[00:20] <gholms|work> Daviey: You around?
[00:22] <Datz> what makes the server version distinct. Is it only the kernel?
[00:24] <Patrickdk> technically the only difference is the installer :)
[00:25] <ScottK> And a different kernel on amd64.
[00:25] <ScottK> Of course a very different default package selection.
[00:26] <gholms> Any rampartc maintainers around?  :)
[00:32] <Patrickdk> kernels and packages can all be changed after install though :)
[00:33] <Datz> ScottK: ah, ok thanks
[00:33] <Datz> and Patrickdk
[00:33] <Datz> I was just thinking if I built from minimal, would it be supported here :P
[00:38] <gholms> Ok, I'll just ask my question generically.  I'm working on a security issue and upstream doesn't appear have a way of securely reporting them.
[00:39] <gholms> If I file it in LP then I can't be sure that upstream will get the patch before a new package is released, but if I file it in upstream's tracker it immediately becomes public.
[00:39] <gholms> Is there a preferred way of handling this?
[00:48] <ryoohki> is there a seperate cloud channel for ubuntu?
[00:49] <ryoohki> for eucalyptus?
[00:49] <gholms> You mean like #ubuntu-cloud?
[00:53] <ryoohki> gholms: thanks!
[02:26] <^robertj> help i need 3 harry-potter themed server names in a hurry! database, web, and reporting!
[02:26] <^robertj> hagrid, buckbeak, luna, dumbledore, hermione, hedwig, fakes, and ron are already taken
[02:28] <anth_> hi all
[02:42] <patdk-lap> heh
[06:47] <gemclip> harry, snape,moody
[07:19] <phocho> hi
[07:19] <phocho> al
[07:19] <phocho> all
[07:20] <phocho> I am a new one.
[07:24] <samira-t> who can help me to run an embedded web server?
[12:43] <cyril_> Hello, I would like advice about memory required to install ubuntu server 10.04 + apache tomcat with mediawiki / phpBB3 / subversion. I want a test server for developing web apps in java. Is 2Gb of RAM enough for such a test server?
[12:44] <remix_tj> cyril_: i suggest you more ram
[12:45] <remix_tj> if you develop apps for tomcat
[12:45] <cyril_> remix_tj: thanks. 4Go then?
[12:45] <remix_tj> yes
[12:46] <remix_tj> because as far as i know tomcat is pretty heavy
[12:46] <cyril_> yes, it is possible
[12:46] <cyril_> but I also think it depends on the traffic.. For a test environement, there would be very few traffic...
[12:47] <cyril_> Do you know about any online resources where I could compare RAM usage figures for different scenarios of Ubuntu Server + Apache tomcat usage? I have hard time finding clear figures for now
[14:14] <jfb_h20> for 10.10 should I use pm-utils or laptop-power-manager
[16:23] <eichi> hello. I try to make some cronjobs für users in group users with crontab -e, but they did not work
[16:23] <eichi> 1 4 * * *            /home/dev/backupDb.sh      this does not work. but this has worked: 0 16 * * *            /home/dev/backupDb.sh
[16:23] <eichi> i dont understand why
[16:24] <eichi> its just another hour...wtf
[16:25] <padhu> eichi try with double digit
[16:25] <eichi> 04 ?
[16:26] <padhu> 01 04 * * *
[16:27] <eichi> padhu: thanks
[16:28] <padhu> yw
[16:28] <padhu> :-)
[17:10] <samira-t> who can help me to run an embedded web server?
[17:10] <ScottK> !ask | samira-t
[17:11] <samira-t> ScottK: i asked my question :), but for more information something like this http://www.gnu.org/software/libmicrohttpd/
[17:12] <ScottK> People are unlikely to volunteer to provide unspecified general assistance.  If you have specific questions, ask them.
[17:13] <ScottK> samira-t: libmicrohttpd is packaged in Ubuntu.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmicrohttpd
[17:16] <samira-t> ScottK: okey, thanks, but i'm confused in how to use it
[17:17] <ScottK> You install libmicrohttpd-dev and then it should be available like any library for build against.
[17:18] <ScottK> Specifics of how to develop libmicrohttpd based applications are probably best asked upstream.
[17:31] <samira-t> ScottK: thanks again, i'll try more
[19:32] <atari2600a> hey, I'm installing this server VM & I accidentally my workspace
[19:32] <atari2600a> or the bash equivelant
[19:32] <atari2600a> I don't know where the installer is or more importantly how to get there
[19:33] <atari2600a> obviously CTRL-ALT acts on the host instead of the VM
[19:33] <JanC> atari2600a: I think a word is missing there somewhere?
[19:33] <JanC> in your first sentence
[19:33] <atari2600a> I accidentally it D:
[19:33] <atari2600a> it's just gone
[19:33] <JanC> switched, closed, ... ?
