[00:12] <falktx_> hey guys
[04:44] <orngjce223> So. Hey?
[04:44] <holstein> o/
[04:44] <orngjce223> I think I'm going to idle in here, while converting plain Ubuntu to a partial Ubuntu Studio for audiowork.
[04:44] <holstein> sure
[04:45] <holstein> if you want to idle somewhere helpful
[04:45] <holstein> here and #opensourcemusicians
[04:45] <holstein> feel free
[04:45] <holstein> chime in
[04:45] <holstein> enjoy :)
[04:45] <orngjce223> Thanks!
[04:45] <orngjce223> The problem I had with that was I tried to install the full size Ubuntu Studio, but I was loading it on a USB key and the installer refused to believe that /dev/sdb1 was the install CD. Oh well. Vanilla Ubuntu works well enough.
[04:45] <holstein> yeah
[04:46] <holstein> there are tricks
[04:46] <holstein> orngjce223: do you have a LP account?
[04:46] <orngjce223> Hm?
[04:46] <holstein> i have a bug if you wouldnt mind adding yourself
[04:46] <orngjce223> Oh, Launchpad.
[04:46] <orngjce223> Yeah.
[04:46] <orngjce223> Link me?
[04:47] <holstein> its more of a wishlist bug
[04:47] <holstein> but still
[04:47] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774
[04:47] <holstein> i like to have it documented
[04:47] <holstein> orngjce223: ive done both
[04:47] <orngjce223> Fair enough.
[04:47] <holstein> ubuntutudio installs
[04:47] <holstein> and vanilla with the upgrades
[04:48] <holstein> i prefer the vanilla with the upgrades for laptops anyways
[04:48] <orngjce223> It's a bit more than wishlisting for me since this is a notebook with no CD or DVD slot, to be fair.
[04:48] <holstein> i wouldnt worry about it
[04:48] <orngjce223> Meh.
[04:48] <orngjce223> I wouldn't use the video or graphics tools anyway.
[04:48] <orngjce223> I suppose this way I save some space. :p
[04:48] <holstein> my netbooks are all vanilla with packages added as needed
[04:49] <orngjce223> Cool.
[04:50] <orngjce223> I actually just reinstalled because I forgot to lock up my computer while toying with config files in a root prompt and thus kinda messed everything up. XD
[04:50] <holstein> hehe
[04:50] <holstein> hey, if you got the time
[04:50] <orngjce223> My younger brother knows just enough to be dangerous.
[04:50] <orngjce223> :v
[04:50] <holstein> and your data is backed up
[04:50] <orngjce223> Yep
[04:50] <holstein> i say, go for it
[04:50] <holstein> thats the way to learn
[04:50] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[04:50] <holstein> break it, and fix it up :)
[04:50] <orngjce223> Heh.
[04:51] <orngjce223> The kid needs his own netbook, I'm getting a touch tired of him toying with mine to figure out how OJ's shiny non-Windows system works. :P
[04:51] <holstein> yeah
[04:51] <holstein> maybe a USB install is in order
[04:52] <holstein> or a 'dual-boot'
[04:53] <orngjce223> Yeah, I actually have my USB stick partitioned off so that I can always boot from it to fix things if they break too much. In practice, it's really been more "move everything out, wipe, and reinstall" than "fix".
[04:53] <orngjce223> Oh well.
[04:54] <orngjce223> Hmm, you ever heard of this? https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/
[04:54] <holstein> yeah
[04:54] <holstein> i use it
[04:54] <holstein> thats falktx :)
[04:54] <holstein> i use that with lucid
[04:54] <orngjce223> Ah cool.
[04:55] <holstein> im not a fan of KDE
[04:55] <holstein> but, falk is a great guy
[04:55] <holstein> really acitve
[04:55] <holstein> active*
[04:55] <holstein> his laptop died though
[04:55] <holstein> so he's down for the week i think
[04:55] <holstein> while the HD is off for warranty work
[04:55] <orngjce223> I've stuck with Lucid as well, since I have no idea what the hell happened to the interface when I tried the 10.10 from livecd. To be honest I don't like where the Ubuntu interface people are going anymore. -_-
[04:56] <holstein> eh
[04:56] <holstein> im trying to keep an open mind
[04:56] <holstein> 11.04 is all different
[04:56] <holstein> with unity
[04:56] <orngjce223> Theoretically.
