 10.10 UNE? (UNE=Ubuntu Netbook Edition)
[23:49] <Nevada_> I downloaded and installed 10.10
[23:49] <Nevada_> no upgrade
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, weird problem
[23:55] <Nevada_> hum.
[23:57] <Nevada_> I'm booting from USB stick again, so can I just put a new, clean installation over the existing one?