[00:09] <aguitel> i tried fedora 15 with gnome3 and it looks fine
[00:10] <ubuntu> how can i listen to music on m y windows partition from the live cd?
[00:10] <ceed^> Earluer today I aksed about a problem I have where the screen is mostly black and slowly comes back to life after inactivity when I click the mouse or keyboard. I have to move a program window around to get the screen working again. It looks like this: http://i54.tinypic.com/30d9q1h.jpg
[00:11] <ceed^> It does not happen when compiz is disabled, but it does happen under classic gnome with compiz.
[00:12] <ceed^> and under Unity of course
[00:44] <dan___> hello guys, ihave the following problem: after updateing last week on my ideapad u350 laptop, keyboard and mouse wont work, on gdm login screen i can not type or move the mouse at all, can anyone pls help?
[00:46] <ceed^> dan___, does it crash as soon as you move the mouse?
[00:47] <dan___> no
[00:47] <dan___> i cant move the mouse at all
[00:47] <dan___> when i plugin an usb mouse it works tho
[00:47] <dan___> but i have to use nscreen keyboard ;)
[00:48] <ceed^> there was a problem after an update early last week with synaptic touch pads. if you moved the mouse on the gdm screen, or even after logging in x crashed, but this doesn't sound like that problem then.
[00:49] <dan___> when i login
[00:49] <dan___> in the "systray" or whatever its called
[00:49] <dan___> i have a touchscreen icon with a stop symbol in it
[00:49] <ceed^> dan___, do you know what kind of touchpad it is? Synaptic?
[00:50] <dan___> i think so
[00:50] <dan___> how do i start the onscreen keyboard?
[00:50] <dan___> when i am logged in?
[00:50] <ceed^> dan___, never done it, sorry
[00:51] <ceed^> I'm on a laptop and have never used an on screen keyboard at all.
[00:54] <dan___> quicksynergy saves the day
[00:55] <dan___> lets run an update and see what happens
[00:56] <ceed^> dan___, there's been two synaptic updates lately. the keyboard is another story though.
[00:56] <dan___> hopefully an updte will fix it
[00:56] <dan___> last update went a bit wrong
[00:56] <dan___> some icons missing aswell
[00:56] <ceed^> yea, it's difficult when bugs in a development version kills mouse and/or keyboard
[00:58] <dan___> weird is
[00:58] <dan___> that i got logged in withunity
[00:59] <dan___> instead of normal desktop
[00:59] <dan___> not nice
[01:01] <ceed^> dan___, gotten used to unity. works for me it seems.
[01:02] <dan___> i dont like it
[01:02] <dan___> but to be honest, i havent tried it out for more than 5 minutes
[01:02] <ceed^> no? The lack of taskbar irked me a little to begin with. Now I don't care
[01:02] <dan___> but as long as i can switch to whatever i want, i dont mind
[01:02] <ceed^> true
[01:03] <dan___> well i dont like to have the menu of windows in the bar like on the macos
[01:03] <torchie> love it!
[01:03] <dan___> if i wnated a macos, i would install one
[01:03] <dan___> annoys the hell out of me
[01:03] <ceed^> I've always used simple desktops. used fluxbox/blackbox for a long time.
[01:03] <dan___> but again, as long as i can switch to whatever i want its fine and i dont have to deal with it
[01:03] <dan___> i used fluxbox a long time, rocked back then :)
[01:03] <torchie> man this os has icons on the desktop
[01:03] <torchie> windows has icons on the desktop
[01:04] <torchie> if i wanted windows I'd install windows
[01:04] <ceed^> torchie, If I wanted Windows I would wonder what has happened to me :)
[01:04] <dan___> its a little more than that torchie and oyu know that
[01:05] <dan___> statrs with click behavour changed recently, over icons on the other side of the window right tll the wallpaper
[01:05] <dan___> anyhow i dont have to use it that way, so dont care that much, click behaviour is irritating tho
[01:06] <dan___> sooo
[01:06] <dan___> updating almost done, rebooting the laptop, wish me luck
[01:06] <ceed^> I use Linux for work now, so it has to work. No natty on my work computer
[01:06] <ceed^> good luck dan
[01:09] <dan___> hm needs to update again
[01:09] <dan___> ok
[01:09] <BajK> did the text console font change in natty?
[01:09] <BajK> i don't have the "default bios font" on tty1-6 anymore
[01:11] <dan___> same for me
[01:18] <wers> how do you call the upper left element with the Ubuntu logo on Unity?
[01:18] <wers> Ubuntu button?
[01:19] <dan___> so
[01:19] <dan___> rbeooting
[01:20] <ceed^> dan___, good luck again
[01:20] <dan___> fschk
[01:21] <dan___> *wainting* :O
[01:21] <dan___> heurak
[01:21] <dan___> works again
[01:21] <ceed^> dan___, cool!
[01:22]  * ceed^ likes when it works regardless of what it is
[01:22] <dan___> yeah
[01:22] <dan___> hehe
[01:22] <ceed^> works works for me :)
[01:25] <thiebaude> http://pr09studio.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-10-4-wallpaper-pack-156483358
[01:27] <thiebaude> sorry posted that in the wrong forum
[01:39] <torchie> "acpi is not installed"
[01:39] <torchie> should I be worried
[02:22] <ripps> torchie: acpi is just a commandline tool that gather information, you can install it with `sudo apt-get install acpi`. I typically use it to check my cpu temp `acpi -t`
[02:24] <digitalfiz> So i have this weird issue. When compiz crashes it rearranges all the desktops its so aggrevating
[02:52] <tarvid> any chance of getting unity to run on my Acer laptop?
[02:54] <Azelphur> yes.
[02:55] <tarvid> Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[02:55] <genec> tarvid: have you tried a live CD yet?
[02:56] <tarvid> running Natty
[02:56] <tarvid> On boot, says I don't have the hardware to run Unity
[03:00] <wers> touchpad doesn't work on MacBook Air 11"
[03:00] <wers> any idea?
[03:01] <Logan_> the computer isn't on
[03:33] <piero> Hi! Can I trust in gnome3-team ppa security?
[03:37] <syn-ack> no
[03:38] <syn-ack> considering PPAs should never be considered "safe"
[03:38] <syn-ack> They even tell you that when adding said PPA
[03:51] <ajin> hey, guys
[03:51] <bazhang> hi
[03:52] <ajin> bazhang: OMG! I see you again
[03:53] <ajin> you are in channel #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 simultanously
[03:53] <bazhang> and many others as well ajin
[03:53] <rizanoar> look like unity is suck,,,,
[03:55] <ajin> rizanoar: why
[03:55] <rizanoar> i'm still love gnome DE than unity
[03:55] <ajin> rizanoar: why did you say so?
[03:56] <rizanoar> its my own opinion
[03:56] <ajin> have you been using it?
[03:56] <rizanoar> yes
[03:56] <ajin> :-D
[03:57] <ajin> i just learned that logic that if i read about some negative opinions about ubuntu unity, that won't count
[03:58] <rizanoar> so
[03:58] <rizanoar> .
[03:58] <ajin> this logic presumes that any others' opinion is booshit!
[03:58] <ajin> what a GREAT logic
[03:58] <bazhang> ajin, watch the language.
[03:59] <rizanoar> hahah,,,
[04:03]  * psusi watches the language... yep, still English ;)
[04:04] <ajin> ***psusi: sorry, what do you mean by "still English"?
[04:05] <psusi> ajin, that we're speaking English... was a joke... "watch the language"... well, ok... I watched it and it looks like English to me...
[04:05] <rizanoar> hahaha
[04:05] <ajin> psusi: ok
[04:06] <ajin> watch the language also makes sense
[04:06]  * psusi wonders if the language is going to do something unexpected soon and watches closely to see if he starts speaking swaheli or something
[04:06] <ajin> since the language here is printed
[04:07] <rizanoar> @psusi: >:-)
[04:11] <ajin> my HD has a load cycle problem on ubuntu battery mode
[04:12] <psusi> ajin, what do you mean?
[04:12] <ajin> so i've been wondering whether should i keep using ubuntu
[04:13] <rizanoar> its just ACPI problem
[04:13] <ajin> well, my HITACHI hard drive's load & unload cycle growing too fast
[04:13] <ajin> under ubuntu
[04:14] <psusi> technically it's got nothing to do with ACPI... how fast is too fast?
[04:14] <ajin> about 4-5 times per minute
[04:15] <ajin> under battery mode
[04:15] <psusi> you realize that most laptop hard disks are designed to handle several hundred thousand cycles right?
[04:15] <psusi> at a minimum
[04:16] <ajin> yes, designed about 600,000 cycles life
[04:16] <psusi> also it is the drive that decides it should unload its head, so if it's choosing to do that, the manufacturer thinks it's safe
[04:17] <ajin> ok, thanks
[04:18] <ajin> i think i should do some changes to the HD arguments once HITACHI release the new version of feature tool
[04:58] <ubuntuguy> ANyone here a unity developer?
[04:59] <ubuntuguy> Anyone know which new features will be added to ubuntu 11.04?
[04:59] <ubuntuguy> currently on the beta
[05:47] <nlsthzn> hi... anyway to reset the interface in natty to default... been running since alpha and want everything to look like a fresh install
[05:52] <hasenj> question/problem: I have no "audio input" device under sound preferences, what can I do?
[05:55] <torchie> you can't install i386 applications on x86_64?
[06:09] <hyungrok> Hi, has anyone here had problems with running DrRacket (a Scheme IDE) under Unity?
[06:09] <hyungrok> It seems to run fine under vanilla GNOME (i.e., Natty's ‘Classic’ mode), but doesn't work when I enable the Unity plug-in in Compiz.
[06:57] <ubuntuguy> Anyone here a unity developer?
[07:13] <randal> hey does anyone know why ls comand doesent work in terminal
[07:15] <ripps> randal: it should, try reinstalling coreutils
[07:15] <randal> ripps, ill try tha
[07:15] <randal> that*
[07:17] <randal> ripps,  thanks works now
[07:18] <randal> :D
[07:19] <randal> hey im having problems with this command to etract a file thats in my home folder
[07:19] <randal> ripps, hey im having problems with this command to etract a file thats in my home folder
[07:19] <randal> ripps randal@randal-1008HA:~$ tar jxf firefox-4.0tar.bz2 -C $HOME
[07:21] <ripps> randal: what kind of error does it give?
