[00:09] i tried fedora 15 with gnome3 and it looks fine [00:10] how can i listen to music on m y windows partition from the live cd? === ubuntu is now known as skpl [00:10] Earluer today I aksed about a problem I have where the screen is mostly black and slowly comes back to life after inactivity when I click the mouse or keyboard. I have to move a program window around to get the screen working again. It looks like this: http://i54.tinypic.com/30d9q1h.jpg [00:11] It does not happen when compiz is disabled, but it does happen under classic gnome with compiz. [00:12] and under Unity of course [00:44] hello guys, ihave the following problem: after updateing last week on my ideapad u350 laptop, keyboard and mouse wont work, on gdm login screen i can not type or move the mouse at all, can anyone pls help? [00:46] dan___, does it crash as soon as you move the mouse? [00:47] no [00:47] i cant move the mouse at all [00:47] when i plugin an usb mouse it works tho [00:47] but i have to use nscreen keyboard ;) [00:48] there was a problem after an update early last week with synaptic touch pads. if you moved the mouse on the gdm screen, or even after logging in x crashed, but this doesn't sound like that problem then. [00:49] when i login [00:49] in the "systray" or whatever its called [00:49] i have a touchscreen icon with a stop symbol in it [00:49] dan___, do you know what kind of touchpad it is? Synaptic? [00:50] i think so [00:50] how do i start the onscreen keyboard? [00:50] when i am logged in? [00:50] dan___, never done it, sorry [00:51] I'm on a laptop and have never used an on screen keyboard at all. [00:54] quicksynergy saves the day [00:55] lets run an update and see what happens [00:56] dan___, there's been two synaptic updates lately. the keyboard is another story though. [00:56] hopefully an updte will fix it [00:56] last update went a bit wrong [00:56] some icons missing aswell [00:56] yea, it's difficult when bugs in a development version kills mouse and/or keyboard [00:58] weird is [00:58] that i got logged in withunity [00:59] instead of normal desktop [00:59] not nice [01:01] dan___, gotten used to unity. works for me it seems. [01:02] i dont like it [01:02] but to be honest, i havent tried it out for more than 5 minutes [01:02] no? The lack of taskbar irked me a little to begin with. Now I don't care [01:02] but as long as i can switch to whatever i want, i dont mind [01:02] true [01:03] well i dont like to have the menu of windows in the bar like on the macos [01:03] love it! [01:03] if i wnated a macos, i would install one [01:03] annoys the hell out of me [01:03] I've always used simple desktops. used fluxbox/blackbox for a long time. [01:03] but again, as long as i can switch to whatever i want its fine and i dont have to deal with it [01:03] i used fluxbox a long time, rocked back then :) [01:03] man this os has icons on the desktop [01:03] windows has icons on the desktop [01:04] if i wanted windows I'd install windows [01:04] torchie, If I wanted Windows I would wonder what has happened to me :) [01:04] its a little more than that torchie and oyu know that [01:05] statrs with click behavour changed recently, over icons on the other side of the window right tll the wallpaper [01:05] anyhow i dont have to use it that way, so dont care that much, click behaviour is irritating tho [01:06] sooo [01:06] updating almost done, rebooting the laptop, wish me luck [01:06] I use Linux for work now, so it has to work. No natty on my work computer [01:06] good luck dan [01:09] hm needs to update again [01:09] ok [01:09] did the text console font change in natty? [01:09] i don't have the "default bios font" on tty1-6 anymore [01:11] same for me === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:18] how do you call the upper left element with the Ubuntu logo on Unity? [01:18] Ubuntu button? [01:19] so [01:19] rbeooting [01:20] dan___, good luck again [01:20] fschk [01:21] *wainting* :O [01:21] heurak [01:21] works again [01:21] dan___, cool! [01:22] * ceed^ likes when it works regardless of what it is [01:22] yeah [01:22] hehe [01:22] works works for me :) [01:25] http://pr09studio.