[00:07] <pace_t_zulu> I've been having problems with my native IRC client... using the web client for now :/
[00:32] <cyberanger> man, he really didn't stay long
[00:32] <cyberanger> that does stink
[01:04] <chris4585> wrst, thats great, I'm waiting for fedora 15 to come out before I bother with gnome shell
[01:04] <chris4585> but unity's changes still aren't finished
[01:26] <chris4585> wrst, I'm trying gnome with no accelerated drivers and so far.. Its quite snappy
[01:52] <chris4585> using quodlibet, xchat, chromium, skype all under 500mbs of ram, I'm a little surprised
[02:14] <vychune> wens346
[02:15] <vychune> o/
[02:16] <vychune> guess im late to the party lol
[03:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[03:14] <cyberanger> pong
[03:14] <pace_t_zulu> sorry i couldn't hang around longer earlier
[03:14] <cyberanger> happens, your client bit isn't helpful either
[03:15] <cyberanger> we all have time constraints
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> yea, just got a new machine this week
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> been transitioning my stuff over
[03:15] <cyberanger> no meeting happened last night, only wrst here afaik, birthday dinner for me, net had a family event too
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> though i don't think that had anything to do with the connectivity issue
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> yea, sorry i ddin't show last night
[03:16] <cyberanger> didn't hear from anyone else as to why
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> i only realized it today
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you tried out unity yet?
[03:16] <cyberanger> and our agenda cannot wait till may, unfortunately, so I hope people can make it on the 14th
[03:17] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: not in a good while, too buggy when I did to be fair to it
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm not convinced it's ready for the big show
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> but i suppose that's why they're doing it on a non-LTS release
[03:19] <cyberanger> same here, and 2 weeks to prepare
[03:21] <pace_t_zulu> 2 weeks is the kind of time needed for polish
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> ..... there are features missing
[03:22] <cyberanger> turd polishing is something microsoft did to vista, oh boy
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> i can see where things are going - and it looks good... but it's not there yet
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> vista was garbage
[03:23] <cyberanger> they time this with what, a month after gnome
[03:23] <cyberanger> do they have a plan b
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> no they are going forward with unity
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> and dropping the netbook remix
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> netbooks will run ubuntu desktop
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> is what i think i read
[03:24] <cyberanger> but if this really is a turd, it'll be a few steps back, at a time they can barely hold on in some reguards
[03:24] <cyberanger> I mean, I hear more consider debian than ubuntu lately
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> i just don't really enjoy running ubuntu as much
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> to be perfectly honest
[03:25] <cyberanger> or a halfway option like myself (ubuntu source, cli install and up, same thing I can do in debian)
[03:26] <cyberanger> unfortunately I know the feeling, but am trying to wait and see
[03:29] <pace_t_zulu> seems like they reached a bit too far with unity
[03:30] <cyberanger> grabbed too much, too quick
[03:31] <cyberanger> can't carry it off the mountian in one trip
[03:32] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I've been using unity for about 2 months and I've seen it mature, but I agree, it would be better to have a little more time to polish
[03:33] <chris4585> I really like where 11.10 is going, Unity 2D will be default I heard, and if 3D acceleration is supported then Unity (compiz) will be used
[03:34] <pace_t_zulu> at that rate they can't possibly land wayland before the next LTS
[03:35] <chris4585> I actually can't wait for fedora 15 to be out, I'm itching to get at gnome-shell
[03:41] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: any chance that it's coded for wayland, hence some of the issues
[03:41] <chris4585> I also can't wait for wayland.. I hope the performance really increases
[03:51] <cyberanger> idk how much of a game changer it will really be
[03:52] <cyberanger> due to my CLI usage perhaps
[03:52] <cyberanger> idk how much you can slim from xorg, when xorg is the standard for everyone
[03:53] <cyberanger> they gotta code for both at first, which I would expect would hurt them more than xorg
[03:53] <cyberanger> that kind of backwards compatability is one thing that hurts as things go on too
[03:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th?
[03:55] <cyberanger> poor timing
[03:59] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th?
[04:00] <wrst> hello cyberanger, pace_t_zulu
[04:00] <cyberanger> wrst: hey
[04:01] <wrst> cyberanger:  activity on a friday night, cool
[04:01] <cyberanger> yeah, and dead last night, odd huh
[04:02] <wrst> ha yes, oh and chris4585 i'm using gnome-shell as we speak i think its pretty sweet
[04:03] <chris4585> wrst, I had a feeling you would change your mind
[04:03] <chris4585> I'm still waiting eagerly to try it out
[04:03] <wrst> yeah chris4585 the gnome 3 live cd's were just crappy
[04:03] <chris4585> I'm gonna install fedora 15 on my desktop just to give it a shot
[04:03] <chris4585> wrst, so you're trying it on natty?
