| falktx_ | hey guys | 00:12 |
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| orngjce223 | So. Hey? | 04:44 |
| holstein | o/ | 04:44 |
| orngjce223 | I think I'm going to idle in here, while converting plain Ubuntu to a partial Ubuntu Studio for audiowork. | 04:44 |
| holstein | sure | 04:44 |
| holstein | if you want to idle somewhere helpful | 04:45 |
| holstein | here and #opensourcemusicians | 04:45 |
| holstein | feel free | 04:45 |
| holstein | chime in | 04:45 |
| holstein | enjoy :) | 04:45 |
| orngjce223 | Thanks! | 04:45 |
| orngjce223 | The problem I had with that was I tried to install the full size Ubuntu Studio, but I was loading it on a USB key and the installer refused to believe that /dev/sdb1 was the install CD. Oh well. Vanilla Ubuntu works well enough. | 04:45 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:45 |
| holstein | there are tricks | 04:46 |
| holstein | orngjce223: do you have a LP account? | 04:46 |
| orngjce223 | Hm? | 04:46 |
| holstein | i have a bug if you wouldnt mind adding yourself | 04:46 |
| orngjce223 | Oh, Launchpad. | 04:46 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah. | 04:46 |
| orngjce223 | Link me? | 04:46 |
| holstein | its more of a wishlist bug | 04:47 |
| holstein | but still | 04:47 |
| holstein | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774 | 04:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 697774 in Ubuntu Studio "cant install ubuntustudio from USB stick" [Undecided,New] | 04:47 |
| holstein | i like to have it documented | 04:47 |
| holstein | orngjce223: ive done both | 04:47 |
| orngjce223 | Fair enough. | 04:47 |
| holstein | ubuntutudio installs | 04:47 |
| holstein | and vanilla with the upgrades | 04:47 |
| holstein | i prefer the vanilla with the upgrades for laptops anyways | 04:48 |
| orngjce223 | It's a bit more than wishlisting for me since this is a notebook with no CD or DVD slot, to be fair. | 04:48 |
| holstein | i wouldnt worry about it | 04:48 |
| orngjce223 | Meh. | 04:48 |
| orngjce223 | I wouldn't use the video or graphics tools anyway. | 04:48 |
| orngjce223 | I suppose this way I save some space. :p | 04:48 |
| holstein | my netbooks are all vanilla with packages added as needed | 04:48 |
| orngjce223 | Cool. | 04:49 |
| orngjce223 | I actually just reinstalled because I forgot to lock up my computer while toying with config files in a root prompt and thus kinda messed everything up. XD | 04:50 |
| holstein | hehe | 04:50 |
| holstein | hey, if you got the time | 04:50 |
| orngjce223 | My younger brother knows just enough to be dangerous. | 04:50 |
| orngjce223 | :v | 04:50 |
| holstein | and your data is backed up | 04:50 |
| orngjce223 | Yep | 04:50 |
| holstein | i say, go for it | 04:50 |
| holstein | thats the way to learn | 04:50 |
| orngjce223 | Mmhm | 04:50 |
| holstein | break it, and fix it up :) | 04:50 |
| orngjce223 | Heh. | 04:50 |
| orngjce223 | The kid needs his own netbook, I'm getting a touch tired of him toying with mine to figure out how OJ's shiny non-Windows system works. :P | 04:51 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:51 |
| holstein | maybe a USB install is in order | 04:51 |
| holstein | or a 'dual-boot' | 04:52 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah, I actually have my USB stick partitioned off so that I can always boot from it to fix things if they break too much. In practice, it's really been more "move everything out, wipe, and reinstall" than "fix". | 04:53 |
| orngjce223 | Oh well. | 04:53 |
| orngjce223 | Hmm, you ever heard of this? https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/ | 04:54 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:54 |
| holstein | i use it | 04:54 |
| holstein | thats falktx :) | 04:54 |
| holstein | i use that with lucid | 04:54 |
| orngjce223 | Ah cool. | 04:54 |
| holstein | im not a fan of KDE | 04:55 |
| holstein | but, falk is a great guy | 04:55 |
| holstein | really acitve | 04:55 |
| holstein | active* | 04:55 |
| holstein | his laptop died though | 04:55 |
| holstein | so he's down for the week i think | 04:55 |
| holstein | while the HD is off for warranty work | 04:55 |