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-10-4-wallpaper-pack-156483358 [01:27] sorry posted that in the wrong forum === ubuntu is now known as skpl [01:39] "acpi is not installed" [01:39] should I be worried [02:22] torchie: acpi is just a commandline tool that gather information, you can install it with `sudo apt-get install acpi`. I typically use it to check my cpu temp `acpi -t` [02:24] So i have this weird issue. When compiz crashes it rearranges all the desktops its so aggrevating [02:52] any chance of getting unity to run on my Acer laptop? [02:54] yes. [02:55] Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [02:55] tarvid: have you tried a live CD yet? [02:56] running Natty [02:56] On boot, says I don't have the hardware to run Unity [03:00] touchpad doesn't work on MacBook Air 11" [03:00] any idea? [03:01] the computer isn't on [03:33] Hi! Can I trust in gnome3-team ppa security? [03:37] no [03:38] considering PPAs should never be considered "safe" [03:38] They even tell you that when adding said PPA [03:51] hey, guys [03:51] hi [03:52] bazhang: OMG! I see you again [03:53] you are in channel #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 simultanously [03:53] and many others as well ajin [03:53] look like unity is suck,,,, [03:55] rizanoar: why [03:55] i'm still love gnome DE than unity [03:55] rizanoar: why did you say so? [03:56] its my own opinion [03:56] have you been using it? [03:56] yes [03:56] :-D [03:57] i just learned that logic that if i read about some negative opinions about ubuntu unity, that won't count [03:58] so [03:58] . [03:58] this logic presumes that any others' opinion is booshit! [03:58] what a GREAT logic [03:58] ajin, watch the language. [03:59] hahah,,, [04:03] * psusi watches the language... yep, still English ;) [04:04] ***psusi: sorry, what do you mean by "still English"? [04:05] ajin, that we're speaking English... was a joke... "watch the language"... well, ok... I watched it and it looks like English to me... [04:05] hahaha [04:05] psusi: ok [04:06] watch the language also makes sense [04:06] * psusi wonders if the language is going to do something unexpected soon and watches closely to see if he starts speaking swaheli or something [04:06] since the language here is printed [04:07] @psusi: >:-) [04:11] my HD has a load cycle problem on ubuntu battery mode [04:12] ajin, what do you mean? [04:12] so i've been wondering whether should i keep using ubuntu [04:13] its just ACPI problem [04:13] well, my HITACHI hard drive's load & unload cycle growing too fast [04:13] under ubuntu [04:14] technically it's got nothing to do with ACPI... how fast is too fast? [04:14] about 4-5 times per minute [04:15] under battery mode [04:15] you realize that most laptop hard disks are designed to handle several hundred thousand cycles right? [04:15] at a minimum [04:16] yes, designed about 600,000 cycles life [04:16] also it is the drive that decides it should unload its head, so if it's choosing to do that, the manufacturer thinks it's safe [04:17] ok, thanks [04:18] i think i should do some changes to the HD arguments once HITACHI release the new version of feature tool [04:58] ANyone here a unity developer? [04:59] Anyone know which new features will be added to ubuntu 11.04? [04:59] currently on the beta [05:47] hi... anyway to reset the interface in natty to default... been running since alpha and want everything to look like a fresh install [05:52] question/problem: I have no "audio input" device under sound preferences, what can I do? [05:55] you can't install i386 applications on x86_64? [06:09] Hi, has anyone here had problems with running DrRacket (a Scheme IDE) under Unity? [06:09] It seems to run fine under vanilla GNOME (i.e., Natty's ‘Classic’ mode), but doesn't work when I enable the Unity plug-in in Compiz. [06:57] Anyone here a unity developer? [07:13] hey does anyone know why ls comand doesent work in terminal [07:15] randal: it should, try reinstalling coreutils [07:15] ripps, ill try tha [07:15] that* [07:17] ripps, thanks works now [07:18] :D [07:19] hey im having problems with this command to etract a file thats in my home folder [07:19] ripps, hey im having problems with this command to etract a file thats in my home folder [07:19] ripps randal@randal-1008HA:~$ tar jxf firefox-4.0tar.bz2 -C $HOME [07:21] randal: what kind of error does it give? [07:22] ripps tar (child): firefox-4.0tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory [07:22] tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now [07:23] when installing third party .debs on natty through the software centre, i'm always getting "package is of bad quality" [07:23] randal: maybe you misstyped. Most files end with *.tar.bz2, your file is missing a . between the 0 and tar [07:23] ripps oh crap i missed that dot lol [07:23] you can use the tab key to autocomplete names in the commandline [07:23] I typcally never type more than 4 keys of a files name [07:23] ripps i never new that thanks [07:26] ripps im trying to install firefox 4 but not doing so well do you know how? [07:26] randal: it's already installed in natty. You don't need to worry about it. [07:27] ripps i want the newest one i thought it had 3.6 on here [07:28] ripps, i just checked its firefox 4 doh lol [07:28] randal: if your using Ubuntu 11.04 beta, than firefox 4.0~rc2 should be installed [07:28] well thanks anyways [07:28] if you want newer firefox builds, checkout #ubuntu-mozilla for how to install the latest firefox builds from PP [07:28] *PPA [07:29] i finally found the solution to my unity problems [07:29] makes me feel stupid though... [07:29] ripps, do you know how to get the old menu system back (top left of screen [07:30] when I try to run the 11.04 installer, it gives "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141" [07:30] randal, using ubuntu classic session? [07:30] the only references to this I can find are supposedly fixed bugs [07:30] wolter, i am but its still not the same its like a mac mixed in witch i think is crap you know when you open programs you and file edit and stuff but now its on the top bar i hate it [07:30] randal: logout, than when your at the login screen, select your account. At the bottom of the screen will be a session menu. Select Ubuntu Classic [07:31] randal, then you have the global menu applet installed i'd say [07:31] wolter im confused [07:31] randal: I think you have to remove indicator-appmenu and appmenu-gtk. [07:32] ripps ill try that [07:32] Although, that might break your desktop, so be weary [07:33] ripps im testing out im fine if it brakes if i disapear you know i broke lit :p [07:33] randal: just make sure you have an ubuntu livecd so you can reinstll if things go wrong [07:33] ripps, ya i got one [07:34] it has a ! mark in the sysnapic package manager its probly going to brake lol [07:36] ripps is there a reload command for gnome to see if it changed anything [07:36] randal: just login and logut [07:36] im lazy ok [07:36] randal, perhaps not uninstall it, but remove from applet.. can you? [07:37] whoa! [07:37] rhythmbox just took down the whole system maaaan [07:37] wolter how would i try that [07:37] wolter: the appmenu is an indicator, so I think it needs to be uninstalled to be removed. Although I could be wrong [07:37] and now banshee's acting funny [07:38] ripps, randal: I was using globalmenu, wasn't very aware of appmenu [07:38] should I be worried if the error dialog calls the app "Banshee.exe" [07:38] but now I removed globalmenu, and have added the appmenu to the panel. it is removable with a right click [07:38] wolter ripps so should i just uninstall and hope for the best [07:38] torchie, nah... its because Banshee is coded in Mono C# [07:38] which defaults to naming executables .exe [07:38] oh ok [07:39] randal, if I were you, I would try to remove with right click [07:39] yeah before I was using rhythmbox but finally got the restricted codecs on [07:39] ok [07:39] but I've been playing files off a corrupt microSD, heh [07:39] brb then [07:39] wolter: but don't you still need to change a variable in gtk, otherwise the windows will still be missing there file menus [07:39] *their [07:39] ripps, yeah, i'm trying to find it hehe [07:41] oh god now firefox isn't starting [07:41] I think I just destroyed everything somehow [07:42] lol [07:43] wolter ripps ok it worked but now on top it says no indicators do you know how i could revert it back to the old one form 10.10 (applications system places) [07:44] randal: right click the panel and select add applet [07:45] I don't remember what the applet was called. Something like System Menu Custom or something [07:45] ripps lol i just relized you could do that that means i didnt need to uninstalled it but it worked