[04:04] <cyberanger> wrst: have you seen our topic?
[04:04] <wrst> yes i see it cyberanger :)
[04:04] <wrst> chris4585:  no using it on arch
[04:04] <cyberanger> wrst: can you handle that, work for you?
[04:05] <wrst> yeah afaik :)
[04:05] <chris4585> wrst, :o now I'm just envious lol
[04:05]  * cyberanger wonders if he's not seeing all the settings for mailman, I used a different version, get the feeling a submenu is missing
[04:06] <wrst> chris4585: i think at the moment gnome 3 > unity
[04:07] <chris4585> wrst, ah really? thats kind of expected I guess, gnome 3 has been in development a lot longer
[04:07] <cyberanger> I think at the moment pacman < openbox < gnome 3 + unity
[04:08] <chris4585> cyberanger, gnome 3 + unity ?
[04:08] <wrst> yeah chris4585 i don't know now if i really understand why the departure from gnome
[04:10] <cyberanger> chris4585: what can I say, there is a minimalism to openbox that appeals to me
[04:10] <cyberanger> and my sysadmin background
[04:11] <chris4585> oh adding the + confused me because gnome 3 and unity don't mix well
[04:12] <cyberanger> well, the reason for pacman was to add some humour
[04:12] <cyberanger> perhaps that muddied the waters further
[04:15] <wrst> cyberanger: i think pacman is in the neighborhood of apt oraptitude not hardly but much better than any non apt package manager that i have used
[04:15] <cyberanger> the joke was in the video game pacman
[04:15] <cyberanger> sorry
[04:16] <cyberanger> and yum has really gotten to be sweet
[04:17] <cyberanger> I like apt-get, thanks to #keryx and some pointers from excid3 I can use it on any system
[04:19] <cyberanger> since we're on the topic of package managers, I am compelled to say that, yum in centos 5.5 suprised me
[04:25] <wrst> cyberanger: what does opensuse use?
[04:51] <cyberanger> usually kde
[04:52] <cyberanger> and their package tool is YaST if I recall
[04:53] <wrst> ahh yes YaST german for slow as crap and barely works package manager
[05:01] <chris4585> lol
[05:01] <chris4585> apt seems a bit simple at slow but it works, I love pacman and the AUR though
[05:02] <wrst> chris4585: i prefer apt over pacman its commands are a little simpler and it feels more "complete" to me
[05:02] <cyberanger> apt seems pretty quick actually
[05:02] <cyberanger> when you factor in what's just downloads
[05:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, really? have you used pacman? it just feels like it sets up faster
[05:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, well thats what I mean, I was excluding the downloading
[05:03] <cyberanger> yes, I have
[05:04] <chris4585> although I'm more familiar with apt and dpkg
[05:07] <cyberanger> that might play a role too, on my end too
[05:08] <chris4585> but you can't deny the power behind pacman
[05:08] <chris4585> also having the name of a 1980's game for a package manager is just awesome
[05:39] <cyberanger> chris4585: true
[05:40] <cyberanger> but apt-get is a little more powerful, the more you install at one time, the more apt-get shows some issues
[05:41] <cyberanger> but if you remove the download bit, on both, it seems pretty level
[19:33] <cyberanger> yet another quiet day, perhaps I'll manage to squeeze in a blog post too
[19:59] <wrst> cyberanger: how you doing?
[21:14] <cyberanger> wrst: awesome, GNU Mailman aside
[21:14] <cyberanger> daily digest is acting like a monthly digest
[21:14] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[21:15] <cyberanger> I suspect I'm not a full op or something
[21:19] <cyberanger> doesn't feel like I'm seeing the full picture
[21:22] <cyberanger> how about you?
[21:45] <cyberanger> wrst: ^^
[21:53] <wrst> cyberanger:  i never see the full picture of anything :)
[22:03] <cyberanger> wrst: that's good, leaves you room to paint the full picture ;-)
[22:04] <wrst> ha ha tell my wife that :)
[22:15] <cyberanger> lol
[22:54] <chris4585> lol
[23:19] <cyberanger> wrst: I'll see what I can do
[23:20]  * cyberanger grabs the duct tape, places a peice over his mouth, knowing this is the best he can do