[04:56] <holstein> but, i like the idea of it really
[04:56] <holstein> i dont think its going to work for ubuntustudio
[04:57] <holstein> but we'll see
[04:57] <holstein> we are talking about trying gnome3, unity, and XFCE
[04:57] <holstein> maye KDE too
[04:57] <orngjce223> I have to say, I should try 11.04 but one of my friends complained that it doesn't preserve virtual desktop layouts, which is a Dealbreaker.
[04:57] <holstein> get something set up for 12.04 hopefully
[04:57] <orngjce223> Hopefully.
[04:58] <holstein> orngjce223: you can run gnome
[04:58] <holstein> in 11.04
[04:58] <orngjce223> Ah.
[04:58] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[04:58] <holstein> next release
[04:58] <holstein> it'll be unity only
[04:58] <holstein> but for now
[04:58] <holstein> when you log in
[04:58] <holstein> you can go to 'classic desktop mode'
[04:59] <orngjce223> See, I was thinking, it's not just about what I can select but also about what's the default, since I'm starting to install Ubuntu on other computers in this house as well and I need to be able to know how stuff works on them.
[04:59] <holstein> 11.04 is actually going to be great for audio
[04:59] <holstein> for US
[04:59] <orngjce223> Mmm.
[04:59] <holstein> but, lucid with falks PPA
[04:59] <holstein> thats quite current actually
[04:59] <orngjce223> Cool.
[05:00] <orngjce223> Yeah, I think I'm going to stick with the vanilla kernel on this thing, I use it on battery power enough that "performance" mode makes a difference.
[05:02] <holstein> orngjce223: i suggest trying it
[05:03] <holstein> its really getting good
[05:03] <holstein> we are testing
[05:03] <orngjce223> The PPA?
[05:03] <holstein> but, the gerneric kernel in natty
[05:03] <holstein> quite nice
[05:03] <holstein> and ive tested the gerneric kernel in maverick and lucid
[05:03] <holstein> not bad at all
[05:03] <holstein> IF it works for you, go for it
[05:04] <holstein> orngjce223: there are 2 kernels in falks ppa
[05:04] <holstein> from abogani
[05:04] <orngjce223> Mm. I'll take a look.
[05:04] <holstein> theres -realtime
[05:04] <holstein> and -lowlatency
[05:04] <holstein> -lowlatency is not unlike -generic
[05:04] <holstein> -realtime is the one that'll kill your battery
[05:05] <holstein> and whatever else
[05:05] <orngjce223> Ah.
[05:05] <holstein> at the expense of realtime :)
[05:05] <holstein> in a good way
[05:05] <holstein> if thats what you need
[05:05] <holstein> usually not necessary though
[05:05] <holstein> on my laptops and netbook
[05:05] <holstein> i have several kernel types
[05:05] <orngjce223> Mm.
[05:05] <holstein> and i just reboot with the -realtime one
[05:05] <holstein> if i need it
[05:06] <orngjce223> Oh yeah should I also point you towards some of the stuff I've done? I almost forgot to show off. :P
[05:07] <orngjce223> http://soundcloud.com/hesperidia
[05:07] <holstein> hehe
[05:08] <orngjce223> Mostly LMMS I have to admit, I need to branch out a bit more
[05:08] <holstein> nah
[05:08] <holstein> LMMS is cool
[05:08] <holstein> ive had a hell of a time with it in the past
[05:08] <holstein> and dont really use it much
[05:09] <holstein> orngjce223: nice stuff :)
[05:09] <orngjce223> But someone mistook "Sphere of Stars" for something made with Kontakt, which is $$$. I had quite a bit of fun telling him it was 100% free. :P
[05:10] <holstein> OK
[05:10] <holstein> i'll link you to a few things :)
[05:10] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/track/breath
[05:10] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg
[05:11] <holstein> im playing with these guys tomorrow
[05:11] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/dingle/dingle.mp3
[05:12] <holstein> this is an early rough mix of something we did
[05:12] <orngjce223> Cool.
