[00:10] \o [00:12] evening haz [00:12] Anyone see "Campus"? [00:36] laters all o/ [01:24] uh... so steam guard is equivalent to clicking "i forgot my password please send me a new one by email" every time i log in? [01:29] ali1234: pretty much, cutting edge right!? [01:30] I giggled the first time I saw it too [01:31] although in a sense its sorta like an authenticator... if you take away the fact that you don't have to put the code in, nor do you have a generator [01:32] why don't they just implement openid? [01:33] SSO like openid works the same way as clicking "i forgot my password" (website sends you an auth token) - except it's all easy to use, and you don't have to wait for an email [01:34] eh no? [01:34] steam guard as far as i can tell is basically just linking steam accounts to computers [01:34] not according to the faq [01:35] well, kind of [01:35] nope. checked. its a way of locking accounts to computers [01:35] they send you an auth token by email but you only need it on an unrecognized computer, not every time you login [01:35] i don't like it myself, just another thing for me to screw up [01:36] wait... "Exit Steam, restart your computer, and log back into your account. This will generate a new verification email." [01:37] maybe that's only true on unrecognized computers [01:38] yeah [01:40] I think it basically does like what StyleXP did, when you open it up on a new machine and login, it generates a key from the hardware ID of something on your computer [01:40] once you auth it, you basically say that you want that computer to be allowed to login as you [01:41] if someone else tries to login from somewhere else, you get an email, but they can't use it until you accept generated key [01:41] however StyleXP did this... [01:41] sigh, i'm in windows tonight. i keep trying to get to my launcher by throwing my mouse to the top left [01:41] windows is a pain :( [01:42] ...and a keygen was created for that :/ [01:42] and so history might repeat itself [01:42] HazRPG, this is differrent, built into the cpu [01:42] intel tech that was basically made for anti-piracy [01:43] gord: I'm pretty sure StyleXP said the same thing... [01:43] unless someone knows your id and can get their cpu (maybe in a virtual machine) to report the same id, iyou are fine [01:43] HazRPG, no, this is very very different [01:44] hmm [01:59] not just anti-piracy... it's quite important for ecommerce too... [02:00] anyway steam guard doesn't use the intel stuff yet, as noted already [02:17] spoooooooooooooooooonguaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard [02:19] * MattJ looks at directhex and realises it's late [02:19] I just sent my first pull request on github \o/ [02:19] As long as you didn't send it to me [02:19] I've already got a backlog [02:20] haha [02:20] feature for yaaic :D [02:21] iPhone support? :) [02:21] hell no :D [02:21] connect on startup. === zeroelixis is now known as neonninja [08:25] hi all [08:25] I don't suppose anyone has tried using 'sympa' mailing list manager on ubuntu? [08:26] the package in lucid seems broken somehow - when you install it, it starts it running but it crashes straight away with some sort of permissions issue [08:26] can't seem to find much info of other people using it on ubuntu or debian tbh [08:35] hmm, it looks like the config file is pointing at /usr/lib/sympa/... instead of /var/lib/sympa/... [08:39] sounds like a packaging bug, please file it [08:39] ubuntu-bug package_name_here [08:39] that said, most people use mailman :) [09:24] morning all [09:24] aloha [09:25] and what fun things are people up to this weekend? [09:26] going to a bbq late on [09:26] hoping the sun stays out [09:26] shouting at an old HP Evo [09:28] ("Compiz, Y U blacklist i830 graphics?") [09:28] there isa surrey lug meet up in redhat today also [09:29] in farnborough from 11-5 if folks want to drop in [09:29] interesting, there is an outside chance I could make that one for an hour or so [09:36] good morning everyone. [09:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/755311 [09:37] Ubuntu bug 755311 in Gwibber "cant add twitter account - sticks on verifying" [Undecided,New] [09:37] found another bug [09:44] Morning all [09:45] morning DJones [09:49] morning all [09:49] morning shauno [10:07] morning [10:07] morning