[07:22] <randal> ripps tar (child): firefox-4.0tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[07:22] <randal> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[07:23] <sagaci> when installing third party .debs on natty through the software centre, i'm always getting "package is of bad quality"
[07:23] <ripps> randal: maybe you misstyped. Most files end with  *.tar.bz2, your file is missing a . between the 0 and tar
[07:23] <randal> ripps oh crap i missed that dot lol
[07:23] <ripps> you can use the tab key to autocomplete names in the commandline
[07:23] <ripps> I typcally never type more than 4 keys of a files name
[07:23] <randal> ripps i never new that thanks
[07:26] <randal> ripps im trying to install firefox 4 but not doing so well do you know how?
[07:26] <ripps> randal: it's already installed in natty. You don't need to worry about it.
[07:27] <randal> ripps i want the newest one i thought it had 3.6 on here
[07:28] <randal> ripps,  i just checked its firefox 4 doh lol
[07:28] <ripps> randal: if your using Ubuntu 11.04 beta, than firefox 4.0~rc2 should be installed
[07:28] <randal> well thanks anyways
[07:28] <ripps> if you want newer firefox builds, checkout #ubuntu-mozilla for how to install the latest firefox builds from PP
[07:28] <ripps> *PPA
[07:29] <wolter> i finally found the solution to my unity problems
[07:29] <wolter> makes me feel stupid though...
[07:29] <randal> ripps,  do you know how to get the old menu system back (top left of screen
[07:30] <dazappa> when I try to run the 11.04 installer, it gives "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141"
[07:30] <wolter> randal, using ubuntu classic session?
[07:30] <dazappa> the only references to this I can find are supposedly fixed bugs
[07:30] <randal> wolter,  i am but its still not the same its like a mac mixed in witch i think is crap you know when you open programs you and file edit and stuff but now its on the top bar i hate it
[07:30] <ripps> randal: logout, than when your at the login screen, select your account. At the bottom of the screen will be a session menu. Select Ubuntu Classic
[07:31] <wolter> randal, then you have the global menu applet installed i'd say
[07:31] <randal> wolter im confused
[07:31] <ripps> randal: I think you have to remove indicator-appmenu and appmenu-gtk.
[07:32] <randal> ripps ill try that
[07:32] <ripps> Although, that might break your desktop, so be weary
[07:33] <randal> ripps im testing out im fine if it brakes if i disapear you know i broke lit :p
[07:33] <ripps> randal: just make sure you have an ubuntu livecd so you can reinstll if things go wrong
[07:33] <randal> ripps,  ya i got one
[07:34] <randal> it has a ! mark in the sysnapic package manager its probly going to brake lol
[07:36] <randal> ripps is there a reload command for gnome to see if it changed anything
[07:36] <ripps> randal: just login and logut
[07:36] <randal> im lazy ok
[07:36] <wolter> randal, perhaps not uninstall it, but remove from applet.. can you?
[07:37] <torchie> whoa!
[07:37] <torchie> rhythmbox just took down the whole system maaaan
[07:37] <randal> wolter how would i try that
[07:37] <ripps> wolter: the appmenu is an indicator, so I think it needs to be uninstalled to be removed. Although I could be wrong
[07:37] <torchie> and now banshee's acting funny
[07:38] <wolter> ripps, randal: I was using globalmenu, wasn't very aware of appmenu
[07:38] <torchie> should I be worried if the error dialog calls the app "Banshee.exe"
[07:38] <wolter> but now I removed globalmenu, and have added the appmenu to the panel. it is removable with a right click
[07:38] <randal> wolter ripps so should i just uninstall and hope for the best
[07:38] <wolter> torchie, nah... its because Banshee is coded in Mono C#
[07:38] <wolter> which defaults to naming executables .exe
[07:38] <torchie> oh ok
[07:39] <wolter> randal, if I were you, I would try to remove with right click
[07:39] <torchie> yeah before I was using rhythmbox but finally got the restricted codecs on
[07:39] <randal> ok
[07:39] <torchie> but I've been playing files off a corrupt microSD, heh
[07:39] <randal> brb then
[07:39] <ripps> wolter: but don't you still need to change a variable in gtk, otherwise the windows will still be missing there file menus
[07:39] <ripps> *their
[07:39] <wolter> ripps, yeah, i'm trying to find it hehe
[07:41] <torchie> oh god now firefox isn't starting
[07:41] <torchie> I think I just destroyed everything somehow
[07:42] <wolter> lol
[07:43] <randal> wolter ripps ok it worked but now on top it says no indicators do you know how i could revert it back to the old one form 10.10 (applications system places)
[07:44] <ripps> randal: right click the panel and select add applet
[07:45] <ripps>  I don't remember what the applet was called. Something like System Menu Custom or something
[07:45] <randal> ripps lol i just relized you could do that that means i didnt need to uninstalled it but it worked still
[07:45] <ripps> You'll have to remove the other main menu applet afterwards
[07:46] <randal> ripps ya i got it to how i like and it works thanks
[07:46] <rwhittle> both my ethernet controlleres *mysteriously* disappeared in a over night update
[07:46] <randal> ripps i hate the new design of ubuntu what do you think?
[07:47] <ripps> randal: it's kinda hard to get used to. I don't mind the dock that much. But yeah, I'd prefer no top panel whatsoever. I used a custom wingpanel in Maverick instead of gnome-panel
[07:48] <randal> ripps i see i just like the classic 2 bars one on top and one on bottom and non of this compact crap
[07:48] <rwhittle> do you think natty hates me ?
[07:48] <rwhittle> i was expecting apparmor
[07:49] <randal> ripps i also miss the old human look i know i can still get it but its difficult
[07:49] <randal> ripps well thanks for your help i have to go now
[07:49] <ripps> personally, I always hated human and ubuntu's themes in general. I like my theme's cold and dark. So I use Elegant-Gnome. Looks pretty good in Unity too
[07:50] <randal> ripps i often use my own themes but after so many year with the od human i started to like it
[07:51] <randal> ripps whats unity
[07:51] <ripps> I'm just not that fond of warm color schemes
[07:52] <ripps> randal: Unity is the default interface for Natty. It's basically a complex plugin for compiz, the opengl compoisitor
[07:52] <ripps> The panel, dash, and dock are all unity
[07:52] <randal> thats the defalt on ubuntu right?
[07:52] <ripps> !unity
[07:52] <ripps> randal: correct
[07:53] <wolter> randal, once you remove the indicator appmenu from the panel, you should be able to (and even after the removal) add the main menu applet
[07:53] <wolter> randal, oh i saw you got set up, great
[07:54] <randal> wolter,  ya its working good
[07:54] <randal> ripps im going to check out Elegant-Gnome see what its like did you get it from gnome-look
[07:55] <wolter> ripps, unity is the big failure brought to 11.04
[07:55] <ripps> yes, it also has a PPA with configuration/custumization program
[07:56] <ripps> wolter: I think the dock has potential, but everything is still way too buggy and the file menu panel is just not that intuitive.
[07:56] <randal> ya i hate just more crap to remove when i upgrade lol
[07:56] <randal> is Elegant-Gnome hard to install it looks awsome
[07:56] <wolter> ripps, yeah, it does have a lot of potential, but I think they'd be better off with a more polished docky!
[07:56] <wolter> which is what unity was somewhat intended to be..
[07:57] <randal> ripps, is Elegant-Gnome hard to install it looks awsome
[07:57] <ripps> wolter: technically, it is. The Unity dock was written by the the core docky developer
[07:57] <wolter> ripps, yeah but I say so because I find docky so much more functional... it does everything unity intends and more (with the helpers/applets)
[07:57] <ripps> But it's very different, becuase it was written as a compiz extension, not an independent program. So I say give it few releases.
[07:58] <wolter> ripps, and its a lot more dynamic, you can put it where you want to, use it as a panel.. have animations for it..
[07:58] <wolter> ripps, yeah at first I was very excited with unity but all these bugs and the obligation to have the panel to the left right didn't make me so happy
[07:59] <ripps> Ubuntu's mistake is using these so early after conception. I would have given it another release cycle to perfect it's features before trying to integrate it into the operating system
[07:59] <wolter> yeah
[07:59] <randal> ripps wolter ya i think they should of just made it an option to use it not make a default
[08:00] <urgodfather> is anyone in here an op?
[08:00] <wolter> i heard they may not release natty with it as default
[08:00] <wolter> i think
[08:00] <wolter> urgodfather, not urgodfather
[08:00] <addi> guys, there is no way right now to install v11 with WUBI?
[08:00] <PAPALOOO> hi
[08:00] <urgodfather> lmao
[08:00] <ripps> Of course, this isn't an LTS release, so I suppose they wanted this think tested up the whazoo before they can feel confident for 12.04 LTS. Then they can focus the next 3 release after that to hopefully replace X with Wayland
[08:01] <wolter> add1 11.04?
[08:01] <PAPALOOO> try the new daily build
[08:01] <randal> ripps,  whats wayland
[08:01] <addi> wolter, yes.
[08:01] <PAPALOOO> i have a question
[08:01] <wolter> ripps, well, I am so excited for wayland.. too bad its far ahead
[08:01] <wolter> PAPALOOO, general irc rule: just ask
[08:02] <wolter> addi, hm, woulnd't know, have you googled it?
[08:02] <PAPALOOO> i dont know
[08:02] <ripps> randal: next generation desktop server that will replace the X display server that's been used by Linux for decades
[08:02] <PAPALOOO> THe difference between 11.04 10.10 10 04
[08:02] <ripps> has OpenGL and Kernel Mode Setting in it's core
[08:02] <addi> wolter, yes, doing that now. noticed Ubuntu's website says there is a bug so it's not recommended..
[08:02] <wolter> PAPALOOO, they are different releases.. have different features and different versions of packages
[08:02] <wolter> basically...