| orngjce223 | I've stuck with Lucid as well, since I have no idea what the hell happened to the interface when I tried the 10.10 from livecd. To be honest I don't like where the Ubuntu interface people are going anymore. -_- | 04:55 |
| holstein | eh | 04:56 |
| holstein | im trying to keep an open mind | 04:56 |
| holstein | 11.04 is all different | 04:56 |
| holstein | with unity | 04:56 |
| orngjce223 | Theoretically. | 04:56 |
| holstein | but, i like the idea of it really | 04:56 |
| holstein | i dont think its going to work for ubuntustudio | 04:56 |
| holstein | but we'll see | 04:57 |
| holstein | we are talking about trying gnome3, unity, and XFCE | 04:57 |
| holstein | maye KDE too | 04:57 |
| orngjce223 | I have to say, I should try 11.04 but one of my friends complained that it doesn't preserve virtual desktop layouts, which is a Dealbreaker. | 04:57 |
| holstein | get something set up for 12.04 hopefully | 04:57 |
| orngjce223 | Hopefully. | 04:57 |
| holstein | orngjce223: you can run gnome | 04:58 |
| holstein | in 11.04 | 04:58 |
| orngjce223 | Ah. | 04:58 |
| orngjce223 | Mmhm | 04:58 |
| holstein | next release | 04:58 |
| holstein | it'll be unity only | 04:58 |
| holstein | but for now | 04:58 |
| holstein | when you log in | 04:58 |
| holstein | you can go to 'classic desktop mode' | 04:58 |
| orngjce223 | See, I was thinking, it's not just about what I can select but also about what's the default, since I'm starting to install Ubuntu on other computers in this house as well and I need to be able to know how stuff works on them. | 04:59 |
| holstein | 11.04 is actually going to be great for audio | 04:59 |
| holstein | for US | 04:59 |
| orngjce223 | Mmm. | 04:59 |
| holstein | but, lucid with falks PPA | 04:59 |
| holstein | thats quite current actually | 04:59 |
| orngjce223 | Cool. | 04:59 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah, I think I'm going to stick with the vanilla kernel on this thing, I use it on battery power enough that "performance" mode makes a difference. | 05:00 |
| holstein | orngjce223: i suggest trying it | 05:02 |
| holstein | its really getting good | 05:03 |
| holstein | we are testing | 05:03 |
| orngjce223 | The PPA? | 05:03 |
| holstein | but, the gerneric kernel in natty | 05:03 |
| holstein | quite nice | 05:03 |
| holstein | and ive tested the gerneric kernel in maverick and lucid | 05:03 |
| holstein | not bad at all | 05:03 |
| holstein | IF it works for you, go for it | 05:03 |
| holstein | orngjce223: there are 2 kernels in falks ppa | 05:04 |
| holstein | from abogani | 05:04 |
| orngjce223 | Mm. I'll take a look. | 05:04 |
| holstein | theres -realtime | 05:04 |
| holstein | and -lowlatency | 05:04 |
| holstein | -lowlatency is not unlike -generic | 05:04 |
| holstein | -realtime is the one that'll kill your battery | 05:04 |
| holstein | and whatever else | 05:05 |
| orngjce223 | Ah. | 05:05 |
| holstein | at the expense of realtime :) | 05:05 |
| holstein | in a good way | 05:05 |
| holstein | if thats what you need | 05:05 |
| holstein | usually not necessary though | 05:05 |
| holstein | on my laptops and netbook | 05:05 |
| holstein | i have several kernel types | 05:05 |
| orngjce223 | Mm. | 05:05 |
| holstein | and i just reboot with the -realtime one | 05:05 |
| holstein | if i need it | 05:05 |
| orngjce223 | Oh yeah should I also point you towards some of the stuff I've done? I almost forgot to show off. :P | 05:06 |
| orngjce223 | http://soundcloud.com/hesperidia | 05:07 |
| holstein | hehe | 05:07 |
| orngjce223 | Mostly LMMS I have to admit, I need to branch out a bit more | 05:08 |
| holstein | nah | 05:08 |
| holstein | LMMS is cool | 05:08 |
| holstein | ive had a hell of a time with it in the past | 05:08 |
| holstein | and dont really use it much | 05:08 |
| holstein | orngjce223: nice stuff :) | 05:09 |
| orngjce223 | But someone mistook "Sphere of Stars" for something made with Kontakt, which is $$$. I had quite a bit of fun telling him it was 100% free. :P | 05:09 |
| holstein | OK | 05:10 |
| holstein | i'll link you to a few things :) | 05:10 |
| holstein | http://holstein.bandcamp.com/track/breath | 05:10 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg | 05:10 |
