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| pace_t_zulu | I've been having problems with my native IRC client... using the web client for now :/ | 00:07 |
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| cyberanger | man, he really didn't stay long | 00:32 |
| cyberanger | that does stink | 00:32 |
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| chris4585 | wrst, thats great, I'm waiting for fedora 15 to come out before I bother with gnome shell | 01:04 |
| chris4585 | but unity's changes still aren't finished | 01:04 |
| chris4585 | wrst, I'm trying gnome with no accelerated drivers and so far.. Its quite snappy | 01:26 |
| chris4585 | using quodlibet, xchat, chromium, skype all under 500mbs of ram, I'm a little surprised | 01:52 |
| vychune | wens346 | 02:14 |
| vychune | o/ | 02:15 |
| vychune | guess im late to the party lol | 02:16 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: ping | 03:13 |
| cyberanger | pong | 03:14 |
| pace_t_zulu | sorry i couldn't hang around longer earlier | 03:14 |
| cyberanger | happens, your client bit isn't helpful either | 03:14 |
| cyberanger | we all have time constraints | 03:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | yea, just got a new machine this week | 03:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | been transitioning my stuff over | 03:15 |
| cyberanger | no meeting happened last night, only wrst here afaik, birthday dinner for me, net had a family event too | 03:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | though i don't think that had anything to do with the connectivity issue | 03:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | yea, sorry i ddin't show last night | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | didn't hear from anyone else as to why | 03:16 |
| pace_t_zulu | i only realized it today | 03:16 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: you tried out unity yet? | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | and our agenda cannot wait till may, unfortunately, so I hope people can make it on the 14th | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: not in a good while, too buggy when I did to be fair to it | 03:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i'm not convinced it's ready for the big show | 03:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | but i suppose that's why they're doing it on a non-LTS release | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | same here, and 2 weeks to prepare | 03:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | 2 weeks is the kind of time needed for polish | 03:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | ..... there are features missing | 03:22 |
| cyberanger | turd polishing is something microsoft did to vista, oh boy | 03:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | i can see where things are going - and it looks good... but it's not there yet | 03:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | vista was garbage | 03:22 |
| cyberanger | they time this with what, a month after gnome | 03:23 |
| cyberanger | do they have a plan b | 03:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | no they are going forward with unity | 03:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | and dropping the netbook remix | 03:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | netbooks will run ubuntu desktop | 03:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | is what i think i read | 03:23 |
| cyberanger | but if this really is a turd, it'll be a few steps back, at a time they can barely hold on in some reguards | 03:24 |
| cyberanger | I mean, I hear more consider debian than ubuntu lately | 03:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | i just don't really enjoy running ubuntu as much | 03:25 |
| pace_t_zulu | to be perfectly honest | 03:25 |
| cyberanger | or a halfway option like myself (ubuntu source, cli install and up, same thing I can do in debian) | 03:25 |
| cyberanger | unfortunately I know the feeling, but am trying to wait and see | 03:26 |
| pace_t_zulu | seems like they reached a bit too far with unity | 03:29 |
| cyberanger | grabbed too much, too quick | 03:30 |
| cyberanger | can't carry it off the mountian in one trip | 03:31 |
| chris4585 | pace_t_zulu, I've been using unity for about 2 months and I've seen it mature, but I agree, it would be better to have a little more time to polish | 03:32 |
| chris4585 | I really like where 11.10 is going, Unity 2D will be default I heard, and if 3D acceleration is supported then Unity (compiz) will be used | 03:33 |
| pace_t_zulu | at that rate they can't possibly land wayland before the next LTS | 03:34 |
| chris4585 | I actually can't wait for fedora 15 to be out, I'm itching to get at gnome-shell | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: any chance that it's coded for wayland, hence some of the issues | 03:41 |
| chris4585 | I also can't wait for wayland.. I hope the performance really increases | 03:41 |
| cyberanger | idk how much of a game changer it will really be | 03:51 |
| cyberanger | due to my CLI usage perhaps | 03:52 |
| cyberanger | idk how much you can slim from xorg, when xorg is the standard for everyone | 03:52 |
| cyberanger | they gotta code for both at first, which I would expect would hurt them more than xorg | 03:53 |