daubers [10:12] * daubers potters into reading to pick up some warhammer figures === chalced is now known as chalcedony [10:58] this is just getting more and more confusing. natty doesn't seem to boot in vmware with raw disk mode either ;/ [11:08] anyone running banshee 2.0? [11:08] \o [11:08] MartijnVdS: on lucid? [11:08] no, on natty [11:09] lucid seems to be missing from the repo :( [11:09] maybe its mono is too old? [11:09] karmic is there, seems to be an oversight [11:09] #banshee are sleeping [11:10] MartijnVdS: do you have files other than music/podcasts/audiobooks? [11:10] Music only [11:10] such as Seminars [11:11] and a few videos [11:11] it's slow enough as it is :P [11:12] I believe I have found an issue in an ubuntu package (sympa on lucid), and now I'm thinking I should test debian packages to see if the issue also exists there... which debian tree is the best to test against? stable? testing? unstable? [11:12] marsilainen: try unstable.. if it's fixed there, ubuntu can borrow the fix [11:12] ok, cool, thanks [11:12] i have lots of non music files in my library, but no where to put them [11:12] marsilainen: if it's not fixed there, Debian might want to fix it as well [11:12] oimon: What kind? [11:13] Conferences/Seminars/Sermons etc [11:13] oimon: not-quite-audiobooks? [11:13] that's my point, i think audiobooks should be editable [11:13] people are just as likely to have audio files from conferences [11:16] I just play those in totem tbh [11:16] It's not something you listen to hundreds of times [11:17] if i'm working my way through 40 seminars, i need to keep them on a playlist and record the "played" count.. amarok used to do this well [11:17] I just have a playlist that matches anything that has the genre set to 'spoken word'. works well enough for me [11:18] shauno: ooh, good idea [11:18] shauno: can you exclude them from the music library? [11:18] oimon: sort of (I should point out this isn't banshee, but just food for thought) [11:18] oimon: if you put them in the audiobooks part they're not in the music bit [11:19] MartijnVdS: i need to phyiscally separate them though, right? Audiobooks folder not in mp3 folder [11:19] oimon: I think you can just drag things from one to the other in banshee and it magically works [11:19] oimon: you can set the "audiobooks" folder in the preferences [11:20] I don't really see the problem with just letting it call them audiobooks :/ [11:22] if it's not tracking which have been played before, that'd be a pretty sensible thing to bring up as a feature request, it'd also be equally applicable to audiobooks [11:23] i think it's a bug..audiobooks remains empty even after importing media [11:23] oimon: no, you have to name them properly [11:23] oimon: in the preferences, you see how it expects them [11:24] oimon: put them in ~/Audiobooks/Author Von Lastname - Title of Book/Chapter 1.mp3 [11:24] and "Chapter 2.mp3" [11:24] etc. [11:24] (you can use the names of the chapters if you like) [11:24] but they aren't books :( [11:24] Pretend that they are :) [11:24] * oimon tries [11:24] weird alert tone i have choosen for k9-mail, it sounds like a drop of water hitting a surface of water. [11:25] "Name von Conference - Seminars/Seminar A.mp3" [11:25] etc. [11:28] still fail [11:28] oimon: how? [11:28] they don't show up? [11:28] Joe Bloggs - Seminar/test.mp3 [11:29] yep - nothing there [11:29] * oimon checks bugzilla [11:29] try "Reload collection" in the menu [11:29] oimon: make sure it's in the ~/Audiobooks directory (check in the preferences if that's where it expects audio books) [11:29] yep done that [11:30] It'll also give you an example filename in that dialog [11:30] i've read a 1 yr old web page that says you need to drag them in [11:30] (some Harry Potter chaper 8-)) [11:30] MartijnVdS: are yours working? [11:30] i'm on 1.9.4 [11:30] the one I have works [11:30] since 1.9.4? [11:31] 2.0.0 [11:32] i dragged one in and it works [11:32] i think it's 1.9.4 fail [11:32] i'll wait for them to fix the 2.0 builds for lucid [11:32] thanks for the assistance [11:34] I'm installing sarge because natty doesn't boot on my hardware. how backwards is that :/ [11:34] sarge? [11:35] ahh it's not sarge .. whatever stable is now [11:35] squeese [11:36] can't believe they've managed 3 releases while I wasn't