still [07:45] You'll have to remove the other main menu applet afterwards [07:46] ripps ya i got it to how i like and it works thanks [07:46] both my ethernet controlleres *mysteriously* disappeared in a over night update [07:46] ripps i hate the new design of ubuntu what do you think? [07:47] randal: it's kinda hard to get used to. I don't mind the dock that much. But yeah, I'd prefer no top panel whatsoever. I used a custom wingpanel in Maverick instead of gnome-panel [07:48] ripps i see i just like the classic 2 bars one on top and one on bottom and non of this compact crap [07:48] do you think natty hates me ? [07:48] i was expecting apparmor [07:49] ripps i also miss the old human look i know i can still get it but its difficult [07:49] ripps well thanks for your help i have to go now [07:49] personally, I always hated human and ubuntu's themes in general. I like my theme's cold and dark. So I use Elegant-Gnome. Looks pretty good in Unity too [07:50] ripps i often use my own themes but after so many year with the od human i started to like it [07:51] ripps whats unity [07:51] I'm just not that fond of warm color schemes [07:52] randal: Unity is the default interface for Natty. It's basically a complex plugin for compiz, the opengl compoisitor [07:52] The panel, dash, and dock are all unity [07:52] thats the defalt on ubuntu right? [07:52] !unity [07:52] Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity [07:52] randal: correct [07:53] randal, once you remove the indicator appmenu from the panel, you should be able to (and even after the removal) add the main menu applet [07:53] randal, oh i saw you got set up, great [07:54] wolter, ya its working good [07:54] ripps im going to check out Elegant-Gnome see what its like did you get it from gnome-look [07:55] ripps, unity is the big failure brought to 11.04 [07:55] yes, it also has a PPA with configuration/custumization program [07:56] wolter: I think the dock has potential, but everything is still way too buggy and the file menu panel is just not that intuitive. [07:56] ya i hate just more crap to remove when i upgrade lol [07:56] is Elegant-Gnome hard to install it looks awsome [07:56] ripps, yeah, it does have a lot of potential, but I think they'd be better off with a more polished docky! [07:56] which is what unity was somewhat intended to be.. [07:57] ripps, is Elegant-Gnome hard to install it looks awsome [07:57] wolter: technically, it is. The Unity dock was written by the the core docky developer [07:57] ripps, yeah but I say so because I find docky so much more functional... it does everything unity intends and more (with the helpers/applets) [07:57] But it's very different, becuase it was written as a compiz extension, not an independent program. So I say give it few releases. [07:58] ripps, and its a lot more dynamic, you can put it where you want to, use it as a panel.. have animations for it.. [07:58] ripps, yeah at first I was very excited with unity but all these bugs and the obligation to have the panel to the left right didn't make me so happy [07:59] Ubuntu's mistake is using these so early after conception. I would have given it another release cycle to perfect it's features before trying to integrate it into the operating system [07:59] yeah [07:59] ripps wolter ya i think they should of just made it an option to use it not make a default [08:00] is anyone in here an op? [08:00] i heard they may not release natty with it as default [08:00] i think [08:00] urgodfather, not urgodfather [08:00] guys, there is no way right now to install v11 with WUBI? [08:00] hi [08:00] lmao [08:00] Of course, this isn't an LTS release, so I suppose they wanted this think tested up the whazoo before they can feel confident for 12.04 LTS. Then they can focus the next 3 release after that to hopefully replace X with Wayland [08:01] add1 11.04? [08:01] try the new daily build [08:01] ripps, whats wayland [08:01] wolter, yes. [08:01] i have a question [08:01] ripps, well, I am so excited for wayland.. too bad its far ahead [08:01] PAPALOOO, general irc rule: just ask [08:02] addi, hm, woulnd't know, have you googled it? [08:02] i dont know [08:02] randal: next generation desktop server that will replace the X display server that's been used by Linux for decades [08:02] THe difference