[05:14] <holstein> :)
[05:18] <orngjce223> I'm saving up to buy one of those teensy little 25-key controllers for my laptop bag actually. I wonder how well those work?
[05:18] <holstein> i got a 49
[05:18] <orngjce223> (Or if they do at all? Well, they probably do.)
[05:18] <holstein> i think it depends on what you want to do
[05:18] <holstein> i recently got a nice alesis qs8.1
[05:19] <holstein> older hammer action weighed controller
[05:19] <orngjce223> Mostly sticking them into midi input so I can slightly accelerate the process of sticking in melodies.
[05:19] <holstein> weighted*
[05:19] <holstein> if you want to play it as an instrument at all
[05:19] <holstein> id say the 25 is not going to do it
[05:19] <orngjce223> I'm not as good with a real keyboard as I'd like to be, I have to admit. That's probably because the other piano I have is a massive wooden acoustic thing.
[05:19] <orngjce223> And I'm a computer person. :P
[05:20] <holstein> personally, i put it a few steps above qwerty
[05:20] <orngjce223> Honestly my main "instrument", if you could call it that, is epic whistling.
[05:20] <holstein> nice
[05:21] <holstein> is that you whistling on..
[05:21] <holstein> clockwork?
[05:21] <holstein> no
[05:21] <holstein> thats an ocarina or something right?
[05:21] <holstein> penny whistle?
[05:22] <orngjce223> No, just lips.
[05:22] <orngjce223> Uh
[05:22] <orngjce223> Clockwork is a soundfont
[05:22] <orngjce223> Panpipes, I think.
[05:23] <semitones> my brother just got a 25 key usb keyboard
[05:23] <orngjce223> I need to get a good microphone before I consider actually using the sound, for one.
[05:23] <holstein> O I C
[05:23] <semitones> I'm trying to get a hold of it to try out some linux synthesizers :P
[05:24] <orngjce223> Hahaha.
[05:24] <orngjce223> Oddly
[05:24] <holstein> eh
[05:24] <holstein> vkeybd
[05:25] <holstein> and qwerty :)
[05:25] <semitones> lol didn't know about vkeybd :D
[05:25] <orngjce223> I'm a rather reductionist "if I can't hear the track and it doesn't contribute to the sound, it shouldn't be there" musician and one of my best friends is a trance artist.
[05:26] <orngjce223> I suppose it's interesting.
[05:26] <holstein> semitones: does he like it?
[05:26] <orngjce223> Me I need to figure out how to use effects /properly/. :P
[05:27] <semitones> holstein, he likes it a lot :D --- i mean he still wishes he could have gotten more keys, but cost was an issue
[05:27] <holstein> i think note entry
[05:27] <holstein> for MIDI work
[05:27] <holstein> it would be handy
[05:27] <semitones> and this definitely beats manual note entry
[05:27] <semitones> by a whoooole lot
[05:28] <holstein> qwerty has no touch sensitivity
[05:28] <holstein> i havent used my 49 since i got the weighted 88
[05:29] <Blank__> ooh, weighted
[05:29] <orngjce223> I don't doubt it, I want a weighted at some point, I don't play well on the dinky little plastic ones. :P
[05:29] <holstein> eh, if i had room/cash
[05:30] <holstein> id just have a piano
[05:30] <holstein> but i purchased pianoteq
[05:30] <holstein> and the pianos are nice
[05:30] <holstein> and the rhodes is killer :)
[05:30] <semitones> i've got to get better at keyboards -- i could never figure out how to make my hands do different things at the same time :P
[05:30] <phed__> i bought a 25 keyb one ages ago; just needed it for the knobs. but pity me - i've become better at this thing now :(
[05:31] <holstein> semitones: thats what the sequencers are for :)
[05:31] <holstein> you record one hand at a time
[05:31] <holstein> or in my case, one finger ;p
[05:31] <phed__> so i use one hand on the midikeyboard and one on the computerkeyboard at times =)
[05:31] <orngjce223> Hahaha. :D
[05:31] <semitones> lol nice
[05:31] <holstein> phed__: cool, like a qwerty organ ;)
[05:32] <semitones> don't need touch sensitivity for those pedal basses :p
[05:34] <holstein> alrighty folks
[05:34] <holstein> im getting horizontal
[05:34] <holstein> GN
[05:35] <orngjce223> Night then.