| cyberanger | that kind of backwards compatability is one thing that hurts as things go on too | 03:53 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th? | 03:55 |
| cyberanger | poor timing | 03:55 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th? | 03:59 |
| wrst | hello cyberanger, pace_t_zulu | 04:00 |
| cyberanger | wrst: hey | 04:00 |
| wrst | cyberanger: activity on a friday night, cool | 04:01 |
| cyberanger | yeah, and dead last night, odd huh | 04:01 |
| wrst | ha yes, oh and chris4585 i'm using gnome-shell as we speak i think its pretty sweet | 04:02 |
| chris4585 | wrst, I had a feeling you would change your mind | 04:03 |
| chris4585 | I'm still waiting eagerly to try it out | 04:03 |
| wrst | yeah chris4585 the gnome 3 live cd's were just crappy | 04:03 |
| chris4585 | I'm gonna install fedora 15 on my desktop just to give it a shot | 04:03 |
| chris4585 | wrst, so you're trying it on natty? | 04:03 |
| cyberanger | wrst: have you seen our topic? | 04:04 |
| wrst | yes i see it cyberanger :) | 04:04 |
| wrst | chris4585: no using it on arch | 04:04 |
| cyberanger | wrst: can you handle that, work for you? | 04:04 |
| wrst | yeah afaik :) | 04:05 |
| chris4585 | wrst, :o now I'm just envious lol | 04:05 |
| * cyberanger wonders if he's not seeing all the settings for mailman, I used a different version, get the feeling a submenu is missing | 04:05 | |
| wrst | chris4585: i think at the moment gnome 3 > unity | 04:06 |
| chris4585 | wrst, ah really? thats kind of expected I guess, gnome 3 has been in development a lot longer | 04:07 |
| cyberanger | I think at the moment pacman < openbox < gnome 3 + unity | 04:07 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, gnome 3 + unity ? | 04:08 |
| wrst | yeah chris4585 i don't know now if i really understand why the departure from gnome | 04:08 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: what can I say, there is a minimalism to openbox that appeals to me | 04:10 |
| cyberanger | and my sysadmin background | 04:10 |
| chris4585 | oh adding the + confused me because gnome 3 and unity don't mix well | 04:11 |
| cyberanger | well, the reason for pacman was to add some humour | 04:12 |
| cyberanger | perhaps that muddied the waters further | 04:12 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i think pacman is in the neighborhood of apt oraptitude not hardly but much better than any non apt package manager that i have used | 04:15 |
| cyberanger | the joke was in the video game pacman | 04:15 |
| cyberanger | sorry | 04:15 |
| cyberanger | and yum has really gotten to be sweet | 04:16 |
| cyberanger | I like apt-get, thanks to #keryx and some pointers from excid3 I can use it on any system | 04:17 |
| cyberanger | since we're on the topic of package managers, I am compelled to say that, yum in centos 5.5 suprised me | 04:19 |
| wrst | cyberanger: what does opensuse use? | 04:25 |
| cyberanger | usually kde | 04:51 |
| cyberanger | and their package tool is YaST if I recall | 04:52 |
| wrst | ahh yes YaST german for slow as crap and barely works package manager | 04:53 |
| chris4585 | lol | 05:01 |
| chris4585 | apt seems a bit simple at slow but it works, I love pacman and the AUR though | 05:01 |
| wrst | chris4585: i prefer apt over pacman its commands are a little simpler and it feels more "complete" to me | 05:02 |
| cyberanger | apt seems pretty quick actually | 05:02 |
| cyberanger | when you factor in what's just downloads | 05:02 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, really? have you used pacman? it just feels like it sets up faster | 05:03 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, well thats what I mean, I was excluding the downloading | 05:03 |
| cyberanger | yes, I have | 05:03 |
| chris4585 | although I'm more familiar with apt and dpkg | 05:04 |
| cyberanger | that might play a role too, on my end too | 05:07 |
| chris4585 | but you can't deny the power behind pacman | 05:08 |
| chris4585 | also having the name of a 1980's game for a package manager is just awesome | 05:08 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: true | 05:39 |
| cyberanger | but apt-get is a little more powerful, the more you install at one time, the more apt-get shows some issues | 05:40 |
| cyberanger | but if you remove the download bit, on both, it seems pretty level | 05:41 |
| cyberanger | yet another quiet day, perhaps I'll manage to squeeze in a blog post too | 19:33 |
| wrst | cyberanger: how you doing? | 19:59 |
| cyberanger | wrst: awesome, GNU Mailman aside | 21:14 |
| cyberanger | daily digest is acting like a monthly digest | 21:14 |
| wrst | ha ha cyberanger | 21:14 |
| cyberanger | I suspect I'm not a full op or something | 21:15 |
| cyberanger | doesn't feel like I'm seeing the full picture | 21:19 |
| cyberanger | how about you? | 21:22 |
| cyberanger | wrst: ^^ | 21:45 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i never see the full picture of anything :) | 21:53 |
| cyberanger | wrst: that's good, leaves you room to paint the full picture ;-) | 22:03 |
| wrst | ha ha tell my wife that :) | 22:04 |
| cyberanger | lol | 22:15 |
| chris4585 | lol | 22:54 |
| cyberanger | wrst: I'll see what I can do | 23:19 |
| * cyberanger grabs the duct tape, places a peice over his mouth, knowing this is the best he can do | 23:20 | |
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