[19:34] <atari2600a> switched :P
[19:34] <JanC> are you using byobu or screen?
[19:34] <atari2600a> bash, I would assume
[19:34] <atari2600a> it's the ubuntu server installer
[19:36] <JanC> and Alt+Fx doesn't work?
[19:38] <atari2600a> well look at that
[19:38] <atari2600a> I guess I'm too used to CTRL-Alt to switch workspaces
[19:38] <atari2600a> thanks
[19:38] <JanC> Ctrl+Alt is needed in X
[20:38] <eri82> hi there
[20:39] <eri82> i'm havin a problem with a gre tunnel
[20:39] <eri82> the tunnel is build over a ipsec connection
[20:39] <eri82> can ping each gre interface from the 2 servers
[20:40] <eri82> from server 1 can ping vpn interface
[20:40] <eri82> but from server 2 cannt ping vpn interface of server one from the gre tunnel
[20:41] <eri82> i see the traffic from tcpdump going and commin
[20:41] <eri82> but not comming on the ping program
[20:42] <eri82> ??
[20:42] <eri82> is there any way to find where the ping gets blocked
[20:44] <Gadu> why is java limited to using 2658MB on my server that has 8GB of RAM and over 6.5GB free?
[20:46] <Gadu> Ubuntu Server 10.04 32-bit
[20:50] <Dr_Jekyll> i'd say you gave the answer yourself - you're on a 32bit system
[20:50] <Dr_Jekyll> i'm no java expert though
[20:52] <Datz> I think ubuntu servers 32bit kernel is pae anyway
[20:53] <Dr_Jekyll> yes, but the java binary is 32bit, so it has certain boundaries on how much memory it can use
[20:53] <JanC> still limited address space per application
[20:53] <Datz> ah
[20:54] <JanC> it uses 32-bit pointers remember
[20:54] <Datz> ok :)
[20:55] <Gadu> so using a 64-bit Ubuntu Server is recommended to get more memory for the application
[20:55] <Gadu> or does each java application have a limit (like a memory limit per program)
[21:00] <Dr_Jekyll> both is correct - you need 64bit to access large memory in the first place, and there can be a memory limit per program on the java side of things. that's configurable, however.
[21:04] <Dr_Jekyll> does anyone here use likewise-open for windows domain integration? does it work well?
[21:07] <Gadu> Is Ubuntu Server 64-bit any less secure than 32-bit? (paranoia from the 64-bit root exploit)
[21:09] <Andre_Gondim> I've tried to install cacti with, apt-get install cacti, I already have lamp-server rrdtools snmpd snmp, but I don't have sucess with localhost/cacti, where may I see the error? in the log just say don't find /var/www/cacti
[21:10] <ScottK> More likely the other way around.  There are security features that are only enabled on amd64 and not i386.
[21:10] <ScottK> Gadu: ^^^
[21:11] <Gadu> so now that the exploid involving 32-bit calls on a 64-bit system has been discovered and fixed, 64-bit is more secure than 32-bit?
[21:12] <ScottK> That's my opinion.  It may be wrong, of course.
[21:12] <Gadu> I appreciate your opinion, thank you
[21:15] <Gadu> I don't suppose there is a program that can detect what packages have been installed or uninstalled on a system since its creation?
[21:15] <Gadu> would love to be able to quickly determine what changes I've made in that area for a reinstall should I switch to 64-bit
[21:34] <ScottK> Gadu: You can use dpkg --get-selections to get a list of what you've installed (the dpkg --set-selections to install on the new system)
[21:34] <ScottK> That will get your package list back to where it is.
[21:35] <ScottK> It won't track configuration, data, and other changes.
[21:35] <guntbert> !clone
[21:39] <ry> Dr_Jekyll, i have used likewise-open on a few machines, it seems to work pretty good -- i'm not sure what other options there are to begin with? likewise was the best/easiest i found at the time
[21:42] <ry> ubottu, that was on my vast list of things to figure out, thanks =)
[21:43] <ry> x_x
[21:43] <ry> guntbert, is ubottu's database "open" ? can it be viewed?
[21:43] <guntbert> !brain | ry
[21:44] <ry> awesome, thanks
[21:44] <guntbert> ry: you're welcome :-)
[21:45] <guntbert> ry: and I can really talk too - not give only bot commands :)
[21:46] <ry> lol yes i figured as much
[22:08] <koolhead17> hi all
[22:09] <guntbert> hi koolhead17 --  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[22:12] <koolhead17> guntbert, no.
[22:12] <guntbert> koolhead17: :)
[22:28] <shauno> any suggestions for a sensible jabber daemon to use for a small (4 users) site?
[23:08] <nimrod10> shauno, try ejabbered or openfire
[23:08] <nimrod10> shauno, try ejabberd or openfire
[23:10] <shauno> nimrod10: thanks
[23:24] <nimrod10> shauno, np