[00:03] <apachelogger> well....
[00:03] <apachelogger> depending on once POV your day for celebration might have been ~9 months earlier
[00:03] <apachelogger> valorie: congrats eitherway :*
[02:11] <c2tarun> I upgraded to kde 4.6.2. its working fine but when I am shutting down, its transferring me to terminal, the same terminal which we get on pressing ctrl + alt +F2. why so?
[02:12] <ScottK> c2tarun: Fix is on the way.
[02:12] <c2tarun> ScottK: grt :)
[02:12] <ScottK> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/bugs/755570
[02:12] <c2tarun> ScottK: if anyone wants to fix this bug, then which kde application is responsible for this?
[02:13] <ScottK> kdm.  
[02:13] <ScottK> It's fixed in Natty already though.
[02:13] <ScottK> Someone just needs to add the patch to the package in the Maverick PPA.
[02:14] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/68834780/kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.6.2a-0ubuntu3_4%3A4.6.2a-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[02:14] <c2tarun> ScottK: is anyone onto it? I mean is anyone doing it for maverick?
[02:14] <ScottK> Dunno
[02:15] <c2tarun> is Riddell around?
[02:16] <c2tarun> ScottK: I can work on this if some one can provide me an ec2 of maverick. :/ waiting for Riddell
[03:15] <c2tarun> ScottK: the version in our backport is missing two patches. here is the series file from our bacport ppa http://pastebin.com/LXbjt13m and look at the series file in the patch you provided, there are two extra.
[03:16] <ScottK> OK.  Then it needs more of an update.
[03:16] <c2tarun> ScottK: so what should I do? get those patches, apply them and then upload to ppa?
[03:17] <ScottK> Yes
[03:19] <c2tarun> ScottK: if I replace the debian folder of backport version with the debian folder of natty version than it will fix all the problems I guess, will it be correct?
[03:19] <ScottK> No
[03:20] <ScottK> There may be differences between Maverick and Natty for good reasons.
[03:23] <c2tarun> ScottK: then this means the extra patches in natty may be natty specific, so I should just apply the patch to fix the shutdown problem.
[03:23] <ScottK> You should understand the other patches and see.
[03:24]  * ScottK needs to go.
[03:24] <ScottK> Good luck.
[07:17] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that the new plasma-mobile is not viable for 11.04 :'(
[07:18] <rbelem> Riddell, lots of backport is needed
[07:18] <rbelem> s/is/are
[07:19] <rbelem> should i go ahead?
[07:30]  * rbelem goes to bed
[07:30] <rbelem> 2am
[09:24] <bambee> morning
[09:24] <bambee> c2tarun: thanks to have backported the halt_cmd patch to maverick :)
[09:46] <c2tarun> bambee: morning :)
[09:46] <bambee> :)
[09:46] <bambee> hey
[09:47] <c2tarun> hi
[09:50] <c2tarun> bambee: that package took approx 5 hrs to build :P phewww....
[09:51] <bambee> once the package is built , please test it : 1) logout, 2) from a tty type: sudo restart kdm, 3) login, 4) try a shutdown => it should work
[09:51] <bambee> (ie kdm must be restarted after dist-upgrade)
[10:09] <c2tarun> bambee: let me install it first, then only I can test it.
[10:09] <bambee> c2tarun: that's why I said "kdm must be restarted after dist-upgrade" :\
[10:10] <bambee> ;)
[10:21] <c2tarun> bambee: what is tty?
[10:21] <bambee> c2tarun: ctrl+alt+F1
[10:22] <bambee> it's the console when you type ctrl+alt+F{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}
[10:22] <c2tarun> bambee: got it :)
[10:23] <bambee> (in fact tty is a unix command line... whatever...)
[10:25] <bambee> c2tarun: when you type ctrl+alt+f1 it's tty1, when you type ctrl+alt+f2 it's tty2... and so on... 