[08:03] <PAPALOOO> ok and what is the best for my new pc
[08:03] <randal> ripps interesting how do you install Elegant Gnome btw
[08:03] <urgodfather> can an +op please /msg
[08:03] <urgodfather> men
[08:03] <urgodfather> me*
[08:03] <wolter> addi, yeah the beta is not a good decision... i downloaded and am using the classic desktop because the new one was so buggy
[08:03] <wolter> PAPALOOO, if its new, I bet 10.10 its the best choice
[08:03] <ripps> randal: easist method. Install the elegant-gnome ppa and install it's package. Just find the Elegant-Gnome page on gnome-look for instructions
[08:04] <addi> hmmm, okay, maybe I'll stay away for now..
[08:04] <wolter> well, I'd say 10.10 is the best choice anyway
[08:04] <PAPALOOO> but 10.10 only one year support :(
[08:04] <randal> ripps how do you install a ppa
[08:04] <randal> ripps, is that in sysnapic package manager
[08:04] <wolter> PAPALOOO, 11.04 will be released in 20 days
[08:04] <wolter> randal, thats no longer used, you can use the software center > software sources
[08:05] <randal> wolter,  realy i always use that
[08:05] <ripps> I'm keeping Unity, I can deal with the bugs, and my desktop isn't even my primary computer anymore. I spend most of my computing time with my ChromeOS cr-48 from Google, and using my desktop as a web server with apache.
[08:05] <wolter> randal, but the best way (in my opinion) is open up a terminal and run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:(ppa address)
[08:05] <wolter> ripps, haha i don't get the point in chrome os
[08:06] <ripps> wolter: it's chrome, as the os. what's not to get.
[08:06] <randal> wolter well if you give me the exct code ill do that :)
[08:06] <wolter> ripps, why not use an operating system, and not just a browsing system?
[08:06] <wolter> randal, it depends on what ppa you wish to add...
[08:07] <randal> elegant gnome i think
[08:07] <ripps> I enabled dev-mode (rooted) and it's basically a lightweight linux system. I can ssh into my desktop whenever I want. And use apache web apps to control and stream my music downloads and torrents.
[08:07] <ripps> randal: details on how to install the ppa on the elegant-gnome page on gnome-look.org
[08:07] <wolter> randal, and is there a ppa?
[08:07] <ripps> wolter: yes, I'm the one that told him about
[08:08] <ripps> Although... now that I think about it, it probably doesn't have a package for natty.
[08:09] <torchie> the appeal is in the boot times apparently
[08:09] <randal> i figured it out
[08:09] <torchie> but how often do people reboot
[08:09] <ripps> wolter: I spend most of my time just cruising the internet with chromium. Using my cr-48 isn't much different, except I can do while laying on the couch
[08:10] <torchie> chrome os's software design choices don't show in the cr-48's hardware design
[08:10] <wolter> torchie, yeah i thought about that too
[08:10] <ripps> I only ever really use my desktop when I want to watch some videos (cr-48 hardware is too crappy for it)
[08:10] <torchie> the macbook air is thinner, lighter, smaller and boots quick as hell despite running a full operating system
[08:11] <torchie> though from advertisements they claim chrome os' feature is to make computers completely disposable
[08:11] <erghezi>  ‎i want remove ASP.NET page from content type. is there any way?  http://ubuntuone.com/p/lr5/
[08:11] <ripps> I hear the cr-48 is a dream when you hack it to run ubuntu, but I'm a pilot tester for google. It feels kinda wrong to not be testing it.
[08:11] <torchie> since everything is in the cloud you can just throw your cr-48 off a cliff and get to work by logging into another one
[08:12] <torchie> but google apps don't save state...
[08:12] <torchie> do they?
[08:12] <ripps> torchie: yes, I've completly wiped the cr-48's harddrive serveral times, and after signing your account back up, it's like you nothing ever happend
[08:13] <torchie> do all the tabs get restored as in last session?
[08:13] <ripps> torchie: I don't remember, that might be a local setting. But it can easily be resolved with an extension that saves you tabs as bookmarks.
[08:14] <torchie> are your extensions restored?
[08:14] <ripps> I think session saver does that
[08:14] <ripps> torchie: yes. apps/extensions/passwords/settings are all saved in the cloud
[08:15] <ripps> and bookmarks of course
[08:15] <ripps> in fact alot of extensions use bookmarks to save there settings so that they aren't lost
[08:18] <ripps> the boot time on th cr-48 is quick, but really, I only ever reboot when I'm fixing something I messed with in the root terminal or when a new update as been installed (about once a week in dev-channel). What's great is the suspend/resume time. It's practically instantaneous
[08:20] <wolter> still prefer a normal computer
[08:21] <ripps> I didn't mind much, since I was pretty much a terminal junky to begin with. and since the cr-48 comes with ssh, even without rooting. I can't access my irc and work on my packages and projects on the cr-48
[08:21] <ripps> *can access
[08:22] <urgodfather> does anyone know how to fix sound in chatzilla
[08:24] <urgodfather> anyone?
[08:25] <wolter> doesn't chatzilla have an irc channel? you might get some answers there
[08:26] <wolter> ripps, oh well then i guess that makes a point haha
[08:26] <wolter> i'm definitely a gui guy
[08:26] <perscitus> Who will be using Unity in Natty
[08:26] <dkam_> ey guys - using 11.04  and "host localhost" returns 1 correct entry and 2 host not found.  I've updated nsswitch so 'hosts' is just files and dns. Any idea where host is looking?
[08:26] <urgodfather> wolter, i googled
[08:27] <urgodfather> no luck
[08:27] <ripps> wolter: actually, I'm looking forward to the gtk3 html5 backend. Then I can probably run gtk apps in the browser.
[08:27] <wolter> ripps, wow, didn't know about that!
[08:27] <wolter> urgodfather, perhaps it has something to do with alsa and dvsp and pulseaudio
[08:27] <ripps> but I can always run normal desktop apps on the cr-48 using ssh X11 forwarding
[08:28] <wolter> try installing an app called padsp
[08:28] <wolter> and then running, in the terminal padsp chatzilla
[08:28] <wolter> ripps, oh but that must be so slow
[08:28] <wolter> or not?
[08:29] <ripps> wolter: depends on the app. I commonly use x11 forwarded gmpc (mpd client) to control my streaming music.
[08:29] <ripps> since gmpc doesn't do alot of redrawing, it works like it was an application i was running locally
[08:30] <urgodfather> i had to do seamonkey instead
[08:30] <ripps> don't try to open a browser though. that'll just kill the connection
[08:30] <urgodfather> said chatzilla isnt found
[08:30] <ripps> okay, im off to watch some tv shows i downloaded
[08:30] <ripps> ttl
[08:31] <wolter> kthanxbye
[08:31] <wolter> jk haha
[08:32] <wolter> urgodfather, well i was supposing chatzilla was an app on its own, and that a binary called chatzilla was in the $PATH
[08:32] <wolter> but if i remember well, it was a plugin right?
[08:33] <rwhittle> that doesn't work for me
[08:33] <rwhittle> gmpc
[08:34] <torchie> :x
[08:34] <urgodfather> wolter, still no luck
[08:34] <torchie> finding hp dv6000 bugs dating as far back as 2007
[08:35] <urgodfather> i even asked in #chatzilla
[08:35] <wolter> urgodfather, you run chatzilla from firefox?
[08:35] <torchie> think i'm just gonna keep this on the charger and never reboot and run ubuntu classic forever
[08:35] <urgodfather> they said it was nsISound::beep() not working.
[08:35] <urgodfather> seamonkey
[08:35] <wolter> urgodfather, and does sound work on seamonkey in general?
[08:35] <urgodfather> i guess
[08:35] <urgodfather> dunno
[08:35] <urgodfather> i only use seamonkey for chat silla
[08:36] <urgodfather> chatzilla*
[08:36] <wolter> urgodfather, could you test sound in any other way? If sound in seamonkey doesn't work, maybe running padsp seamonkey would do the job
[08:37] <urgodfather> i did padsp seamonkey
[08:37] <urgodfather> dont know what was supposed to happen but nothing did
[08:37] <torchie> anyone ever trust libreoffice with a graph in a docx
[08:37]  * torchie fingercross
[08:38] <rwhittle> both my ethernet controlleres *mysteriously* disappeared in a over night update
[08:38] <wolter> torchie, what do you mean?
[08:38] <rwhittle> how do i fix that ?
[08:38] <torchie> well I've just been having troubles with this table alone
[08:38] <rwhittle> fedora ?
[08:39] <torchie> every time I open this document the table changes its width to something that goes beyond the margins of the paper
[08:39] <torchie> and I have to keep going into table settings and set it to 100% relative
[08:40] <wolter> torchie, oh yeah, it happens to me too :s
[08:41] <torchie> oy
[08:41] <torchie> would love to try lotus symphony but no i386 on x64!
[08:42] <Swatinem> Hi, I’m having problems with the proprietary nvidia drivers.
[08:42] <Swatinem> according to dmesg, the driver claims my gpu is not supported whereas the readme says it should be
[08:43] <Swatinem> its a 8600m GT, so it should really be supported by nvidia-current
[08:44] <wolter|away> Swatinem, it is supported, i have that one same gpu :O anyway, iam away now
[08:45] <Swatinem> but the dmesg output claims otherwise
[08:45] <Swatinem> I have no idea what to try next
[08:46] <Swatinem> i’ve already tried experimental nouveau but that didn’t work either
[09:23] <ubuntu_mad> hi
[09:23] <ubuntu_mad> I have an unmet dependencies issue in 11.04
[09:23] <ubuntu_mad> can someone help?
[09:26] <zmolnar> hi! I have a weird Natty problem, I can use it only wireless, whenever I plug the net cable in it freeze in a few seconds, has anyone of you seen anything like that?
[09:43] <theTroy> wifi keeps dropping even after latest update. I cannot seem to install the maverik-wifi-backport modules,since it depends on the previous kernel, which is not in repos for natty. Any help please?
[09:43] <happy_sadist> This is the ubuntu help channel?
