[00:12] hey guys === falktx_ is now known as falktx [04:44] So. Hey? [04:44] o/ [04:44] I think I'm going to idle in here, while converting plain Ubuntu to a partial Ubuntu Studio for audiowork. [04:44] sure [04:45] if you want to idle somewhere helpful [04:45] here and #opensourcemusicians [04:45] feel free [04:45] chime in [04:45] enjoy :) [04:45] Thanks! [04:45] The problem I had with that was I tried to install the full size Ubuntu Studio, but I was loading it on a USB key and the installer refused to believe that /dev/sdb1 was the install CD. Oh well. Vanilla Ubuntu works well enough. [04:45] yeah [04:46] there are tricks [04:46] orngjce223: do you have a LP account? [04:46] Hm? [04:46] i have a bug if you wouldnt mind adding yourself [04:46] Oh, Launchpad. [04:46] Yeah. [04:46] Link me? [04:47] its more of a wishlist bug [04:47] but still [04:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774 [04:47] Ubuntu bug 697774 in Ubuntu Studio "cant install ubuntustudio from USB stick" [Undecided,New] [04:47] i like to have it documented [04:47] orngjce223: ive done both [04:47] Fair enough. [04:47] ubuntutudio installs [04:47] and vanilla with the upgrades [04:48] i prefer the vanilla with the upgrades for laptops anyways [04:48] It's a bit more than wishlisting for me since this is a notebook with no CD or DVD slot, to be fair. [04:48] i wouldnt worry about it [04:48] Meh. [04:48] I wouldn't use the video or graphics tools anyway. [04:48] I suppose this way I save some space. :p [04:48] my netbooks are all vanilla with packages added as needed [04:49] Cool. [04:50] I actually just reinstalled because I forgot to lock up my computer while toying with config files in a root prompt and thus kinda messed everything up. XD [04:50] hehe [04:50] hey, if you got the time [04:50] My younger brother knows just enough to be dangerous. [04:50] :v [04:50] and your data is backed up [04:50] Yep [04:50] i say, go for it [04:50] thats the way to learn [04:50] Mmhm [04:50] break it, and fix it up :) [04:50] Heh. [04:51] The kid needs his own netbook, I'm getting a touch tired of him toying with mine to figure out how OJ's shiny non-Windows system works. :P [04:51] yeah [04:51] maybe a USB install is in order [04:52] or a 'dual-boot' [04:53] Yeah, I actually have my USB stick partitioned off so that I can always boot from it to fix things if they break too much. In practice, it's really been more "move everything out, wipe, and reinstall" than "fix". [04:53] Oh well. [04:54] Hmm, you ever heard of this? https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/ [04:54] yeah [04:54] i use it [04:54] thats falktx :) [04:54] i use that with lucid [04:54] Ah cool. [04:55] im not a fan of KDE [04:55] but, falk is a great guy [04:55] really acitve [04:55] active* [04:55] his laptop died though [04:55] so he's down for the week i think [04:55] while the HD is off for warranty work [04:55] I've stuck with Lucid as well, since I have no idea what the hell happened to the interface when I tried the 10.10 from livecd. To be honest I don't like where the Ubuntu interface people are going anymore. -_- [04:56] eh [04:56] im trying to keep an open mind [04:56] 11.04 is all different [04:56] with unity [04:56] Theoretically. [04:56] but, i like the idea of it really [04:56] i dont think its going to work for ubuntustudio [04:57] but we'll see [04:57] we are talking about trying gnome3, unity, and XFCE [04:57] maye KDE too [04:57] I have to say, I should try 11.04 but one of my friends complained that it doesn't preserve virtual desktop layouts, which is a Dealbreaker. [04:57] get something set up for 12.04 hopefully [04:57] Hopefully. [04:58] orngjce223: you can run gnome [04:58] in 11.04 [04:58] Ah. [04:58] Mmhm [04:58] next release [04:58] it'll be unity only [04:58] but for now [04:58] when you log in [04:58] you can go to 'classic desktop mode' [04:59] See, I was thinking, it's not just about what I can select but also about what's the default, since I'm starting to install Ubuntu on other computers in this house as well and I need to be able to know how stuff works on them. [04:59] 11.04 is actually going to be great for audio [04:59] for US [04:59] Mmm. [04:59] but, lucid