[10:25] <bambee> arrff disconnected :\
[10:29] <c2tarun> bambee: it worked :) bug fixed
[10:30] <bambee> c2tarun: wait
[10:30] <bambee> cool
[10:30] <c2tarun> bambee: ok
[10:30] <bambee> :)
[10:31] <bambee> c2tarun: now the package should be backported to kubuntu-ppa/backport, and then the bug can be marked as fixed
[10:31] <c2tarun> bambee: who can do that?
[10:32] <bambee> devs: by the way, we should ask a member to upload to kubuntu-ppa/backport ?
[10:32] <c2tarun> any kubuntu member here?
[10:32] <bambee> (we're just ninjas for now)
[10:32] <valorie> I am, but I don't know how to do that
[10:32] <valorie> :(
[10:33] <valorie> someone qualified will be along soon
[10:34] <c2tarun> why I am getting these grey patches on kubuntu ninjas page? http://imagebin.org/147445
[10:35] <valorie> ff being weird?
[10:36]  * valorie seeing cross-eyed anyway
[10:36] <valorie> niters
[10:40] <c2tarun> bambee: system building ppa packages are really fast, he package build in just 1hr :/
[10:47] <bambee> c2tarun: it all depends on what it builds, but yeah indeed it's fast :)
[11:27] <yofel> bambee: kubuntu-ninjas have upload rights to the PPAs...
[11:28] <yofel> c2tarun: so feel free to put the fixed package into backports (after making sure it works, which you did as I understand it)
[11:28] <c2tarun> yofel: rights to ppa means? for backport?
[11:29] <yofel> c2tarun: for all PPAs owned by ~kubuntu-ppa
[11:29] <c2tarun> yofel: yup, it worked, is there any way I can share it from kubuntu-ninjas/ppa? or I have to upload in kubuntu-ppa/backport?
[11:30] <bambee> yofel: I know... but I thought it was for members only :\
[11:30] <yofel> c2tarun: no, on the ninjas package details page there is a 'Copy packages' link, you can just copy the binaries from there
[11:30] <bambee> (don't ask me why... :D)
[11:30] <bambee> xD
[11:30] <c2tarun> bambee: :P
[11:32] <yofel> c2tarun: make sure you select 'Copy existing binaries' on the copy page
[11:32] <bambee> kdeplasma-addons and kdenetwork have been uploaded to revu (including patches which have been recommended on kde-packagers)
[11:34] <c2tarun> bambee: I thought revu is only for new packages. :/
[11:36] <bambee> it's almost a online review tool for packages... isn't it ?
[11:36] <c2tarun> yofel,bambee do you have any experience of development on android?
[11:36] <yofel> nope, I don't even have any device with android on it
[11:37] <c2tarun> hmm....
[11:37] <bambee> c2tarun: I just wrote and tested some codes... few months ago... but not really
[11:37] <yofel> good question, I've never used revu myself (as I never packaged anything from scratch)
[11:37] <bambee> (android => java => the hell)
[11:38] <c2tarun> bambee: :) in which language u like to code?
[11:38] <bambee> c2tarun: C/C++/python :)
[11:39] <c2tarun> bambee: grt :)
[11:42] <c2tarun> !revu
[11:42] <c2tarun> bambee: check this link ^
[11:46] <bambee> "If you packaged a new upstream version (of a package that is already in the archives), and you want to get it sponsored, do not use REVU to get it sponsored. Instead see SponsorshipProcess. " :\
[11:46] <bambee> my bad :)
[11:47] <yofel> if you want a graphical UI to review your changes use merge requests
[11:48] <yofel> as all packages in the archive are accessible with bzr in lp:ubuntu/<release>/<source>
[11:49] <bambee> interesting
[11:49] <yofel> although for our packages merging against the packaging branches would be easier
[11:54] <c2tarun> yofel: I proposed a kubuntu meeting today, I dont think anyone is going to come :(
[11:55] <yofel> c2tarun: errr.... you did??