[09:44] <arand> !natty
[09:44] <arand> happy_sadist: This is support for the development version, for the stable, use #ubuntu
[09:51] <sin-bad> Hi. I tried making a usb key with the latest Natty image. I wasn't able to boot and the error was can't find medium on /dev/sr0. Has anyone had the same problem?
[09:52] <rww> alternate or live ISO?
[09:52] <sin-bad> live ISO
[09:53] <rww> which program did you use to put the ISO on the USB stick?
[09:54] <sin-bad> I used create usb startup disk from the system menu
[09:57] <sin-bad> That would be the system menu on Maverick
[10:14] <robbit10> Can GNOME 3.0 be installed in Ubuntu 11.04 without breaking Unity or not?
[10:18] <wers> how do I enable utouch?
[10:20] <wers> it says here http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Unity/Touch/WindowMove that initiation is with three finger touch, but there doesn't seem to be an option for that on ccsm
[10:26] <Anubis> i installed 11.04 in virtualbox (4.0.4) but for some reason the unity is not working. do i need hw/graphic acceleration in order to run unity ?
[10:27] <rww> yes
[10:27] <Anubis> rwww: i see. thanks.
[10:28]  * Debolaz is actually quite happy with Unity. (I wasn't in the previous release)
[10:59] <ubuntu_mad> can someone help  me with an unmet dependencies error
[11:41] <Narc> Hey folks. When I look for an offline contact in Empahty and right click on it to see previous conversations, the window that opens keeps growing ever larger, until X restart. Nvidia drivers. Anyone else having this ?
[11:41] <Jerub> des anyone have a solution for the combination of unity and focus follows mouse?
[11:44] <Jerub> you can't access the menus at the top of the screen because focus shifts.
[11:56] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey. When i active the proprietary NVidia driver that is recommended in the Additional Drivers program, changing the screen light (both via the keyboard and the power-management->dim display when idle) breaks. It works fine with the nouveau driver and without either. Is this a known issue, or should i consider reporting it
[11:57] <arand> Do search launchpad for dupes, and do report.
[11:59] <censor> hi all
[12:00] <censor> i've upgraded from maverick to natty and added the gnome3 ppa, now i got serious issues with the keyring - it doesn't save any passwords anymore. is this a known bug?
[12:02] <yofel> ChrisBuchholz: I have the same problem with my notebook, I need to add
[12:02] <yofel> Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1"
[12:02] <yofel> to the Device section in xorg.conf to have brightness control with the nvidia driver
[12:02] <yofel> there's a thread in the nvnews forums about that too IIRC
[12:03] <ChrisBuchholz> yofel: i will give it a try
[12:04] <Tigerplug292> good morning
[12:05] <Tigerplug292> I'm having some issues with nVidia card on 11.04 its telling me that I dont have the hardware to run unity
[12:08] <ChrisBuchholz> yofel: i works, thank you very much and good day, sir
[12:08] <yofel> :)
[12:09] <Tigerplug292> any help with nvidia-xconfig ?
[12:19] <erghezi> ‎why nautilus cant show folder size for me? http://ubuntuone.com/p/lsS/
[12:19] <erghezi> ‎folder (inode/directory)
[12:23] <IdleOne> erghezi: shows you the size next to Content
[12:23] <IdleOne> 41.9MB
[12:31] <erghezi> ‎IdleOne: oh soorry :D  in amarok and totem , i cant jump to specific time so i think so perhaps file is damaged !
[12:39] <Saamm> anyone successful in creating adhoc wifi network in natty? I am not able to work it out
[12:42] <alexanderal> How do I install Gnome3 on Ubuntu?
[12:43] <Daekdroom> alexanderal, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[12:43] <Daekdroom> But I must warn you that it breaks GDM, Unity, among other stuff.
[12:44] <alexanderal> Yep.. heard of that :/
[12:44] <alexanderal> but thanks!
[12:45] <penguin42> gdm works for me with that
[12:45] <Saamm> any irc channel where i can contact natty kernel team?
[12:45] <penguin42> Saamm: #ubuntu-kernel but probably quite quiet at the weekend - but what's the question?
[12:46] <Saamm> this bug driving me crazy....Bug #741174
[12:46] <Saamm> sorry wrong one Bug #756482
[12:47] <penguin42> ah you're going to have to find one who knows wireless stuff as well - I'm guessing that's only a few people
[12:48] <Saamm> ok..i am trying on kernel channel
[12:48] <penguin42> Saamm: Have you tried the latest upstream yet?
[12:49] <Saamm> sorry i don't get you i am new to ubuntu
[12:49] <penguin42> Saamm: OK, so the first thing the kernel guys will ask you is whether the bug also happens on the latest daily kernel; they're here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[12:52] <Saamm> penguin42, should i try daily build?
[12:52] <penguin42> Saamm: Yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelMainlineBuilds for some more instructions
[12:53] <Saamm> penguin42, is there a changelog or something...on wiki its written that it can damage your system and no guarantees
[12:54] <penguin42> Saamm: It's pretty huge changelog - but it is the bleeding edge kernel so any really bad breakages might not have been found yet
[12:54] <penguin42> Saamm: It's latest - so it might have a really recent fixes that fixes your problem - or a really recent breakage; that's choice!
[12:54] <Saamm> penguin42, uhm can you gimme link to changlog
[12:55] <penguin42> Saamm: No, I'm not sure there is one that's easy to get - I could get a changelog from git between two versions but then you'd also have to add subtract the ubuntu changes - not too easy
[12:56] <Saamm> penguin42, oh all right....nevermind but thanks for the help :D
[12:57] <Saamm> penguin42, i am scared to try daily kernel xD
[12:57] <penguin42> Saamm: I'd say it's worth trying
[12:57] <penguin42> I mean you're trying the Beta that could break anything anyway!
[12:58] <Saamm> penguin42, i am also using pae kernel but its not on ftp
[12:58] <penguin42> ah ok
[12:59] <Daekdroom> The snap plugging is no longer accepting clicking on the titlemenubar and dragging as a way to unmaximize :(
[13:02] <torchie> synaptic is pretty chill
[13:02] <torchie> I'd have a beer with it
[13:07] <arand> Well the mainline is built from Linus's tree isn't it, so http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary
[13:07] <arand> Aw, shucks
[13:15] <IdleOne> arand: /msg ubottu !kernel  -- added ref to !mainline there also thanks to help from LjL
[13:15] <IdleOne> thanks for the factoid suggestion
[13:15] <arand> IdleOne: =)
[13:18] <penguin42> arand: True - although that doesn't include what you're losing from the stuff Ubuntu patched into the one he's currently using
[13:19] <penguin42> arand: And lets face it, trying to look down that list to see if anything will break your system is hard work!
[13:20] <arand> penguin42: Yes, indeed. though I'm not sure there is any better way though.
[13:33] <trigrou> I am not able to keep emacs in the launcher
[13:33] <trigrou> each time I reboot I lost it
[13:34] <nicofs> Where do I go with WLAN related driver issues?
[13:34] <trigrou> I have to put it again at each reboot
[13:34] <IdleOne> trigrou: right click > keep in launcher is not saving?
[13:35] <trigrou> IdleOne, exactly, for other application it works but not for emacs
[13:35] <IdleOne> hmm
[13:35] <IdleOne> I suppose you use emacs a lot. maybe add it to startup applications?
[13:36] <trigrou> Yes I use emacs all the time but the point is that I want it in the launcher because of the shortcut
[13:37] <trigrou> meta 2 run or focus emacs
[13:37] <trigrou> in fact I want it in the launcher only because of the global shortcut
[13:37] <IdleOne> Don't know how to help besides telling you to report a bug.
[13:38] <trigrou> ok I wanted to check if other people has the same problem :)
[13:39] <IdleOne> possibly, hang around for a while. quiet Sunday and all that :)
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:52] <nicofs> I have a network issue - i get kicked out of networks frequently - can't connect to some - and my network manager eats up my cpu. i suspect the driver is malfunctioning. what to i do?
[14:08] <LBo> Hi all. Is it possible to always show the global menu?
[14:08] <LBo> It now only becomes vissible when I hover the cursor over it
[14:29] <delac> LBo: You mean the Launcher on the left?
[14:30] <LBo> delac: no the application menu (File, Edit, etc.)
[14:33] <delac> LBo: oh, well, don't know about that. it's called indicator-appmenu. maybe that helps you to find the answer
[14:34] <LBo> delac: ok, thanks
[14:39] <cha0s2358> can someone tell me why since I upgraded to 11.04 beta My update manager is installing a butt load of kde applications?
[14:40] <jiohdi> cha0s2358, did you not have them already installed?
[14:41] <cha0s2358> no. well not that I noticed. It was my understanding that kde was kubuntu format and wouldnt run under ubuntu
[14:41] <jiohdi> kde apps work just fine under all forms of ubuntu
[14:42] <jiohdi> kde desktop however is not the same thing
[14:42] <cha0s2358> ok. well I did not know that.
[14:42] <jiohdi> kubuntu is just kde desktop and some selected kde apps
[14:42] <cha0s2358> i assumed it was seperate programming languages
[14:42] <jiohdi> each desktop has some collection of default apps, but they will run each all of them
[14:43] <cha0s2358> good to know. thank you
[14:43] <jiohdi> example, icewm, the smallest footprint on cpu, defaults to pcman for filemanager
[14:43] <jiohdi> while xfce uses thunar
[14:43] <jiohdi> and kde uses nautilus
[14:43] <jiohdi> but you can use all three on any of them
[14:44] <cha0s2358> cool. I had seen a few apps in software center that i wanted but didnt download and install becase they were kde
[14:44] <jiohdi> they will work just fine
[14:44] <cha0s2358> thank you.
[14:44] <jiohdi> as long as you have enough ram and such
[14:44] <cha0s2358> one final question.
[14:44] <delac> kde uses dolphin, not nautilus
[14:45] <jiohdi> delac, I was about to say that, but I thought it irrelevant :)
[14:45] <jiohdi> gnome uses nautilus
[14:45] <cha0s2358> oh and i have 4 gigs so thats fine. but question is when beta 2 is released will my update manager automatically upgrade to it or will i have to go through the same steps i used to upgrade from 10.10 to beta 1?