with falks PPA [04:59] thats quite current actually [04:59] Cool. [05:00] Yeah, I think I'm going to stick with the vanilla kernel on this thing, I use it on battery power enough that "performance" mode makes a difference. [05:02] orngjce223: i suggest trying it [05:03] its really getting good [05:03] we are testing [05:03] The PPA? [05:03] but, the gerneric kernel in natty [05:03] quite nice [05:03] and ive tested the gerneric kernel in maverick and lucid [05:03] not bad at all [05:03] IF it works for you, go for it [05:04] orngjce223: there are 2 kernels in falks ppa [05:04] from abogani [05:04] Mm. I'll take a look. [05:04] theres -realtime [05:04] and -lowlatency [05:04] -lowlatency is not unlike -generic [05:04] -realtime is the one that'll kill your battery [05:05] and whatever else [05:05] Ah. [05:05] at the expense of realtime :) [05:05] in a good way [05:05] if thats what you need [05:05] usually not necessary though [05:05] on my laptops and netbook [05:05] i have several kernel types [05:05] Mm. [05:05] and i just reboot with the -realtime one [05:05] if i need it [05:06] Oh yeah should I also point you towards some of the stuff I've done? I almost forgot to show off. :P [05:07] http://soundcloud.com/hesperidia [05:07] hehe [05:08] Mostly LMMS I have to admit, I need to branch out a bit more [05:08] nah [05:08] LMMS is cool [05:08] ive had a hell of a time with it in the past [05:08] and dont really use it much [05:09] orngjce223: nice stuff :) [05:09] But someone mistook "Sphere of Stars" for something made with Kontakt, which is $$$. I had quite a bit of fun telling him it was 100% free. :P [05:10] OK [05:10] i'll link you to a few things :) [05:10] http://holstein.bandcamp.com/track/breath [05:10] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg [05:11] im playing with these guys tomorrow [05:11] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/dingle/dingle.mp3 [05:12] this is an early rough mix of something we did [05:12] Cool. [05:14] :) [05:18] I'm saving up to buy one of those teensy little 25-key controllers for my laptop bag actually. I wonder how well those work? [05:18] i got a 49 [05:18] (Or if they do at all? Well, they probably do.) [05:18] i think it depends on what you want to do [05:18] i recently got a nice alesis qs8.1 [05:19] older hammer action weighed controller [05:19] Mostly sticking them into midi input so I can slightly accelerate the process of sticking in melodies. [05:19] weighted* [05:19] if you want to play it as an instrument at all [05:19] id say the 25 is not going to do it [05:19] I'm not as good with a real keyboard as I'd like to be, I have to admit. That's probably because the other piano I have is a massive wooden acoustic thing. [05:19] And I'm a computer person. :P [05:20] personally, i put it a few steps above qwerty [05:20] Honestly my main "instrument", if you could call it that, is epic whistling. [05:20] nice [05:21] is that you whistling on.. [05:21] clockwork? [05:21] no [05:21] thats an ocarina or something right? [05:21] penny whistle? [05:22] No, just lips. [05:22] Uh [05:22] Clockwork is a soundfont [05:22] Panpipes, I think. [05:23] my brother just got a 25 key usb keyboard [05:23] I need to get a good microphone before I consider actually using the sound, for one. [05:23] O I C [05:23] I'm trying to get a hold of it to try out some linux synthesizers :P [05:24] Hahaha. [05:24] Oddly [05:24] eh [05:24] vkeybd [05:25] and qwerty :) [05:25] lol didn't know about vkeybd :D [05:25] I'm a rather reductionist "if I can't hear the track and it doesn't contribute to the sound, it shouldn't be there" musician and one of my best friends is a trance artist. [05:26] I suppose it's interesting. [05:26] semitones: does he like it? [05:26] Me I need to figure out how to use effects /properly/. :P [05:27] holstein, he likes it a lot :D --- i mean he still wishes he could have gotten more keys, but cost was an issue [05:27] i think note entry [05:27] for MIDI work [05:27] it would be handy [05:27] and this definitely beats manual note entry [05:27] by a whoooole lot [05:28] qwerty has no touch sensitivity [05:28] i havent used my 49 since i got the weighted 88 [05:29] ooh, weighted [05:29] I don't doubt it, I want a weighted at some point, I don't play well on the dinky little plastic ones. :P [05:29] eh, if i had room/cash [05:30] id just have a piano [05:30] but i purchased pianoteq [05:30] and the pianos are nice [05:30] and the rhodes is killer :) [05:30] i've got to get better at keyboards -- i could never figure out how to make my hands do different things at the same time :P [05:30] i bought a 25 keyb one ages ago; just needed it for the knobs. but pity me - i've become better at this thing now :( [05:31] semitones: thats what the sequencers are for :) [05:31] you record one hand at a time [05:31] or in my case, one finger ;p [05:31] so i use one hand on the midikeyboard and one on the computerkeyboard at times =) [05:31] Hahaha. :D [05:31] lol nice [05:31] phed__: cool, like a qwerty organ ;) [05:32] don't need touch sensitivity for those pedal basses :p [05:34] alrighty folks [05:34] im getting horizontal [05:34] GN [05:35] Night then. [05:35] gnite [05:35] g'night [05:40] Wait, I have that kxstudio PPA installed and I am wondering whether I should be using the jackd package or the jack2 package, whether there'll be any conflict. [05:41] Hm? [05:41] orngjce223, You will only be able to use one or the other. [05:42] orngjce223, I recommend jackd2 [05:42] So, that means jack2? [05:42] orngjce223, Right. The package is called jackd2 [05:43] With jackd2 you get a few benefits that you don't get with jackd1 [05:44] Weird. The problem here is a bunch of dependencies with ardour and suchlike where if I uninstall jackd then everything else decides to leave the building. [05:44] orngjce223, Don't uninstall it. Just install jackd2 [05:44] jackd1 will be removed automatically [05:44] Uh, this is weird. [05:45] Okay, jackd2 marks a lot of packages upgraded, but jack2 doesn't install, is it supposed to? [05:45] (n00b time! wheee!) [05:45] orngjce223, Doesn't install? [05:45] Uh, I meant there's no dependency in either direction. [05:46] Am I supposed to install the two separately or can I leave the jack2 package unmarked? [05:46] What happens if you do: sudo apt-get install jackd2 [05:46] I'm doing this via synaptic so I can figure out which direction the dependencies lie [05:47] orngjce223, Just mark jackd2 for installation [05:47] Then apply [05:47] Okay, that's done. [05:48] The problem is it's described as an "empty compatibility package", so I am suspecting I have to do something else as well? [05:49] Don't think I've ever come across that sentence before. Did you install it yet? All the dependecies would have been marked automatically. [05:49] Yeah, I installed it and there /are/ no dependencies marked. [05:49] jack2 has all the dependencies, apparently. Derp. [05:50] orngjce223, When you marked jackd2, any dependencies would have been marked at the same time. That's how it works. Then you hit apply, and all packages get installed. End of story [05:50] Right. [05:50] * orngjce223 raises an eyebrow [05:51] I said I wanted to install the sound server and that was an empty package, so the sound server must be somewhere else, right? [05:51] What package did you mark? jackd2? [05:51] jackd2 Yes. [05:52] When I marked jack2 everything came along with it as you described. [05:52] jack2 is not an empty package, it's marked as the metapackage where everything else comes in. jackd2 is an empty package. [05:53] I know something's wrong here and it can't be the repository. [05:53] orngjce223, Let me check the KXStudio repo. I've never heard of a jack2 package [05:53] Only jackd2 [05:54] orngjce223, Ok. Seems like KXStudio has another name for it. My Bad. [05:54] Ah. [05:54] Fair enough. [05:55] jackd2 is what it's called in Debian and Ubuntu repos. [05:56] Ah. [05:56] That's interesting, then. [05:57] I suppose falktx would like it to be simpler for people to find the packages. I remember myself being not clear about what the jack package was called, when I started out [05:57] But, it also makes it a little confusing when he does that, if you ask me [17:59] * orngjce223 wants to shoot trouble, is anyone in here available? === frederickjh is now known as frederickjh_away === frederickjh_away is now known as frederickjh