[11:55] <yofel> I didn't get any mail about that
[11:55] <c2tarun> yofel: yup, I also mailed a doodle to kubuntu-devel mailing list, and I also updated the meeting page
[11:55] <c2tarun> !kubuntu-meetings
[11:56] <yofel> c2tarun: are you subscribed to kubuntu-devel? if not your mail probably got stuck in the moderation queue (that probably nobody checks)
[11:56] <bambee> yofel: so something like that is the right way ? :  bzr branch lp:ubuntu/kdeplasma-addons , then commit changes in my own branch, then request a merge 
[11:56] <bambee> ?
[11:57] <yofel> bambee: yes, for most packages in the archive, but we would just update the packaging in lp:~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu
[11:57] <c2tarun> yofel: I dont thnk that I am subscribed to kubuntu-devel. how can I get that subscription?
[11:57] <yofel> as we have seperate branches for that
[11:57] <yofel> c2tarun: on the mailing list homepage
[11:58] <yofel> c2tarun: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[11:58] <yofel> c2tarun: ok... now: we would first have to all enter our times in the poll so we can find a time to do the meeting
[11:59] <c2tarun> yofel: do you think that I should reschedule it?
[11:59] <yofel> I see you entered a time on the meeting page, but you also never updated the link for it
[11:59] <yofel> c2tarun: yes
[11:59] <bambee> okay so I will create branch from lp:~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu and request a merge then
[11:59] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I'll do that on doodle first
[12:00] <yofel> c2tarun: also, on the meeting page, please enter your details in the Candidates category too, not only in the items list
[12:01] <c2tarun> yofel: ohh...
[12:04] <bambee> This is not too early for me to apply for membership ? I mean, did I contribute enough ? I do not think so, imo... as I doubt I prefer ask
[12:04] <c2tarun> yofel: what date should I choose? I mean not too close and not too far.
[12:05] <bambee> (I can be wrong , in this case just blame me :D)
[12:07] <yofel> bambee: as said, we do require at least 2 months or continous contributions, usually it's 6 months... - you can always add yourself, but I haven't seen you around for *that* long TBH
[12:07] <yofel> c2tarun: no idea, I never organized a meeting
[12:07] <c2tarun> yofel: then how did you get kubuntu-membership? :/
[12:08] <yofel> c2tarun: I added myself to an already scheduled meeting?
[12:08] <bambee> TBH ?
[12:09] <c2tarun> yofel: :P well except bambee I never saw anyone here who is not kubuntu-member :/. still I think weeked is not good
[12:09] <yofel> to be honest, sorry
[12:09] <c2tarun> bambee: to be humble :)
[12:09] <c2tarun> oops honest :)
[12:10]  * c2tarun choosing friday.
[12:10] <c2tarun> yofel: except kubuntu-membership request is there any reason that a meeting gets scheduled?
[12:13] <bambee> personally I prefer wait :)
[12:13] <yofel> iirc the last meeting was originally to dicuss the creation of ~kubuntu-packagers, and if you read the meeting minutes you'll see we discussed other things too
[12:17] <c2tarun> yofel: please see the PM.
[12:19]  * bambee is reading the meeting minute
[12:40] <Quintasan> Anyone is using Dvorak keyboard layout here?
[12:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: What do you want me to put in that UDS Specs page?
[12:43] <c2tarun> Quintasan: ping you ever worked on develping any android application?
[12:43] <Quintasan> c2tarun: nope
[13:26] <yofel> bambee: just remembered we had an introduction to UDD in devel week https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[13:45] <bambee> yofel: indeed, thanks
[14:45] <bambee> "Using default stacking branch /~neon/kdeplasma-addons/trunk " => wtf ? o_O
[14:46] <bambee> (I just used bzr branch ubuntu:kdeplasma-addons then I created another branch locally...)