watching. last time I used debian, releases were glacial [11:37] sarge-lenny-squeeze, which am i missing [11:37] etch [11:37] ah [11:42] laptops and dressing gowns dont mix well...sounds like the fan is about to come off it's spindle [11:44] hmm? [11:45] good morning HazRPG :) [11:46] brobostigon: sup dude [11:46] HazRPG: nought much, justwatcing click, and you? [11:46] just woke up ^^ [11:46] * brobostigon gets HazRPG a mug of coffee. [11:47] brobostigon: \o/ [11:47] HazRPG: :) [11:47] * daubers orders an OS map [11:49] daubers: OS map? [11:49] apparently I missed my ubuntu delivery :( [11:50] HazRPG: :( [11:50] HazRPG: ordnance survey. [11:50] although apparently they shut at 2pm on a Saturday... but I can't go until 1:15pm apparently (wait 4hrs it says on the bottom) [11:50] HazRPG: Yup, one of those oldey fashiondey paper maps [11:51] brobostigon: ordnance survey? [11:51] HazRPG: daubers type of maphe orderd. [11:51] ah [11:51] http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ [11:51] like google maps, but more battery-efficient [11:52] "killing the rain forest!" [11:52] lol [11:53] heh, I wonder if there's a map for the kindle xD [11:54] HazRPG: I'd love to know how much rainforest is destroyed in the search for things like tungsten and indium [11:55] Was it bigcalm that ordered the N3DS? I've noticed he hasn't said much since that released :P [11:55] are there any games for it? [11:57] oimon: Rayman 3D? [11:58] Street Fighter 4: 3D Edition [11:58] not sure if ur trolling me or not :P [11:58] gah, that didn't work either. installs, but doesn't boot [11:58] lol [11:59] oimon: I just opened game.co.uk and quoted what I saw for 3DS on the home page :P [12:00] heh that's bad, I would have thought a mario game would have come out on release of the thing [12:00] seems not [12:01] nintendo rarely release new mario/zelda games with their consoles [12:01] takes too long to make them [12:02] gord: Super Mario 64 came out on release :P [12:02] rarely but not never :) [12:03] you'd think they would though, since the company that's going to know about their new console releases before the 3rd parties is obviously going to be nintendo [12:03] I know Sega pretty much did [12:03] always had a sonic game during release [12:04] any ideas what'd stop ubuntu even getting off the boot menu? [12:04] * HazRPG considers picking up his dreamcast controller over there <== [12:04] like i said, takes too long to make them, you can only start working on console games once you have it basically finished, so you have a choice, delay the console until your games are ready, or release early and start making money sooner [12:06] I guess [12:07] someone go pick my ubuntu hoody + tee for me :P [12:07] they should of maybe waited a few months for their main lineup to be ready, but i guess they don't want to be competing directly at launch with ngp [12:07] if I boot from CD, pick install from the menu, the resolution changes but it doesn't leave the menu. it just stops accepting keyboard interaction, and just sits there :/ [12:07] ah, wearing my 0 ubuntu shirt today, must be laundry day [12:08] shauno: weird [12:08] shauno: this on your laptop? [12:09] shauno: how much have you got to nit-pick in your bios? [12:09] sort of. this is using vmware using raw disk access [12:09] there is no bios [12:09] shauno: could just need something turned off there [12:09] shauno: ...what? How? [12:10] debian boots in the same configuration. ubuntu just hangs on the menu :/ [12:10] shauno: how bout booting into the live environment and run the install that way? [12:11] shauno: could just be a but in the "installer" [12:11] same problem. it doesn't leave the menu [12:11] shauno: *waves a mint iso at you* [12:13] guess I should burn another daily & go back to trying to beg them to see my cdrom, since I can't seem to install via vmware anymore :( [12:14] can't you just stick the a loopback in your mac bootloader to the iso and boot it up that way? [12:15] heh, I'm not writing efi drivers for this :) [12:16] heh [12:17] well I'm going to see what the fuss is with a Mint Debian 10 [12:20] heh, well apparently I goofed [12:20] apparently I downloaded linux mint 10 gnome [12:20] so the standard one... [12:20] blah [12:20] * HazRPG runs off to grab the debian version [12:21] I'll test the actual