[14:46] <jiohdi> just let the update manager do its thing and you will find yourself in each new addition until the final version
[14:46] <jiohdi> no need to do anything else
[14:46] <cha0s2358> ok great. Thanks for the information and have a good day
[14:47] <jiohdi> np
[14:47] <jiohdi> really the fastest way to get to the new version
[14:47] <jiohdi> if you are willing to stand a few pre-bugs
[15:18] <saege> hey, is there any option to minimize a window by clicking on its icon in the unity launcher?
[15:29] <alaa_> hello
[15:29] <benzaldehyde> alaa_: hello
[15:29] <alaa_> can someone please help me with an issue in ubuntu one,...
[15:29] <alaa_> well i have just upgraded to natty and i had 1 picture in the sync folder "pictures" while the pictures folder in the cloud had tons of files,and now when i started to sync the pictures folder again to download the images from the cloud to the PC,it asked me to "merge" it,....and when i said yes all the files in the pictures folder in the cloud are gone and only 1 picture uploaded to my ubuntu one in the pictures folder,....any idea how to recover the files
[15:29] <alaa_> in
  the picture folder in ubuntuone ? or are they gone for good ? !
[15:34] <alaa_> any ideas ?
[15:34] <benzaldehyde> alaa_: i am sorry that happened, i do not know what to tell you
[15:34] <alaa_> great :( :( :(
[15:35] <benzaldehyde> alaa_: the term merge to me means to copy so why the files in cloud would have deleted is very odd
[15:35] <IdleOne> alaa_: ask in #ubuntuone
[15:35] <IdleOne> maybe they can help
[15:35] <IdleOne> but it seems you may have lost those files I hate to say.
[15:36] <alaa_> yeah seems so
[15:36] <benzaldehyde> alaa_: do you have a dropbox account?
[15:36] <alaa_> i have another PC at work thats synced and hope the files should me on it.
[15:36] <IdleOne> alaa_: does ubuntu one have a Trash folder? maybe they aren't permanently deleted right away
[15:36] <alaa_> no
[15:37] <ceed^> After one of the latest compiz updates it leaks memory like there's no tomorrow. Starts out at 50mb and after a couple of hours it's 500 mb and it stays there. Anyone else seen this?
[15:37] <alaa_> no
[15:37] <benzaldehyde> alaa_: you might give it a try, they give out 2 GB of space and the backing up of anything you drop into it locally is sent to be mirrored remotely in your dropbox and i believe you can make some public and not public at your discretion
[15:40] <ceed^> Come to this of it, the leak may be in the Unity plugin.
[15:41] <alaa_> no i dont have a dropbox account :(
[15:41] <alaa_> alright since am here already,.....
[15:42] <alaa_> i gotta say,.....
[15:47] <alaa_> in the ubuntone app in ubuntu theres a an option to sync folders localy,.....if u checked that while u have different files in the folders it asks  for "MERGE" but it doesnt actually merge anything it replaces everything across the PC and the cloud (atleast that what happened to me),so.....just to give you all ubuntuone devs,mentainers,..etc a heads up.
[15:49] <delac> alaa_: please file a bug about that so that they may change the wording to something more clear
[15:49] <alaa_> exactly
[15:49] <alaa_> i will
[15:54] <benzaldehyde> alaa_: email clients have an area to choose whether or not to keep email on the server after downloading or to delete them, it is a pretty straight forward setting. you might tell them to do likewise
[15:55] <jamesklyne> any know how to remove the stupid workspace switcher icon from the side dock?
[15:56] <benzaldehyde> jamesklyne: right click unlock, remove
[15:56] <jamesklyne> does not work no menu on rt click
[15:57] <jamesklyne> i tried that alot in all places of the icon :)
[15:57] <jamesklyne> i cant even change its position of it either (11.04)
[15:58] <benzaldehyde> jamesklyne: on that note i shall open this mammoth-sized bad of pretzels
[15:58] <benzaldehyde> *bag
[15:58] <jamesklyne> haha
[16:00] <Paddy_NI> So has a decision been made as whether Unity will be default on 11.04?
[16:00] <Paddy_NI> *as to whether or not
[16:01] <IdleOne> yes
[16:01] <IdleOne> it will
[16:01] <benzaldehyde> IdleOne: and yet i will still use fluxbox
[16:02] <IdleOne> unless you see otherwise on Canonical's blog, Unity is default for 11.04
[16:02] <jbicha> jamesklyne: there's no easy way to remove any of the bottom 4 icons in the launcher
[16:02] <jbicha> that's by design
[16:03] <Paddy_NI> IdleOne: Is it still crashing?
[16:04] <jamesklyne> not on me
[16:04] <IdleOne> Paddy_NI: don't know I am running 11.04 with classic desktop
[16:04] <IdleOne> runs fine for me
[16:04] <jamesklyne> jbicha thanks i saw a bug report for it after searching
[16:05] <Paddy_NI> yeah I hear that from 2 or 3 people.. for everyone else not so much
[16:05] <Paddy_NI> Anyway I intend on actually using my netbook to do so so unity wont be going near it
[16:05] <Paddy_NI> * to do stuff
[16:06] <jbicha> Unity still has some polish & crasher bugs but it's quite usable
[16:06] <jamesklyne> i have it on my laptop and love it, but yeah its beta
[16:06] <Paddy_NI> just about usable is not acceptable for me
[16:06] <Paddy_NI> works or does not work.. that is about the height of it
[16:07] <benzaldehyde> Paddy_NI: likewise
[16:07] <Paddy_NI> benzaldehyde: yeah it's a simple philosophy :-)
[16:08] <jbicha> it works Paddy, some design decisions could be tweaked
[16:08] <Paddy_NI> jbicha: Like what.. I have not used it since they created the qt variant
[16:09] <Paddy_NI> Curious to know what's going on?
[16:09] <jbicha> I don't like how the applications & files & folders buttons take up valuable space on the launcher
[16:10] <jbicha> it's too late for 11.04 for decisions like that to be changed
[16:10] <neglesaks> ?question - any suggestions on how to fix the freeze at login screen for 11.04 beta with the last few days' updates?
[16:10] <Paddy_NI> ah... where would you have them jbicha ?
[16:10] <jamesklyne> is it that hard to copy "stacks" :P
[16:11] <Paddy_NI> lol
[16:11] <Paddy_NI> would like weird with a vertical bar would it not?
[16:11] <Paddy_NI> *look
[16:12] <jbicha> Paddy_NI: there are a few different mockups but something like this: http://unity.exemo.net/3/ where they show up when you open the dash
[16:12] <jamesklyne> like a sideways ipad folder when is open maybe?
[16:12] <Paddy_NI> click
[16:13] <jbicha> neglesaks: what do you mean freeze at login? I haven't had that problem
[16:13] <Paddy_NI> I have my mother using Jolicloud on her netbook jbicha
[16:13] <Paddy_NI> jbicha: she loves it
[16:14] <Paddy_NI> jbicha: no indicator-applets or appmenu though :-(
[16:14] <neglesaks> i've heard it applies only to some systems; related to a kernel update. I get a frozen screen as soon as the login window with my usernal appears. the system does not rtespond to any input whatsoever
[16:14] <neglesaks> nor can i drop out to TTY via ctrl-alt F1
[16:14] <Paddy_NI> neglesaks: tried restarting gdm when it is like that
[16:14] <Paddy_NI> oh
[16:14] <jamesklyne> i think the right click menus that come up on the dock icons look nice, just let me stick some icons in one for organization
[16:15] <Paddy_NI> jamesklyne: Icons in the context menus
[16:15] <Paddy_NI> sounds noisy
[16:15] <neglesaks> The system worked fien from ALpha 2 and up time last week. When i updates the OS (did NOT use partial upgrade), and rebooted, it started behaving like this
[16:16] <jbicha> yeah, gnome turned off icons in menus a while back
[16:16] <Paddy_NI> neglesaks: that was perhaps your problem
[16:16] <Paddy_NI> neglesaks: you did not update it properly
[16:16] <Paddy_NI> jbicha: yeah I prefer it actually
[16:16] <Paddy_NI> keep it simple
[16:17] <jamesklyne> not icons next to the text, i want "stack" like submenu i can drag my favorite crap inti
[16:18] <Paddy_NI> hmm.. yeah perhaps there will be a plugin for that
[16:18] <jamesklyne> but i like fancy :) maybe notso productive though
[16:18] <Paddy_NI> once it stabilizes I wonder just how good the plugin api will be
[16:20] <jamesklyne> it would be nice to if when you rt click on home icon, the top of the menu list was as it is, then a separator, then the subfolders of home listed
[16:20] <lizard1> hi all
[16:21] <lizard1> i have some ploblems, please help me...
[16:21] <jamesklyne> hello
[16:21] <jamesklyne> what are they?
[16:21] <lizard1> 1st - i lost my gnome-desktop
[16:22] <lizard1> after log-in no panels or icons
[16:22] <lizard1> only desktop image
[16:22] <lizard1> no right-mouse-menu too
[16:22] <lizard1> work only alt_ctrl_del
[16:23] <lizard1> and alt+ctrl+bspace
[16:24] <lizard1> xubuntu session start normall
[16:24] <lizard1> kubuntu session not start too
[16:24] <jbicha> lizard1: is this your first time using Ubuntu 11.04?
[16:24] <lizard1> yes
[16:24] <jbicha> click the Ubuntu button in the top left of the screen, Ubuntu 11.04 has a significantly different interface
[16:25] <alaa_> just alittle an off topic question,....how safe is drop box in-comparison to ubuntu one ? (i totally trust ubuntu one)
[16:25] <lizard1> yestersday after upgrade all was work normal - today will ask for update and after reboot this begun
[16:25] <lizard1> yesterday i have oly one prompblem with sound
[16:26] <lizard1> but here me help solve it
[16:26] <lizard1> but today it's return
[16:26] <arand> alaa_: Well I don't think either is really much more or less trustworthy, dropbox has been around for longer, and would proably have had more time to make sure they can  be trusted, I guess...
[16:26] <lizard1> but more important return gnome..... please
[16:27] <arand> lizard1: If you mean dropping unity, no, that is not likely to happen, there will be ubuntu classic, if you need it.