[15:05]  * c2tarun natty is good :) it detected my wifi driver :)
[15:09] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how can I check in natty that my graphic card driver is installed or not? In additional drivers its not showing my ATI driver :/ it does in maverick
[15:15] <jussi> Hrm, just came across a muon problem? or maybe another issue: http://imgur.com/WfnOJ
[15:18] <c2tarun> jussi: what about kde-control module? I thought it was older package manager for kde.
[15:20] <yofel> c2tarun: KCM are parts for systemsettings, not a package manager
[15:21] <yofel> and you probably mean kpackagekit, and adept is very old
[15:21] <c2tarun> yofel: so muon is the only package manager?
[15:21] <yofel> no, kpackagekit is our default package manager, muon shows more information
[15:21] <c2tarun> yofel: ohh..... :)
[15:22] <yofel> jtechidna: ^
[15:22] <jtechidna> jussi: It's a bug in APT
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> bug 716599
[15:36] <ScottK> nixternal: Can haz powerpc?
[16:28] <emgent> heya
[16:28] <emgent> what is the best package repo for ARM architectures?
[16:38] <ScottK> Standard Ubuntu repositories.
[17:13] <jussi> JontheEchidna: thanks, nice to know you have noticed it also.
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> jussi: it seems to happen when you have a package marked for something, and a newer version becomes available when you check for updates
[17:14] <jussi> JontheEchidna: hrm, sounds a bit strange. 
[17:14] <jussi> was a bit weird, I upgraded to natty, and now Im getting both muon and kpackagekit updaters in the systray
[18:14] <bambee> wow... I have received 88 e-mails  in my inbox about "translations template imports" ... o_O
[18:15]  * bambee has something going with rosetta...
[18:15] <skfin> filter "translations template import" -> Ctrl+A -> Delete
[18:15] <skfin> -> problem officer?
[18:16] <bambee> skfin: good idea
[18:17] <skfin> :)
[18:32] <Riddell> bambee: launchpad translations just loves to spam no matter how much we complain
[18:32] <bambee> Riddell: arrf
[18:32] <Riddell> there's a bug for it somewhere
[18:36] <bambee> one e-mail just for the package source is sufficient, imho
[18:39] <yofel> just ignore it, as I do for all the mails about successfull recipe builds...
[19:12] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: around? i'm sort of in a fix
[19:13] <shadeslayer_> and ... OMG .. Qt compiles on clang
[19:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: what's up?
[19:18] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: PM :)
[20:40] <jussi> jtechidna: my troubles are not yet over :( now apt broke on me :/
[20:40] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592289/
[20:41] <yofel> erm, why are you killing the lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock when var/cache/apt/archives/lock is locked?
[20:44] <jussi> whoops
[20:44] <jussi> I didnt even read it properly, thanks for pointing that out (and I didnt know that there were 2 locks :/ )
[20:45] <yofel> the apt cache lock makes sure you don't try to download the same deb twice, the dpkg lock makes sure you don't cripple the database
[20:46] <jussi> yofel: ahh, thank you
[21:29] <bambee> http://www.ubuntu-gallery.com/?cat=50 <--- lovely
[21:53] <debfx> bambee: thanks for packaging the patches, uploading them now
[21:53] <bambee> you're welcome :)
[21:53] <bambee> both are on revu
[21:55] <bambee> debfx: patches are correctly named ?
[21:59] <debfx> bambee: yep, the names are good
[21:59] <bambee> ok :)
[22:23] <bambee> good night
[23:43] <debfx> apachelogger: ping
[23:44] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[23:46] <debfx> apachelogger: I've come up with these changes to make the desktop file translations work for non-kde apps: http://paste.kde.org/10343/
[23:47] <debfx> what do you think of it?
[23:48] <apachelogger> debfx: i'll have a look at it tomorrow
[23:48]  * apachelogger is doing homework right now :)
[23:53] <debfx> apachelogger: tomorrow morning? :)
[23:53] <debfx> I'd like to sneak it in before beta freeze
[23:54] <apachelogger> I'll be up before 9 CEST, so yes morning :P
[23:58] <debfx> great, thanks