Debian distro, see what that's like in the mean time [12:21] never actually used Debian raw... this could be fun :) [12:24] well, here goes [12:29] cool well I broke LMG10 [12:30] rofl [12:33] shauno: still can't believe your having issues with this in a VM [12:34] I thought the problems were trying to install it locally [12:37] ooo hang on a second [12:37] Arabic isn't on the list of things you can install any more! [12:37] ???? [12:37] I can't go around to my family that are in Egypt saying ubuntu is amazing and fantastic if its not going to support the language! [12:38] you mean you can't set the locale? [12:38] that seems like something thats broken [12:38] on the liveCD you the option for booting it up in arabic isn't there, nor is it there for install [12:39] HazRPG, check with -devel? [12:39] yeah thats a bug then [12:39] or maybe its moved? [12:39] hmm, it has [12:39] its no longer at the top [12:39] and its actually written in arabic [12:39] that'll be why I missed it [12:39] haha [12:39] HazRPG, isn't that better? [12:39] :P [12:39] directhex: yeah it is :P [12:40] my brains not attuned to reading arabic [12:40] helo guys [12:40] hi HazPRG [12:40] how are you ? [12:40] phonex01: hey dude, I'm alright how's you? [12:40] argh, dealing with arabic in an LTR system is so weird [12:40] im fine alhmddleah [12:40] it's still 'arabic' on mine, but in second place because 'amharic' has knocked it off the top-spot (alphabetically) [12:40] phonex01: just testing out natty in a liveCD [12:40] e.g. if i paste أبجدية on its own, my tex box becomes right-to-left [12:40] oh yah [12:41] أبجديةnow i'm hella confused [12:41] o_O [12:41] lol [12:41] hi direchex what is your problem ? [12:41] directhex: he's not use to RTL [12:42] he is trying to change RTL ? [12:42] also, I don't know what "abgadi" means [12:42] RTL > LTR ? [12:42] abgadi means the basic arabic letters [12:42] HazRPG, a failed attempt to copy-paste from wikipedia. the copy-paste direction also changes over arabic text :( [12:42] phonex01: ah [12:42] hi directhex [12:42] my poor brain [12:43] are you using Firefox ? [12:43] directhex: yeah it does, gotta remember the whole arabic OS is flipped to the other side [12:43] HazRPG, my brain isn't cut out for this. i'm going back to bed [12:43] directhex: lol [12:43] directhex you are arabic ? [12:44] phonex01, nope, so i really don't care about it. i was just playing about [12:44] phonex01, you missed the context from before you joined [12:44] you was playing ! thats good [12:44] i missed the context ? [12:45] ok you tell me what is the context ? [12:45] ok HazRPG im trying to connect my laptop into a huge LCD using S-Video [12:46] connections is right and ubuntu can see that monitor [12:46] but on the monitor "No signal" [12:46] do you have any idea about that ? [12:46] phonex01: yeah he means the context of the conversation, I was saying I was testing natty and noticed arabic isn't on the top of the menu anymore [12:47] i understand that [12:47] hmm, have you check the settings its trying to produce for that screen? Hz, resolution, etc [12:47] checked* [12:47] ya ya i did [12:48] hmm [12:48] hi i hate this hmmmmmmmm [12:48] hahahah [12:48] installed copy of ubuntu, or liveCD? [12:48] copy [12:48] ubuntu 10.10 [12:49] nvidia? [12:49] ATI? [12:49] Intel? [12:49] ATI [12:49] drivers are fully installed [12:49] using the proprietary drivers, or the open-sourced ones? [12:50] i downloaded it from ATI website [12:50] so its not the open-source [12:50] that might be the issue... [12:50] why ? [12:50] the ones on the download section of ATI might not have been tested with ubuntu [12:50] but everything is working good [12:51] even im using blender [12:51] is there some easy way of taming CPU fan speed? [12:51] if you go, System -> Admin -> Additional Drivers, you'll see the drivers that have been tested with ubuntu [12:51] i can see it right now [12:51] ok i will install it [12:52] but if it does not work i will kill you hahhaha [12:52] haha, no it'll work [12:52] I'm not sure if it'll work for S-Video, but the main screen will at least work... and should hopefully narrow the problem down [12:52] ok it is downloading [12:53] hi nucc1 [12:54] your fan have noisy sound ? [12:54] nucc1: What's the problem exactly? [12:55] he is not here anymore [12:56] HazRPG, it's constantly running at full blast, unless i reduce my CPU's frequency to 33% [12:57] nucc1: are you over clocking ? [12:57] HazRPG, nope. [12:57] it's a standard HP laptop, running ubuntu 10.10, and no other modifications. [12:58] is it HP Pavillon DV6 ? [12:58] no, HP Compaq 6710b [12:59] nucc1: not sure on that one [13:00] has it always done that with ubuntu? [13:00] yea, it always does. [13:00] is it just ubuntu that does it? [13:00] yes, i don't recall windows vista doing it. [13:01] i think ubuntu's thresholds for fan speed are too high? [13:01] is there some tool i could use to reduce the speed? [13:02] i just reduced cpu frequency to 800mhz and the noise dropped down noticably [13:02] i think fan speed is normally controlled by the bios [13:02] based on how hot the cpu is [13:02] did you tried to check sensors settings ? [13:02] currently says 75 degrees. [13:02] /etc/sensors.conf ? [13:03] phonex01, erm, what needs to be done in that file? [13:04] gord in my bios, the only option related to the fan is "fan always on while on AC power" [13:04] you use ubuntu 10.10 ? [13:04] i disabled that. [13:04] phonex01, yes, 10.10 [13:04] then go to /etc/sensors3.conf [13:05] yes, i saw it, what do i need to do inside? [13:05] wait a min === tubadaz is now known as tubadaz_away === tubadaz_away is now known as tubadaz [13:07] nucc1: the BIOS says your CPU is 75॰C ?? [13:08] HazRPG, the sensors. [13:08] that doesn't sound healthy somehow [13:08] i'm using an applet in docky or is it awn? [13:08] that'll be why ubuntu is making the fans go on full speed [13:08] nucc1: how long has it been switched on? [13:08] also, what do you do with it? [13:09] HazRPG, yea, but i have no idea why it's running so hot. i have the cpu freq pegged at the lowest setting. [13:09] i just rebooted it. it typically stays on all the time [13:09] nucc1: right, I do the same usually on my HP laptop [13:09] i had that problem before with hp pavillion dv6 [13:09] also with ubuntu [13:09] phonex01: heh I've got a dv6 :P [13:10] i think i added something to sensors3.conf file [13:10] nucc1: open up system monitor (System -> Admin -> System Monitor) [13:10] but i dont really remeber it [13:10] HazRPG, temp1: 75 temp2: 62 temp3: 55 temp4: 40, temp 5: 80 [13:10] and have a look to see what your processors are doing [13:10] haz yea, processors are well below 50%. [13:10] i've got a system monitor applet visible. [13:10] you problem with the sensors conf [13:10] estimates about 16%. [13:11] nucc1: hmm, that system applet usually takes up a fair bit of resources to refresh it... I'd slow down the refresh rates for it [13:11] HazRPG, i set it to refresh in 5 second intervals. [13:12] nucc1: so you've put 5000ms in that box, that's weird [13:12] HazRPG, yes. [13:12] nucc1: what processor is it? [13:13] phonex01, my cpu is a core 2 duo, T7100 [13:13] 1.80ghz [13:13] HazRPG, ^^ [13:14] did you say that you reduced the frequency to 800MHz? [13:14] yes [13:14] it's been there since we were talking [13:14] seems that's the standard running rate, what was it before you reduced it? [13:15] speed reduced, but is still noticeably loud [13:15] and temperature is still 75% [13:15] 75 degrees [13:15] room temperature should be about 18 degrees [13:16] HazRPG, normally, it's "ondemand" [13:16] yeah, I'm trying to find what the regular operating temp. is for that processor [13:16] but that causes the fan to be on far loud, far too often [13:16] I know mine (i7) is meant to idle at 55॰C [13:17] ok, temps down to 60 degrees now. [13:17] nucc1: could be circulation that's causing it [13:17] HazRPG, like dust? [13:17] is it on a desk or something? [13:17] yea, it's on a desk [13:17] nucc1: that could be an issue too === tubadaz is now known as tubadaz_away [13:18] opening it up shouldn't be too much of an issue. [13:18] right ok found it [13:18] idle temp. is 30-50॰C [13:19] full utilisation is 60-70॰C [13:19] safe operating temperature is 100॰C and catastrophic is 125॰C [13:19] i reckon i get it up to 90 sometimes [13:19] so from what I can see unless its hitting over 100॰C its fine [13:20] however as for your fans, I'd just live with it... ubuntu's just trying to stop it from burning itself out, if it really bothers you try and see if you can find some silent operating fans for it [13:21]