| holstein | im playing with these guys tomorrow | 05:11 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/dingle/dingle.mp3 | 05:11 |
| holstein | this is an early rough mix of something we did | 05:12 |
| orngjce223 | Cool. | 05:12 |
| holstein | :) | 05:14 |
| orngjce223 | I'm saving up to buy one of those teensy little 25-key controllers for my laptop bag actually. I wonder how well those work? | 05:18 |
| holstein | i got a 49 | 05:18 |
| orngjce223 | (Or if they do at all? Well, they probably do.) | 05:18 |
| holstein | i think it depends on what you want to do | 05:18 |
| holstein | i recently got a nice alesis qs8.1 | 05:18 |
| holstein | older hammer action weighed controller | 05:19 |
| orngjce223 | Mostly sticking them into midi input so I can slightly accelerate the process of sticking in melodies. | 05:19 |
| holstein | weighted* | 05:19 |
| holstein | if you want to play it as an instrument at all | 05:19 |
| holstein | id say the 25 is not going to do it | 05:19 |
| orngjce223 | I'm not as good with a real keyboard as I'd like to be, I have to admit. That's probably because the other piano I have is a massive wooden acoustic thing. | 05:19 |
| orngjce223 | And I'm a computer person. :P | 05:19 |
| holstein | personally, i put it a few steps above qwerty | 05:20 |
| orngjce223 | Honestly my main "instrument", if you could call it that, is epic whistling. | 05:20 |
| holstein | nice | 05:20 |
| holstein | is that you whistling on.. | 05:21 |
| holstein | clockwork? | 05:21 |
| holstein | no | 05:21 |
| holstein | thats an ocarina or something right? | 05:21 |
| holstein | penny whistle? | 05:21 |
| orngjce223 | No, just lips. | 05:22 |
| orngjce223 | Uh | 05:22 |
| orngjce223 | Clockwork is a soundfont | 05:22 |
| orngjce223 | Panpipes, I think. | 05:22 |
| semitones | my brother just got a 25 key usb keyboard | 05:23 |
| orngjce223 | I need to get a good microphone before I consider actually using the sound, for one. | 05:23 |
| holstein | O I C | 05:23 |
| semitones | I'm trying to get a hold of it to try out some linux synthesizers :P | 05:23 |
| orngjce223 | Hahaha. | 05:24 |
| orngjce223 | Oddly | 05:24 |
| holstein | eh | 05:24 |
| holstein | vkeybd | 05:24 |
| holstein | and qwerty :) | 05:25 |
| semitones | lol didn't know about vkeybd :D | 05:25 |
| orngjce223 | I'm a rather reductionist "if I can't hear the track and it doesn't contribute to the sound, it shouldn't be there" musician and one of my best friends is a trance artist. | 05:25 |
| orngjce223 | I suppose it's interesting. | 05:26 |
| holstein | semitones: does he like it? | 05:26 |
| orngjce223 | Me I need to figure out how to use effects /properly/. :P | 05:26 |
| semitones | holstein, he likes it a lot :D --- i mean he still wishes he could have gotten more keys, but cost was an issue | 05:27 |
| holstein | i think note entry | 05:27 |
| holstein | for MIDI work | 05:27 |
| holstein | it would be handy | 05:27 |
| semitones | and this definitely beats manual note entry | 05:27 |
| semitones | by a whoooole lot | 05:27 |
| holstein | qwerty has no touch sensitivity | 05:28 |
| holstein | i havent used my 49 since i got the weighted 88 | 05:28 |
| Blank__ | ooh, weighted | 05:29 |
| orngjce223 | I don't doubt it, I want a weighted at some point, I don't play well on the dinky little plastic ones. :P | 05:29 |
| holstein | eh, if i had room/cash | 05:29 |
| holstein | id just have a piano | 05:30 |
| holstein | but i purchased pianoteq | 05:30 |
| holstein | and the pianos are nice | 05:30 |
| holstein | and the rhodes is killer :) | 05:30 |
| semitones | i've got to get better at keyboards -- i could never figure out how to make my hands do different things at the same time :P | 05:30 |
| phed__ | i bought a 25 keyb one ages ago; just needed it for the knobs. but pity me - i've become better at this thing now :( | 05:30 |
| holstein | semitones: thats what the sequencers are for :) | 05:31 |
| holstein | you record one hand at a time | 05:31 |
| holstein | or in my case, one finger ;p | 05:31 |
| phed__ | so i use one hand on the midikeyboard and one on the computerkeyboard at times =) | 05:31 |
| orngjce223 | Hahaha. :D | 05:31 |
| semitones | lol nice | 05:31 |
| holstein | phed__: cool, like a qwerty organ ;) | 05:31 |