between 11.04 10.10 10 04 [08:02] has OpenGL and Kernel Mode Setting in it's core [08:02] wolter, yes, doing that now. noticed Ubuntu's website says there is a bug so it's not recommended.. [08:02] PAPALOOO, they are different releases.. have different features and different versions of packages [08:02] basically... [08:03] ok and what is the best for my new pc [08:03] ripps interesting how do you install Elegant Gnome btw [08:03] can an +op please /msg [08:03] men [08:03] me* [08:03] addi, yeah the beta is not a good decision... i downloaded and am using the classic desktop because the new one was so buggy [08:03] PAPALOOO, if its new, I bet 10.10 its the best choice [08:03] randal: easist method. Install the elegant-gnome ppa and install it's package. Just find the Elegant-Gnome page on gnome-look for instructions [08:04] hmmm, okay, maybe I'll stay away for now.. [08:04] well, I'd say 10.10 is the best choice anyway [08:04] but 10.10 only one year support :( [08:04] ripps how do you install a ppa [08:04] ripps, is that in sysnapic package manager [08:04] PAPALOOO, 11.04 will be released in 20 days [08:04] randal, thats no longer used, you can use the software center > software sources [08:05] wolter, realy i always use that [08:05] I'm keeping Unity, I can deal with the bugs, and my desktop isn't even my primary computer anymore. I spend most of my computing time with my ChromeOS cr-48 from Google, and using my desktop as a web server with apache. [08:05] randal, but the best way (in my opinion) is open up a terminal and run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:(ppa address) [08:05] ripps, haha i don't get the point in chrome os [08:06] wolter: it's chrome, as the os. what's not to get. [08:06] wolter well if you give me the exct code ill do that :) [08:06] ripps, why not use an operating system, and not just a browsing system? [08:06] randal, it depends on what ppa you wish to add... [08:07] elegant gnome i think [08:07] I enabled dev-mode (rooted) and it's basically a lightweight linux system. I can ssh into my desktop whenever I want. And use apache web apps to control and stream my music downloads and torrents. [08:07] randal: details on how to install the ppa on the elegant-gnome page on gnome-look.org [08:07] randal, and is there a ppa? [08:07] wolter: yes, I'm the one that told him about [08:08] Although... now that I think about it, it probably doesn't have a package for natty. [08:09] the appeal is in the boot times apparently [08:09] i figured it out [08:09] but how often do people reboot [08:09] wolter: I spend most of my time just cruising the internet with chromium. Using my cr-48 isn't much different, except I can do while laying on the couch [08:10] chrome os's software design choices don't show in the cr-48's hardware design [08:10] torchie, yeah i thought about that too [08:10] I only ever really use my desktop when I want to watch some videos (cr-48 hardware is too crappy for it) [08:10] the macbook air is thinner, lighter, smaller and boots quick as hell despite running a full operating system [08:11] though from advertisements they claim chrome os' feature is to make computers completely disposable [08:11] ‎i want remove ASP.NET page from content type. is there any way? http://ubuntuone.com/p/lr5/ [08:11] I hear the cr-48 is a dream when you hack it to run ubuntu, but I'm a pilot tester for google. It feels kinda wrong to not be testing it. [08:11] since everything is in the cloud you can just throw your cr-48 off a cliff and get to work by logging into another one [08:12] but google apps don't save state... [08:12] do they? [08:12] torchie: yes, I've completly wiped the cr-48's harddrive serveral times, and after signing your account back up, it's like you nothing ever happend [08:13] do all the tabs get restored as in last session? [08:13] torchie: I don't remember, that might be a local setting. But it can easily be resolved with an extension that saves you tabs as bookmarks. [08:14] are your extensions restored? [08:14] I think session saver does that [08:14] torchie: yes. apps/extensions/passwords/settings are all saved in the cloud [08:15] and bookmarks of course [08:15] in fact alot of extensions use bookmarks to save there settings so that they aren't lost [08:18] the boot time on th cr-48 is