[16:27] <lizard1> unity is alternative for gnome?
[16:28] <lizard1> well, by where my start-menu and panels?
[16:28] <jamesklyne> there is no start menu
[16:28] <arand> lizard1: Do you have the top left corner ubuntu logo?
[16:28] <jamesklyne> per se
[16:28] <lizard1> no
[16:28] <lizard1> empty desktop image
[16:28] <jiohdi> lizard1, one of the defaults is like all apps
[16:29] <arand> Right, then that is some bug.
[16:29] <hkfreedom> Unity is cool, but it take some times to familar with it.
[16:29] <jiohdi> that is your new start menu
[16:29] <hkfreedom> I just brought a intel 40G SSD, it is lighting fast in 10.10, but I cannot install 11.04 on it, it crashed in the middle.
[16:30] <benzaldehyde> hkfreedom: use alternate
[16:30] <jamesklyne> i have 11.04 in a 60gb corsair ssd
[16:30] <jiohdi> if you do not like unity, and you want something ultra light I would suggest using iceWM and docky... changing icewm to the top, docky now works without compositing in 11.4 so it does not take up half the bottom screen and the combo works well
[16:30] <arand> lizard1: Does ctrl+alt+del let you log out?
[16:30] <lizard1> yes
[16:30] <arand> lizard1: Can you log into the classic session?
[16:30] <lizard1> no
[16:31] <jamesklyne> hkfreedom: i havent had any issues with it.
[16:31] <hkfreedom> benzaldehyde: alternate?
[16:32] <lizard1> i have "ubuntu@" "ubuntu-classic" "ubuntu-gnome-shell" "xubuntu"
[16:32] <hkfreedom> jamesklyne: are you using 64bit version?
[16:32] <jamesklyne> yes'
[16:32] <lizard1> 1st and 2nd can not log in
[16:32] <lizard1> 3rd as i say
[16:32] <lizard1> 4th normall
[16:32] <jamesklyne> he means alternate install disc?
[16:32] <hkfreedom> jamesklyne: Anyway, I will try it out later
[16:32] <jamesklyne> i used the daily build
[16:33] <jamesklyne> the first iso i used failed
[16:33] <jamesklyne> but it failed on a hdd too
[16:33] <hkfreedom> jamesklyne: oic. my new system is busy for work recently, so I will wait for 11.04 launch then try again :)
[16:34] <jamesklyne> goodluck
[16:34] <hkfreedom> when will 11.04 offical launch?
[16:34] <arand> lizard1: Well something is oing wrong, I don't know what though
[16:34] <arand> !natty
[16:35] <hkfreedom> Thanks.
[16:36] <neglesaks> ? - any way to stop the boot sequence on a GRUB2 system and drop out to CLI?
[16:37] <nperry> neglesaks: Hold shift, choose recovery option, then choose drop to shell..
[16:38] <neglesaks> Thank you!
[16:38] <Paddy_NI> Hey I know this may be the wrong channel but do the Elementary team have an IRC channel?
[16:38] <Paddy_NI> got it
[16:39] <nperry> #elementary
[16:39] <nperry> Oh, sorry, late.
[16:39] <nperry> Afternoon all..
[16:39] <nperry> Sat up in the summer house with laptop while watching a movie..
[16:39] <nperry> **insert comment about weather being good**
[16:44] <jamesklyne> lizard1: do you have nvidia gfx?
[16:45] <lizard1> yes
[16:48] <rocky> with the new unity/nautilus/whatever interface .. .how do i create an application shortcut that launches inside a terminal ?
[16:49] <jiohdi> rocky, on desktop you can chose create new launcher and under properties chose inside terminal
[16:49] <jiohdi> once created you can deposit it anywhere you like
[16:49] <rocky> jiohdi: oh i see it, thanks
[16:49] <jamesklyne> darn i found a bug report with lizard1 problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/756492
[16:50] <jamesklyne> but he left
[17:17] <mikehh> synaptic package manager keeps crashing on me
[17:19] <mikehh> I am finding all natty amd64/i386 and Kubuntu exceedingly unstable at the moment
[17:20] <mikehh> in fact I can;t get Kubuntu to run at all
[17:20] <kella> Is there any way to disable the alert from disk utility that "a disk is reporting problems" ?
[17:20] <yofel> rather odd as kubuntu runs perfectly fine here
[17:21] <yofel> haven't used synaptic at all though since muon was invented
[17:22] <mikehh> yofel: I installed Kubuntu amd64 a few days ago - got it working, and the last couple of days can't get it to boot
[17:22] <mikehh> ran dpkg from recovery - still fails
[17:22] <yofel> where does it stop?
[17:22] <mikehh> straight after log in
[17:23] <mikehh> displays some info on console and then just hangs
[17:23] <yofel> urgh, could you get a ~/.xsession-errors file after such a failed attempt? The errors file from the previous login is kept in ~/.xsession-errors.old
[17:26] <mikehh> yofel:  - 4th line -> x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed
[17:26] <yofel> ok, I have no idea what that means...
[17:26] <mikehh> yofel: me either :-}
[17:27] <yofel> or rather why the hell x-terminal-emulator would crash so soon
[17:27] <penguin42> mikehh: Anything in dmesg?
[17:29] <ceed^> Ah my compiz bug just got confirmed. Would hate it if it was my puter :)
[17:31] <delac> any way to hide Most Frequently Used and Apps Available for Download from Dash?
[17:33] <mikehh> penguin42: not that makes any sense - seems ok
[17:34] <penguin42> if you want to post it we can see if it makes sense to use
[17:34] <mikehh> penguin42: there does not seem to be any errors there
[17:34] <penguin42> ok
[17:39] <ivancp> Hello everyone
[17:40] <ivancp> do you know if the bug #629444 is solved in 11.04 version?
[17:42] <ivancp> thankyou!
[17:44] <mongy> When playing a song in banshee, can I stop it notifying me of song change when I use the sound menu to skip back/forward?  I know what song is playing whe nusing sound menu, so a notification is not needed.
[17:44] <mongy> I realise this is a feature used when the app is not in focus...
[17:48] <wzssyqa> #1
[17:49] <wzssyqa> ivancp: it's a bot
[17:51] <wzssyqa> ubottu: #1
[17:52] <yofel> # does nothing, you need to use bug or lp
[17:53] <ivancp> thank you for you help... I will download the new version the it is released..
[17:53] <wzssyqa> yofel: o, thx, i am "talking" with it privately now
[18:32] <dupondje> wooow :)
[18:32] <dupondje> Installed Gnome3, but doesn't look like nice :(
[18:33] <syn-ack> dupondje, Congrats, you just broke Unity as well
[18:34] <dupondje> I knew :)
[18:38] <dupondje> Any idea how I can fix my windows ? Seems like all screens are with no skin
[18:38] <dupondje> ugly looking :P
[18:38] <syn-ack> Don't know. I don't run Gnome3
[18:55] <bullgard4> mongy: What do you mean by "sound menu"?
[18:55] <mongy> the volume icon
[18:55] <mongy> in indicator menu
[18:56] <dupondje> mmm weird
[18:56] <dupondje> :(§
[18:57] <mongy> its a minor annoyance really..   not too worried about it
[18:57] <bullgard4> mongy: I am sorry. My Banshee 2.0.0 does only have the menus Media, Edit, View, Playback, Tools and Help. No more.
[19:01] <mongy> mine too.  Im just saying, when a song is playing, and you use the sound menu controls to go back/forward it notifies you when changing track..which is normally ok, if the app is on another desktop or minimised, but I dont need to see a notification if I am looking at the sound menu which also tells me whats playing
[19:03] <syn-ack> mongy, Understood
[19:04] <dupondje> Nobody here on Gnome3 ?
[19:04] <dupondje> :)
[19:05] <coz_> dupondje,  you will never catch me using it :)
[19:06] <bullgard4> dupondje: I did not dare to install it yet.
[19:13] <syn-ack> I'm not going to install Gnome3 until I get up the motivation to build a bare VM for such a task
[19:26] <salty-horse> is there a way to download the package update-manager will download in advance, to help speed up the process when I actually upgrade? (I know some stuff will be out of date, but it will reduce the time I need to be near the machine when upgrading)
[19:29] <bullgard4> salty-horse: What strange things are you trying to accomplish?
[19:29] <Paddy_NI> Is it possible to get overlay scrollbars on maverick?
[19:30] <bullgard4> Paddy_NI: This channel is no Maverick.
[19:31] <Paddy_NI> Yes I know, you are stating the obvious
[19:32] <salty-horse> bullgard4, ugprading usually involves several hours of downloading and then a few hours where things are installing and then pausing to ask me questions in random packages that overwrite config files in /etc. I want to make the download process a bit faster. I thought to reduce that time by downloading some packages and setting a new local data source in apt to fetch them from
[19:34] <bullgard4> salty-horse: Too complicated for me. I just download erverything which Download Manager offers.
[19:34] <salty-horse> oh well :)
[19:36] <smallfoot-> in synaptic, if you have removed packages and want delete leftover configfiles, thne apply button isnt ther ein synaptic
[19:37] <penguin42> hmm very pointy narwhals on the installer
[19:38] <delac> salty-horse: I think you need to use apt-get with -d parameter. It might also work for upgrade but I'm not sure...
[19:38] <trism> salty-horse: you can use the alternative cd to supplement the upgrade, then you only need to download the packages not on the cd (although depending on the install, can be quite a bit) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD
[19:39] <salty-horse> trism, I missed that, thanks! also, fix your browser to use %20 when copying URL's :D
[19:47] <mongy> desktop locked up.. gah.
[20:15] <Tigerplug292> need to get my nvidia card working with 11.04 .. any help?
[20:16] <bjsnider> it should work unles it's old
[20:16] <bjsnider> the 173/96 drivers don't work  yet
[20:16] <Tigerplug292> bjsnider, ... no luck so far and it worked with 10.10
[20:16] <bjsnider> yeah but what card is it?