[05:35] <semitones> gnite
[05:35] <phed__> g'night
[05:40] <orngjce223> Wait, I have that kxstudio PPA installed and I am wondering whether I should be using the jackd package or the jack2 package, whether there'll be any conflict.
[05:41] <orngjce223> Hm?
[05:41] <ailo> orngjce223, You will only be able to use one or the other.
[05:42] <ailo> orngjce223, I recommend jackd2
[05:42] <orngjce223> So, that means jack2?
[05:42] <ailo> orngjce223, Right. The package is called jackd2
[05:43] <ailo> With jackd2 you get a few benefits that you don't get with jackd1
[05:44] <orngjce223> Weird. The problem here is a bunch of dependencies with ardour and suchlike where if I uninstall jackd then everything else decides to leave the building.
[05:44] <ailo> orngjce223, Don't uninstall it. Just install jackd2
[05:44] <ailo> jackd1 will be removed automatically
[05:44] <orngjce223> Uh, this is weird.
[05:45] <orngjce223> Okay, jackd2 marks a lot of packages upgraded, but jack2 doesn't install, is it supposed to?
[05:45] <orngjce223> (n00b time! wheee!)
[05:45] <ailo> orngjce223, Doesn't install?
[05:45] <orngjce223> Uh, I meant there's no dependency in either direction.
[05:46] <orngjce223> Am I supposed to install the two separately or can I leave the jack2 package unmarked?
[05:46] <ailo> What happens if you do: sudo apt-get install jackd2
[05:46] <orngjce223> I'm doing this via synaptic so I can figure out which direction the dependencies lie
[05:47] <ailo> orngjce223, Just mark jackd2 for installation
[05:47] <ailo> Then apply
[05:47] <orngjce223> Okay, that's done.
[05:48] <orngjce223> The problem is it's described as an "empty compatibility package", so I am suspecting I have to do something else as well?
[05:49] <ailo> Don't think I've ever come across that sentence before. Did you install it yet? All the dependecies would have been marked automatically.
[05:49] <orngjce223> Yeah, I installed it and there /are/ no dependencies marked.
[05:49] <orngjce223> jack2 has all the dependencies, apparently. Derp.
[05:50] <ailo> orngjce223, When you marked jackd2, any dependencies would have been marked at the same time. That's how it works. Then you hit apply, and all packages get installed. End of story
[05:50] <orngjce223> Right.
[05:50]  * orngjce223 raises an eyebrow
[05:51] <orngjce223> I said I wanted to install the sound server and that was an empty package, so the sound server must be somewhere else, right?
[05:51] <ailo> What package did you mark? jackd2?
[05:51] <orngjce223> jackd2 Yes.
[05:52] <orngjce223> When I marked jack2 everything came along with it as you described.
[05:52] <orngjce223> jack2 is not an empty package, it's marked as the metapackage where everything else comes in. jackd2 is an empty package.
[05:53] <orngjce223> I know something's wrong here and it can't be the repository.
[05:53] <ailo> orngjce223, Let me check the KXStudio repo. I've never heard of a jack2 package
[05:53] <ailo> Only jackd2
[05:54] <ailo> orngjce223, Ok. Seems like KXStudio has another name for it. My Bad.
[05:54] <orngjce223> Ah.
[05:54] <orngjce223> Fair enough.
[05:55] <ailo> jackd2 is what it's called in Debian and Ubuntu repos.
[05:56] <orngjce223> Ah.
[05:56] <orngjce223> That's interesting, then.
[05:57] <ailo> I suppose falktx would like it to be simpler for people to find the packages. I remember myself being not clear about what the jack package was called, when I started out
[05:57] <ailo> But, it also makes it a little confusing when he does that, if you ask me
[17:59]  * orngjce223 wants to shoot trouble, is anyone in here available?