quick, but really, I only ever reboot when I'm fixing something I messed with in the root terminal or when a new update as been installed (about once a week in dev-channel). What's great is the suspend/resume time. It's practically instantaneous [08:20] still prefer a normal computer [08:21] I didn't mind much, since I was pretty much a terminal junky to begin with. and since the cr-48 comes with ssh, even without rooting. I can't access my irc and work on my packages and projects on the cr-48 [08:21] *can access [08:22] does anyone know how to fix sound in chatzilla [08:24] anyone? [08:25] doesn't chatzilla have an irc channel? you might get some answers there [08:26] ripps, oh well then i guess that makes a point haha [08:26] i'm definitely a gui guy [08:26] Who will be using Unity in Natty [08:26] ey guys - using 11.04 and "host localhost" returns 1 correct entry and 2 host not found. I've updated nsswitch so 'hosts' is just files and dns. Any idea where host is looking? [08:26] wolter, i googled [08:27] no luck [08:27] wolter: actually, I'm looking forward to the gtk3 html5 backend. Then I can probably run gtk apps in the browser. [08:27] ripps, wow, didn't know about that! [08:27] urgodfather, perhaps it has something to do with alsa and dvsp and pulseaudio [08:27] but I can always run normal desktop apps on the cr-48 using ssh X11 forwarding [08:28] try installing an app called padsp [08:28] and then running, in the terminal padsp chatzilla [08:28] ripps, oh but that must be so slow [08:28] or not? [08:29] wolter: depends on the app. I commonly use x11 forwarded gmpc (mpd client) to control my streaming music. [08:29] since gmpc doesn't do alot of redrawing, it works like it was an application i was running locally [08:30] i had to do seamonkey instead [08:30] don't try to open a browser though. that'll just kill the connection [08:30] said chatzilla isnt found [08:30] okay, im off to watch some tv shows i downloaded [08:30] ttl [08:31] kthanxbye [08:31] jk haha [08:32] urgodfather, well i was supposing chatzilla was an app on its own, and that a binary called chatzilla was in the $PATH [08:32] but if i remember well, it was a plugin right? [08:33] that doesn't work for me [08:33] gmpc [08:34] :x [08:34] wolter, still no luck [08:34] finding hp dv6000 bugs dating as far back as 2007 [08:35] i even asked in #chatzilla [08:35] urgodfather, you run chatzilla from firefox? [08:35] think i'm just gonna keep this on the charger and never reboot and run ubuntu classic forever === PAPALOOO is now known as LarsTorben [08:35] they said it was nsISound::beep() not working. [08:35] seamonkey [08:35] urgodfather, and does sound work on seamonkey in general? [08:35] i guess [08:35] dunno [08:35] i only use seamonkey for chat silla [08:36] chatzilla* [08:36] urgodfather, could you test sound in any other way? If sound in seamonkey doesn't work, maybe running padsp seamonkey would do the job [08:37] i did padsp seamonkey [08:37] dont know what was supposed to happen but nothing did [08:37] anyone ever trust libreoffice with a graph in a docx [08:37] * torchie fingercross [08:38] both my ethernet controlleres *mysteriously* disappeared in a over night update [08:38] torchie, what do you mean? [08:38] how do i fix that ? [08:38] well I've just been having troubles with this table alone [08:38] fedora ? [08:39] every time I open this document the table changes its width to something that goes beyond the margins of the paper [08:39] and I have to keep going into table settings and set it to 100% relative [08:40] torchie, oh yeah, it happens to me too :s [08:41] oy === wolter is now known as wolter|away [08:41] would love to try lotus symphony but no i386 on x64! [08:42] Hi, I’m having problems with the proprietary nvidia drivers. [08:42] according to dmesg, the driver claims my gpu is not supported whereas the readme says it should be [08:43] its a 8600m GT, so it should really be supported by nvidia-current [08:44] Swatinem, it is supported, i have that one same gpu :O anyway, iam away now [08:45] but the dmesg output claims otherwise [08:45] I have no idea what to try next [08:46] i’ve already tried experimental nouveau but that didn’t work either === LarsTorben is now known as LarsTorben^away === LarsTorben^away is now known as LarsTorben^afk [09:23]