[20:16] <Tigerplug292> bjsnider ... I keep getting a prompt saying that  I dont have the hardware to support unity
[20:16] <Tigerplug292> lemme check the exact name
[20:17] <Tigerplug292> bjsnider, GeForce 8500 GT
[20:18] <bjsnider> just use jockey to install nvidia-current
[20:18] <Tigerplug292> bjsnider, sorry - I'm pretty new - jockey?
[20:19] <bjsnider> hardware drivers manager
[20:19] <Tigerplug292> ah thanks for your help
[20:19] <esco> hi, im using 11.04 alpha 3 and i want to upgrade to the beta 1, can i do this through the terminal, or do i need to download an iso and install it that way?
[20:21] <yofel> !final | esco
[20:23] <iceroot> esco: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:24] <arand> Don't dist-upgrade unless researched......
[20:26]  * BUGabundo hugs aptitude
[20:27] <mongy> really not sure if I like those new scrollbars or not yet... give it some time.
[20:27] <arand> Well, don't full-upgrade unless researched is equivalent :þ
[20:30] <arand> These overlay scrollbars require compiz don't they?
[20:37] <jussi> ok, Im getting a bit of a problem here.
[20:37] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592289/
[20:37] <jussi> Ive tried this:
[20:37] <jussi> !aptfix
[20:38] <jussi> but no dice. anyone know how to fix it?
[20:41] <ceed^> anyone here using Evolutio on fully updated natty?
[20:41] <benzaldehyde> jussi: did you try killall
[20:41] <ceed^> *Evolution
[20:41] <Logan_> !anyone | ceed^
[20:41] <jussi> benzaldehyde: last I remember you shouldnt kill it because it leaves it in a bad state. thats what the fuser command is for iirc
[20:42] <ceed^> There's no use asking it if no one active here right now uses Evolution. Anyhow, after some updates yesterday calendars doesn't work in Evolution, so I wondered if anyone else has experienced this?
[20:42] <piero> When the final Natty is delivered, my upgrade from 10.10 will be as good as a fresh install from stratch?
[20:43] <benzaldehyde> jussi: not to mince words but are you talking about a hung apt-get?
[20:43] <yofel> jussi: as said in the other #, you killed the lock on the wrong file
[20:44] <yofel> and are you *sure* nothing else is installing something? as the apt cache should only be locked while downloading/installing pkg
[20:44] <yofel> *pkgs
[20:45] <rww> piero: theoretically
[20:46] <Guest5612> anyone know how to adjust the tool bar on Natty
[20:46] <Guest5612> like are there options fo rit
[20:46] <piero> rww, cool. Personally, I think my home dir is the worst problem when upgrading to a new version, because it have a lot of config files from outdated programs. Should I delete my configuration files?
[20:47] <rww> piero: if you'd like. I usually do.
[20:47] <delac> Guest5612: you mean the Launcher on the left or menubar on the top panel?
[20:47] <piero> thanks rww
[20:47] <Guest5612> well the one on the left
[20:47] <delac> Guest5612: do you have compiz-config-settings-manager installed?
[20:48] <Guest5612> yeah that is but I am not locked in to using it
[20:48] <delac> Guest5612: the settings that affec the Launcher are in the Unity plugin
[20:49] <Guest5612> ahh ok
[20:52] <benzaldehyde> jussi: i closed a terminal window durring an apt-get install once and had to kill it to use the package manager, didn't seem to cause any harm but if you are worried you could shutdown -rF now
[20:52] <jussi> benzaldehyde: Ive got it sorted thanks.
[20:53] <benzaldehyde> jussi: that is good how though
[20:53] <benzaldehyde> *great/awesome
[20:54] <jussi> benzaldehyde: I was using the correct command, but the wrong path (the lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock was the one I was using fuser on, but var/cache/apt/archives/lock was locked)
[20:54] <Guest5612> so i shut off that plug in and now I cant pull up any apps
[20:55] <benzaldehyde> jussi: i see, sorry about that i did not see your pastebin file until after suggesting kill all and not wearing my goggles :) just woke up
[21:02] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: i do not know if this is of much use to you but i had to change a LANG setting to get the 'calendar' command functioning
[21:03] <ceed^> benzaldehyde, it worked fine Friday, but when I opened it today Evolution got grey and unresponsive for 30 secs and there's no entries in any of the calendars including local.
[21:11] <delac> Guest5612: um, most likely. Unity is responsible of most of the desktop enviroment you see. Got it back?
[21:19] <ceed^> benzaldehyde, where do you change the LANG setting? In Evolution?
[21:29] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: i do not know. you wouldn't happen to have the time?
[21:30] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: specifically though i was talking about the CLI command 'calendar' nothing to do with evolution
[21:32] <Breetai> Hi all, I did an safe-upgrade and on natty and when I rebooted, I no longer have the "ubuntu" menu and I have a 2nd set of applets over near the left hand side? Any idea whats wrong?
[21:34] <dupondje> lol
[21:34] <benzaldehyde> Breetai: unbuntu, menu? are you asking about the panels at the top and bottom the GUI?
[21:34] <dupondje> Breetai: just booted into Unity ? ;)
[21:34] <Breetai> Yes, just booted into unity
[21:37] <Guest5612> No I cant figure out how to get it back
[21:37] <Guest5612> haha
[21:37] <Breetai> Here is what it looks like (picture worth a thousand words) http://tinypic.com/r/2dra0xd/7
[21:38] <guntbert> how can I access the main menu (using unity)?
[21:38] <Guest5612> I have lost all control, Ithink the only thing I can do is create a launcher
[21:39] <Guest5612> so i am trying to figure out the compiz launcher is at
[21:40] <guntbert> Guest5612: use this launcher to start gnome-terminal, and another one for gnome-panel   (thats what I did)
[21:40] <xtcx> anyone know why I'm having continuing crashes(artifacts on the screen at random times), occasional lockups when I hit the maximize button, and occasionally the system locks up at gdm(in all lock ups I can still move the cursors)
[21:41] <Breetai> I am sure there is some way to delete the second set of indicator applets
[21:42] <Guest5612> use what launcher
[21:42] <Volkodav> compiz is a memory hog now huh ?
[21:42] <guntbert> Guest5612: you said you can only create a launcher....
[21:42] <Guest5612> yeah
[21:43] <Guest5612> so what I will need to do is either start compiz or cairo-doock
[21:43] <rhalff_> hi I have not sound in tvtime, but yet I can see the device as input, and when i select it I see the indicators show there is sound produced, how can I route that input to my output sound ? (Shouldn't that happen automatically)
[21:44] <Breetai> hmmm, unity-2d works, only has 1 set of indicators, the button is there for the ubuntu logo, but no image on the button
[21:44] <guntbert> Guest5612: my idea was to first start a terminal and the the "classical" panel, when the launcher doesn't show
[21:45] <Guest5612> well to do that I would have to launch that
[21:45] <Guest5612> but it makes more sense to me to start the actual app instead
[21:45] <Guest5612> maybe I am using the term "launchcer" wrong
[21:47] <Guest5612> would anyone know the path to start compiz
[21:48] <guntbert> Guest5612: /usr/bin/compiz
[21:49] <delac> Guest5612: can you star gconf-editor?
[21:49] <delac> start*
[21:54] <graingert> when are 0px borders coming back?
[21:58] <Guest5612> yeah I got it
[21:58] <Guest5612> I just made a launcher for cairo-dock and from there started compiz
[21:59] <Guest5612> I think there is not enough options for Unity
[22:00] <Guest5612> I dont mind the bar on the left but I think that the one on the top is the one that bugs me
[22:01] <delac> Guest5612: unfortunately there is really no options for the top panel
[22:01] <delac> Guest5612: I gues they might introduce some at some point, but there wont be many of them
[22:31] <dupondje> Somebody around that can help me with a XFS & 4k disks question ? :)
[22:37] <lizard_2k1> who know why system ask me install 0.8.2-2-1mint3 instead 0.8.2-2ubuntu21 ?
[23:01] <ubuntuguy> I made a bootable usb for ubuntu 11.04 using the disk partition thingy on ubuntu 10.10, and I freed up some space, so I used it yesterday and all my changes from yesterday are still here, I just wanted to know where everything was saving
[23:02] <lizard_2k1> /home/user_name
[23:04] <ubuntuguy> lizard, it's saving in my homefolder?
[23:04] <lizard_2k1> here saving all your settings
[23:04] <ZzDead> Anyone having issues with firefox sorta... forcing its way as default browser when chrome is set as the default?
[23:04] <ubuntuguy> I can't even get chrome to install
[23:05] <ubuntuguy> I just hate how the firefox global menu bar disappearances
[23:05] <ubuntuguy> and stuff
[23:05] <ZzDead> Really? I think i just added the ppa for it.
[23:05] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I tried to install through software center
[23:05] <ubuntuguy> and got some bull error
[23:06] <ubuntuguy> I'm sure they'll work it out by final release
[23:07] <ubuntuguy> But so far, I'm loving unity
[23:07] <ubuntuguy> Glad I no longer have to use docky
[23:07] <ubuntuguy> xD
[23:07] <gordonjcp> I need to find what the proper terminology is for the things in the top bar
[23:07] <ubuntuguy> Another cool thing is that my trackpad isn't multi touch but I can two finger scroll
[23:07] <ubuntuguy> xD
[23:08] <gordonjcp> and I need to find out how to add stuff to the top bar
[23:09] <gordonjcp> I've lost my weather applet and the volume control is broken
[23:09] <ubuntuguy> I didn't isntall ubuntu 11.04 yet, running live cd
[23:09] <ubuntuguy> It';s not stable enough
[23:10] <ubuntuguy> firefox won't even open up for me
[23:10] <ubuntuguy> :l
[23:10] <ubuntuguy> nvm, just got it
[23:10] <ubuntuguy> ha
[23:11] <ubuntuguy> new software center owns all
[23:11] <ubuntuguy> :][
[23:14] <ubuntuguy> Anyone else enjoyign ubuntu 11.04?
[23:14] <ubuntuguy> enjoying
[23:23] <jiohdi> I am enjoying that 11.04 allows me to use docky in icewm
[23:23] <jiohdi> something not really possible on 10.10
[23:23] <ubuntuguy> Why use docky when you have the panel?
[23:23] <ubuntuguy> and what's icewm?
