=== pace_t_zulu changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: #ubuntu-us-tn Next Meeting May 5th at 8:30 PM EDT/7:30 PM CDT | Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt | Ask about our Wiki Jams [00:07] I've been having problems with my native IRC client... using the web client for now :/ [00:32] man, he really didn't stay long [00:32] that does stink === cyberanger changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Next Meeting April 14th at 8:30 PM EDT/7:30 PM CDT | Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt | Ask about our Wiki Jams [01:04] wrst, thats great, I'm waiting for fedora 15 to come out before I bother with gnome shell [01:04] but unity's changes still aren't finished [01:26] wrst, I'm trying gnome with no accelerated drivers and so far.. Its quite snappy [01:52] using quodlibet, xchat, chromium, skype all under 500mbs of ram, I'm a little surprised [02:14] wens346 [02:15] o/ [02:16] guess im late to the party lol [03:13] cyberanger: ping [03:14] pong [03:14] sorry i couldn't hang around longer earlier [03:14] happens, your client bit isn't helpful either [03:15] we all have time constraints [03:15] yea, just got a new machine this week [03:15] been transitioning my stuff over [03:15] no meeting happened last night, only wrst here afaik, birthday dinner for me, net had a family event too [03:15] though i don't think that had anything to do with the connectivity issue [03:16] yea, sorry i ddin't show last night [03:16] didn't hear from anyone else as to why [03:16] i only realized it today [03:16] cyberanger: you tried out unity yet? [03:16] and our agenda cannot wait till may, unfortunately, so I hope people can make it on the 14th [03:17] pace_t_zulu: not in a good while, too buggy when I did to be fair to it [03:18] cyberanger: i'm not convinced it's ready for the big show [03:18] but i suppose that's why they're doing it on a non-LTS release [03:19] same here, and 2 weeks to prepare [03:21] 2 weeks is the kind of time needed for polish [03:22] ..... there are features missing [03:22] turd polishing is something microsoft did to vista, oh boy [03:22] i can see where things are going - and it looks good... but it's not there yet [03:22] vista was garbage [03:23] they time this with what, a month after gnome [03:23] do they have a plan b [03:23] no they are going forward with unity [03:23] and dropping the netbook remix [03:23] netbooks will run ubuntu desktop [03:23] is what i think i read [03:24] but if this really is a turd, it'll be a few steps back, at a time they can barely hold on in some reguards [03:24] I mean, I hear more consider debian than ubuntu lately [03:25] i just don't really enjoy running ubuntu as much [03:25] to be perfectly honest [03:25] or a halfway option like myself (ubuntu source, cli install and up, same thing I can do in debian) [03:26] unfortunately I know the feeling, but am trying to wait and see [03:29] seems like they reached a bit too far with unity [03:30] grabbed too much, too quick [03:31] can't carry it off the mountian in one trip [03:32] pace_t_zulu, I've been using unity for about 2 months and I've seen it mature, but I agree, it would be better to have a little more time to polish [03:33] I really like where 11.10 is going, Unity 2D will be default I heard, and if 3D acceleration is supported then Unity (compiz) will be used [03:34] at that rate they can't possibly land wayland before the next LTS [03:35] I actually can't wait for fedora 15 to be out, I'm itching to get at gnome-shell [03:41] pace_t_zulu: any chance that it's coded for wayland, hence some of the issues [03:41] I also can't wait for wayland.. I hope the performance really increases [03:51] idk how much of a game changer it will really be [03:52] due to my CLI usage perhaps [03:52] idk how much you can slim from xorg, when xorg is the standard for everyone [03:53] they gotta code for both at first, which I would expect would hurt them more than xorg [03:53] that kind of backwards compatability is one thing that hurts as things go on too [03:55] pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th? [03:55] poor timing [03:59] pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th? [04:00] hello cyberanger, pace_t_zulu [04:00] wrst: hey [04:01] cyberanger: activity on a friday night, cool [04:01] yeah, and dead last night, odd huh [04:02] ha yes, oh and chris4585 i'm using gnome-shell as we speak i think its pretty sweet [04:03] wrst, I had a feeling you would change your mind [04:03] I'm still waiting eagerly to try it out [04:03] yeah chris4585 the gnome 3 live cd's were just crappy [04:03] I'm gonna install fedora 15 on my desktop just to give it a shot [04:03] wrst, so you're trying it on natty? [04:04] wrst: have you seen our topic? [04:04] yes i see it cyberanger :) [04:04] chris4585: no using it on arch [04:04] wrst: can you handle that, work for you? [04:05] yeah afaik :) [04:05] wrst, :o now I'm just envious lol [04:05] * cyberanger wonders if he's not seeing all the settings for mailman, I used a different version, get the feeling a submenu is missing [04:06] chris4585: i think at the moment gnome 3 > unity [04:07] wrst, ah really? thats kind of expected I guess, gnome 3 has been in development a lot longer [04:07] I think at the moment pacman < openbox < gnome 3 + unity [04:08] cyberanger, gnome 3 + unity ? [04:08] yeah chris4585 i don't know now if i really understand why the departure from gnome [04:10] chris4585: what can I say, there is a minimalism to openbox that appeals to me [04:10] and my sysadmin background [04:11] oh adding the + confused me because gnome 3 and unity don't mix well [04:12] well, the reason for pacman was to add some humour [04:12] perhaps that muddied the waters further [04:15] cyberanger: i think pacman is in the neighborhood of apt oraptitude not hardly but much better than any non apt package manager that i have used [04:15] the joke was in the video game pacman [04:15] sorry [04:16] and yum has really gotten to be sweet [04:17] I like apt-get, thanks to #keryx and some pointers from excid3 I can use it on any system [04:19] since we're on the topic of package managers, I am compelled to say that, yum in centos 5.5 suprised me [04:25] cyberanger: what does opensuse use? [04:51] usually kde [04:52] and their package tool is YaST if I recall [04:53] ahh yes YaST german for slow as crap and barely works package manager [05:01] lol [05:01] apt seems a bit simple at slow but it works, I love pacman and the AUR though [05:02] chris4585: i prefer apt over pacman its commands are a little simpler and it feels more "complete" to me [05:02] apt seems pretty quick actually [05:02] when you factor in what's just downloads [05:03] cyberanger, really? have you used pacman? it just feels like it sets up faster [05:03] cyberanger, well thats what I mean, I was excluding the downloading [05:03] yes, I have [05:04] although I'm more familiar with apt and dpkg [05:07] that might play a role too, on my end too [05:08] but you can't deny the power behind pacman [05:08] also having the name of a 1980's game for a package manager is just awesome [05:39] chris4585: true [05:40] but apt-get is a little more powerful, the more you install at one time, the more apt-get shows some issues [05:41] but if you remove the download bit, on both, it seems pretty level [19:33] yet another quiet day, perhaps I'll manage to squeeze in a blog post too [19:59] cyberanger: how you doing? [21:14] wrst: awesome, GNU Mailman aside [21:14] daily digest is acting like a monthly digest [21:14] ha ha cyberanger [21:15] I suspect I'm not a full op or something [21:19] doesn't feel like I'm seeing the full picture [21:22] how about you? [21:45] wrst: ^^ [21:53] cyberanger: i never see the full picture of anything :) [22:03] wrst: that's good, leaves you room to paint the full picture ;-) [22:04] ha ha tell my wife that :) [22:15] lol [22:54] lol [23:19] wrst: I'll see what I can do [23:20] * cyberanger grabs the duct tape, places a peice over his mouth, knowing this is the best he can do