[00:54] <ryoohki> is there a private cloud? something like eucalyptus@home or open-cloud or some such?????
[00:56] <flaccid> ryoohki: thats what uec is
[00:57] <ryoohki> flaccid: is there one not associated with ubuntu?  a truely open cloud?
[00:57] <gholms> UEC is not a hosted service; you run it on your own machine.
[00:57] <flaccid> ryoohki: there are many. eucalyptus, cloudstack, openstack etc. google will show you
[00:58] <flaccid> yes eucalyptus is a private cloud software
[00:59] <ryoohki> flaccid: would you recomend an open public cloud for learners?
[00:59] <flaccid> ryoohki: i don't think there would technically be a full 'open' public cloud. ec2 is great for public cloud
[01:00] <ryoohki> i guess eucalyptus would be a good choice if it's open and free to use since the software has market share
[01:00] <flaccid> eucalyptus is private cloud software, not a public cloud. hardware is irrelevent.
[01:00] <flaccid> CloudStack is a lot better than euca (which is buggy as)
[01:00] <ryoohki> flaccid: how much is eucalyptus?
[01:01] <flaccid> err have you even gone to the website?
[01:01] <flaccid> the OSS edition is free.
[01:01] <ryoohki> flaccid: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:01] <ryoohki> flaccid: http://cssoss.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eucabookv2-0.pdf
[01:03] <ryoohki> flaccid: "OSS"? open source software?
[01:03] <flaccid> ryoohki: as you can see http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eucalyptus it is first result and second result
[01:03] <flaccid> yes
[01:03] <ryoohki> flaccid: i know "let me google that for you"
[01:03] <gholms> See also http://open.eucalyptus.com/
[01:04] <flaccid> congrats
[01:04] <ryoohki> flaccid: google doesn't have opinions, bias, and experience
[01:04] <flaccid> you didn't ask for that. you asked for the dang url.
[01:05] <ryoohki> flaccid: no, i'm try to stir up a convrsation about open clouds, something like rms would be up to like gnu-cloud or the eff would push
[01:06] <flaccid> this isn't the place really for that.
[01:06] <ryoohki> flaccid: i'm new to the public discourse in clouds
[01:06] <ryoohki> flaccid: probably but i prefer the opions of freenode people to things the internet turns up
[01:06] <erichammond> ryoohki: what is an "open cloud"?
[01:07] <flaccid> well i have given my opinion.
[01:07] <ryoohki> erichammond: i was thinking by now someone would have come up with "cloud@ home" or some such thing
[01:07] <ryoohki> flaccid: and i appreciate it
[01:07] <ryoohki> flaccid: thanks!
[01:07] <erichammond> ryoohki: no idea what you're talking about.
[01:08] <gholms> That's what UEC does.  You install it on your own machine and do whatever you want with it.
[01:08] <flaccid> ryoohki: no such thing as an 'open cloud'. CloudStack does a cloud on your desktop thing now
[01:09] <ryoohki> erichammond: ok, can you make it available to others? is there a dispacther?  kinda like bittorrent
[01:09] <gholms> AFAIK you can make your UEC cloud publicly-usable if you want.
[01:09] <flaccid> ryoohki: not really. you might like to give it a try so you can understand how it works
[01:10] <flaccid> well you can let anyone use it if you don't care about security
[01:10] <erichammond> ryoohki: ah, so by "@home" you are referencing projects like folding@home
[01:10] <gholms> You should really learn how this stuff works, though.  You're assuming an awful lot.
[01:11] <erichammond> Not sure I think that's got much to do with "open" and I certainly would trust running my code/data on random home machines less than running on Amazon managed hardware.
[01:28] <ryoohki> flaccid: yup - the @home part is mad eup
[01:29] <ryoohki> flaccid: it wouldn't surprise me someone started such a project for home computing enthusiasts
[01:29] <ryoohki> erichammond: depends on encrytion
[01:31] <erichammond> ryoohki: It's difficult to do anything useful with data without decrypting it. If it's running on a VM on your hardware, you have access to the decrypted data, as well as to the key if it's being decrypted on your hardware.
[01:33] <flaccid> there are many private cloud projects that you can install the software at home and have your own private cloud. thats what umm err UEC is.
[01:34] <erichammond> There are some special cases where you can perform operations on encrypted data without decrypting it first, but I suspect that's rare for now.
[08:08] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:05] <koolhead17> kim0,
[12:40] <spud_> hello i've an EC2 instance with EBS boot. I've DYNAMIC Ip... if I "reboot" the instance (i don't mean stop/start) does it change the ip? thanks
[13:08] <kim0> spud_: Hi, no it doesn't
[13:10] <spud_> ii think it happene d a very bad thing
[13:11] <spud_> i did a aptitute safe-upgrade
[13:11] <spud_> it suddenly stop at "Installing new version of config file /etc/java-6-sun/security/java.policy"
[13:11] <spud_> after waiting for minutes.. i did a EC2 reboot from the web console..
[13:12] <spud_> but now it seems i can't connect with ssh :(
[13:12] <spud_> i'm really lost
[13:12] <kim0> and why can't you!
[13:12] <kim0> even if the ip changed
[13:12] <spud_> the same is the same :(
[13:13] <spud_> looking the "system log" from the ec2 console it seems my instance is started correctly
[13:13] <kim0> and what public IP does it have
[13:13] <spud_> Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS www.mydomain.com tty1 www.mydomain.com login:
[13:14] <kim0> try refreshing the aws console info
[13:14] <kim0> try, telnet <public ip> 22
[13:14] <kim0> does that connect
[13:15] <spud_> ohhh
[13:15] <spud_> now it worked!!
[13:16] <kim0> cool :)
[14:23] <michael_> any documentation on how to secure a ubunut cloud?
[14:25] <michael_> *ubuntu