[23:23] <jiohdi> docky with icewm makes a very light set up
[23:24] <jiohdi> icewm is about the lightest desktop manager you can find outside of plain terminals
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> Oh
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> what else do you enjoy
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> I also love the global menu's
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> :D
[23:24] <jiohdi> just seems to have fixed things that were not working properly in 10.10
[23:25] <ubuntuguy> such as
[23:25] <jiohdi> global menus are part of a desktop
[23:25] <jiohdi> docky is the big one for me as I like it
[23:25] <ubuntuguy> I use docky in 10.10, but won't be using it in 11.04
[23:25] <jiohdi> can't think of anything specific off hand at the moment
[23:25] <jiohdi> are you using unity?
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> yeah
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> for 11.04
[23:26] <jiohdi> unity would not load for me, dont know why
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> aww
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> it's a bug
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> but unity is quite nice
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> I love change
[23:27] <jiohdi> I tried unity before did not love it
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> :O
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> Hey
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> do you think I should do a fresh install
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> or should I wait
[23:27] <jiohdi> was very restrictive and did not allow for much playing around
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> until
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> 11.10
[23:27] <ubuntuguy> With compiz, you could do quite a bit of editing
[23:27] <jiohdi> if you are using beta now, it will update gradually to the full install
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> I'm using live cd
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> Beta= unstable
[23:28] <jiohdi> I am using beta, its fine
[23:28] <jiohdi> so far
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> live usb
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> well
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> ubuntu software center messes up on me
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> quite often
[23:28] <ubuntuguy> etc
[23:28] <jiohdi> the only issue I have noticed so far is flash crashes a lot in firefox4
[23:28] <jiohdi> works fine in opera
[23:29] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[23:29] <ubuntuguy> same
[23:29] <ubuntuguy> firefox messes up a lot for me
[23:29] <jiohdi> oddly firefox4 in 10.10 seems to be more stable
[23:30] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[23:30] <ubuntuguy> but I'm a global chrome
[23:30] <ubuntuguy> type of guy
[23:30] <jiohdi> I like chrome over firefox, but I like Opera better than both
[23:30] <ubuntuguy> I didn't like opera
[23:31] <jiohdi> version 11 is ok
[23:31] <jiohdi> what did you not like?
[23:31] <ubuntuguy> Idk, just prefered google chrome, as I'm using a netbook
[23:31] <jiohdi> I am using a net top
[23:31] <ubuntuguy> 11.04 is perfect for my netbook
[23:31] <ubuntuguy> :O
[23:31] <ubuntuguy> such weird names
[23:31] <ubuntuguy> xD
[23:32] <ubuntuguy> I'm so glad I switched to ubuntu from windows though
[23:32] <ubuntuguy> although windows 7 is awesome
[23:32] <jiohdi> nettops are like netbooks minus the screen and keyboard, which are usb plugged in
[23:32] <ubuntuguy> yeah, ik
[23:32] <ubuntuguy> I'm netbook is beast though
[23:32] <ubuntuguy> could play minecraft on normal
[23:32] <ubuntuguy> range
[23:33] <jiohdi> I did not like vista and windows 7 is not impressing me either
[23:33] <ubuntuguy> and little lag
[23:33] <ubuntuguy> windows 7 doesn't impress, but it gets the job done
[23:33] <jiohdi> my room mate has w7 on her computer
[23:33] <ubuntuguy> it's alright
[23:33] <ubuntuguy> I love the interface
[23:33] <jiohdi> she is hard core AOL user and will not switch to linux
[23:34] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:34] <ubuntuguy> linux is so simple
[23:34] <ubuntuguy> espically ubuntu
[23:34] <jiohdi> if it ran AOL I could likely convince her... but she is an old dog and refuses to learn new tricks
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> Which college?
[23:35] <jiohdi> ?
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> nvm
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:35] <jiohdi> I am 50 and she is 66
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> aww
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> couldn't of guessed
[23:35] <ubuntuguy> xD
[23:36] <jiohdi> some us old ones like new things :)
[23:36] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, know a lot lol
[23:36] <ubuntuguy> thing I love about windows 7
[23:36] <ubuntuguy> is it's speed
[23:36] <ubuntuguy> compared to vista
[23:36] <ubuntuguy> Wonder how windows 8 will come out
[23:37] <jiohdi> she has a faster machine so its hard for me to gauge
[23:37] <ubuntuguy> Hey, what do you think about macs?
[23:37] <jiohdi> too expensive
[23:37] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[23:37] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:37] <ubuntuguy> way to expensive
[23:37] <jiohdi> now that they are using intel, they are just an expensive version of linux
[23:38] <jiohdi> why buy the pig for a little bit of sausage
[23:38] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[23:38] <ubuntuguy> so true
[23:39] <ubuntuguy> soooo true
[23:39] <jiohdi> we cheap sicilians like free
[23:39] <ubuntuguy> I personally prefer linux
[23:39] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I love ubuntu
[23:39] <jiohdi> I am using ubuntu on 2 machines and mint on another
[23:39] <jiohdi> mint is basically ubuntu too
[23:40] <ubuntuguy> mint
[23:40] <ubuntuguy> hm
[23:40] <ubuntuguy> heard of it
[23:40] <gordonjcp> jiohdi: Mac OSX is more like FreeBSD than Linux
[23:40] <jiohdi> its ubuntu with more restricted stuff and non-free stuff
[23:40] <gordonjcp> jiohdi: be careful of that, it can bite you ;-)
[23:41] <jiohdi> gordonjcp, potatoe tuber
[23:41] <jiohdi> bite how?
[23:41] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:41] <gordonjcp> jiohdi: well, you get used to doing things the Linux way, and then use OSX
[23:41] <ubuntuguy> freebsd looked ugly
[23:41] <gordonjcp> now you've got to get used to the BSD way
[23:41] <gordonjcp> ... except
[23:42] <jiohdi> I could never get BSD to work on any of my machines
[23:42] <gordonjcp> if you use FreeBSD and you switch to Mac OSX it's actually *worse*
[23:42] <gordonjcp> because then the differences are so small but important
[23:43] <ubuntuguy> Can someone explain freebsd to me
[23:43] <ubuntuguy> why isn't it a linux operating system
[23:43] <ubuntuguy> ?
[23:43] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: why isn't Windows a Linux operating system?
[23:43] <jiohdi> freebsd is another unix like system, but different from both linux and mac
[23:43] <ubuntuguy> Well, that's not what I meant
[23:43] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: ... because it's totally bloody different
[23:43] <ubuntuguy> I meant like
[23:44] <jiohdi> I have been told that bsd is more stable and secure than linux, but since it will not work for me, I cannot tell
[23:44] <ubuntuguy> Since it's not a linux operating system, they have even less software present for it's users
[23:44] <jiohdi> bsd can use a lot of linux packages without much fuss
[23:44] <ubuntuguy> AW
[23:44] <ubuntuguy> ok
[23:45] <jiohdi> if you can make it work
[23:46] <ubuntuguy> is freebsd user friendly?
[23:46] <jiohdi> less than ubuntu more than unix
[23:46] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: unixy OSes tend to be fairly easy to port between
[23:46] <gordonjcp> but FreeBSD is completely different to Linux
[23:47] <jiohdi> not so different, it can use gnome and kde
[23:47] <ubuntuguy> Watching reviews now
[23:47] <ubuntuguy> May try it in virtual machine
[23:47] <ubuntuguy> xD
[23:48] <ubuntuguy> I see that it uses gnome
[23:49] <jiohdi> probably a newbie to both linux and bsd would be hard pressed to see much difference
[23:49] <ubuntuguy> :O
[23:50] <jiohdi> more experienced users would be the ones who would notice the differences right away
[23:50] <ubuntuguy> I may try it
[23:50] <ubuntuguy> because I'm boreed
[23:50] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:51] <jiohdi> I was bored last year... installed different versions of linux for weeks :)
[23:51] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:51] <jiohdi> was using an old compaq with 256 ram to see which versions would work best
[23:51] <ubuntuguy> That most of been a fun experiment
[23:51] <ubuntuguy> Which one won?
[23:51] <jiohdi> icewm
[23:52] <jiohdi> on ubuntu
[23:52] <jiohdi> or debian
[23:52] <jiohdi> debian was easier to install
[23:52] <jiohdi> I liked puppy linux a lot but it was very confusing to me when it came to finding packages
[23:53] <jiohdi> hardly anything worked straight forwards
[23:53] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I hear of puppy
[23:53] <ubuntuguy> heard*\
[23:53] <jiohdi> quirky was pretty kewl too
[23:53] <ubuntuguy> I only tried ubuntu
[23:53] <jiohdi> but I kept retreating back to either icewm or ldxe
[23:53] <ubuntuguy> and don't plan on leaving it
[23:54] <jiohdi> the hackers tell me that ubuntu is training wheels
[23:55] <ubuntuguy> I don't get it
[23:55] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:55] <jiohdi> but then again, they see the matrix without imaging screens.... just reading the raw code :)
[23:55] <rww> If you care about what other people think of your distro choice, you'll be forever changing distros.
[23:55] <jiohdi> they use things like fluxbox and crunchbox
[23:55] <rww> Somebody dislikes every distro ;P
[23:56] <ubuntuguy> Hackers?
[23:56] <jiohdi> people who are hard core
[23:56] <rww> And for any given distro and any given person criticizing it, there is someone smarter than that person using that distro :)
[23:56] <jiohdi> most of us use the frontend of computers, they use the backends
[23:57] <jiohdi> they make the front ends for us
[23:57] <jiohdi> whom they take pitty upon
[23:57] <ubuntuguy> brb
[23:58] <ubuntuguy> I just discovered pc-bsd
[23:58] <ubuntuguy> lol
[23:58] <jiohdi> bsd has several flavor
[23:58] <jiohdi> s
[23:59]  * IdleOne is slightly insulted and being pitied by the hackers who read the matrix
[23:59] <rww> Anyways, I think we might be straying into #ubuntu-offtopic territory.
[23:59] <jiohdi> might be.... hah! :)
[23:59] <IdleOne> right
[23:59] <jiohdi> been