| semitones | don't need touch sensitivity for those pedal basses :p | 05:32 |
| holstein | alrighty folks | 05:34 |
| holstein | im getting horizontal | 05:34 |
| holstein | GN | 05:34 |
| orngjce223 | Night then. | 05:35 |
| semitones | gnite | 05:35 |
| phed__ | g'night | 05:35 |
| orngjce223 | Wait, I have that kxstudio PPA installed and I am wondering whether I should be using the jackd package or the jack2 package, whether there'll be any conflict. | 05:40 |
| orngjce223 | Hm? | 05:41 |
| ailo | orngjce223, You will only be able to use one or the other. | 05:41 |
| ailo | orngjce223, I recommend jackd2 | 05:42 |
| orngjce223 | So, that means jack2? | 05:42 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Right. The package is called jackd2 | 05:42 |
| ailo | With jackd2 you get a few benefits that you don't get with jackd1 | 05:43 |
| orngjce223 | Weird. The problem here is a bunch of dependencies with ardour and suchlike where if I uninstall jackd then everything else decides to leave the building. | 05:44 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Don't uninstall it. Just install jackd2 | 05:44 |
| ailo | jackd1 will be removed automatically | 05:44 |
| orngjce223 | Uh, this is weird. | 05:44 |
| orngjce223 | Okay, jackd2 marks a lot of packages upgraded, but jack2 doesn't install, is it supposed to? | 05:45 |
| orngjce223 | (n00b time! wheee!) | 05:45 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Doesn't install? | 05:45 |
| orngjce223 | Uh, I meant there's no dependency in either direction. | 05:45 |
| orngjce223 | Am I supposed to install the two separately or can I leave the jack2 package unmarked? | 05:46 |
| ailo | What happens if you do: sudo apt-get install jackd2 | 05:46 |
| orngjce223 | I'm doing this via synaptic so I can figure out which direction the dependencies lie | 05:46 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Just mark jackd2 for installation | 05:47 |
| ailo | Then apply | 05:47 |
| orngjce223 | Okay, that's done. | 05:47 |
| orngjce223 | The problem is it's described as an "empty compatibility package", so I am suspecting I have to do something else as well? | 05:48 |
| ailo | Don't think I've ever come across that sentence before. Did you install it yet? All the dependecies would have been marked automatically. | 05:49 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah, I installed it and there /are/ no dependencies marked. | 05:49 |
| orngjce223 | jack2 has all the dependencies, apparently. Derp. | 05:49 |
| ailo | orngjce223, When you marked jackd2, any dependencies would have been marked at the same time. That's how it works. Then you hit apply, and all packages get installed. End of story | 05:50 |
| orngjce223 | Right. | 05:50 |
| * orngjce223 raises an eyebrow | 05:50 | |
| orngjce223 | I said I wanted to install the sound server and that was an empty package, so the sound server must be somewhere else, right? | 05:51 |
| ailo | What package did you mark? jackd2? | 05:51 |
| orngjce223 | jackd2 Yes. | 05:51 |
| orngjce223 | When I marked jack2 everything came along with it as you described. | 05:52 |
| orngjce223 | jack2 is not an empty package, it's marked as the metapackage where everything else comes in. jackd2 is an empty package. | 05:52 |
| orngjce223 | I know something's wrong here and it can't be the repository. | 05:53 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Let me check the KXStudio repo. I've never heard of a jack2 package | 05:53 |
| ailo | Only jackd2 | 05:53 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Ok. Seems like KXStudio has another name for it. My Bad. | 05:54 |
| orngjce223 | Ah. | 05:54 |
| orngjce223 | Fair enough. | 05:54 |
| ailo | jackd2 is what it's called in Debian and Ubuntu repos. | 05:55 |
| orngjce223 | Ah. | 05:56 |
| orngjce223 | That's interesting, then. | 05:56 |
| ailo | I suppose falktx would like it to be simpler for people to find the packages. I remember myself being not clear about what the jack package was called, when I started out | 05:57 |
| ailo | But, it also makes it a little confusing when he does that, if you ask me | 05:57 |
| * orngjce223 wants to shoot trouble, is anyone in here available? | 17:59 | |
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